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3000fps
01-30-2012, 11:11
Is there a risk of a discharge

(I don't really want to call it negligent because dropping your gun CAN be an accident, whether it fell out of your holster getting in a car etc.)

in dropping a 1911?

I was considering purchasing a 1911 for carry, possibly a 4" to put in my center console when i'm traveling as a backup gun.

(yes the gun will be locked up when i'm not in the vehicle)

I know Glock's have drop safeties, but what is to stop a 1911 from going off if it hits the ground?

cowboy1964
01-30-2012, 11:15
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=15201

The Series 80 included a firing pin safety block. If it's not a Series 80 it's not drop safe, AFAIK.

Bodyarmorguy
01-30-2012, 11:16
It depends on the pistol. Some 1911's have a firing pin block that will prevent the gun from inertia firing if dropped directly on the muzzle. Pistols that do not have the FPS can utilize a titanium firing pin and a heavier firing pin spring to reduce that risk. These pistols are often referred to as "California Legal" as they must pass CA's drop test.

Quite frankly, it's never been a big concern for me. Somewhere I have a copy of a test someone did, dropping a a 1911 muzzle first on to various surfaces and heights with an empty but primed case in the chamber.

ArmoryDoc
01-30-2012, 11:27
Why the big concern about dropping it ? Are you French ? j/k

Bodyarmorguy
01-30-2012, 11:34
Why the big concern about dropping it ? Are you French ? j/k

:rofl: I just shot water out my nose

mrsurfboard
01-30-2012, 11:52
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=15201

The Series 80 included a firing pin safety block. If it's not a Series 80 it's not drop safe, AFAIK.

Series 80 refers to Colt 1911s. Outside of Colt it really has no meaning.

brisk21
01-30-2012, 11:58
Series 80 refers to Colt 1911s. Outside of Colt it really has no meaning.


Right or wrong, its generally accepted that 80's series have firing pin safetys and 70's series don't. Regardless of the maker. Didn't we already argue about this?:rofl:

ca survivor
01-30-2012, 12:10
it has to hit a hard surface strait on the barrel, and then it might go off, don't let that stop you from buying a great platform, there are 1911 with firing pin safety, Colts 80 & 90 series, Smith& Wesson not the new E series and Kimber comes to mind now.

mrsurfboard
01-30-2012, 12:32
it has to hit a hard surface strait on the barrel, and then it might go off, don't let that stop you from buying a great platform, there are 1911 with firing pin safety, Colts 80 & 90 series, Smith& Wesson and Kimber comes to mind now.

The new S&W E Series 1911s don't have a FP safety. They use a titanium FP and a heavier FP spring to prevent drop fires.

AZ Jeff
01-30-2012, 12:34
IIRC, a M1911 with normal parts in good working order needs a drop on a hard surface ON IT'S MUZZLE from over SIX FEET to set off primer. Put in a stronger FP spring, or a lighter FP, and the margin becomes higher.

ca survivor
01-30-2012, 12:41
The new S&W E Series 1911s don't have a FP safety. They use a titanium FP and a heavier FP spring to prevent drop fires.
Thanks, I fixed....

3000fps
01-30-2012, 12:48
Well, the gun I was looking at was the Sig Sauer 1911 Scorpion carry, it doesn't say what series it is / if it has a FP block or titanium pin. :dunno:

Interesting posts none the less, thank you!

I think I will concentrate more on not dropping it, but it seems as if I'm dropping my guns at least once a week. I DEFINITELY learned my lesson on not trying to catch it..

427
01-30-2012, 13:44
Yeah, I think working on not dropping weapons you already have is more important than buying a new one.

CMG
01-30-2012, 13:59
Series 80 refers to Colt 1911s. Outside of Colt it really has no meaning.

Yes and no, these days you can Xerox a document on a Canon copier, and a S&W 1911 can have a series 80 FPS. :supergrin:

mrsurfboard
01-30-2012, 14:03
Yes and no, these days you can Xerox a document on a Canon copier, and a S&W 1911 can have a series 80 FPS. :supergrin:

Sure, but if your looking for that type of wording on the S&W website, you aren't going to find it. I knew what you meant, but someone new to 1911s might not.

bac1023
01-30-2012, 14:10
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=15201

The Series 80 included a firing pin safety block. If it's not a Series 80 it's not drop safe, AFAIK.

The Colt series 80 design isn't the only type of firing pin safety.

MarcDW
01-30-2012, 15:36
With any 1911 I don't think it's an issue.

Nakanokalronin
01-30-2012, 16:54
The Colt series 80 design isn't the only type of firing pin safety.

Yea, there is the Swartz safety but I'm not sure of any current production 1911s that use it other than Kimber. Other companies use a 80 series type of safety that works off the trigger like Taurus (your favorite :supergrin:) but I haven't seen other types.

Bodyarmorguy
01-30-2012, 17:05
I think I will concentrate more on not dropping it, but it seems as if I'm dropping my guns at least once a week. I DEFINITELY learned my lesson on not trying to catch it..

Okay, there is a story here yet to be told.:popcorn:

twisty
01-30-2012, 18:05
I'm not sure if the sig 1911 has a firing pin safety or not. If you look at the bottom of the slide and see a firing pin safety/plunger sticking out the bottom that will tell you.

fnfalman
01-30-2012, 18:08
Right or wrong, its generally accepted that 80's series have firing pin safetys and 70's series don't. Regardless of the maker. Didn't we already argue about this?:rofl:

It is generally accepted that COLT Series 80s pistols have the COLT Series 80s firing pin safety.

Other manufacturers use different types of firing pin safety and they aren't the same as the COLT Series 80 firing pin safety.

CMG
01-30-2012, 18:22
I'm not sure if the sig 1911 has a firing pin safety or not. If you look at the bottom of the slide and see a firing pin safety/plunger sticking out the bottom that will tell you.

Sig has the same type of firing pin safety as the Colt Series 80s... whatever you call it. :tongueout:

fnfalman
01-30-2012, 18:27
Sig has the same type of firing pin safety as the Colt Series 80s... whatever you call it. :tongueout:

Just because it's deactivated by the trigger pull, it doesn't mean that the design is exactly the same.

Is the firing pin safety on the Beretta exactly the same as on the SIG as on the Glock?:faint:

Nakanokalronin
01-30-2012, 20:32
Just because it's deactivated by the trigger pull, it doesn't mean that the design is exactly the same.

Is the firing pin safety on the Beretta exactly the same as on the SIG as on the Glock?:faint:

If Beretta or Sig made a G19 in the same configuration I'm sure it would be. It's kinda different when your talking about 1911s since the basic design is mostly similar from one manufacture to the next. I had a PT1911 long ago (POS BTW) and although the firing pin safety parts weren't cut exactly the same as Colt's firing pin safety parts, they worked exactly the same and where pretty close.

I understand that when it comes to Colts, some people have a grudge if you use their terminology but I've called my Kimber Ultra Carry a Defender sized 1911 because people understand the term and is nothing to get upset about.

CAcop
01-31-2012, 13:53
Look up CA drop safety test. They drop them from 5 feet. Most 1911s, even without Ti FP can handle that. There are a few articles on the internet about 1911s w/o FPS. One claimed 16 feet was the number, another was claiming far less.

Drjones
02-01-2012, 18:37
Why the big concern about dropping it ? Are you French ? j/k

:rofl::rofl:

IrvJr
02-01-2012, 19:51
I love my 1911's, however, I think there is a legitimate risk of accidental/negligient discharge if a "series 70" 1911 is dropped.

There was someone over on the 10-8 forums who did a series of drop tests using different combinations of firing pins and springs (.45 cal vs. 9mm sized pins, steel versus titanium) for 1911's without the firing pin block. He dropped the guns on a variety of surfaces at different heights.

The guns did discharge when dropped, even for the guns equipped with the light firing pins and heavy firing pin springs.

http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=92828&page=1

The guns with the smaller 9mm titanium firing pins were able to withstand higher drops without discharging. However, at some point, all of the combinations eventually discharged when dropped.

If you are concerned about drop safety, you might want to consider getting a 1911 with a passive firing pin block (Colt Series 80 or Schwartz type safety).

According to the test results, at 6FT a 9mm Titanium firing pin would cause a discharge when dropped onto concrete. While dropping a gun accidentally from a height of 6ft is not common, it is not impossible.