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ratf51
02-01-2012, 21:33
A few months ago a friend gave me some ammo, he had divested himself of his .357 revolver quite a while back but still had ammo. Amongst this ammo was a 50 round box of Winchester Silvertips, 110gr, .38 Special. There is no indication on the box that says that it is +p so I am assuming that it is not. Would this round be adequate for SD as a .38 Spec. load? Would it be better in a longer barrel or would it do for a snub? Or should I just consider it to be not worth consideration for any SD purpose and just enjoy it the next time I go shooting? Does anyone know what kind of velocity this round is loaded too? Thanks in advance...

barth
02-01-2012, 21:53
A few months ago a friend gave me some ammo, he had divested himself of his .357 revolver quite a while back but still had ammo. Amongst this ammo was a 50 round box of Winchester Silvertips, 110gr, .38 Special. There is no indication on the box that says that it is +p so I am assuming that it is not. Would this round be adequate for SD as a .38 Spec. load? Would it be better in a longer barrel or would it do for a snub? Or should I just consider it to be not worth consideration for any SD purpose and just enjoy it the next time I go shooting? Does anyone know what kind of velocity this round is loaded too? Thanks in advance...

Winchester Super-X Ammunition 38 Special 110 Grain Silvertip Hollow Point
Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 945 fps
Muzzle Energy: 218 ft. lbs.

Personally I prefer Speer GDHP 135 gr +P Short Barrel for my 38 snub nose.

ratf51
02-01-2012, 22:02
Winchester Super-X Ammunition 38 Special 110 Grain Silvertip Hollow Point
Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 945 fps
Muzzle Energy: 218 ft. lbs.

Personally I prefer Speer 135 gr +P Short Barrel for my 38 snub nose.

Thanks! Sounds like a mild load, actually. I really would have thought that a Silvertip load would have been loaded hotter than that. I'll just "shoot and enjoy" it next time I take my revolver out.

fastbolt
02-03-2012, 17:31
I use it as an alternate load for my 37-2 that's not rated for +P.

Now, Winchester has done some revision to the STHP line since the last time I received some info, so I don't know if the 110gr .38 Spl STHP bullet is different (hotpig might know), but when I received some Winchester Law Enforcement Handgun Duty Ammo Barrier Test Data from 2002, the 110gr .38 STHP was shown as follows:

X38S9HP .38 110gr STHP; test gun S&W 2" M60

MV - 805fps

Bare Gel - 11" pen/.54" exp
4 Layers of denim - 13.9"/.51"
Heavy Cloth - 10.5"/.53"
Wallboard - 11.35"/.36"
Plywood - 9.2"/.44"
Steel - 0"/.55"
Autoglass - 4.75"/.45"

Probably wouldn't be my first choice for having to defeat bony structures, intervening limbs, deeper angles, etc ... but I'd probably rather use it in a snub than a slightly lighter weight .380 that expanded.

For example, the RA380T .380 95gr did the following in the same tests:

MV - 1000fps (whether it was a test gun or test barrel wasn't listed)

Bare Gel - 7.65"/no exp results recorded
4 Layers of denim - 7.95"/.64"
Heavy Cloth - 7.85"/.54"
Wallboard - 8.95"/.6"
Plywood - 15.5"/.36"
Steel - 9.3"/.36"
Autoglass - 4.5"/no exp results recorded

The X38SPD 158grLHP +P had the edge when it came to penetration, but the expansion only ran from .36 - ..48", except in the autoglass test, where it did 7.1"/.63"

Personally, since I can shoot the +P loads well, I tend to carry my +P rated J's loaded with either the Speer 135gr GDHP +P or the Winchester 130gr RA38B +P (which is the bonded bullet load sold commercially as the PDX1, except it comes in tan ranger 50-rd boxes instead of the fancy 20-rd boxes).

I don't carry my 37-2 very often, although it sees some range time upon occasion with standard pressure loads. I think I still have some of the PD38HS3H .38 Special 110gr Hydra-Shok® JHP Premium® Personal Defense® loads set aside for my 37-2, too, as the other standard pressure carry load. If I ever come across some of the new standard pressure Nyclad HP .38 Spl 125gr load again, I'll probably pick some up, as I used to carry it (and the +P version) in my steel J's many years ago.

ratf51
02-03-2012, 19:07
Thanks for the info. I may not rush to shoot it up now.

Merkavaboy
02-03-2012, 19:30
Fastbolt, nearly all of the Win STHP bullets have been redesigned, including the 38Spl 110 and 125+P.

First Gen design in 38Spl (95, 110 & 125grs) used aluminum for the bullet jacket. 2nd Gen now uses a nickel plated copper jacket with a wider deeper HP cavity and very noticable jacket skives at the mouth of the HP.

ratf51
02-04-2012, 17:54
Fastbolt, nearly all of the Win STHP bullets have been redesigned, including the 38Spl 110 and 125+P.

First Gen design in 38Spl (95, 110 & 125grs) used aluminum for the bullet jacket. 2nd Gen now uses a nickel plated copper jacket with a wider deeper HP cavity and very noticable jacket skives at the mouth of the HP.

I think that this is a box of first generation Silvertips-- the jacket looks like it's aluminum and from looking at the box I would call it 15-20 years old. Just a guess as to age on my part. Any idea when they introduced the 2nd generation?

fastbolt
02-04-2012, 18:42
I think that this is a box of first generation Silvertips-- the jacket looks like it's aluminum and from looking at the box I would call it 15-20 years old. Just a guess as to age on my part. Any idea when they introduced the 2nd generation?

Looking at some notes from various gel events, I think it was back in '04 the rep told me about their revision of the STHP line.

ratf51
02-04-2012, 20:28
I feel pretty certain that his box predates 2004 by several years at least.

firefighter4215
02-04-2012, 20:34
I chrono'd some of those once out of my 642. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I do remember that the extreme spread for a 5 shot group was 65-70 fps. That seemed kind of excessive for expensive factory ammo. I'm not sure how old that ammo was, but I don't think it was too awful old.

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bambikilr
02-11-2012, 17:08
good to go out of a snub, shot it alot about 20years ago, good SD round