Next best brand to Glock? [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : Next best brand to Glock?


Glock 1
01-30-2012, 19:46
If Glock were not an option, what would be the next brand pistol you would buy? No model's needed, just brand. Unless you want to post that too.

Magus
01-30-2012, 19:49
*nevermind* misunderstood what I was getting into here. Have a great evening all.

Glock 1
01-30-2012, 19:53
I edited the main post. I don't want to step on toes or cause any brand debates.

SiberianErik
01-30-2012, 19:53
an apples to apples would be the SW M&P as well as the SA XDM line with a dash of the Beretta Storm line tossed in. All those would appeal to the same buyer as far as $$, reputation, availability and calibers available. All are polys and you could throw a blanket over all of them as they are all shooting for the same demo.

A small step up would be FNX line. People go for the FN for the slightly more exotic factor.

I would not compare Glock to HK in any way.

Tim151515
01-30-2012, 19:53
Well you could always stock Glock for just the average joes, or people that want defensive guns...then stok HKs for people that want a more upscale firearm. I have never used an HK but I know a lot of people that love them and swear by them.

Magus
01-30-2012, 19:55
Getting into? If this is going to cause issues then I will delete it. Its an honest question. I am not looking for a debate.

No worries. I just misread your post and started thinking down a different tangent and almost responded in a way that wouldn't have not been helpful.

Carry on good sir.

Glock 1
01-30-2012, 19:57
No worries. I just misread your post and started thinking down a different tangent and almost responded in a way that wouldn't have not been helpful.

Carry on good sir.

It is ok. I edited the main post to clarify my question. Thank you for the consideration. I would still be interested in your opinion though.

R.O.C.
01-30-2012, 19:57
Sig, if Polymer Frame- Smith Wesson M&P....

Magus
01-30-2012, 19:58
Well, Springfield XD is also a pretty popular brand. S&W stuff as well.

Glock 1
01-30-2012, 19:58
an apples to apples would be the SW M&P as well as the SA XDM line with a dash of the Beretta Storm line tossed in. All those would appeal to the same buyer as far as $$, reputation, availability and calibers available. All are polys and you could throw a blanket over all of them as they are all shooting for the same demo.

A small step up would be FNX line. People go for the FN for the slightly more exotic factor.

I would not compare Glock to HK in any way.

I like the idea of all poly's. Good idea. I really wanted to carry Colt but they are never in stock.

chrisf608
01-30-2012, 19:59
FNH is my pick

adamg01
01-30-2012, 20:00
Cz PCR Compact

Glock 1
01-30-2012, 20:03
FNH is definitely on my list. I would love to own one of those Five-Sevens.

Gregg702
01-30-2012, 20:08
Sig, Beretta, S&W, Ruger, Springfield, all sorts of good brands out there.

M.O.A.
01-30-2012, 20:11
Smith & Wesson M&P

cjkranz
01-30-2012, 20:12
I've had a couple HKs... Sold them and now have two glocks to replace them (and a SA)

427
01-30-2012, 20:14
http://www.iwarehouse.co.za/images/stories/CZ/10x10_CZ-Logo_V01.png

G23c
01-30-2012, 20:21
no Glock, then Sig.

Boot Stomper
01-30-2012, 20:27
FNH is my pick


Agree. I have an FNX 40 and I love it.

Harder to clean for some reason than Glock. It may be that it is the the SS finish and I'm a stickler for having a clean gun.

bac1023
01-30-2012, 20:28
If Glock were not an option, what would be the next brand pistol you would buy? No model's needed, just brand. Unless you want to post that too.

As far as polymers go, I feel HK makes the best.

Not 2nd best to Glock, but the best. I wouldn't even put Glock 2nd, maybe top 5.

bigleaf
01-30-2012, 20:31
Caracal. Seriously, find someplace that rents them at the range, like Sevierville Indoor Range or some friend of a friend who's got one. Shoot one. You'll buy one. Or two.

TalkToTheGlock
01-30-2012, 20:33
As far as polymers go, I feel HK makes the best.

Not 2nd best to Glock, but the best. I wouldn't even put Glock 2nd, maybe top 5.

This. We can argue that HK doesn't care about the civilian market, but I respect that. I never had a problem with they CS unlike others.

Also, they are the next best option for a person that "Wants the feel of a 1911, but doesn't want a 1911."

Glock is good, but HK is better imo.




iPhone 4

bac1023
01-30-2012, 20:35
Caracal. Seriously, find someplace that rents them at the range, like Sevierville Indoor Range or some friend of a friend who's got one. Shoot one. You'll buy one. Or two.

I wouldn't mind trying one of those actually.

mrsurfboard
01-30-2012, 20:42
As far as polymers go, I feel HK makes the best.

Not 2nd best to Glock, but the best. I wouldn't even put Glock 2nd, maybe top 5.

Agreed, I have 2 H&Ks and they are far superior to any Glock I've ever owned or shot. I would even put the M&P ahead of Glock at this point.

kubura
01-30-2012, 20:44
Hi-Point!


Hi-Point Pistols: The Ultimate Test - YouTube





Just kidding :supergrin:.

bac1023
01-30-2012, 21:05
Agreed, I have 2 H&Ks and they are far superior to any Glock I've ever owned or shot. I would even put the M&P ahead of Glock at this point.

Yeah, I like the M&P line quite a bit. I also really like the XDm.

Walther seems to have a winner on its hands with the new PPQ, as well.

austin_tx
01-30-2012, 21:13
I wouldn't even put Glock 2nd, maybe top 5.

Word.

Jack23
01-30-2012, 21:15
XD for me........

Mike357S
01-30-2012, 21:22
If Glock were not available, I would likely have a XDm or maybe a M&P in my possession. Not a huge fan of the M&P design though, so I'd say the XD would be a direct Glock replacement. I wouldn't discount some of Ruger's designs though, like the SR series. There are plenty of quality choices these days (good to be a consumer!), but I will say I love my Glock!

RetailNinjitsu
01-30-2012, 21:29
I would buy a Walther PPQ if I was in the market for another plastic gun. Walther hit a grand-slam with that gun. The M&P takes the silver.

bac1023
01-30-2012, 21:32
I would buy a Walther PPQ if I was in the market for another plastic gun. Walther hit a grand-slam with that gun.
Yeah, I really need to pick one up. :)

NeverMore1701
01-30-2012, 21:38
There are many handguns I'd much rather have than a Glock.

bac1023
01-30-2012, 21:41
There are many handguns I'd much rather have than a Glock.

:agree:

barth
01-30-2012, 21:46
I have seven handguns.
4 auto loaders and 3 revolvers.

Sig Sauer P220/45
Sig Sauer P239/357
Kahr MK40 Elite/40
Glock G27/40 with 357/9mm barrels/mags

S&W 629-2 44 Magnum
S&W 640-1 357 Magnum
S&W 342 ti 38 +P

They are all fine weapons.
What's next? Maybe a Walther PPQ

bac1023
01-30-2012, 22:28
I also love variety. ;)

themighty9mm
01-30-2012, 22:37
Beretta is my number 1 for me. Glock might be in the top 5...maybe

ctrcs
01-30-2012, 22:41
S&w m&p

tim12232
01-30-2012, 22:42
SIG, Dan Wesson, HK, FNH, Walther in that order!

WarEagle32
01-30-2012, 22:44
CZ 75 with no firing pin block!

Feanor
01-30-2012, 22:46
I would not compare Glock to HK in any way.

Why not?

Feanor
01-30-2012, 22:48
Agreed, I have 2 H&Ks and they are far superior to any Glock I've ever owned or shot. I would even put the M&P ahead of Glock at this point.

How exactly are they "far" superior?

jaklcrow
01-30-2012, 22:50
Beretta here

bigleaf
01-30-2012, 22:59
I wouldn't mind trying one of those actually.

I don't precisely know what a "natural" gun is, but I'll bet it's almost exactly like the Caracal. in my experience, any way.

mt920
01-30-2012, 23:12
Beretta... Especially their PX4 Storm models....

arclight610
01-30-2012, 23:13
How exactly are they "far" superior?

Barrel O-ring. Keeps the gasses from leaking around the barrel.

J/K, don't shoot me

MinnesnowtaWild
01-30-2012, 23:16
I personally like Ruger, but there are tons of guns and brands that I like.

mrsurfboard
01-30-2012, 23:29
How exactly are they "far" superior?

Superior ergos, superior construction, proven track record as a weapon of war. H&K makes weapons for armies all over the world for many different applications, Glock makes cheap handguns.

Feanor
01-30-2012, 23:43
Superior ergos, superior construction, proven track record as a weapon of war. H&K makes weapons for armies all over the world for many different applications, Glock makes cheap handguns.

Oh, I see! In other words you haven't a clue as to what you shot your mouth off about, that about cover things? :whistling:

Arourasphere
01-30-2012, 23:49
Sig Sauer

Folsom_Prison
01-31-2012, 00:21
Ruger P95!

12131
01-31-2012, 00:34
If Glock were not an option, what would be the next brand pistol you would buy? No model's needed, just brand. Unless you want to post that too.

Plenty of other great options:

Sig P228/225
Beretta M9
HK USP
Ruger older P-series
CZ 75

nelsone
01-31-2012, 00:38
I can't believe that anybody would seriously respond with "HK!"

The Glock is the no-brainer super-value option. The HK, the Sig? C'mon!

+1 for the votes for Caracal and CZ. Reliable, reputable, affordable, and they get the job done.

Please allow me to add to the list: Bersa! It's one of the best buys out there, without sinking to the level of Hi-Point.

Lior
01-31-2012, 00:42
That's a very generic question. Very few pistol manufacturers provide gear that satisfy all pistol needs. Even Glock is only a niche in pistol applications.

IMO Walther and Steyr come the closest with an excellent selection of antipersonnel and sporting pistols.

Merely for antipersonnel uses, countless companies provide excellent selections - CZ, SIG Sauer, Springfield Armory, S&W, HK to name but a few.

Bow Commander
01-31-2012, 00:42
Since was price wasn't in the OP's question, I'd say HK.

Jdog
01-31-2012, 00:44
can't believe nobody mentioned Steyr

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1377955&highlight=steyr+quality

http://www.steyrarms.com/products/sporting-rifles/steyr-pistol-m-a1/

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1352008&highlight=steyr+quality

mrsurfboard
01-31-2012, 00:44
Oh, I see! In other words you haven't a clue as to what you shot your mouth off about, that about cover things? :whistling:

Forgot I was talking to a fanboy :brickwall:

Creatism
01-31-2012, 01:08
My next gun is prolly gonna be a xd sc. So I'd say no glock, I'd say xd, now thats in the polymer gun category. Expand that and now you got some REALLY nice guns!!


Typed from my iPhone.

NEOH212
01-31-2012, 03:06
I'll exclude HK from my choices since it would be unfair to compare HK to that much less of a product and unfair to Glock since they can't (or won't) compete with HK's quality and durability.

(Yes, I'm serious and save your breath. My mind is made up.)


With that said, in the same quality and price range as the Glocks, and comparing polymer to polymer, I would have to say the M&P.

If you want a gun a step under HK, go FN.


That ought to stir the pot!

Flame suit is on! :wavey:

:couch:

NEOH212
01-31-2012, 03:08
can't believe nobody mentioned Steyr

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1377955&highlight=steyr+quality

http://www.steyrarms.com/products/sporting-rifles/steyr-pistol-m-a1/

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1352008&highlight=steyr+quality

Thanks for reminding me about these! Yes, these were also great guns and I haven't seen any for a few years now.

mrsurfboard
01-31-2012, 03:43
I'll exclude HK from my choices since it would be unfair to compare HK to that much less of a product and unfair to Glock since they can't (or won't) compete with HK's quality and durability.

(Yes, I'm serious and save your breath. My mind is made up.)


With that said, in the same quality and price range as the Glocks, and comparing polymer to polymer, I would have to say the M&P.

If you want a gun a step under HK, go FN.


That ought to stir the pot!

Flame suit is on! :wavey:

:couch:

There is a reason H&K and FNH are in the top. Both produce a wide range of military weapons for various applications. Glock makes cheap handguns.

bac1023
01-31-2012, 05:32
I don't precisely know what a "natural" gun is, but I'll bet it's almost exactly like the Caracal. in my experience, any way.

Interesting

Bren
01-31-2012, 05:49
I edited the main post. I don't want to step on toes or cause any brand debates.

You started a thread asking what the next best brand after Glock is - that's pretty much a "brand debate" isn't it?

I'd say the question is too broad to answer. "Best gun for X" maybe, but there's just a few brands, both cheap and expensive, that I don't care for in general and the rest, it just depends on what model they're making.

Bren
01-31-2012, 05:51
I'll exclude HK from my choices since it would be unfair to compare HK to that much less of a product and unfair to Glock since they can't (or won't) compete with HK's quality and durability.


People who spent a lot of money on the icon of mall ninjas everywhere often feel compelled to defend it. However, I've never seen anything to make me choose H&K. In fact, except for the P7, maybe, I put their handguns among some of the worst designs in the high-dollar market.

Dangerfield
01-31-2012, 05:58
Right now it would be the PPQ

BuckyP
01-31-2012, 07:12
Can I vote all of the above? I would miss my GLOCKs, as I tend to shoot them the best. However, I don't find them to be superior to HK, XD, Sig, Beretta, etc.

Bruce M
01-31-2012, 07:44
At about the same price point I believe the M&P is a good choice. I like my USP better than Glocks. And if we leave polymer choices I think my older Sigs and stainless Sig among others are in many ways better than Glocks. They are however heavier and not in the same arena, price wise.

TN.Frank
01-31-2012, 08:38
I would rank Sig, H&K and Beretta as the top three in no certain order then you get into S&W,Ruger and Glock in my second list(again, in no certain order) so Glock wouldn't be my first pick or even my second. In fact, as a general rule I simply can't warm up to striker fired handguns, I need to see a hammer at the back of the slide of it just doesn't feel right to me. Sig, H&K and Beretta all have semis with hammers as does S&W and Ruger, that's why Glock is a bit further down on my list.

HauntedAlabama
01-31-2012, 08:55
FN is the way to go but there are lots of good choices. I wanted a Glock 19 for Christmas but asked for a FNX after handling both at the lgs. Really interested in a Walther PPS and Glock doesn't make anything that compares to it. I like Glock but I am not in love with them like some people are. I've stated this before, I carry a Glock because I didn't want to scuff up my Sig not because the Glock was ”better”.

The Retired Sarge
01-31-2012, 09:09
HK and the Walther PPQ for me. The Glocks now live in the safe. Bill

jwhite75
01-31-2012, 09:10
If Glock were not an option, what would be the next brand pistol you would buy? No model's needed, just brand. Unless you want to post that too.


Sig Sauer "P" series.

brisk21
01-31-2012, 09:16
Superior ergos, superior construction, proven track record as a weapon of war. H&K makes weapons for armies all over the world for many different applications, Glock makes cheap handguns.


Yeah, I guess HK is better if you like an over-engineered, over complicated product with more parts that are less available than Glock. You better have a gunsmith on your speed dial if you want to change anything internal on the gun. If you like buying "rail adapters" for $900 handguns. If you like buying $65 magazines that have a lesser capacity than Glock. If you don't mind having to get aftermarket tritium night sights because the ones that come on the gun need a flashlight to work. Hopefully you have an extra pocket for your O-rings in case you lose one. Hopefully you don't mind the limited holster selection you have. Manual safetys, decockers, ect.. I can use them correctly if I need to, but Id rather just be able to draw, fire, and reholster with no added steps. Especially in a "defensive" handgun. Say what you want, but Glocks are much more simple and fast, both in shooting, and in maintence.

OK, does HK have a higher build quality? Its highly debatable. I'll give you that. Are HK handguns better? The real question is, are they better for me and you? Id say no. I think some people just get caught up in a handguns companys image more than anything. The Glock is an everymans gun. They are inexpensive, very common, and not alot of frills. HK seems to be for "special shooters". They are expensive, you don't see them all over, so if you have one, you feel special. You don't see alot of cops carry them because they are overly expensive for what they are and what they do. HK really appeals to gun snobs, Glock not so much. Its not about being a Glock fanboy, its about being practical. I'll keep my "cheap" Glocks. Oh, and superior construction? Show me a torture/abuse/neglect test that HK can pass that Glock cant. I could probably dig up a test or two that Glock passed that HK did not.

chief63
01-31-2012, 09:18
Smith & Wesson M&P

stsai465
01-31-2012, 10:00
My next couple handguns I have slated on my list to buy are CZ and FNH.

shyguy
01-31-2012, 10:30
I would replace my 17 with a Walther PPQ.

P99er
01-31-2012, 11:14
I can't believe that anybody would seriously respond with "HK!"

The Glock is the no-brainer super-value option. The HK, the Sig? C'mon!


The question was the "next best" which implies to the downside. If Glock is the 4th best behind Walther, HK, and Sig, then the question really is, which is "5th Best". If the question was 'which are better', then HK and Sig would be the common answer.

sr975j
01-31-2012, 11:20
S&W M&P or Sig

Sam

ashecht
01-31-2012, 11:25
FNH is definitely on my list. I would love to own one of those Five-Sevens.

might not love it so much when it comes time to find or buy ammo:wow:

TN.Frank
01-31-2012, 11:37
My personal top 4, in order are, Sig, Beretta, S&W and Ruger. Never owned an H&K so I can't comment and having owned 5 Glocks I've found out the hard way that I really don't care for em' much. JMHO, YMMV.

Bob Hafler
01-31-2012, 12:40
Like my Glock just fine, but Like my CZ more.

Chiefret
01-31-2012, 13:15
I don't identify with one brand when purchaseing firearms. I buy what fits my interest and/or need. I have pistols from numerous brands, (HK, SA, Taurus, Kel-Tec, and Glock) The only ones that have worked flawlessly out of the box are the Glock and SA.

rahrah12
01-31-2012, 13:27
My G21SF was mu first gun and I really like it. That said I don't really have any desire to own another Glock, maybe the Glock 30 but it is low on my "wants" list.

If Glock was not available I probably would've tried a lot more guns before picking my first.

That said my second gun was a Sig so that is probably what I would've ended up with for my first.

ranger88
01-31-2012, 13:38
Let's say that I couldn't or wasn't allowed to carry my Glock 19 or 23, then I would pull my SIG P229 in .40 S&W out of the safe as my next choice out of the current batch of pistols that I own. Next would be my Springfield XD45 Service Model, then maybe the Wilson CQB? Too hard to answer definitively. So many choices...

Chiefret
01-31-2012, 13:42
Let's say that I couldn't or wasn't allowed to carry my Glock 19 or 23... Too hard to answer definitively. So many choices...


But it's great to have options isn't it? :cool:

Brian Lee
01-31-2012, 13:57
If the OP had said "next best gun FOR THE PRICE" then the premise of the thread would be valid. But when price is not an issue, Glocks are not the best. They are simply a good Chevrolet for when you need something in that price range and want all you can get for your dollar. To think there's nothing better in existence (at any price) is delusional.

Nuff said, flames on....

LEAD
01-31-2012, 14:03
Pends on what you're doing. The thing that makes glocks a top choice for most is glocks versatility. Next best as far as versatility to glock; I'd say a FN or M&P.

The FNS will be a big competitor for glocks and other striker fired pistols.

fastbolt
01-31-2012, 14:09
Personally, since I only buy them for use as dedicated defensive weapons (not a collector or sport shooter), I tend to stay with the major brands/designs that have found acceptance among LE/Gov users after different rounds of testing & evaluation have been done at different times, as well as having developed some history of actual service use.

I also prefer that the company has an easily accessed, user-friendly method of general parts & service support established (including armorer training, given my druthers). If they make it easy for LE/Gov field armorers to support and repair the weapons, it's a plus for my desires.

Now, while there are a number of such brands/designs which have found acceptance among the huge LE/Gov customer base in this country, I further restrict my interest to those which have not only worked well in much of the T&E and field use, but have also met my own desires and preferences when it comes to overall ergonomics, balance, trigger types, maintenance, etc.

That being the case, over the years I've found that I tend to prefer spending my own money on plastic-framed pistols made by S&W, Walther & Glock (in no particular order, BTW). When it comes to metal-framed pistols it would be S&W, Sig & Colt.

Not that the others aren't fine, or that some of the newer ones won't establish themselves as being fine over time, but those are the ones I've come to tend to prefer to own and use, myself. I'd have no problem using at least some of the others, if it were required I use them as issued equipment, though. It's just when my own money is involved that I start to get a bit picky. ;)

I don't "rank" them in some sort of hierarchy most of the time, either, since they all have their advantages & disadvantages when considered from various perspectives.

wmspdi
01-31-2012, 14:10
SIG Sauer

mrsurfboard
01-31-2012, 14:19
Yeah, I guess HK is better if you like an over-engineered, over complicated product with more parts that are less available than Glock. You better have a gunsmith on your speed dial if you want to change anything internal on the gun. If you like buying "rail adapters" for $900 handguns. If you like buying $65 magazines that have a lesser capacity than Glock. If you don't mind having to get aftermarket tritium night sights because the ones that come on the gun need a flashlight to work. Hopefully you have an extra pocket for your O-rings in case you lose one. Hopefully you don't mind the limited holster selection you have. Manual safetys, decockers, ect.. I can use them correctly if I need to, but Id rather just be able to draw, fire, and reholster with no added steps. Especially in a "defensive" handgun. Say what you want, but Glocks are much more simple and fast, both in shooting, and in maintenance.

Why would I need to change any internal parts? If the gun fails, I'm sending back to H&K to fix the right way, not "bubba gunsmith" myself like many here who have absolutely no training do on a gun that I might have to depend on for my life. New H&Ks do not need rail adapters, living in the past perhaps? What's wrong with aftermarkets sights? O rings, really? And you feel safeties and decockers are difficult to master? And for the real challenged, H&K offers LEM triggers which are just as retard proof as the Glock. If you want to go thinking the Glock is the greatest handgun in the world, whatever, enjoy! I see a world outside of Glocks, which by the way I own as well. If I'm picking the best gun out of my safe, My H&Ks and even my M&Ps would come out before my Glocks.

BailRecoveryAgent
01-31-2012, 14:35
SIG, HK, S&W M&P, would be my choices not in any particular order. I now carry a SIG and don't miss the Glock one bit. There is a big world out there as far as hanguns go, you're missing out if you think a certain brand is the only one worthy of your ownership.

cheapshot
01-31-2012, 14:48
Isn't there a place where HK fans can hang out on this site? Why do some of their "fans" feel the need to go all over this forum causing unrest, but most glock fans just pass by the HK section and don't even think about going in? A simple response to the OP's question would suffice. But noooooo... By the way, someone mentioned the number of countries whose armed forces use HK firearms. Are these countries shelling out 1,200 bucks for a toilet seat too?

mrsurfboard
01-31-2012, 15:03
Isn't there a place where HK fans can hang out on this site? Why do some of their "fans" feel the need to go all over this forum causing unrest, but most glock fans just pass by the HK section and don't even think about going in? A simple response to the OP's question would suffice. But noooooo... By the way, someone mentioned the number of countries whose armed forces use HK firearms. Are these countries shelling out 1,200 bucks for a toilet seat too?

This isn't the Glock section either, it's called "General Firearms" and the OP wanted to know our thoughts, which is what I did. And I guess in your mind the "simple answer" would have been "Glocks rule!!" :rofl:

fastbolt
01-31-2012, 15:04
Well, it's probably unavoidable to attract the attention of folks who are what might charitably be called "brand enthusiasts". :whistling:

Once you start seeing all of the major makes/brands exhibit assorted issues during training classes & qual/training/practice ranges, it can help remind us that we're just talking about small examples of mechanical equipment, and that occasional examples of all machines and equipment can experience problems from time to time.

It's always a bit sad and disappointing to see someone who's just ever-so-proud (to an annoying extent, at times) of their whatever-brand gun come through some qual or training range and experience some miscellaneous stoppage, malfunction or instance of parts breakage, accelerated wear, out-of-spec part, etc ... and then express how they've now suddenly lost all faith and trust in that particular gun.

Geez, it's just a gun. Things happen.

Might be something the shooter did, or didn't do properly.

Might be the ammunition. (When 1M rounds come off a production line every 24 hours, do you really expect each and every one to be perfect? Really?)

Might be the conditions under which the gun is being used just that one time.

Might be the owner's/user's maintenance practices.

Might even be something in that particular gun that requires attention.

Pick whichever make/brand of motor vehicle you may personally fancy, and then walk through the Service Dept driveway and shop area sometime. Ever see some dealership who decided to close their Service Dept because their brand of vehicle never experienced problems or required dealer-level maintenance or repair? Really? :rofl:

cheapshot
01-31-2012, 15:05
Never mind. I think i answered my own question. Just looked a minute ago and there were 183 viewing general glocking, and 4 in the HK section. Gotta go now. My parents will be home any minute.

CBennett
01-31-2012, 16:25
If Glock were not an option, what would be the next brand pistol you would buy? No model's needed, just brand. Unless you want to post that too.

Since Glock isnt a option for me due to its HORRID grips/grip angle..M&P,XM(m),Sig,HK,Steyr, and Ruger are in the running :).

tcruse
01-31-2012, 16:40
Ruger,
Baretta,
Taurus,
S&W M&P

Gregg702
01-31-2012, 16:51
If the OP had said "next best gun FOR THE PRICE" then the premise of the thread would be valid. But when price is not an issue, Glocks are not the best. They are simply a good Chevrolet for when you need something in that price range and want all you can get for your dollar. To think there's nothing better in existence (at any price) is delusional.

Nuff said, flames on....

I consider them more like the Toyota Corolla of guns. Reliable, inexpensive, vanilla, and a couple generations behind the competition.

NIB
01-31-2012, 17:00
Isn't there a place where HK fans can hang out on this site? Why do some of their "fans" feel the need to go all over this forum causing unrest, but most glock fans just pass by the HK section and don't even think about going in? A simple response to the OP's question would suffice. But noooooo... By the way, someone mentioned the number of countries whose armed forces use HK firearms. Are these countries shelling out 1,200 bucks for a toilet seat too?

Never mind. I think i answered my own question. Just looked a minute ago and there were 183 viewing general glocking, and 4 in the HK section. Gotta go now. My parents will be home any minute.


http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/633/ismelltrollspicdumps400.jpg

45caldan
01-31-2012, 17:21
PPQ
Everything else is now outdated! :cool:

nutty_one
01-31-2012, 17:38
CZ. The CZ 75 or 85 would be tops on my list.

brisk21
01-31-2012, 17:39
Why would I need to change any internal parts? If the gun fails, I'm sending back to H&K to fix the right way, not "bubba gunsmith" myself like many here who have absolutely no training do on a gun that I might have to depend on for my life. New H&Ks do not need rail adapters, living in the past perhaps? What's wrong with aftermarkets sights? O rings, really? And you feel safeties and decockers are difficult to master? And for the real challenged, H&K offers LEM triggers which are just as retard proof as the Glock. If you want to go thinking the Glock is the greatest handgun in the world, whatever, enjoy! I see a world outside of Glocks, which by the way I own as well. If I'm picking the best gun out of my safe, My H&Ks and even my M&Ps would come out before my Glocks.


Uh, I along with many other people I know can fix just about anything that goes wrong on a glock. there is nothing wrong with aftermarket sights, but its sad that you get those fake night sights with a one thousand dollar pistol. Safeties and decockers are easy to "master". Like I said, Id just rather not have extra steps if I dont need to in a defensive handgun. Like I said, alot of HK fanboys are just caught up in the image HK represents. Its not really anything but that. They are far less practical guns. Its not about being the best in the world, its about whats best for the end user. Most of the time, Glock is a better choice than HK. That is why there are so many more Glocks out there in duty holsters than HK. If you wanna go around thinking your $1000 HK pistol can do something my $450 Glock can't, go ahead but you'd be wrong.

Gregg702
01-31-2012, 17:46
Uh, I along with many other people I know can fix just about anything that goes wrong on a glock. there is nothing wrong with aftermarket sights, but its sad that you get those fake night sights with a one thousand dollar pistol. Safeties and decockers are easy to "master". Like I said, Id just rather not have extra steps if I dont need to in a defensive handgun. Like I said, alot of HK fanboys are just caught up in the image HK represents. Its not really anything but that. They are far less practical guns. Its not about being the best in the world, its about whats best for the end user. Most of the time, Glock is a better choice than HK. That is why there are so many more Glocks out there in duty holsters than HK. If you wanna go around thinking your $1000 HK pistol can do something my $450 Glock can't, go ahead but you'd be wrong.

There are more Glock's in duty holsters than HK's because Glock practically gives them to LEO agencies.

mrsurfboard
01-31-2012, 17:53
There are more Glock's in duty holster than HK's because Glock practically gives them to LEO agencies.

Agreed. Glock also fits nicely in the Price vs Performance criteria. They are great guns that are cheap. H&K, Sigs and M&Ps are better in my opinion though.

mrsurfboard
01-31-2012, 18:01
Uh, I along with many other people I know can fix just about anything that goes wrong on a glock. there is nothing wrong with aftermarket sights, but its sad that you get those fake night sights with a one thousand dollar pistol. Safeties and decockers are easy to "master". Like I said, Id just rather not have extra steps if I dont need to in a defensive handgun. Like I said, alot of HK fanboys are just caught up in the image HK represents. Its not really anything but that. They are far less practical guns. Its not about being the best in the world, its about whats best for the end user. Most of the time, Glock is a better choice than HK. That is why there are so many more Glocks out there in duty holsters than HK. If you wanna go around thinking your $1000 HK pistol can do something my $450 Glock can't, go ahead but you'd be wrong.

I like H&Ks, I like a lot of different makes of guns, so I'm hardly a fan boy of anything, except maybe the 1911 platform. And explain how H&Ks aren't practical? They are well made, shoot well and work well. Sound like a great gun to me. And you seem to seem to like Glock, maybe even a fanboy, so ofcourse Glock would be the best choice for you.

travis34769
01-31-2012, 18:45
If Glock were not an option, what would be the next brand pistol you would buy? No model's needed, just brand. Unless you want to post that too.

Springfield - That make great guns. I like the "feeling" of the guns. Springfield does a good job!

brisk21
01-31-2012, 19:13
I like H&Ks, I like a lot of different makes of guns, so I'm hardly a fan boy of anything, except maybe the 1911 platform. And explain how H&Ks aren't practical? They are well made, shoot well and work well. Sound like a great gun to me. And you seem to seem to like Glock, maybe even a fanboy, so ofcourse Glock would be the best choice for you.


Well I already explained how HKs are not as practical as Glock. Ive also owned a bunch of different kinds of handguns, and always come back to Glock. Most handguns these days are well made, shoot and work well. That isn't special anymore.

Lockback
01-31-2012, 19:16
I'm almost embarrassed to admit it, but I've never shot a Smith M&P.
Or a Ruger SR9.
Or a Caracal.
Or a Springfield XDm.
My best friend and I shoot regularly and are happy with what we've got: various 1911s, Glocks, Hi-Powers and a Steyr M40.
I do like the Steyr a LOT. Recoil is amazingly manageable and it just plain works.
I have nothing against those previously mentioned guns and hope to at least shoot some someday ... maybe even own one. But my Glocks and 1911s work so well, I'm not in the market to drop $500-$2,000 on a new handgun just to say I own one.
Been there, done that ... many years ago.:supergrin:

TnGlocker12
01-31-2012, 19:24
Probably for me it would be the H&K 45C. I think I really want one.

Mike 257
01-31-2012, 19:31
If Glock were not an option , I would probably be a Sig Guy

Feanor
01-31-2012, 19:46
Superior ergos, superior construction, proven track record as a weapon of war. H&K makes weapons for armies all over the world for many different applications, Glock makes cheap handguns.

Forgot I was talking to a fanboy

I think the board can ascertain for itself, just who's the fanboy here, however you might offer up a listing of all the armies that field an HK pistol for general infantry use?

You might explain to our ignorant satisfaction, just how you have arrived at the conclusion that any HK pistol is of superior construction to any Glock, not your opinion mind you, ante up definitive evidence that clearly establishes your "ahh" statements as factual?

Define the meaning of ergonomic?

Lastly, explain to us, "exactly," how a Glock is cheaper then any HK pistol, or better yet why does an HK command double the price? :yawn:

brisk21
01-31-2012, 20:15
I think the board can ascertain for itself, just who's the fanboy here, however you might offer up a listing of all the armies that field an HK pistol for general infantry use?

You might explain to our ignorant satisfaction, just how you have arrived at the conclusion that any HK pistol is of superior construction to any Glock, not your opinion mind you, ante up definitive evidence that clearly establishes your "ahh" statements as factual?

Define the meaning of ergonomic?

Lastly, explain to us, "exactly," how a Glock is cheaper then any HK pistol, or better yet why does an HK command double the price? :yawn:


Exactly. Im waiting to hear what an HK can do that a Glock can not. Other than make a gun snob feel special. Where are the torture/abuse tests that HK passes that Glock fails? Where is the justification for double the price, other than it has a bunch more parts? most of which have to be "fitted" like the gun was designed in 1911. Thats really why it costs so much. Its just overcomplicated and overengineered.

Bullitt01
01-31-2012, 20:39
Yeah, I guess HK is better if you like an over-engineered, over complicated product with more parts that are less available than Glock. You better have a gunsmith on your speed dial if you want to change anything internal on the gun. If you like buying "rail adapters" for $900 handguns. If you like buying $65 magazines that have a lesser capacity than Glock. If you don't mind having to get aftermarket tritium night sights because the ones that come on the gun need a flashlight to work. Hopefully you have an extra pocket for your O-rings in case you lose one. Hopefully you don't mind the limited holster selection you have. Manual safetys, decockers, ect.. I can use them correctly if I need to, but Id rather just be able to draw, fire, and reholster with no added steps. Especially in a "defensive" handgun. Say what you want, but Glocks are much more simple and fast, both in shooting, and in maintence.

OK, does HK have a higher build quality? Its highly debatable. I'll give you that. Are HK handguns better? The real question is, are they better for me and you? Id say no. I think some people just get caught up in a handguns companys image more than anything. The Glock is an everymans gun. They are inexpensive, very common, and not alot of frills. HK seems to be for "special shooters". They are expensive, you don't see them all over, so if you have one, you feel special. You don't see alot of cops carry them because they are overly expensive for what they are and what they do. HK really appeals to gun snobs, Glock not so much. Its not about being a Glock fanboy, its about being practical. I'll keep my "cheap" Glocks. Oh, and superior construction? Show me a torture/abuse/neglect test that HK can pass that Glock cant. I could probably dig up a test or two that Glock passed that HK did not.

^^^ Hit the nail on the head here... Practicality, user-friendliness, simplicity, reliability/durability. These are the fundamental trademarks of a Glock. Say what you will about about who uses HK's and who uses a Glock because we all know that many, many, hardworking LEO's and SF operators use both. The question remains, which is "best". My idea of what handgun is best between two models is the answer to the question "Which of these will still work when the other won't?". Here is an interesting look at the extreme circumstances in which a Glock can still perform. (Note the part about the HK):
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item
Semper Fi

mrsurfboard
01-31-2012, 20:45
I think the board can ascertain for itself, just who's the fanboy here, however you might offer up a listing of all the armies that field an HK pistol for general infantry use?

You might explain to our ignorant satisfaction, just how you have arrived at the conclusion that any HK pistol is of superior construction to any Glock, not your opinion mind you, ante up definitive evidence that clearly establishes your "ahh" statements as factual?

Define the meaning of ergonomic?

Lastly, explain to us, "exactly," how a Glock is cheaper then any HK pistol, or better yet why does an HK command double the price? :yawn:

Why bother, no matter what is presented you will always think your Glock is better.

Bullitt01
01-31-2012, 20:55
Why bother, no matter what is presented you will always think your Glock is better.

Hardly... I buy guns that work. SHOW ME that your HK will out perform my Glock where it counts (& I don't just mean accuracy).

P.S. Showing me usually requires you to present actual evidence in support of your argument.

Semper Fi

stolenphot0
01-31-2012, 21:00
for my purpose, which is range shooting and keeping it for defense at home after i get more time shooting, I would go with what i first started looking at - HK. In my limited experience I think it just looks better. My second choice was FNH.

What stopped me from buying either of those was the cost of spare mags for either. Plus I liked all the extra cool stuff I could put on my Glock

bac1023
01-31-2012, 21:10
PPQ
Everything else is now outdated! :cool:

That does seem to be a great pistol.

Six4Sure
01-31-2012, 21:16
If talking polymers, S&W M&Ps seem to be the big rival right now. I got to hold a Walther PPQ the other day and I was amazed. The grip is awesome and the trigger is the best out of any polymer I have tried.

A friend has a XD, and i have to say I am not impressed. Nothing about the pistol made me think I would have one over a Glock. I have not gotten to see a XDM though, maybe they are better.

If talking any handguns I dont think Glock has the same premium standing as say an high end 1911, H&K or a high end S&W Perf Center revolver. You cant forget about classic Hi-Powers either.

Not to say the Glock is an econobox of a pistol, they are what a S&W revolver used to be; the go to gun. Its resonably priced, utterly reliable and will be around forever. It is just more of a business gun than a BBQ gun.

bama_glock
01-31-2012, 21:17
Sig hands down

silverado
01-31-2012, 21:52
Love these topics. There is no answer. Every one likes diff things in handguns. For me the 1911 is king, next a Hi Power. With that said I think in the affordable polymer world M&P is hard to beat. Had the Glocks, eight to be exact. None now.

SK2344
01-31-2012, 23:03
If Glock were not an option, what would be the next brand pistol you would buy? No model's needed, just brand. Unless you want to post that too.

If there was no Glock, I would still have my Walther PPS. My EDC is the G36 so I would have to decide on a .45 for every day carry which would take me some time to decide. What a dilemma it would be for me because I have 4 Glocks! Just don't know!

NIB
01-31-2012, 23:06
Exactly. Im waiting to hear what an HK can do that a Glock can not. Other than make a gun snob feel special. Where are the torture/abuse tests that HK passes that Glock fails? Where is the justification for double the price, other than it has a bunch more parts? most of which have to be "fitted" like the gun was designed in 1911. Thats really why it costs so much. Its just overcomplicated and overengineered.


Show me where it says that HK parts have to be fitted.

whoops dude
01-31-2012, 23:06
I'm thinking fnh, sig and springfield in no particular order.

LEAD
02-01-2012, 08:50
Ok some of you prefer Hks to Glocks and some of you feel Hk isn't significantly better; this is an opinion question, not a debate.

Feanor
02-01-2012, 14:32
Why bother, no matter what is presented you will always think your Glock is better.


And another one bites the dust. Oh, BTW, here's an uncomfy bit of humble pie for you to choke on,
FAQ’s with Larry Vickers

1. What pistol do you typically use in your classes?

I like to use whatever is the most common pistol in that particular class. Sometimes that is hard to figure out in advance but it most often means I am using a Glock – what I call the universal service pistol. I am a big fan of both the G17 and G19 in 9mm and that is what I use. At times i will use a 1911 if requested to do so or if it is a 1911 operator class. However i do at times get bored and want to shoot something different so I will bring a pistol like the HK P30. I feel the instructor should be shooting a handgun the students can relate to with only custom modifications that make sense, not a tricked out race gun that no one would carry into harms way. Seen that movie from some IPSC shooting instructors years ago and it was unprofessional then, and still is.

bac1023
02-01-2012, 14:44
Ok some of you prefer Hks to Glocks and some of you feel Hk isn't significantly better; this is an opinion question, not a debate.

Differences of opinion around here almost always lead to debate. :tongueout:

mrsurfboard
02-01-2012, 14:53
And another one bites the dust. Oh, BTW, here's an uncomfy bit of humble pie for you to choke on,

Larry Vickers promotes who ever is paying him at the time.

cheapshot
02-01-2012, 18:11
Uh, I along with many other people I know can fix just about anything that goes wrong on a glock. there is nothing wrong with aftermarket sights, but its sad that you get those fake night sights with a one thousand dollar pistol. Safeties and decockers are easy to "master". Like I said, Id just rather not have extra steps if I dont need to in a defensive handgun. Like I said, alot of HK fanboys are just caught up in the image HK represents. Its not really anything but that. They are far less practical guns. Its not about being the best in the world, its about whats best for the end user. Most of the time, Glock is a better choice than HK. That is why there are so many more Glocks out there in duty holsters than HK. If you wanna go around thinking your $1000 HK pistol can do something my $450 Glock can't, go ahead but you'd be wrong.
Careful! You'll be accused of "trolling".:rofl:

Feanor
02-01-2012, 19:00
Larry Vickers promotes who ever is paying him at the time.

Back for more are you? Have you manufactured any relevant data, or is to be more "na na na na!"

glock_collector
02-01-2012, 19:16
No Glock,eh? The only logical choice is a wristrocket, Gen 2 or 1...full leather pouch,medical grade rubber and some talc powder to keep er from crack'in..

CDR_Glock
02-01-2012, 19:37
I would have to say FN Herstal for polymers.




Lifetime NRA Member

Dawolf
02-01-2012, 20:05
SIG a no brainer.

Samned2003
02-01-2012, 21:53
CZ all the way!!!
Samned2003

Glock 1
02-02-2012, 18:38
I know it seems like a broad question and that is because I removed the rest of the post. After the first post i figured I might have opened a can of worms that I did not intend. I can deal with the brand debate because I know we all have our favorites. Nothing wrong with that.

I was asking because I was considering narrowing my inventory down to a few key brands. I can see that is not an option now.

I can tell by reading all your posts that I must appeal to the masses and the masses don't all want one gun. Many of you have mentioned that as well.

Thank you for your feedback. You have shown me what I need to do.

Nestor
02-02-2012, 18:41
Durex last longer.

checkyoursix
02-02-2012, 20:37
Walther is way better than Glock, albeit with less models. Many have mantioned the PPQ, but let's not forget the fantastic if less popular P99 AS, and the amazing ultra slim PPS.

Beretta, H&K, Sig, Fn, many brands are above Glocks in terms of quality. In terms of sales/marketing and ability to understand the American market Glock is WAY up there, second to none. That doesn't magically transform their pistols, it just means they sell more of them.

d90king
02-04-2012, 06:22
Hk :tongueout:

JaPes
02-04-2012, 06:26
Beretta

Sheepdog Scout
02-04-2012, 06:29
I own a couple Glocks. But, I can think of several brands that are better than Glock. There's Beretta, CZ, Walther, FNH, Steyr.......

Sheepdog Scout
02-04-2012, 06:35
Springfield - That make great guns. I like the "feeling" of the guns. Springfield does a good job!

If you're talking 1911s, then sure. They make some good to decent 1911s. But if you are talking their XD/XDm line, they don't make those. HS Produkt out of Croatia designs/designed and manufactures all the XD guns for Springfield. Springfield simply throws their logo on them.

Giving Springfield the credit for the XD/XDm is like giving me the credit for creating Christmas.