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Brooklyn123456
01-31-2012, 18:43
NYPD: Off-duty cop kills mugger in Brooklyn
Second suspect flees but is later arrested

By Dan Beekman AND Rocco Parascandola — Tuesday, January 31st, 2012 ‘The New York Daily News’





An off-duty police detective shot a 17-year-old mugger dead in Brooklyn Sunday after the youth attacked him with a cane, authorities said.


The dead teen’s 15-year-old accomplice fled the scene but was later arrested, cops said.


Police sources said Detective Benjamin Cintron, a 26-year veteran, appears to have used justifiable force in shooting Antoine White.


The two teens tailed the 50-year-old detective for more than a block as he walked to the subway in Bushwick en route to his assignment at Brooklyn North Nightwatch.


Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne, the NYPD's top spokesman, said the fatal confrontation unfolded in a matter of seconds about 11:50 p.m. on Grove St. The 15-year-old grabbed the detective's arm from behind and indicated he had a gun in his jacket pocket, Browne said.


"As the (detective) is looking behind him, he's suddenly confronted by somebody in front of him who he doesn't see until he's just there," Browne said.


"Run your pockets!" White yelled, using slang for empty your pockets.


As Cintron did that, White struck the slightly built detective in the face with cane, Browne said.


The officer takes out his shield and off-duty 38-caliber, five-shot Smith and Wesson and instructs White to stop and to drop it, meaning the cane," Browne said. "(White’s) advancing on him. The officer fires once."


The bullet entered and exited White's left forearm then struck him in the left chest. He died at nearby Woodhull Hospital.


The 15-year-old ignored Cintron's commands to stop and ran off. But police later identified him and asked his grandmother to turn him in.


Browne said the boy told police they picked on the detective because of his size 5foot-6 and 155 pounds.


"He was viewed potentially as an easy mark," Browne said.


The 83rd Precinct incident marked the third time this month that cops have fatally shot someone in Brooklyn.


Police killed gun-toting carjacker Christopher Kissane in Cypress Hills on Jan. 26.


On Jan. 12, police shot and killed Duane Browne behind his East New York home. It was discovered later that he was packing heat to defend his half-brother, a suspected drug dealer who was being robbed at gunpoint.



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cowboy1964
01-31-2012, 19:39
Shot placement + good ammo

2afreedom
02-01-2012, 14:35
This incident gives me new respect for the .38. Glad the detective is okay.

Tiro Fijo
02-01-2012, 15:32
The Short Barrel loads are certainly wonderful. I carry them in a Colt Dick Special. Extremely accurate as well.

muscogee
02-01-2012, 18:14
The 38 Special is seriously underrated.

pistoleer
02-01-2012, 18:28
Wow I thought they completely phased out their revolvers years ago even for off duty use, but since he is an old timer I guess that explains it.
This post also gives me more faith in the 38spl granted I always considered a 1 shot stop to be a 1 shot instant kill. Who knows how long it took for the kid to bleed to death.

Tiro Fijo
02-01-2012, 19:08
...I always considered a 1 shot stop to be a 1 shot instant kill. Who knows how long it took for the kid to bleed to death.


Who cares as long as they cease & desist. That is why one shoots to "stop" and not necessarily kill, although that sometimes is how the dance ends. :whistling:

Berto
02-01-2012, 19:12
Out dated .38sp, no less.

WiskyT
02-01-2012, 20:07
I wonder if we know for certain that it was the GDHP round. We know it's a 38, and NYPD issues the GDHP round for the few codgers around that still carry 38's on duty, but this particular gun could have been loaded with older ammo he had left over from before the GDHP days.

chugokujin
02-01-2012, 23:24
Its for certain that its the GDHP. The old Federal Nyclad 158grainers have been phased out for years. NO way he would carry it as he would be opening a lhuge legal can of worms. The ammo distruted during yearly re-quals is current duty load.

janice6
02-01-2012, 23:46
"Slow but sure moves the might of the gods"

Respect them.

Brucev
02-02-2012, 07:34
"The bullet entered and exited White's left forearm then struck him in the left chest. He died at nearby Woodhull Hospital." Interesting given the short barreled .38 Special revolver and the less than heavy bullet.

pistoleer
02-20-2012, 17:55
"The bullet entered and exited White's left forearm then struck him in the left chest. He died at nearby Woodhull Hospital." Interesting given the short barreled .38 Special revolver and the less than heavy bullet.

Nothing says how big this kid was. Maybe it went through his scrawny forearm or maybe he had a lot of meat on his forearm and it never even hit bone before entering his chest.

BFN
02-20-2012, 22:13
The 135 gr +P Gold Dot is my favorite 38sp round for carry. I prefer 45 ACP, but the 38sp has definately proven itself to do the job. I carry the 38sp when mowing the lawn or other work around the house when I want something lighter.

writwing
02-25-2012, 16:14
Interesting. A non-leo would have been charged in many districts.

WiskyT
02-25-2012, 17:19
Interesting. A non-leo would have been charged in many districts.

http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/112010/main-troll.jpg

2afreedom
02-26-2012, 17:55
Interesting. A non-leo would have been charged in many districts.

As much as I believe you are probably trolling, care to articulate why an older, "slightly built" male would be charged for shooting one of two young, apparently stronger males, who were robbing him and attacking him with a deadly weapon?

rwrjr
02-27-2012, 14:00
As much as I believe you are probably trolling, care to articulate why an older, "slightly built" male would be charged for shooting one of two young, apparently stronger males, who were robbing him and attacking him with a deadly weapon?

What city did this happen in again?

Glockbuster
02-27-2012, 15:13
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EMTCOP
02-27-2012, 15:47
Interesting. A non-leo would have been charged in many districts.

This is certainly troll behavior, but I will address the post anyway....

The shooting COULD ( I say "could" because I wasn't there, and don't have all the information that NYPD has. ) have been justified because of two issues. The first issue is that one of the suspects was armed with a weapon that could cause death or great bodily injury.

The second issue is something called "disparity of force." This applies because the detective was outnumbered, and due to his small stature, was in danger of death or great bodily injury.

On the face of it, it sounds like a good shoot to me. If you play stupid games, be prepared to win stupid prizes.

rwrjr
02-28-2012, 08:02
This is certainly troll behavior, but I will address the post anyway....

Absolutely not troll behavior. Remember this took place in NYC. Not exactly a gun friendly city and certainly not a shall issue location.

I agree writwing, a non-leo, in NYC, even in a clearly life threatening defensive shoot, might be charged with something. Carrying/possession without a permit or something similar. LEO types shouldn't get their panties in a bunch and start throwing around the troll word. LEO typically get the benefit of the doubt that average Joe might not. Plus you're allowed to carry 24x7, no questions asked. It all depends on where you live and what *********s are making the laws, and what other *********s are choosing what and whom to prosecute. To suggest otherwise is ignoring reality.

Ak.Hiker
03-01-2012, 08:22
I like the fact that police officers carry when off duty. Makes it that much safer for the good guys. You never know what the need may be.