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Marcus71
02-03-2012, 08:51
Hi everyone

Been hanging in general glocking for a while but first post here in 1911. Greetings to you all.

Anyway, I've reached the inevitable moment when it's time to add a 1911 (in 45ACP) to the collection. I've read through the Buyers Guide a few times on 1911 Addicts a few times.

My shooting buddy has a few 1911s that I've shot - a Para that I wasn't really feeling the vibe with and the slide kept sticking and a Kimber Pro Carry II that I shoot better than any gun I've ever had in my hands, so at the moment I'm leaning towards a Kimber as it handles superbly for me, but looking for other advice too as I know they do have their detractors and wouldn't buy a gun just for Koolaid purposes.

This will be a range/target gun not a carry gun so I'd probably choose a steel frame as weight is not a factor. Barrel-wise I'm open on 4" or 5". My budget is $900-1000.

My current picks in the Kimber line are Stainless II (or Stainless Target II) or Pro Carry HD II. Should I be looking at a Springfield Loaded too?

Any other suggestions and advice welcome

Cheers
Mark

KillStick
02-03-2012, 08:53
My best advice, turn away and just start running. Its a terrible terrible disease that once you contract it, it will suck your bank account dry. Trust me just start running and don't stop till you get to Smyrna, Georgia.

knedrgr
02-03-2012, 10:57
Don't get one...













Springfield Range Officer.

craig19
02-03-2012, 11:00
I would advoid Para at all costs, same with Taurus. In your price range you should also check out STI and Springfield in addition to Kimber.

jrs93accord
02-03-2012, 11:56
Choices, where to start? There are a lot of good 1911s out there in that price range. Several that are much cheaper in price. The Kimbers are fine pistols. I own about 16 of them. I carry a Stainless Pro Carry II. For a Range/Target pistol, you may also want to consider a few others. For instance.....

Remington 1911-R1 Enhanced
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-14.jpg

STI SPARTAN
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/002-24.jpg

American Classic Trophy
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-5.jpg

RUGER SR1911
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/0011.jpg

DESERT EAGLE 1911-G
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/004-10.jpg

Kimber Eclipse (if you can find one)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/003-6.jpg

These are just a few of the many choices

glock2740
02-03-2012, 11:57
The Kimber TLE has alot of features that are desired on a 1911. Just beware, once you get a 1911, it won't be your last. :cool:

plouffedaddy
02-03-2012, 13:09
Here's my Kimber experience:
http://gunreviewguy.blogspot.com/2012/01/kimber-ultra-carry-ii-review.html

Others have had awesome Kimbers, but the above story is what I dealt with. I'll never buy another.

Now, in your price range, my vote goes for a Springfield Loaded model. They have tons of models (I currently have 3 :supergrin:), most with factory night sights. My recommendation would be the black stainless models; the photos don't do them justice. They're beautiful production guns.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0615.jpg


I've also had very good experiences with Smith and Wesson 1911s, but mine have all been E-Series models so they'd be a tad over your budget:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0721.jpg

If you're used to Glocks with their out of the box reliabiliy you may be dissapointed with your 1911. Don't get me wrong, MANY are extremely reliable, but quite a few aren't without a little tuning (especially extractor tension). That's why I'd go with a company with a reputation for great customer service. I've had very positive experiences with S&W, Springfield, and RIA customer service when it comes to 1911 manufactures.

jrs93accord
02-03-2012, 13:56
Here's my Kimber experience:
http://gunreviewguy.blogspot.com/2012/01/kimber-ultra-carry-ii-review.html

Others have had awesome Kimbers, but the above story is what I dealt with. I'll never buy another.

Now, in your price range, my vote goes for a Springfield Loaded model. They have tons of models (I currently have 3 :supergrin:), most with factory night sights. My recommendation would be the black stainless models; the photos don't do them justice. They're beautiful production guns.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0615.jpg

............

I completely forgot about the Springfield Loaded Target. It will close to your max price unless you can find a really nice used one like I did.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-15.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/002-16.jpg

Marcus71
02-03-2012, 14:06
Wow, thanks for all the replies guys! Lots of recommendations there. And thanks for the addiction warnings too :cool:

The only one I've had direct experience of is the Ruger SR1911 that a guy at the range had - a few of us shot it and none of us were particularly accurate with it - I didn't feel it handled as nicely as some others.

Am going to the range tomorrow and am going to rent a few and see how things pan out. Do like the look of the Kimber Eclipse (might be a bit pricey though) & black stainless SA Loaded!

Any more recommendations, keep them coming!

Happy shooting.

jrs93accord
02-03-2012, 14:30
Wow, thanks for all the replies guys! Lots of recommendations there. And thanks for the addiction warnings too :cool:

The only one I've had direct experience of is the Ruger SR1911 that a guy at the range had - a few of us shot it and none of us were particularly accurate with it - I didn't feel it handled as nicely as some others.

Am going to the range tomorrow and am going to rent a few and see how things pan out. Do like the look of the Kimber Eclipse (might be a bit pricey though) & black stainless SA Loaded!

Any more recommendations, keep them coming!

Happy shooting.

Good luck and keep us posted. BTW, 1911s are not all that addictive. I only have 81 of them. :supergrin:

shatteringstar
02-03-2012, 16:22
i dont own one yet, but the STI's are really attracting my attention lately.

John Eastwood
02-03-2012, 16:39
For your 1st 1911, why not go 100% American? I did and I'm damn glad.

S&W E-Series 1911

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc476/JohnEastwood/Santa1911.jpg

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc476/JohnEastwood/BLET19279.jpg

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc476/JohnEastwood/Smith1911-3.jpg

bac1023
02-03-2012, 20:18
STI Trojan :cool:

Its the perfect $1000 range 1911.

20South
02-03-2012, 21:38
Not to start the "few dollars more" comments, but here is a Doublestar on GB for $1099.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=272143153

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/272143000/272143153/pix182194686.jpg

Lew-G17
02-04-2012, 04:09
The Kimber TLE has alot of features that are desired on a 1911. Just beware, once you get a 1911, it won't be your last. :cool:

I had one of these for quite a while. It gave excellent service and was very accurate.

I have also had great experiences with 1911's by Colt, Springfield, and STI.

There are a lot of 1911's on the market now in your price range, try out as many as you can, but heed the warnings above, this will not be your last 1911 purchase.

I have recently cut back and still have several.

glockarmor
02-04-2012, 13:59
Kimber Gen I would be my choice.

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/mp45c/SteelCompact.jpg

cole
02-04-2012, 22:34
STI Trojan :cool:

Its the perfect $1000 range 1911.

Agreed at that price range. I like the Ruger (all around) and SA Range Officer (target) around $700. In the SA I'll only buy a MN serial # gun, which the SA RO is. At $400-$450 it's the ATI. I do not consider a Kimber II a good value any longer, though I have a Kimber I that I really like. The 1911 is a "price point ~ value" gun more than many/most. You can over pay at a given price point and you might as well move up $200-$300 and get a lot more gun. And, when you hit $1500-$1700 IMO the Les Bear is a hard value to beat until crossing $2500, when IMO it becomes harder and harder to tell the difference anyway. You may have to consider used to get my prices, which is about all I buy.

Marcus71
02-05-2012, 17:49
Evening Gents.

Thanks for all the recommendations, spent the day yesterday and afternoon today at various gun shops and ranges and the decision is looking a bit clearer.

Was lucky to get a really knowledgeable and helpful 1911 enthusiast associate at Bill's in Robbinsdale MN who, despite the shop being really busy, spent over an hour going through different models and offering thoughts and advice. I looked at all models recommended her that they had in stock but narrowed it down to the Kimber and SA Loaded. The STI Trojan nearly made the list too but have that earmarked for a future buy - do you guys agree with the associate's suggestion that it's a great gun but not necessarily the best 'first purchase 1911' for someone who isn't familiar with tinkering with internals?

Anyway, off to the range downstairs with a SA Loaded and a Kimber Gold Match (closest rental they had to the custom series). 50 rounds through each, they both handled beautifully but the kimber won on accuracy - my groups were consistent and significantly tighter than with the SA. I also preferred the trigger, sights and slightly less perceived recoil of the Kimber.

So after much wailing and gnashing of teeth I think I'm sold on a Kimber but undecided as to which model. I looked at an Eclipse today which is a stunning gun but over my budget - $1175 for the non-target model. My thoughts at this stage are with the stainless target II (at $970)on the basis that that fundamentally there is seemingly little (if any) difference in the internals in the kimbers, with just the cosmetics/finish & sights being the difference in prices. At this stage it's going to be a range gun so night sites, different grips or bling etc. can be added later.

Or do I go for a custom and add different (better?) sights than are included with the target models? Or bite the bullet and go for the eclipse?

Thanks again all for the recommendations!

Cheers
Mark

jrs93accord
02-05-2012, 18:05
Mark,

Even though the the Classic Gold Match is a rental pistol, see if they would sell it to you for a good price. It is a fine pistol. I have one and it is absolutely astonishing.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00753.jpg

If you prefer to go with the Stainless Target II, you would still be making a good choice. That is a good price for that model too. Let us know what you decide. To me, buying a Kimber is a good choice.

James

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/001-9.jpg

Plus this one.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-8.jpg

Marcus71
02-05-2012, 21:31
Even though the the Classic Gold Match is a rental pistol, see if they would sell it to you for a good price. It is a fine pistol. I have one and it is absolutely astonishing.
Good idea James, will see if there is a chance of them selling it.

That's a very nice collection of Kimbers you have there! :cool:

Cheers
Mark

cole
02-05-2012, 23:49
... narrowed it down to the Kimber and SA Loaded. The STI Trojan nearly made the list too but have that earmarked for a future buy - do you guys agree with the associate's suggestion that it's a great gun but not necessarily the best 'first purchase 1911' for someone who isn't familiar with tinkering with internals?
... the kimber won on accuracy - my groups were consistent and significantly tighter than with the SA. I also preferred the trigger, sights and slightly less perceived recoil of the Kimber.
... I think I'm sold on a Kimber but undecided as to which model. I looked at an Eclipse today which is a stunning gun but over my budget - $1175 for the non-target model. My thoughts at this stage are with the stainless target II (at $970)on the basis that that fundamentally there is seemingly little (if any) difference in the internals in the kimbers, with just the cosmetics/finish & sights being the difference in prices. At this stage it's going to be a range gun so night sites, different grips or bling etc. can be added later.

Or do I go for a custom and add different (better?) sights than are included with the target models? Or bite the bullet and go for the eclipse?

Thanks again all for the recommendations!

Cheers
Mark

I do not want to pee on your party, but, since you asked, IMO a Kimber II at $1000 is not the best choice/value in a 1911 unless it's the CDP Compact/Ultra for carry. That's me. And, I'm not a huge fan of the SA Loaded (owned one) unless the serial number starts in "NM". If you've not yet considered it, think about the SA Ranger Officer (serial number starts with "NM"). The ones I've handled are very well fit and finished. I'd get the Trojan (handled a few, shot one) over the Kimber II (owned one) as the ones I've handled are better fit and finished than many Kimbers and lack FPB internals. My Kimber I Compact is a great 1911 and lacks the Series II FPB. But, for $1000 I'd get a better 1911 than the Kimber II and ideas have been shared here. And, for well under $500 the ATI is hard to beat IMO.

ca survivor
02-06-2012, 06:45
I do not want to pee on your party, but, since you asked, IMO a Kimber II at $1000 is not the best choice/value in a 1911 unless it's the CDP Compact/Ultra for carry. That's me. And, I'm not a huge fan of the SA Loaded (owned one) unless the serial number starts in "MN". If you've not yet considered it, think about the SA Ranger Officer (serial number starts with "MN"). The ones I've handled are very well fit and finished. I'd get the Trojan over the Kimber II (owned one) as the ones I've handled are better fit and finished than many Kimbers and lack FPB internals. My Kimber I Compact is a great 1911 and lacks the Series II FPB. But, for $1000 I'd get a better 1911 than the Kimber II and ideas have been shared here. And, for well under $500 the ATI is hard to beat IMO.
don't look for MN is....... NM :rofl:

Marcus71
02-06-2012, 09:01
Hi Cole

Thanks very much for the RO recommendation - I hadn't discounted it but out of the 5 gun shops I've visited, none had one I could play with and they didn't have one to rent at the indoor range either. It does have excellent reviews but would like to get my hands on one first if possible!

bac1023
02-06-2012, 09:10
Evening Gents.

Thanks for all the recommendations, spent the day yesterday and afternoon today at various gun shops and ranges and the decision is looking a bit clearer.

Was lucky to get a really knowledgeable and helpful 1911 enthusiast associate at Bill's in Robbinsdale MN who, despite the shop being really busy, spent over an hour going through different models and offering thoughts and advice. I looked at all models recommended her that they had in stock but narrowed it down to the Kimber and SA Loaded. The STI Trojan nearly made the list too but have that earmarked for a future buy - do you guys agree with the associate's suggestion that it's a great gun but not necessarily the best 'first purchase 1911' for someone who isn't familiar with tinkering with internals?

Anyway, off to the range downstairs with a SA Loaded and a Kimber Gold Match (closest rental they had to the custom series). 50 rounds through each, they both handled beautifully but the kimber won on accuracy - my groups were consistent and significantly tighter than with the SA. I also preferred the trigger, sights and slightly less perceived recoil of the Kimber.

So after much wailing and gnashing of teeth I think I'm sold on a Kimber but undecided as to which model. I looked at an Eclipse today which is a stunning gun but over my budget - $1175 for the non-target model. My thoughts at this stage are with the stainless target II (at $970)on the basis that that fundamentally there is seemingly little (if any) difference in the internals in the kimbers, with just the cosmetics/finish & sights being the difference in prices. At this stage it's going to be a range gun so night sites, different grips or bling etc. can be added later.

Or do I go for a custom and add different (better?) sights than are included with the target models? Or bite the bullet and go for the eclipse?

Thanks again all for the recommendations!

Cheers
Mark

I'm a big Kimber fan, but there's no way any Kimber other than the Gold Combat or Super Match is a better range 1911 than the STI Trojan. I'm not sure where the idea came from that the Trojan isn't a good choice for a first 1911, but I'll say that it blows away everything Kimber builds in the same price range or even a bit higher.

...just my 2 cents.

cole
02-06-2012, 10:36
don't look for MN is....... NM :rofl:

Oops. :embarassed: Thanks. For some reason I often reverse that darn acronym.

Marcus71
02-06-2012, 15:59
I'm a big Kimber fan, but there's no way any Kimber other than the Gold Combat or Super Match is a better range 1911 than the STI Trojan. I'm not sure where the idea came from that the Trojan isn't a good choice for a first 1911, but I'll say that it blows away everything Kimber builds in the same price range or even a bit higher.
I'm far from knowlegable on 1911s but I think what he was getting at was that they are great guns and very accurate but can require gunsmithing out of the box which might be off-putting or beyond the scope of a first time owner?

bac1023
02-06-2012, 20:09
I'm far from knowlegable on 1911s but I think what he was getting at was that they are great guns and very accurate but can require gunsmithing out of the box which might be off-putting or beyond the scope of a first time owner?

Nope.

STIs have as good a reputation for reliability as any 1911.

Wyoming
02-06-2012, 21:03
My best advice, turn away and just start running. Its a terrible terrible disease that once you contract it, it will suck your bank account dry. Trust me just start running and don't stop till you get to Smyrna, Georgia.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Did you ever wonder for such a good pistol one will never be enough. Look at us that been around for awhile. We don't own one! We are on Glock Talk talking about 1911's!

If we had the money we would have two of everything bac has!

Marcus71
02-06-2012, 21:44
Nope.

STIs have as good a reputation for reliability as any 1911.
Thank you Bac for your wise words, I think I have a new top pick!

bac1023
02-07-2012, 01:31
Thank you Bac for your wise words, I think I have a new top pick!

Very cool :cool:

DubfromGA
02-07-2012, 14:59
I've had outstanding results with my RO.

I'd like to add a 1911 in 22lr next.

My most carried gun & my most loved range gun:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/Dub007_photo/2011-05-17_08-08-54_58.jpg

carloglock19
02-07-2012, 15:53
This one has been good so far for a little under $700.
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd393/carlobal01/2011-12-17_19-23-12_484.jpg?t=1324169060