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DrtyHarry
02-01-2012, 17:20
Hi guys!


I have these two rather old 1911s. One is .45 and the other is .38 Super. I have never seen another .38 Super that is this old...and come to think of it, I don't think I've handled an older .45 1911. And no, the .38 Super doesn't have the Swartz (sp) safety.

The .45 has had some upgrades in order to safely fire...I had an AD with it and needed to fix a few things. I'm going to put it all back to stock. I still have all the original parts, all I am missing is one of the original wooden grips (left). If you guys have an idea, I'd like to hear what you have to say. Any information on either of them would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and when I stripped both pistols, they all have the right stamps in the right places. Thank you gentlemen.



Harry


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MajorD
02-01-2012, 18:05
gi gun is reblued and has been modified with aftermarket hammer grip safety and trigger- it is now a 4-500 gun at best. If it had not been reblued (even if it was zero finish) and had no modifications it would have been a 1k gun.
don't know lots about 38 supers,but can't see enough of the frame markings to be sure

DrtyHarry
02-01-2012, 18:12
gi gun is reblued and has been modified with aftermarket hammer grip safety and trigger- it is now a 4-500 gun at best. If it had not been reblued (even if it was zero finish) and had no modifications it would have been a 1k gun.
don't know lots about 38 supers,but can't see enough of the frame markings to be sure

Yeah, I put the extras on the .45 a long while back after the AD....but like I said, I still have all the original parts. I'm not sure if it has been reblued...I have other guns that have been reblued and the stampings are harder to read....or maybe I should say not as sharp as the original finish. The .45 has some wear, but the stampings are still rather clean and sharp and the slide and frame match in terms of wear/color. How can you tell if it's been reblued from afar? Thanks!!


Harry

Jim Watson
02-01-2012, 19:46
How can you tell if it's been reblued from afar?

Because it's SHINY.
Even before the finish got really dull with the Black Army of 350000 and later, the wartime military Colts had a lot of sanding marks showing. This one is just too smooth.
Also, the magazine catch hole, right side, is noticeably dished. The pinholes and roll marks aren't bad, but the buffer got a little careless in that spot.


The Super looks original, slightly used. If the sn is 74334 it was made in 1949 which agrees with the plastic grips. Don't leave the grips off the gun. When unsupported they tend to shrink and can get to where they will not go back on.

bac1023
02-01-2012, 19:50
The mods killed the value of the US Army 1911.

DrtyHarry
02-01-2012, 20:15
Because it's SHINY.
Even before the finish got really dull with the Black Army of 350000 and later, the wartime military Colts had a lot of sanding marks showing. This one is just too smooth.
Also, the magazine catch hole, right side, is noticeably dished. The pinholes and roll marks aren't bad, but the buffer got a little careless in that spot.


The Super looks original, slightly used. If the sn is 74334 it was made in 1949 which agrees with the plastic grips. Don't leave the grips off the gun. When unsupported they tend to shrink and can get to where they will not go back on.

Thanks for your reply. Since I only have one of the original grips, I vac sealed it until I find another. Not sure how it got reblued, I just thought my grandfather had kept it in very good condition. When I was a teen, I messed around with it a lot and I put some scratches on it by accident...it was my first gun and I really enjoyed learning how to field strip it and clean it. I'm going to take it to my local gunsmith and see what it says. Thanks!


The mods killed the value of the US Army 1911.

Bac, I have all the parts minus the left wooden grip. I can put it back to it's original form in just a few moments time. I won't fire it if I do so, ever since the AD. I put the magazine in the pistol, and when I racked the slide....a bullet discharged. Not sure what caused it, so I replaced several parts and the problem was fixed. If I put everything back together and find a set of original grips....what kind of $$ would we be talking? My friend saw the .38 Super and offered me $1k. I turned it down....was that a mistake? Thanks guys!



Harry

glock2740
02-01-2012, 21:14
Hi guys!


I have these two rather old 1911s. One is .45 and the other is .38 Super. I have never seen another .38 Super that is this old...and come to think of it, I don't think I've handled an older .45 1911. And no, the .38 Super doesn't have the Swartz (sp) safety.

The .45 has had some upgrades in order to safely fire...I had an AD with it and needed to fix a few things. I'm going to put it all back to stock. I still have all the original parts, all I am missing is one of the original wooden grips (left). If you guys have an idea, I'd like to hear what you have to say. Any information on either of them would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and when I stripped both pistols, they all have the right stamps in the right places. Thank you gentlemen.



Harry


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Cool guns. :thumbsup:

fnfalman
02-01-2012, 21:46
My friend saw the .38 Super and offered me $1k. I turned it down....was that a mistake? Thanks guys!



Harry

Depends on how old that .38 Super is, it could worth more than $1000. It looks like a 1960s model. Early 1960s possibly. Got the serial number to check vintage with?

Nickpisp
02-02-2012, 09:03
Depends on how old that .38 Super is, it could worth more than $1000. It looks like a 1960s model. Early 1960s possibly. Got the serial number to check vintage with?


Since the serial number in the pic is "74334" my guess would be 1949.

DrtyHarry
02-02-2012, 11:29
Since the serial number in the pic is "74334" my guess would be 1949.

Good eye. Yes, that's the number. So this puppy was born way back in 1949? Wow!! Thanks for the info!




Harry