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kreplach
01-29-2012, 00:09
Does anyone know if Glock is planning to produce a .45 caliber pistol in a compact size (similar to a G19). The G21 is full size, the G30 is subcompact, and there seems to be a place for a G19size chambered in .45.

I know I would by one for carry purposes as long as it wasn't as heavy as the G21.

Eric2340
01-29-2012, 00:11
Yes, the G36 if you're not familiar.

Single stack .45, G19 sized, 6 round mag.


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DannyR
01-29-2012, 00:49
What is compact? Check out the specs at www.teamglock.com

SCSU74
01-29-2012, 00:52
G30 and G19 are same size G30 is a bit wider is all


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Priapus
01-29-2012, 00:54
:tongueout:G30 and G19 are same size G30 is a bit wider is all


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I thought the g30 was the same size as the 26, with two finger grooves? Whereas the 19 has 3 grooves.

cowboy1964
01-29-2012, 01:02
The G38 is the G19 sized 45. 45 GAP. Don't hold your breath waiting for such a model in ACP.

WASR10
01-29-2012, 01:16
The 36 is not 19 comparable. The 38 GAP is not ACP. When or IF Glock comes out with a 29/23 .45 ACP model... I will buy two.

Bruce M
01-29-2012, 06:50
As said the G19 and the G30 are fairly similar in size and the G36 is in the same general area but obviously thinner than the G30. To me the G39 is a bit closer to subcompact size when the subcompacts include the G26. My guess is that a Glock in between the sizes of the G30 and the G21 is going to be after the carbine and probably even after the single stack 9 and the full size single stack .45.

dudel
01-29-2012, 06:59
That would be the G38 or G39

crash_gsxr750
01-29-2012, 07:04
I always thought the G30 was a dr Jekyll and Hyde

With 10 round mag it's a compact, with a 9 round Mag its more towards subcompact

Quarter Tank
01-29-2012, 07:15
I really like the looks and feel of the G30sf with a 9 round mag.

Shadyscott69
01-29-2012, 07:20
The 36 is not 19 comparable. The 38 GAP is not ACP. When or IF Glock comes out with a 29/23 .45 ACP model... I will buy two.

You do know the 29 and the 30 are the same size, don't you?

Front Sight
01-29-2012, 07:31
It sounds to me that you should be looking at the the G38 .45GAP.

Texcowboy
01-29-2012, 07:43
G21, G30 and G36 pretty well cover the 45acp.

DannyR
01-29-2012, 07:45
OAL of a G21 is 8.23 inches

OAL of a G30 is 6.97 inches

That is a difference of only 1.26 inches

Would you really want a .45acp that was 0.63 inches longer than a G30?

By the way, a G19 has an OAL of 7.36 inches--slightly longer than a G30

hobbydad
01-29-2012, 08:02
G30 Gen4 with a G36 sized slide on it, right out of the box. Call it a G30T (thin). I'd buy a pair right now.

Quarter Tank
01-29-2012, 08:08
The 36 is not 19 comparable. The 38 GAP is not ACP. When or IF Glock comes out with a 29/23 .45 ACP model... I will buy two.

I think you meant to say 19?

glockin-45
01-29-2012, 08:11
Yes, the G36 if you're not familiar.

Single stack .45, G19 sized, 6 round mag.


.Yes, they have the G36. The G30 is compact not sub.

Eric2340
01-29-2012, 10:48
:tongueout:

I thought the g30 was the same size as the 26, with two finger grooves? Whereas the 19 has 3 grooves.

No, nowhere near the same size.

19 and 36 yes, 19 and the 30? Maybe, but the 30 is fatter, even the 30SF.


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hawgrider
01-29-2012, 11:15
No, nowhere near the same size.

19 and 36 yes, 19 and the 30? Maybe, but the 30 is fatter, even the 30SF.


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FATTER - wow I fat chcicks :rofl: and that 30 is fat.

hawgrider
01-29-2012, 11:15
No, nowhere near the same size.

19 and 36 yes, 19 and the 30? Maybe, but the 30 is fatter, even the 30SF.


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FATTER - wow I fat chicks :rofl: and that 30 is fat.

Quarter Tank
01-29-2012, 11:18
After I get my gen 4 21 I plan to buy a kahr pm45 for bug and cc.

tinman517
01-29-2012, 11:19
For me, the G30SF fills the role for a Glock .45acp compact.

SCSU74
01-29-2012, 11:25
Does anyone know if Glock is planning to produce a .45 caliber pistol in a compact size (similar to a G19). The G21 is full size, the G30 is subcompact, and there seems to be a place for a G19size chambered in .45.

I know I would by one for carry purposes as long as it wasn't as heavy as the G21.

I would just go into your lgs and hold them side by side (19/30) if you like the size of the 19 the 30 will do you fine. Fwiw I use the same crossbreed for both my 19/30



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WASR10
01-29-2012, 12:35
You do know the 29 and the 30 are the same size, don't you?

I think you meant to say 19?

Yeah that's supposed to be 19/23. typo

"Cold Dead Hands" !
01-29-2012, 12:44
G36 is your only choice in 45acp !
Great gun.
Only drawback is, only 6 rounds, and their is no longer or higher capacity magazines to carry as backup reload.

G27 or G33 gives you the most options.
3 different calibers to shoot with barrel or mag change, and all the bigger mags for backup.

Dave Nowlin
01-29-2012, 13:30
For those who think the 30 is bigger, what about if you put the 9 round mag in it? It then becomes shorter. The 10 round mag has a big floorplate which makes the gun taller. The sad part is that Glock has discontinued the 9 round mag as it didn't sell well. In fact the GAP floorplate people were developing a floorplate for the 9 round mag. This would give a similar feel to the G 27 with the GAP on it. The pinky finger would curl under the bottom of the floorplate. It was a nice package but they shelved the thought of getting a mold made to produce it since Glock has disscontinued the production of the 9 round mag. Another dumb move?

skynyrd1911
01-29-2012, 13:52
I would love to see Glock come out with a G17 size single stack .45 acp....thin like the G36................:wow:

dozer d8
01-29-2012, 14:52
The G38 is the G19 sized 45. 45 GAP. Don't hold your breath waiting for such a model in ACP.

Believe this is the size gun the OP and several other threads in the past are looking for in .45 ACP.
I own and like the Glock 30 but think a G38 similar sized gun in .45 ACP would give some of the other 45 models heavy competition in sales.
Not holding breath either.

moishlashen
01-29-2012, 15:16
Confusing thread. The G30 is more of a compact size. Not sure why Glock classifies it as a subcompact.


edit-and the G38 is the G19 equivalent.

mrsurfboard
01-29-2012, 15:56
It sounds to me that you should be looking at the the G38 .45GAP.

:rofl:

mrsurfboard
01-29-2012, 15:57
Confusing thread. The G30 is more of a compact size. Not sure why Glock classifies it as a subcompact.


Marketing.

jaysonL
01-29-2012, 16:04
:popcorn:

moishlashen
01-29-2012, 16:36
Marketing.


It might be marketing. Thing is you don't buy them online or sight unseen. Any perspective buyer will know its not a sub-c in a second after seeing one.

kreplach
01-29-2012, 21:41
Maybe I can clear things up a little:

I own Colt 1911s. I have at least one each of the following, all in .45ACP: Government Model (which is full size and equivalent to the G21), Lightweight Commander-(Compact, about the same size as a G19.) and a Ltwt. Officers' Model (equal to Defender or New Agent which is a bit shorter and I believe called a sub compact.), The OM is about the same size as the G30sf I recently purchased.

In the Colts, my preferred carry is the Lightweight Commander because it is a little shorter,and much lighter than the GM while still having the capacity to carry up to nine rounds. The grip is comfortable and fits my hand well. It is a pleasure to carry and shoot..

I bought the G30 because I believe in the full size .45ACP, not the GAP and not 9mm for carry. (Please do not start a 9mm vs..45acp discussion.:supergrin:) I felt the Glock with its great reputation for reliability and ease of carry would be a good choice for EDC and I did not want the G36 because it only has 7 shots. My OM is about the same size and can carry 7 shots also. The G30 gives me a little more firepower with the approximate same size, and like all Glocks it is just pull and shoot.

Besides all this I knew it was time to put a Glock in the arsenal and although I have fired friends' G19s, I still wanted something in .45ACP. The G21 is at least as heavy and long as a GM and I gave up carrying the GM years ago. I love it, but my body doesn't.

After firing and carrying the G30 for a few weeks and shooting a .40 caliber "G19" (i do not know the correct model number) I realize that the medium size of the G19, if it was a single stack .45ACP, would be the right size for carry and grip. While the G30sf is not bad, both for carry and shooting, it is not as "perfect" as the LtWt. Commander.

Don't get me wrong, I will still be carrying the G30 ( for other reasons) but I asked about a .45 G19 sized pistol just to see if it is in the development stages. I never thought there would be such a big discussion about this and I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. If a medium sized Glock in .45 is ever produced I would probably be one of the first to buy one.

I find that the Glock is growing on me and I would not sell the G30sf. It is a good carry piece, but I am always looking for something a little better than what I have. Aren't we all?? Isn't that how we wind up with more than one gun?

Anyhow I hope this has cleared up my original post.
Thanks for the input!:cool:

moishlashen
01-30-2012, 06:59
Try a G36 then bud.

Big Bird
01-30-2012, 11:51
You cannot put a .45 ACP into a doublestack magazine and fit it into a G19/23/32 size gripframe. The round is too long. That's why Glock came out with the .45 GAP. The .45 GAP allows you to do EXACTLY that. So a G39 frame is the same size as the G26 frame. The G38 frame is the same size as the 19/23. The .45 GAP series pistols have a slightly wider slide than the 9mm/40/357 series guns. But not much.

I just bought my first .45 GAP (A G39) and learned a lot about the cartridge before I made the purchase. What I learned is this--it has exactly the same ballistics as a .45 ACP. They shoot the same bullets and operate at the same pressure. The GAP just accomplishes this is a shorter case with a thicker case head. I just started reloading for the GAP and all I needed to do was to change my primer feed from large to small pistol primer on my Dillon 550b. You reload for the GAP using ACP dies with a few adjustments for bullet seating and crimp etc. No big deal--nothing additional to buy. If you are set up to reload for the ACP you can reload for the GAP.

Ammo is easily found online and costs about the same as ACP maybe a buck or two a box difference. Everyone I checked had lots of GAP brass in stock and prices were comparable to new ACP brass.

Gotta say. I wasn't overly enthusiastic about the GAP for a long time. But the first time I held a G39 in my hand the light went off in my head and I understood. You want to shoot .45 bullets in a Glock the same size as a G19/17 you can! Its called the .45 GAP.

1911master
01-30-2012, 21:27
I agree with Big Bird, if you want a glock 17 size in 45 you buy a Glock 37, glock size 19 you buy a Glock 38, glock size 26 you buy a Glock 39. I have just discovered the 45GAP having bought a 38 and 39. These are the only Glocks I have and carry on a daily bases. If you try the GAP you wont want a 45ACP. And yes I have owned 2 different Glock 36s and wont carry anything but the 45GAP.

kreplach
01-31-2012, 00:00
Believe this is the size gun the OP and several other threads in the past are looking for in .45 ACP.
I own and like the Glock 30 but think a G38 similar sized gun in .45 ACP would give some of the other 45 models heavy competition in sales.
Not holding breath either.


That's my point, it would be a model that would sell easily.
Is there much advantage to using a G21 mag in the G30? Does it feel like a longer grip? I believe that it will work in the 30.

dango
01-31-2012, 00:40
I'm looking for a G36 but I also here they don't make a 2012 model.I used to have a gen three but sold it like a dummie!:crying:

rrrr
01-29-2013, 19:15
I just wish when and if they make a Gen 4 G36, they do a total redesign. 4" Barrel, no taper, eliminate the clumsy/goofy looking and non functional mag extension. Give it a grip the length of G19 with flush fit magazine. Gen 4 enhancments and there you go. They would fly out the door.

Opie 1 Kenopie
01-29-2013, 19:37
Seems to me the G30s just about fills the bill. When and if you can ever get your hands on one.

AustinTx
01-29-2013, 19:48
You cannot put a .45 ACP into a doublestack magazine and fit it into a G19/23/32 size gripframe. The round is too long. That's why Glock came out with the .45 GAP. The .45 GAP allows you to do EXACTLY that. So a G39 frame is the same size as the G26 frame. The G38 frame is the same size as the 19/23. The .45 GAP series pistols have a slightly wider slide than the 9mm/40/357 series guns. But not much.


I can't believe it's taken this long to figure out why Glock made the 45 GAP.

butcher_block
01-29-2013, 21:33
I just wish when and if they make a Gen 4 G36, they do a total redesign. 4" Barrel, no taper, eliminate the clumsy/goofy looking and non functional mag extension. Give it a grip the length of G19 with flush fit magazine. Gen 4 enhancments and there you go. They would fly out the door.

i too woudl liek to see them do away with the stupid part grip mag grip combo (give the mag a flat bottom and 3 finger grip on the pistol)

other then that i would liek to see not a 4 inch but keep the 3.6 and add a L with a 5 inch barrel

Meanie5470
01-29-2013, 22:21
Slide is exactly the same size on the 36 and 19. 36 has a shorter grip handle and the frame is the same width as the slide instead of slightly bulging like on the 19. With the pearce pinky grip the 36 makes a perfect carry gun in .45. The 36's slide has more rounded corners for easier holstering.

sugarcreek
01-29-2013, 22:33
For me, the G30SF fills the role for a Glock .45acp compact.

True true. A great shooter too...

GlockFanWA
01-29-2013, 23:08
I love my G36.

Vance
01-30-2013, 09:41
My Glock 36 is awesome. It does what it is designed to do more than adequately.

mtchbrian
01-30-2013, 09:50
i'd like to see someone chop a 21 down to accept the 30 mags. the slide on the 21 isnt so much longer that i could carry it IWB, but the grip prints badly. the 30sf i had carried well. Wish i had never sold it. would love to see a bybrid between the two

Meanie5470
01-30-2013, 15:09
The g21 slide is massive for iwb lol

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mj9mm
01-30-2013, 15:58
Slide is exactly the same size on the 36 and 19. 36 has a shorter grip handle and the frame is the same width as the slide instead of slightly bulging like on the 19. With the pearce pinky grip the 36 makes a perfect carry gun in .45. The 36's slide has more rounded corners for easier holstering.
:agree:the facts speak for themselves, but sometimes it takes a louder voice:embarassed:. when you consider the differance in cartridge size, there has to be a differance magazine size, so a 36 is as close as you get:cool:

LibertyToad
02-02-2013, 08:21
For me, the G30SF fills the role for a Glock .45acp compact.


What he said.

greenlion
02-02-2013, 08:48
I've seen this topic posted a dozen times, and it always results in the same thing. The original poster and maybe one other person who "gets it" being bombarded with comments from others who don't "get it" saying that the GLOCK 30 with its shorter barrel and frame is exactly the same as a compact sized pistols with full grip. Or that the GLOCK 38 is exactly what we are talking about.

I personally would love to see a COMPACT sized 45acp with a full sized compact grip and 4 inch barrel. It would be even better if the slide were thinner like the 30s' will be. The GLOCK 30 is a SUBCOMPACT (and I know blah blah blah... Look it up on the GLOCK website, it is a SUBCOMPACT) The compact size would have a full grip somewhere between the G38 and G21, a slightly longer barrel than the G30, and would be chambered for a caliber that is ubiquitous. No, it would not be as concealable as the 30. No it would not hold as many rounds as the 21. Yes, it would be so close to both the 30 and 21 that it would seem to be pointless. But it, like the G19.... would be a PERFECT gun.

rrrr
02-02-2013, 11:03
Maybe someone will try the G30s thin slide on a G38, just for grins to see if it fits. The GAPs would sell ALOT better if they had the thin slides. I don't understand why they can't "take" it, eventhough the GAP is a higher pressure round than .45 ACP, surely they are strudy enough. That would rock. Until they build my 4" compact thin champion sized .45 that is!

butcher_block
02-02-2013, 11:31
im making a slide that takes a 5 inch barrel on the G36
i do wish if they update the G36 they make the grip full length and offer both short and long slides for it
many will say tho that the 6+1 is too few rounds but if they doo things right they could also use the G36 slided on the G30 liek they have on the G30s
i see lots of good things happening if they go that way

TxGlock9
02-02-2013, 12:44
I don't know about all the glock compact 45's, but my M&P 45 compact is a perfect compact 45 carry.