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23glock32
02-06-2012, 20:11
Need help on deciding between a springfield champion loaded 4" or a kimber pro TLE II. Both are stainless. any thoughts on the two.

majette
02-06-2012, 20:44
if you must go with a 1911 less than 5" i say Springfield or Colt. i have no experience with anything less than 5" though.

camelotkid
02-06-2012, 20:47
i have no experience with anything less than 5" though.

:rofl::rofl: sorry that just sounded funny

Wild Gene
02-06-2012, 20:56
I have the springfield in .45 and the kimber in 9mm (both 4" guns), they have both been great so far. I don't care for shiny carry guns, so prefer the Kimber for that reason (Tac Pro II, 9mm), plus I am loving the 9, it's just fun to shot, and at 10+1 it is easier for me to carry than a g26.

Roy D. Mercer
02-06-2012, 20:57
Springer all day long. I'd prefer a parked Springer over the stainless.

bac1023
02-06-2012, 21:07
if you must go with a 1911 less than 5" i say Springfield or Colt. i have no experience with anything less than 5" though.

:rofl::rofl: sorry that just sounded funny
:rofl:

bac1023
02-06-2012, 21:08
Unless its for carry, go with a full size model.

there are many better options in the same price range if you're dealing with 5" barrels.

craig19
02-06-2012, 21:19
For me it would be Springer.

never enough
02-07-2012, 00:35
springer. I heard horror stories on kimbers

jrs93accord
02-07-2012, 02:47
My vote is for the Kimber. If you plan on carrying it, the stainless is perfect for that. I carry a stainless Pro carry II.

faawrenchbndr
02-07-2012, 02:56
I'd get the Springfield.
However, the Kimber is a fine weapon, just be sure to throw the recoil spring
in the trash and replace with a Wolff Springs ext spring.

crazymoose
02-07-2012, 03:06
I'd never trust my life to anything with a Swartz safety. There's a reason Colt and the army never bothered with it.

Then again, I replace the ILS mainspring housings in my Springfields, too. I had one on a TRP that would lock up every few times the gun cycled. I know it's a rare experience, but I'll never trust one of those again.

clancy
02-07-2012, 05:55
springer. I heard horror stories on kimbers

Springfield. My experience with Kimber was a horror story.

knedrgr
02-07-2012, 06:50
For me it would be Springer.

Colt. :tongueout:

knedrgr
02-07-2012, 06:52
Kimber = 1 year warranty
Springfield = Lifetime warranty.

Heck, used, second-hand Springfield even have the lifetime warranty...

glock2740
02-07-2012, 07:12
Need help on deciding between a springfield champion loaded 4" or a kimber pro TLE II. Both are stainless. any thoughts on the two.
Between those two, I'd pick the Kimber TLE Pro. Checkered fronstrap, night sights and a single side safety come standard. All it needs is a trip to Mr. Rogers' neighborhood for a flush crown job. :cool: Here's a pic of my Stainless Pro Raptor with a crown job. Haven't changed the safety to a single side yet, but that's on the "to do" list. :)

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/Guns032.jpg

OUSooner
02-07-2012, 07:33
Springfield = no firing pin safety. Also has an internal extractor.

itstime
02-07-2012, 08:58
I have Springers and Kimbers. In 4 in. only Kimber. Actually two Kimbers in 4. A CDP and HD. both are 100% and shoot great.

But so do the Springers. Although they are 3 in. and 5 in.

I have never used either customer service but what I have read over the years have to give the nod to Springfield.

jaklcrow
02-07-2012, 09:06
Kimber all day.

I just cant warm up to Springfield for some reason. They have much better triggers out of the box than Kimber's in my experience, and every one I have shot was great... But for some reason I dont even consider a Springfield 1911 a real 1911. No clue why. They just seam like wannabes to me. :dunno:

So ya, nothing much to contribute except for my unexplainable bias lol

SpringerTGO
02-07-2012, 10:02
Read the thread about the Springfield that blew up. I doubt you would get better service from any company, regardless of price.
Springfield's service is stellar, and their 1911's work great.
I've only had one Kimber, and it was garbage. I sent it back to Kimber for repairs (which took close to 2 months), and it jammed the very first round I put through it.

SigFTW
02-07-2012, 10:30
My Kimber is a great gun. I have the Stainless II in 5" and it will shoot everything I feed it. I did call Kimber once about an issue, not caused by the gun and they were a little short with me, all I was looking for was some information for a replacement barrel.

If Springfiled has a great warranty, then I would really consider them for my next buy.

brickboy240
02-07-2012, 11:51
Do you know how easy it is to disable or remove Kimber's Swartz Safety?

Don't let that keep you from getting a Kimber. They're fantastic shooters.

With Springfield, there is the mainspring safety....equally as easy to remove and many don't raise a stink about that safety device. Don't let the Swartz safety issue keep you from a Kimber if you like them.

My TLE II is 100% reliable and accurate as can be.

- brickboy240

ca survivor
02-07-2012, 13:04
Between those two, I'd pick the Kimber TLE Pro. Checkered fronstrap, night sights and a single side safety come standard. All it needs is a trip to Mr. Rogers' neighborhood for a flush crown job. :cool: Here's a pic of my Stainless Pro Raptor with a crown job. Haven't changed the safety to a single side yet, but that's on the "to do" list. :)

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/Guns032.jpg
Nice looking Kimber, how does it run?

Spiffums
02-07-2012, 14:31
I have a Kimber TLE and I love it. It's one of the older ones with the internal extractor. If I get another 1911 pattern gun Im getting a stainless TRP.

brickboy240
02-07-2012, 15:33
Kimber went back to the external extractor quite some time ago.

I have a TLE II bought new, in 2008 and it has the internal extractor.

Very accurate and a well made pistol.

Buy one, remove the Swartz Safety, ditch the full length guide rod and you are totally GTG.

- brickboy240

DubfromGA
02-07-2012, 15:45
Need help on deciding between a springfield champion loaded 4" or a kimber pro TLE II. Both are stainless. any thoughts on the two.


I made the same consideration. You can see which direction I went.

Almost a year later and I have zero regrets. I love my Springer.


http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/Dub007_photo/2011-06-20_00-27-17_851.jpg

Magus
02-07-2012, 17:30
Springfield without question.

Both use a good bit of MIM parts if that matters to you. But I do like the fact you're getting a forged frame with the Springfield vs. the cast of the Kimber. Probably not a big deal, just a personal preference for me.

Had an awful experience with Kimber's customer service. Will not deal with them again.

Springfield on the other hand has about the best customer service in the firearms business you could ask for should you need. it.

Jason D
02-07-2012, 18:29
springer. I heard horror stories on kimbers

Funny. All the Kimbers I have had, and have now. I have never owned a bad one.

That said. I do not like the series II guns even though I own one that had been 100% reliable. I'd think real hard about going with the Springfield, though I wouldn't rule out a Colt Combat Commander.

I mean if you want a 1911 shorter than the standard Government model.
You might as well go with the Colt Commander.

Rinspeed
02-07-2012, 21:05
But I do like the fact you're getting a forged frame with the Springfield vs. the cast of the Kimber.




Not sure where you heard that but you couldn't be farther from the truth. Kimber has very good quality forged frames and slides, in fact at one point they supplied Wilson Combat with both.





http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/BrokenSpringerSlide.jpg

glock2740
02-07-2012, 21:12
Not sure where you heard that but you couldn't be farther from the truth. Kimber has very good quality forged frames and slides, in fact at one point they supplied Wilson Combat with both.





http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/BrokenSpringerSlide.jpg
Never was a fan of the SA Loaded. Damn sure ain't a fan after seeing that pic. :wow:

samuse
02-07-2012, 22:00
Kimber all day.

I just cant warm up to Springfield for some reason. They have much better triggers out of the box than Kimber's in my experience, and every one I have shot was great... But for some reason I dont even consider a Springfield 1911 a real 1911. No clue why. They just seam like wannabes to me. :dunno:

So ya, nothing much to contribute except for my unexplainable bias lol


Yeah. Just like Bushmaster is waaaaay better than DPMS.

SigFTW
02-08-2012, 08:14
Buy one of each! You can never have enough 1911:whistling:

brickboy240
02-08-2012, 11:57
I have a TLE II and love it. Been 100% reliable out of the box, for over 4 years now. Very accurate, too.

Buy the TLE II, remove the silly Swartz safety, swap the full length guide rod and now you have a totally serviceable 1911.

The Springfield also has its own silly safety device that must be removed, but the Loaded also has an ambi safety (which is worthless of you are right handed) and is not made in America.

- brickboy240

Ruggles
02-08-2012, 12:32
Never was a fan of the SA Loaded. Damn sure ain't a fan after seeing that pic. :wow:

Crap I bet that will still shoot just fine.......:cool:

bac1023
02-08-2012, 12:35
Buy one of each! You can never have enough 1911:whistling:

Very true :cool:

Roering
02-08-2012, 13:09
Not sure where you heard that but you couldn't be farther from the truth. Kimber has very good quality forged frames and slides, in fact at one point they supplied Wilson Combat with both.





http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/BrokenSpringerSlide.jpg

Lifetime warranty comes in handy sometimes right?

Jason D
02-08-2012, 17:06
Yeah. Just like Bushmaster is waaaaay better than DPMS.

The Bushmaster of a decade ago was a hell of a company.
Not that there are more than a few places that actually forge uppers and lowers for the AR community.

Is the new Bushmaster not up to par?

I know the people that used to run it have now set up shop to build AR's again.

faawrenchbndr
02-08-2012, 17:19
The Bushmaster of a decade ago was a hell of a company.
Not that there are more than a few places that actually forge uppers and lowers for the AR community.

Is the new Bushmaster not up to par?

I know the people that used to run it have now set up shop to build AR's again.


Bushmaster is now sub-par....at best.

Jason D
02-08-2012, 17:38
Bushmaster is now sub-par....at best.

That is sad to hear.

I bought a Bushmaster DCM gun a decade ago.
Best damn AR I ever handled. They built it to my specifications.

A short time later I bought an XM15 that I pretty much turned into a DCM double.

A bad rep will put a stink on my guns if I ever decide to sell.

faawrenchbndr
02-08-2012, 17:45
The Bushmaster you know was bought out, plant was moved & quality went down the crapper.
There are some of the "old Bushmaster" employees that have reopened the
plant.

Can't remember the new name.......

Jason D
02-08-2012, 18:18
Windham Weaponry or something like that.