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Texanmile
02-04-2012, 09:04
What are the calibers you recommend "consolidating" around, and for what purpose? Here are my recommendations:

.22LR - Good for small game, cheap, compact, and lightweight to carry

.357/.38spl - versatile (all my guns would be .357) simplicity of use for revolver, mild loads for self defense 2 legged animals, powerful loads for 4 legged animals

9mm - prevalent cartridge, powerful enough... yet still small and cheaper than others

12 gauge - powerful, short-range, ability to use slugs/birdshot/buckshot for hunting all types of game


What am I missing???? Should I have another rifle caliber???? Are there any downsides to the above loads?

ratf51
02-04-2012, 09:20
A rifle caliber/cartridge that is adequate for hunting at least mid-size game (deer, wild hog, etc.). Most common would be (in most likelihood) .308, 30-06, 30-30. .223 is probably more common but I wouldn't feel comfortable with it in the deer-size game hunting role. Not saying that it cannot take deer-size game, just that it wouldn't be my first choice.

I don't think there are any down-sides to your current caliber set-up, they will all do what you want them too.

Unistat
02-04-2012, 09:22
I've basically decided to stock up the most common calibers civilian & military. I'm trying to strike a balance between diversity in case of shortages and simplicity of logistics.

An asterisk (*) means I've yet to buy a weapon in that caliber.

A pound (#) means that it's not really a common caliber, but for what ever reason I have a gun that shoots it so I stock it anyway. I'm going to try and not acquire any more firearms like this, but it's hard to resist a good deal.

.22 LR
.38 SPL
.357 MAG
9 MM*
.40 S&W
.45 ACP*
.410 GA#
5.56 NATO
7.62x39*
7.62x54R#
.308 WIN
12 GA

I agree with Ratf51, you could get something in a "battle rifle/serious hunting" caliber.

G23c
02-04-2012, 09:54
I'm consolidating to .22 LR, 7.62x39, 12g and .40.

Haldor
02-04-2012, 09:56
Ammo I keep decent levels of stock on hand at all times.

.22 LR
- 40g Blazer Brass
- 40g Minimag HP

9mm
- 115g WWB FMJ
- 124g Federal HST HP
- 124g +P Federal HST HP
- 147g WWB FMJ
- 147g Federal HST HP

5.56x45
- 55g XM193 FMJ

7.62 x51
- 147g Dag FMJ

.380 APC
- 95g WWB FMJ
- 90g Spear Gold Dot HP

12 gauge
- 2-3/4" Rifled slugs
- 2-3/4" #00 Buck
- 2-3/4" #6 High Brass Shot

20 gauge
- 2-3/4 Rifled slugs
- 2-3/4 #3 Buck
- 2-3/4 #6 High Brass Shot

We have quite a bit of other calibers, but don't target stocking levels for them (they are for fun rather than any kind of serious SHTF duty). I am running low on .22 Blazer Brass (down about 2K since we have been shooting a lot of .22 lately), just waiting for them to go on sale so I can stock up again.

Haldor
02-04-2012, 10:31
A rifle caliber/cartridge that is adequate for hunting at least mid-size game (deer, wild hog, etc.). Most common would be (in most likelihood) .308, 30-06, 30-30. .223 is probably more common but I wouldn't feel comfortable with it in the deer-size game hunting role. Not saying that it cannot take deer-size game, just that it wouldn't be my first choice.


Estimates are that poachers have taken more deer with .22LR (typically an eye shot at very close range) than all the legal hunters combined. .223 is not legal for sport hunting deer, but it is plenty of gun for harvesting deer in a SHTF situation.

My EOTWAWKI hunting rig is this Savage 24C, .22LR over 20 gauge. The .22 will be the primary hunting choice and the 20 gauge loaded with slugs is backup in case I need to put down dangerous game (hog, bear, big cat, feral cattle etc).

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I doubt I will be taking very many deer anyway (unless hunting for a large group). Rabbit sized game is going to plentiful pretty much everywhere.

M1A Shooter
02-04-2012, 12:11
i currently keep .22lr, .223, .308, 12ga, .380, 9mm, .38spl, and .357mag. i will be adding another .45acp soon and am debating a 7.62x39. also debating a .300blk since i have the .223 for brass and the .308 for common bullets already but i will wait to build that one as a SBR.

i also think its a good idea to keep plenty of componants if you reload as well. i am currently set up to reload 9mm, 45acp, .223, .308 and 12ga. need the revolver and .380 dies.

Turbo810
02-04-2012, 13:38
.22lr
9 mm
.45 acp
.223
12 gauge

UneasyRider
02-04-2012, 14:25
Concealed Carry:

9mm is a very common round and I like the low recoil and stopping power.
.380 for a larger caliber small size backup gun for close encounters. I don't feel I need a lot of this onhand.

Home/local defense:

.223 for a 30 round magazine in an AR or 7.62 for an AK would do just as well.

Hunting:

.22 for small game and general purposes has low cost for large quantities.
.308 for a bolt gun.

Why don't I list a shotgun?

1 The only thing missing is a bird gun so that would be ok if you live in that area.
2 While it's a good home defense weapon an AR or AK with a 30 round magazine is better IMHO.

Syclone538
02-04-2012, 15:07
Everyone needs one of
.22lr
9mm/.40/.45/.357/.44
.223/7.62x39/.308
12 ga./20 ga.

You could get by with just 4 if you wanted to.


While .357 out of a lever action is no joke, I agree with everyone that you need a rifle caliber.

On .223/5.56 on deer, I see no reason it wouldn't work with head/neck shots if the deer you are looking at is really big.




You might notice I do not like to talk specifically about what I have.

RMTactical
02-04-2012, 16:38
You gotta have a rifle caliber.

I would suggest 5.56, 7.62x39, and/or .308.

Texanmile
02-04-2012, 17:05
You might notice I do not like to talk specifically about what I have.

Touche...

Raiden
02-05-2012, 08:19
My personal "essentials" list is: .22LR, 9×19mm, 7.62×25mm (because I have so many pistols chambered for this), .223 and 2/3" 12ga shells. They feed the select firearms I would always want to have with me, come hell or high water.

However, I'm always looking out for good deals, and stocking up on just about everything. I figure they'd be very handy for barter, given the right circumstances. Around where one of my family bug out locations is, a number of folks own and hunt with budget-priced military surplus rifles. Even if I don't own any firearms chambered in 7.62x39mm, 7.92x57mm, or 7.62×54mmR - I have plenty of each. In a pinch, I suspect once could spend them like $1 ~ $5 bills.

G29Reload
02-05-2012, 14:29
.223 is not legal for sport hunting deer,

Incorrect.

Varies by state.

WV allows it, I believe. Some states say they allow "any centerfire caliber".

PA does too, but it can't be semi auto.

G29Reload
02-05-2012, 14:36
No matter what calibers you wish to consolidate to, I suggest you keep at least a box of every kind of ammo you're otherwise divesting yourself of.

Consolidate those in a separate ammo can.


Reason: Scrounge situations, whether battlefield or otherwise, may turn up a "found" or otherwise acquired weapon that you may be able to use but don't otherwise have ammo for. On the low end of probability, but could happen. And you still wouldn't place that weapon in front line service, but it might make for a nice spare or to arm some friendly compound visitor that turns up.

Its all about making operable something you stumble across in SHTF/TEOTWAWKI.

Similarly, don't ignore common calibers you don't stock!

If you are insistent that 9mm is all you'll ever need or want and does every possible thing in a sidearm that keeps you happy and you really dont give a rats about .45acp or 40SW, I'd still keep a box around of the latter two. Even if it becomes barter. Just sayin.

Haldor
02-05-2012, 14:45
Incorrect.

Varies by state.

WV allows it, I believe. Some states say they allow "any centerfire caliber".

PA does too, but it can't be semi auto.

Heck Ohio doesn't allow any centerfire caliber rifle (shotgun, BP, pistol or bow only) so we are SOL on that respect.

Most states require centerfire rifles chambered in a caliber larger than .229 in width for deer, however as you noted, a couple only require a center fire rifle. My own opinion is that .243 is about ideal for a deer cartridge, although if choosing an all around rifle for 48 states use, I would go for something in .270 or .280.

In SHTF this will all be a moot point. .22 LR for the win. The bigger cartridges should be reserved for dangerous targets.

ratf51
02-05-2012, 15:52
In SHTF this will all be a moot point. .22 LR for the win. The bigger cartridges should be reserved for dangerous targets.

Agreed. But I don't have the ninja skills to get within eye-socket range of a deer. I would readily use my .223 in a SHTF situation, but my first choice would still be my .308.

9mm +p+
02-05-2012, 16:00
Incorrect.

Varies by state.

WV allows it, I believe. Some states say they allow "any centerfire caliber".

PA does too, but it can't be semi auto.

So what, just because it's legal doesn't make it a deer round, by that line of reasoning a 17 rem or 22 hornet is a Deer round then?
22LR
22mag
9mm
357 or 44mag
7.62x39 or 51
30/06
No shotgun? I have a 12 ga. but it figures very little into my survival, ammo is huge and heavy and it is a shortrange round. Rimfires will feed us.

farmer-dave
02-05-2012, 16:19
Since everyone is leaving it out I'll ask you throw some 50bmg in there. I like api rounds.

SFCSMITH(RET)
02-06-2012, 09:36
Kentucky not only allows ANY centerfire rifle round for deer.. they also allow ANY centerfire PISTOL round... semi-auto is fine, 10 round mag limit.

I am carrying a .32ACP in the deer woods next year.

Not.. but darned if it wouldn't be "legal" to do so...

kirgi08
02-06-2012, 09:57
Get close enough and set the record.'08.

quake
02-06-2012, 10:57
…Here are my recommendations:
.22LR…
.357/.38spl…
9mm…
12 gauge
…Should I have another rifle caliber???? Are there any downsides to the above loads?
My first thought was “another rifle caliber?” I don’t see a true rifle caliber there. I’d include at least a good carbine caliber (.223, 7.62x39, etc), if not a full-on MBR caliber like a .308 or .30-06.

At the very least, I’d include a carbine in one or both of the centerfire handgun calibers in the list. Properly loaded, a 9mm carbine can surpass a .357 handgun and a .357 carbine can surpass a .44 magnum handgun.

syntaxerrorsix
02-06-2012, 18:10
I really only "stock" .22LR

I have basic loads for all my firearms but .22 will keep me fed and I can carry lots of it while on the move.

pmwglock19
02-06-2012, 21:22
I agree with syntaxerrorsix, I keep a lot of rounds of 22 lr, but I also keep a lot of 9mm.

JohnnyReb
02-07-2012, 05:52
The most important single caliber has to be the 22lr. Its cheap, you can stock tons of it in a small space, and it can be used to hunt or for self defense in a pinch (although not always ideal).

Everything else is secondary.

pugman
02-07-2012, 13:12
What I buy...and what I only buy.

9mm, .22LR, .38, .357, 12/20 gauge, .270

7.62x39 will be added shortly.

Unless plasma rifles in a 40 watt range or 10 mm explosive tipped caseless...standard light armor piercing rounds become available...I can't imagine me stocking any other caliber or gauge

TN.Frank
02-07-2012, 14:44
Incorrect.

Varies by state.

WV allows it, I believe. Some states say they allow "any centerfire caliber".

PA does too, but it can't be semi auto.

TN. just passed an "any centerfire caliber" for deer hunting. Personally, in a SHTF situation I'd use a 22lr if it was all that I had and a big ol' deer walked out in front of me. Heck, better choice would be a bow(crossbow, compound bow or recurved bow, take your pick.) since they're quiet and you can reuse your "ammo".
For SHTF stick with the "WalMart" calibers, i.e. 22lr, 38spl, 357Mag, 9x19mm, .223 Rem., 30-06, 308Win, 30/30Win, 12 and 20 Ga. and you'll do ok.

PrecisionRifleman
02-07-2012, 14:51
Add 300WM to the Wally world list

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runcible68
02-09-2012, 13:17
Lots of 9MM and 5.56. Abundant and easier to carry.

Kaceyx73
02-13-2012, 01:22
I agree that the 22lr is the preppers best friend for food. Having plenty of high quality rounds in stock is never a bad thing. Of course, I don't expect to be in a compound full of people right off the bat, so any meat I take that wasn't prepped ahead of time will be small game and birds. First choice is trapping, but if it isn't going well Im prepared to harvest as needed. Large game will be avoided until I can make use of large quantities of meat, unless I'm starving and all I see is deer.

22lr in standard rounds
17HMR in specialties, FMJ and Gamepoint. No plastic tips here, I don't need to waste meat.

12g slugs, buckshot, turkey, and bird
20g cause its good for the ladies to use
410 in slug and small game

10mm
9mm
In pistol, I am set up to reload for me and most common pistol cals, with dies, basic bullets, and common use powders.
38/357, 10mm/40, 45lc/acp, 9mm

I agree everyone needs an MBR. Sure, headshots up to 100yds out are possible with 22, but I'd rather not rely on it. I also don't think its quite as big a deal as some suggest, but I'd still prefer to ere on the side of caution. I think 7.62x39 is better for zombies with more knockdown, but if your problem is more of an official variety, you aren't likely to get around their "protection," without getting creative.

30-06/308/300WM best all around 4 legged hunters
223fmj can serve as a small game round and comes in one of the better platforms
7.62x39 better on deer at up to 100yds in a good rifle, and better on 2 legged critters, but lacks the range and pinpoint accuracy of other cartridges
There are lots of other great rifle rounds, take your pick. I still believe in having at least one in a good semi-auto platform.I can load most of these, but the powders aren't quite as general as with most pistols. Lots more specialized.

Aceman
02-13-2012, 08:03
.22
.38/.357
.9mm
.40
.45
Also maybe .380

.223
7.62x39
.308
.30-06
Also maybe .243, .270

12g
20g
Also maybe .410

My personal choices in bold. But most important is for whatever gun YOU have. I do have a couple boxes of .38, and .223 just in case....

I have to say keep to THE most common calibers. You have to play the odds here. And there is not a dang thing wrong with any of the common calibers.

Just depends if you want to go say .357 in a wheel and lever combo or 9mm in a Semi and an Uzi or whatever. But that's all personal choice.

PrecisionRifleman
02-13-2012, 09:42
I wouldn't worry to much about the common calibers really. Stock up a little on what you have whatever that may be, and there should be opportunity to aquire another firearm or ammo as you go.

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thesurefire
02-13-2012, 10:44
everybody should stock .22lr and 12 gauge.

pick either 9 or .45
pick either .223 or .308
pick one larger higher velocity long range round.

There is no need to stock 10 or 15 different kinds of ammo.

Finding another firearm or ammo is very, very unlikely. Its far better to just stock a few things and lots of them.

If you like shooting 100 different guns, fine, but for preps, pick your handgun platform and your rifle platform and stick to it. Its lots better to have 4 glock 19s and 4 similar ar15s then a smattering of one of everything under the sun. Standardization lets you stock mags, ammo, spare parts, cleaning supplies and accessories easily and cheaply.

UrbanCowboy
02-18-2012, 21:22
.22LR (cheap, light and great for small game)
9mm ( My favorite caliber especially if I had a G19, G26 and KT Sub 2000 for bugging out)
10mm (If I had a .45 that could take a 10mm conversion barrrel)
.45ACP (My preffered CCW round for everyday carry)
.38SPL (JIC)
7.62x39 ( I love Ak's especially underfolders and Mini Draco's)
.223 (JIC)
.308 ( You never know when you'll really need to go long range with something that has some balls)
12gauge bird shot and 000 Buck.

I'm not saying I have any of these calibers but in a "what if situation that's what I would want.

pmwglock19
02-19-2012, 09:44
I agree with Urban Cowboy on standardizing on common calibers, But I would buy what I have and not worry about having ammo for weapons I don't own.