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Texanmile
02-05-2012, 17:52
So... I don't think I am the type of person to "brag" or "show off" what I've done preparedness wise or with the firearms I own.... but, I have had a rude awakening that I have definitely said too much at some point and my spouse has probably also contributed (although, I am not blaming her at all, in fact we haven't even discussed the issue yet)

My neighbor not too long ago said based on our limited conversations, "Well I know where I'm coming if we ever need to hunker down a while! Har Har Har!"

...uh oh.

I really like firearms so it's hard for me not to talk about them with someone else who knows about them, but when I asked a casual friend the other day why he didn't have any guns even though he was in the military and knew about them... and why you need them. He said, "I know if things ever get really bad, there are people like you I can get stuff from. ***smile, pat on the back***"

...uh oh again. Bascially, the only way I see out of this is to hit the "reset" button when I move next, other than that... I things are good between now and then. Or... if it comes to the "3 meals missed" scenario... I may bug out to parent's with as much as I can fit in the truck.

So, what do you think fellas... spare no criticism (I know you won't, ha)

dvrdwn72
02-05-2012, 17:58
I tell no one, nothing.

jaklcrow
02-05-2012, 17:59
Not something I would be too worried about.

UneasyRider
02-05-2012, 18:09
"I'll just come to your house, you'll help me out" - tell them I'm trying to help you now, if there is big trouble my house will be locked up tight.

Tell them flat out that your family comes first but there's no problem, they have plenty of time to prepare.

And of course don't tell any other neighbors who are not on the program.

Fred Hansen
02-05-2012, 18:10
So, what do you think fellas... spare no criticism (I know you won't, ha) I think you are a liberal troll, and that you are here strictly to cause trouble.

Some of the more naive members got suckered into Bloomberg's Point, Click, Fire: An Investigation of Illegal Online Gun Sales, I would dissuade others from doing so. A majority of sellers approached by the team agreed to sell the weapons, including 82 percent of sellers approached on Craigslist and 78 percent of those on Glocktalk.com. Craigslist has a no-gun policy, and did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A spokesperson at Glocktalk could not immediately be reached. (http://www.dnainfo.com/20111214/manhattan/city-buys-arsenal-of-illegal-guns-online)

Texanmile
02-05-2012, 18:26
I think you are a liberal troll, and that you are here strictly to cause trouble.

Some of the more naive members got suckered into Bloomberg's Point, Click, Fire: An Investigation of Illegal Online Gun Sales, I would dissuade others from doing so.

I think that YOU are a troll... trying to get a rise out of me! :rofl:

Give me a break... I'm asking for advice for folks I know are on "my level". Tell me which of my posts are "trollish", none.

Fred Hansen
02-05-2012, 18:48
I think that YOU are a troll... trying to get a rise out of me! :rofl:

Give me a break... I'm asking for advice for folks I know are on "my level". Tell me which of my posts are "trollish", none.You play an Obommunist over in GTPI; is that just an act?

Fred Hansen
02-05-2012, 18:52
Originally Posted by Texanmile
Some folks don't even try to hide their racism anymore...


Originally Posted by SouthpawShooter

I'm just wondering; does it hurt to be as stupid as you are?

Oh, you have one of those special computers that allows you to see me!

You know what race I am, Nostra-dumbass? I'll give you a hint. The KKK turned down my application. /sarcasm.

It's ok. We all know that those who play the race card, aren't playing with a full deck!

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1399169&page=3And that's just one example.

UneasyRider
02-05-2012, 18:52
You play an Obommunist over in GTPI; is that just an act?

Are you kidding me? Anybody who is on the Obama band wagon at this point in time knows that he needs to prep big time. All his liberal neighbors are going to expect something for nothing and this time it's his something!

Fred Hansen
02-05-2012, 18:54
Are you kidding me? Anybody who is on the Obama band wagon at this point in time knows that he needs to prep big time. All his liberal neighbors are going to expect something for nothing and this time it's his something!That's racist! :rofl:

bobby_w
02-05-2012, 19:10
I had to tell my sister not to come here after a comment she made to me.

kirgi08
02-05-2012, 19:18
Easy folks.Were here ta help each other,let's leave politics outta it.JMHO.'08.

Texanmile
02-05-2012, 19:20
Guys like you keep normal folks away from these sites. Ask a question, and get an earful of ideological crap. You came in here, and found me just to talk #*%&. What am I supposed to gain from that...

jdavionic
02-05-2012, 19:28
Easy folks.Were here ta help each other,let's leave politics outta it.JMHO.'08.

+1 leave the politics in that section of GT.

As for the OP, one the horse has left the barn, I have no idea what you can do for damage control. Sure, you can cite your position about sharing if the topic comes up again. However I doubt it will be effective. When times get desparate, folks remember things like that and whether they believe you'll share or not...you should expect a visit.

Raiden
02-05-2012, 19:43
You really can't un-ring the bell, but you can at least try to contain the damage by downplaying your preparations. Casual jokes about how anemic your preps are can help. Due to my public involvement, it's hard to keep secret that I have disaster preparations. But, I've socially engineered the belief that I'll be long gone, leaving a trail of spent brass, if the SHTF. Even if it comes off as a joke, folks seem to genuinely believe I'll be 300 miles west at the first sign of trouble, which is fine by me. :thumbsup:

Fred Hansen
02-05-2012, 19:50
Easy folks.Were here ta help each other,let's leave politics outta it.JMHO.'08.So, what do you think fellas... spare no criticism (I know you won't, ha) He asked, I answered. I don't believe his intentions here are good.

If he doesn't like the answer, then he shouldn't ask the question. YMMV

lawman800
02-05-2012, 22:22
IBTL!

I also tell my friends who are assuming they can come by and get taken care of that they better bring some of their own stuff because while I am happy to provide security, I am not about to feed them too.

mj9mm
02-05-2012, 22:33
Guys like you keep normal folks away from these sites. Ask a question, and get an earful of ideological crap. You came in here, and found me just to talk #*%&. What am I supposed to gain from that...
first, normal people don't come around here, if you're here you are not normal and thats good.
second, if you are serious, that will be proven by your actions.
third, better get to know your neighbors so you can know who to trust, or don't get to know them and keep it that way.
good luck:embarassed:

TangoFoxtrot
02-05-2012, 22:37
So... I don't think I am the type of person to "brag" or "show off" what I've done preparedness wise or with the firearms I own.... but, I have had a rude awakening that I have definitely said too much at some point and my spouse has probably also contributed (although, I am not blaming her at all, in fact we haven't even discussed the issue yet)

My neighbor not too long ago said based on our limited conversations, "Well I know where I'm coming if we ever need to hunker down a while! Har Har Har!"

...uh oh.

I really like firearms so it's hard for me not to talk about them with someone else who knows about them, but when I asked a casual friend the other day why he didn't have any guns even though he was in the military and knew about them... and why you need them. He said, "I know if things ever get really bad, there are people like you I can get stuff from. ***smile, pat on the back***"

...uh oh again. Bascially, the only way I see out of this is to hit the "reset" button when I move next, other than that... I things are good between now and then. Or... if it comes to the "3 meals missed" scenario... I may bug out to parent's with as much as I can fit in the truck.

So, what do you think fellas... spare no criticism (I know you won't, ha)

Do what I did to my brother in law ..I simply said if they think they can even come near my place during an real emergency without any real assets to offer, I will shoot down you and anybody with you. Stay the **** away from us. What ever I have is for my wife and I....every man and woman for themselves. Sharing is not an option. Be blunt and brutely honest with people who think they can freeload. This is a serious preoblem with the sheep of society. You really screwed up and now all you can do is what I have done and do it fast so if it the SHTF they are not wowed by your actions. OPSEC is so very important.

walt cowan
02-06-2012, 07:24
Are you kidding me? Anybody who is on the Obama band wagon at this point in time knows that he needs to prep big time. All his liberal neighbors are going to expect something for nothing and this time it's his something!

thats why i call those folks zombies.

walt cowan
02-06-2012, 07:30
Do what I did to my brother in law ..I simply said if they think they can even come near my place during an real emergency without any real assets to offer, I will shoot down you and anybody with you. Stay the **** away from us. What ever I have is for my wife and I....every man and woman for themselves. Sharing is not an option. Be blunt and brutely honest with people who think they can freeload. This is a serious preoblem with the sheep of society. You really screwed up and now all you can do is what I have done and do it fast so if it the SHTF they are not wowed by your actions. OPSEC is so very important.

truth. :wavey: i have made it a point to tell folks " you come down that hill... you better show up with supplies, alot of them...if you show up empty handed...you'll be forced back up the hill naked.

TangoFoxtrot
02-06-2012, 07:32
truth. :wavey: i have made it a point to tell folks " you come down that hill... you better show up with supplies, alot of them...if you show up empty handed...you'll be forced back up the hill naked.

Hey that works too! :rofl:

Glockdude1
02-06-2012, 07:41
My neighbor not too long ago said based on our limited conversations, "Well I know where I'm coming if we ever need to hunker down a while! Har Har Har!"



My response: "You coming over to mow the lawn? You are not coming inside for any reason."

:cool:

SFCSMITH(RET)
02-06-2012, 07:48
Where the heck is that "cool story bro" thingie when you need it?

Once or twice people who knew/know me fairly well have made a joking comment about coming here.. I just laugh and point out they better wear kevlar undies. I think they get the hint...lol. I do like the idea of letting/helping them assume you are going to bug out.. when you don't plan to. Only downside I see is if they really are "something for nothing" types, they will show up anyways, just to see if you left anything they need/want.

smokeross
02-06-2012, 07:56
Tell them, "We're headed to your place. Hope you are stocked up. Har, Har, Har."

kirgi08
02-06-2012, 08:03
That's why,if available, a BOL is a great bet.Depending on the level of the "cause" will dictate our response.We ran a "practice" run awhile ago,the thread is in the S/P.

Folk do slip up,it's natural.They let their guard down,around family/friends ect.There are exactly 8 people that know where we'd go if it hits a 5.Read my previous thread and you'll know.

Our primary home has as much as our secondary does,rt at 5yrs each.That's the point of preps,if youse hasta GOOD your life should be as stable as possible.'08.

lawman800
02-06-2012, 09:12
Tell them, "We're headed to your place. Hope you are stocked up. Har, Har, Har."

Even if you are not stocked up, I am taking over the neighborhood with my arsenal anyway!:supergrin:

kirgi08
02-06-2012, 11:16
Even if you are not stocked up, I am taking over the neighborhood with my arsenal anyway!:supergrin:

:arg::arg::arg::arg::arg:


Pirate theme.'08.

quake
02-06-2012, 12:47
I'm going to go with the assumption that this is a genuine question.

At one of our early (years ago) three-day "Guys Retreat" campouts, I received a similar comment from a guy. Guy who I didn't know real well, but based on my having decent night vision, fun guns with suppressors, etc, made the inevitable "come to your place" comment. Bearing in mind that even though I didn't know him that well, this was still a guy from our church; so I simply sat there & asked him, "So about the only thing you know about me is that I have night-vision and am well-armed; and when my family and I are facing a crisis situation, your plan is to start beating down our door? You might want to think about what your response would be in a similar situation, and then decide whether that's really a good idea or not."

It let me avoid being directly threatening ("I'll shoot you & everyone with you") and yet get the point across. Fact is, the guy & I are decent friends now. If I'd reflexively threatened to shoot his family on sight, I seriously doubt that I'd now have that friend and potential ally.

Dirk Pitt
02-06-2012, 13:55
I learned a lesson about this the other day. I always kinda figured on immediate family coming to my house for any serious "issues". And I was talking about this with my SIL, (this is my wifes' brother spouse). She told me she was a "survivor" Ok whatever and I told my daughter about this and she made a good point. Peoples definition of that word is different, mine is storing food, water, guns etc. Hers is growing up poor, scractching for everything and making it. Which is OK, but my point is that I may be planning on immediate family, but they may be planning on THEIR immediate family which expands the circle. Where do you stop? Again a realiztion about OPSEC that I believe I made to late and without thinking about it.

quake
02-06-2012, 14:38
...I may be planning on immediate family, but they may be planning on THEIR immediate family which expands the circle. Where do you stop?...

This is another of the perennial S&P questions; the "who do you help" or "who to you take in" question, and there are as many answers as there are people offering them. Different people will say things ranging from "help only {fill in the blank} ", to "help nobody" to "take in everybody that comes along". For a long time, it was hard for me trying to come up with "who to allow in"; but one day a rule of thumb came to me that made sense for at least coming close to answering the question. If a person is someone that I'd let spend the night in my home in normal times, they get taken in in crisis times, and vice-versa for those who I wouldn't let spend the night in normal times. Fact is, there are blood relatives who would fall into the "wouldn't" category, and there are people who have no blood or legal connection to me that I still consider 'family' and would be welcomed and even grateful to have.

Not perfect, but a very good starting point imo. If a stranger shows up needing help, sure, I'll help to the degree I can. Blankets and a spot on the floor in the shop; sure, probably. But not in my house where my wife & kids & I will be sleeping. Too much at risk there.

beatcop
02-06-2012, 18:08
There's quite a gap between "I'm coming over" and actually being allowed to consume.

When the time comes, which is unlikely at best, you tell him "No". If it's a situation that your life is in danger, you won't feel too bad telling him so. If it's a minor storm, who cares...throw him a can of beans.

Best bet is to tell him you're leaving wshtf and he needs to make his own preps. If he never does, well...he made his choice.

glockeglock
02-07-2012, 14:42
.....

4TS&W
02-07-2012, 15:18
Very few in my life boat, the rest can suck my dinghy... :)

Akita
02-07-2012, 15:35
I think you are a liberal troll, and that you are here strictly to cause trouble.

Some of the more naive members got suckered into Bloomberg's Point, Click, Fire: An Investigation of Illegal Online Gun Sales, I would dissuade others from doing so.

I agree.

quake
02-07-2012, 16:36
Those people you love enough to let in the door have people they love enough to bring, and those people have people.... At what point do you close the door?...
Exactly - it goes beyond simply deciding "how many" as well. One example is a sister I have. She has one daughter (call her Becca) that absolutely would not be trusted inside (sleep in the shop, sure, but not in the house). Thing is, Becca's mom, stepdad, and brother would be allowed in, as would Becca's kids as well. Whether those others would choose to come in without her, and whether she'd let her kids come in without her are their decisions to make, but Becca would absolutely be relegated to 'outside guest' status; to the point of literally not being allowed inside without absolute minute-by-minute escorting. Complicates things for her immediate family, but as far as me & mine, that's just how it is. She's someone who's shown herself skeezy & evil enough that I wouldn't trust enough now to let sleep in my house; no way I'd let her do so during dangerous times.

Short version is, while I try to "do what I can", the fact is that in her case, taking her in would simply pose too much risk to everyone else who I'm responsible for. She's not simply the 13th person in a 12-man lifeboat, she'd be like having an armed sociopath in the lifeboat; and that's just not happening while I'm in charge.

UneasyRider
02-07-2012, 18:20
Exactly - it goes beyond simply deciding "how many" as well. One example is a sister I have. She has one daughter (call her Becca) that absolutely would not be trusted inside (sleep in the shop, sure, but not in the house). Thing is, Becca's mom, stepdad, and brother would be allowed in, as would Becca's kids as well. Whether those others would choose to come in without her, and whether she'd let her kids come in without her are their decisions to make, but Becca would absolutely be relegated to 'outside guest' status; to the point of literally not being allowed inside without absolute minute-by-minute escorting. Complicates things for her immediate family, but as far as me & mine, that's just how it is. She's someone who's shown herself skeezy & evil enough that I wouldn't trust enough now to let sleep in my house; no way I'd let her do so during dangerous times.

Short version is, while I try to "do what I can", the fact is that in her case, taking her in would simply pose too much risk to everyone else who I'm responsible for. She's not simply the 13th person in a 12-man lifeboat, she'd be like having an armed sociopath in the lifeboat; and that's just not happening while I'm in charge.

You face a possible scenario of "Becca" having made poor choices of friends who she would tell all about you and your stuff and how evil you are for not sharing it with her... and now "them." See my sig line...

smokeross
02-07-2012, 19:26
When I slam the hatch on the underground warren of connexes, It will just be me, Zonny, and the dogs. O.K maybe the grand kids too. And......

powder86
02-07-2012, 19:39
i'd try to keep it light and crack right back how if comes over looking for a handout he'll get sent home with a bullet in the ass. haha*awkward smile*...
in the long run i don't think this will really matter.
through your relationship and discussions just make it clear that your provisions are for your family, and not for every tom, dick, and harry in the neighborhood.

DustyJacket
02-07-2012, 20:13
My neighbor not too long ago said based on our limited conversations, "Well I know where I'm coming if we ever need to hunker down a while! Har Har Har!"

Watch the Twilight Zone episode called The Shelter and see what you have let yourself in for.

Zonny
02-07-2012, 20:17
When I slam the hatch on the underground warren of connexes, It will just be me and the dog.


Really?? :impatient:

smokeross
02-07-2012, 20:28
Really?? :impatient:
O.k. Zonny. You can join me in the warren. LOL. But I get to Bug Out to the desert with you.

smokeross
02-07-2012, 20:32
When I slam the hatch on the underground warren of connexes, It will just be me, Zonny, and the dogs. O.K maybe the grand kids too. And......
Unless I am down south. I haven't got everything buried there yet.

lawman800
02-07-2012, 21:54
Sure, c'mon over, I got lots of supplies... including a bullet for every one of ya SOB's that come uninvited!

quake
02-08-2012, 05:15
You face a possible scenario of "Becca" having made poor choices of friends who she would tell all about you and your stuff and how evil you are for not sharing it with her... and now "them." ...
Yeah, aware of that; but her and the possibility of some additional scumbags outside are still less of a threat than the one active scumbag inside. Right now, I can't trust her to not rob us in our sleep; so in a crisis situation, I genuinely believe I couldn't trust her to not kill us in our sleep.

Fact is, she & her mom & them live hundreds of miles from us, so no nearby friends for her to recruit. While there's the (slight) possibility of her finding local scumbags to throw in with her, it's unlikely. This area is very sparsely populated, so the small percentage of skeezers present limited "recruitment" possibilities. If she were to show up, my options (afaik) are three - take her in, send her packing, or let her stay on the periphery; ie, here with us for shelter & provision, but not fully "with" us as one of us with full run of the place.

Not a perfect situation, but about as good as I can make out with the aspects I can control. :dunno:

eracer
02-08-2012, 05:42
Watch the Twilight Zone episode called The Shelter and see what you have let yourself in for.I was just about to post this.

It's on Netflix. Season 3: Episode 68

I'm marathoning the Zone right now.

Kadetklapp
02-08-2012, 06:36
Since I've learned you are an Obama-ite, I'm tempted to tell you nothing, but alas, you were polite at least.

I was watching the "Doomsday Preppers" show last night and texting a buddy of mine. I told him to watch it as well. He replied he was watching something else. I told him he was a ****ing idiot and that he needed to pull his head out and set himself in reality and that he needs to prepare his family (our families do everything together). He did the whole "HAHA I Just come to your house LOLOLOL" and I told him he'd be dead on the lawn if he showed up to just "move in." I then told him he would be expected to bring three months rations for his family AND mine, his own guns and ammo, his mechanical expertise and tools, and that he had to be willing to shoot my cats when the time comes. He offered his wife but I told him that I'll pass. He just better be ready to slave over repairs and maintenance on all the bug-out wagons and if he can't feed his wife and kid with what he brings then they don't eat. Remember....dead on the lawn.

lawman800
02-08-2012, 08:39
Since I've learned you are an Obama-ite, I'm tempted to tell you nothing, but alas, you were polite at least.

I was watching the "Doomsday Preppers" show last night and texting a buddy of mine. I told him to watch it as well. He replied he was watching something else. I told him he was a ****ing idiot and that he needed to pull his head out and set himself in reality and that he needs to prepare his family (our families do everything together). He did the whole "HAHA I Just come to your house LOLOLOL" and I told him he'd be dead on the lawn if he showed up to just "move in." I then told him he would be expected to bring three months rations for his family AND mine, his own guns and ammo, his mechanical expertise and tools, and that he had to be willing to shoot my cats when the time comes. He offered his wife but I told him that I'll pass. He just better be ready to slave over repairs and maintenance on all the bug-out wagons and if he can't feed his wife and kid with what he brings then they don't eat. Remember....dead on the lawn.

I got a flurry of emails from some buddies after they all watched the show and they know I own guns but they don't know about my preps... but somehow they all assume I prep so I became the de facto expert for all their questions.

Anyway, none of them offered up their wives, which I wouldn't accept... but yeah, that's exactly what would be expected of any of my friends. Bring your preps or don't bother showing up.

I don't have enough food or water to spare, but if you bring other stuff to trade, I will gladly trade for some of my guns and ammo for your family's protection.

wildcat455
02-08-2012, 08:43
to the OP:
Damage Control.
Manufacture a fictional crisis in your life that justifies the story that you had to SELL EVERYTHING to get out of the crisis. Then stick to the story, brief your spouse, and continue with info that supports you "Just can't seem to make it back on top" to replenish what you lost. If enough time passes between now and SHTF, it should take you off their "I'm coming to your house" list.

OPSEC from this point on. The only story you go out with is "I'm still not ready" and don't SHARE your true status with anyone but your spouse.

Don't do ANYTHING that will blow your cover story.


You know your situation better than I, but here's a few ideas:

I am being sued. Lawyers aren't cheap.
I am being Audited by IRS (It's that time of year.)
Sick family member, medical expenses (NOT you or your spouse)
Burglary. They took everything! No records, so no ins settlement (Unless ppl live next to you.)

You get the idea...

smokeross
02-08-2012, 09:34
Anyone that 'shows' up at my place after it (shtf) starts will not get in. They will be quarantined to an outbuilding until i am sure they haven't brought the 'plague'. Think about that for a minute.

kirgi08
02-08-2012, 10:36
I got a flurry of emails from some buddies after they all watched the show and they know I own guns but they don't know about my preps... but somehow they all assume I prep so I became the de facto expert for all their questions.

Anyway, none of them offered up their wives, which I wouldn't accept... but yeah, that's exactly what would be expected of any of my friends. Bring your preps or don't bother showing up.

I don't have enough food or water to spare, but if you bring other stuff to trade, I will gladly trade for some of my guns and ammo for your family's protection.

Now youse know how I feel,LM.No one "outside" really knows,however I get pleas fer help.Take action.It ain't happened yet.

What's more important?,"property" or "life".

B/S FOOLS.

Kieller
02-08-2012, 11:12
Honestly the situation itself can dictate who I would/wouldn't let in. If its just a regional SHTF for a week or two then I would probably let in folks that I trust. Major power outage, tornado, fire....etc...

However, with a major event were there was no light visible at the end fo the tunnel I would be very concerned with who was let in. "Providing" everything for even just the family in the area would hurt us in a major way so I would require them to bring their own supplies. It's nearly impossible to say I would NEVER let in anyone or vice versa. The situation will dictate how desperate you are or they are and can change the game plan at almost any time.

Again, if I can't trust you in normal times you better believe that the only thing you are getting is a swift kick off my porch.

The thing I worry about most with OPSEC is not who you talk to about preps, but who they talk to about your preps. That is when the mushroom cloud goes up and everybody knows way more than they should.

DustyJacket
02-08-2012, 20:31
I was just about to post this.

It's on Netflix. Season 3: Episode 68

I'm marathoning the Zone right now.
It is on HULU for free. Or it was a year or two ago.

lawman800
02-09-2012, 08:55
Now youse know how I feel,LM.No one "outside" really knows,however I get pleas fer help.Take action.It ain't happened yet.

What's more important?,"property" or "life".

B/S FOOLS.

Exactly. I have been talking to all of them about getting themselves set up with at least a cheap $200 pump shotgun in case of another riot, which is more likely than a lot of scenarios in LA.

runcible68
02-09-2012, 12:08
Don't feed the troll! (Hansen)