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Morris
02-10-2012, 14:54
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/02/05/020512-news-detroit-vigilantes-1-5/

Apparently, this is the group featured in the photo:

http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/DECA-PROGRAM.html

Alrighty then . . . .

GD2J
02-10-2012, 15:13
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1112/detroit-robocop-demotivational-posters-1325183431.jpg

DoogieHowser
02-10-2012, 15:26
Yeah, not sure why anyone wants to stay there...

RussP
02-10-2012, 15:36
I like the 73-year old lady who got her carry permit. “I don’t intend to be one of their victims,” said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. “I’m planning on taking one out.”

Ajon412
02-10-2012, 15:53
I like the 73-year old lady who got her carry permit. I dont intend to be one of their victims, said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. Im planning on taking one out.

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.....It's really that simple.....

It's sounds like Detroit PD's new motto is, "We'll be RIGHT over, next Thursday".....:rofl::rofl:

nikerret
02-10-2012, 17:11
HOME->PHOTOS->Hot chicks in neoninja gear.

nikerret
02-10-2012, 17:16
"On a bleak day in January, a group of funeral directors wearied by the violence drove a motorcade of hearses through the city streets in protest."

You know it's bad when the funeral homes are upset about the amount of dead people.

Mayhem like Me
02-10-2012, 19:01
yeah *sniff* I'm on the Super Viper Cobra Mamba Tiger Lion Bear team,,, we are more deadly than just the Viper team....

WTF...http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/Instructors.html

with names like Falcon and Havoc they just ooze ... well they just ooze.

msu_grad_121
02-10-2012, 19:23
yeah *sniff* I'm on the Super Viper Cobra Mamba Tiger Lion Bear team,,, we are more deadly than just the Viper team....

WTF...http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/Instructors.html

with names like Falcon and Havoc they just ooze ... well they just ooze.

I couldn't help but look it up, too. It's like a d-bag factory. I AM curious what the back of their "tac vests" say in the pics of them in Hart Plaza, tho. Morbidly curious.

msu_grad_121
02-10-2012, 19:29
This might be my favorite picture of all time! Tactical kayaking!

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/msugrad121/tacticalkayak.jpg

PHILLY COP 369
02-10-2012, 19:40
They need to hire a proofreader for their website

RMolina628
02-10-2012, 19:43
These jokers were at a Criminal Justice Career Fair held by a local community college in my parts. Most of the police departments just laughed in their face.

Vigilant
02-10-2012, 19:52
This might be my favorite picture of all time! Tactical kayaking!

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/msugrad121/tacticalkayak.jpg

Political correctness at its finest. As usual.

lndshark
02-10-2012, 20:05
Are their AR's SBR's? I thought those weren't allowed in Michigan...hmm...

packsaddle
02-10-2012, 20:43
Sunroof?



http://downloads.thedaily.com/ui-images/2012/02/05/020512-news-detroit-vigilantes-1-ss-662w.jpg

Ajon412
02-10-2012, 20:58
I couldn't help but look it up, too. It's like a d-bag factory. I AM curious what the back of their "tac vests" say in the pics of them in Hart Plaza, tho. Morbidly curious.

Are they even armed????:dunno:

PettyOfficer
02-10-2012, 21:02
They need to hire a proofreader for their website

"crmies"?

Morris
02-10-2012, 21:07
Sunroof?

Tactical sunroof.

Sharky7
02-10-2012, 21:47
Sunroof?



http://downloads.thedaily.com/ui-images/2012/02/05/020512-news-detroit-vigilantes-1-ss-662w.jpg

Forget the sunroof - what about those Zubaz? Aww yeah, bringing back a classic.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JHZu5vnbQpw/SS9uzIU6dOI/AAAAAAAAACI/w5ApNSWr-j8/s400/zubaz.jpg

S.O.Interceptor
02-10-2012, 23:01
Apparently, this is the group featured in the photo:

http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/DECA-PROGRAM.html

Alrighty then . . . .

From what I can tell from their website, there are only 6 people employed with Deca. 2 of which are apparently stationed permanently outside the front door of their home office, which is standing wide open, which is why they probably need armed guards in the first place.

:crazy:



This might be my favorite picture of all time! Tactical kayaking!

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/msugrad121/tacticalkayak.jpg

If they flip wearing all that crap, they're gonna sink like a stone. Now I'd pay for their service if I got to see THAT!

Agent6-3/8
02-10-2012, 23:08
I couldn't help but look it up, too. It's like a d-bag factory. I AM curious what the back of their "tac vests" say in the pics of them in Hart Plaza, tho. Morbidly curious.

Professional mall ninjas... :rofl:

What a bunch of ****tards. :upeyes:

janice6
02-10-2012, 23:21
Tactical sunroof.


Their so cool that that isn't even a sun roof. It's an LCD flat panel displaying the video captured from a video camera pointing ......up.

janice6
02-10-2012, 23:23
I thought it over-----I guess I should be pleased that somebody, anybody, is doing something to get out of this mess we have become. (Self defense episodes)

Electrikkoolaid
02-10-2012, 23:36
http://youtu.be/ZXqiOZaW89Q

No editorial on my part is necessary.

Electrikkoolaid
02-10-2012, 23:42
http://i.imgur.com/Mnsro.jpg

This must be where superheros go for training.

steveksux
02-11-2012, 02:43
I like the 73-year old lady who got her carry permit. I dont intend to be one of their victims, said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. Im planning on taking one out.Don't blame her at all, its hard to find a date once you're over 40...

Randy

clancy
02-11-2012, 06:51
http://youtu.be/ZXqiOZaW89Q

No editorial on my part is necessary.

Aren't airsoft guns supposed to have bright orange tips on the ends of the barrels?

CJStudent
02-11-2012, 07:22
Aren't airsoft guns supposed to have bright orange tips on the ends of the barrels?

Only when sold. They can, in most states, be painted over once they're in private hands (at least from my understanding on it).

txleapd
02-11-2012, 08:03
Justifiable homicide in the city shot up 79 percent in 2011 from the previous year, as citizens in the long-suffering city armed themselves and took matters into their own hands. The local rate of self-defense killings now stands 2,200 percent above the national average. Residents, unable to rely on a dwindling police force to keep them safe, are fighting back against the criminal scourge on their own. And theyre offering no apologies.

Nothing to see here.... Move along.

msu_grad_121
02-11-2012, 10:14
Are they even armed????:dunno:

They claim on their website that they provide armed response, but I didn't see a single photo of anyone with a weapon, except for the d-bags with the ARs that I don't believe are real.

After that video, I stand by my previous assessment of it being a d-bag factory.

steveksux
02-11-2012, 11:11
They claim on their website that they provide armed response, but I didn't see a single photo of anyone with a weapon, except for the d-bags with the ARs that I don't believe are real.

After that video, I stand by my previous assessment of it being a d-bag factory.Looks like it'd be great training for American Gladiator though... :rofl:

I remember seeing their Hummer drive by on I-75 one time, all black, covered with all sorts of decals. Went by too fast, couldn't read them all, but pretty sure some of them said "douchbag"... :rofl:

I loved the guy going through all sorts of shooting positions with the silver pistol. Personally though, I think maybe they should focus more on reload drills. Just saying, I would have reloaded after the first "click", at least by the sixth... :rofl: But I haven't been through their tactical ninja program, that guarantees a non-violent outcome to most violent situations...

Randy

steveksux
02-11-2012, 11:16
This might be my favorite picture of all time! Tactical kayaking!

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/msugrad121/tacticalkayak.jpg"Because one is none, and two is one"

Always have a BUK.

Randy

steveksux
02-11-2012, 11:20
Just because all you low speed high drag operators haven't experienced training like that in your professional capacity just shows how out of touch your agencies are... :tongueout::rofl:

Next time a lumberjack goes on a shooting rampage during a log rolling context, you guys will have to eat your words and call in the boys from Threat Management to chase down the suspect!


Randy

DaBigBR
02-11-2012, 11:39
HOME->PHOTOS->Hot chicks in neoninja gear.

And tactical Kayaking!

steveksux
02-11-2012, 11:41
Justifiable homicides jumped from 19 in 2010 to 34, ok, so that's a 79 percent increase. I'm just not inclined to read a lot into increases from a small number like 19 to start with. Not a very big sample size to deal with, and so small random changes in that number result in big % changes year to year.

Thought i remembered something about prior year homicide reporting undercounting certain scenarios also, so was there a change in "accounting methods" or definitions going on here? Are they just classifying more homicides as justifiable now vs then? Not that there's pressure to cut murder rate by having a few more of the borderline cases land in the justified slot this year.

So that stat doesn't concern me so much. I'm sure there probably is an increase, but starting at 19, a little normal variation year to year can cut a lot of that out also. I'm sure there's a trend in there, and its not a good one, but hard to say if the 79% increase is a statistical blip and things are not deteriorating that fast, or on the other hand, if things are worse than they appear and the random changes are covering up a rapidly deteriorating situation and the actual increase is higher than 79%.

Without looking at the actual cases its hard to tell.

What shocks me is the justifiable homicide rate is 2200 times the national average.... :wow: Having said that, I'd really like to see the comparison to major urban areas rather than the national average, most of which is pretty low, really not fair comparing Detroit with sleepy little hick towns. Everyone already knows urban areas have more crime. What would be useful info is how much worse Detroit is compared to DC, Boston, LA, etc.

Randy

Panzergrenadier1979
02-11-2012, 14:34
And tactical Kayaking!

Seriously, who made the conscious decision to put that pic on their website? Was it late at night? Was alcohol and or weed involved? I can imagine the conversation:

"Dude, we're like, almost done with the website man!"

"I don't know bro..... it needs something...... something to show folks how bad*** we are."

"How about the kayak pic?"

"That's it! Dude, you're like, a genius!"

"Thanks bro.... oops..... gotta go. My volunteer firefighter pager just went off."

Sharky7
02-11-2012, 15:03
Seriously, who made the conscious decision to put that pic on their website? Was it late at night? Was alcohol and or weed involved? I can imagine the conversation:

"Dude, we're like, almost done with the website man!"

"I don't know bro..... it needs something...... something to show folks how bad*** we are."

"How about the kayak pic?"

"That's it! Dude, you're like, a genius!"

"Thanks bro.... oops..... gotta go. My volunteer firefighter pager just went off."

continued...

"Time to hop in the black unmarked Dodge Charger and put on my DEA jacket."

Dukeboy01
02-11-2012, 19:32
Next time a lumberjack goes on a shooting rampage during a log rolling context, you guys will have to eat your words and call in the boys from Threat Management to chase down the suspect!


Randy

:rofl: Good one.

GumbyDammit
02-12-2012, 03:31
http://youtu.be/ZXqiOZaW89Q

No editorial on my part is necessary.

It's impossible for me to comment on everything I'd like via my iPhone, it would make my thumbs cramp up! Let me just say: walking a "tactical beam" with an airsoft Tec9, and learning to distinguish between a real aggressive action and fake aggressive action should be enough to get anyone to enlist ... errr, enroll. And if that for some strange reason isn't enough, learning how to "cut down on your inability to make inappropriate decisions so you don't shoot the wrong person" should definitely seal the deal. Ouch, thumbs cramping. Can't go on. Must comment on ability to find guns under car hood, non violent response to violent agress...

Mayhem like Me
02-12-2012, 10:20
Sunroof?



http://downloads.thedaily.com/ui-images/2012/02/05/020512-news-detroit-vigilantes-1-ss-662w.jpg

It's a
Tactical
Assesament
Manuverability
Portal
Opening
Navigator ,.....
or TAMPON

Mayhem like Me
02-12-2012, 10:30
OMG...

V111M Tactical Testing - YouTube


I laughed so Hard I woke up my wife and she hit me.... If i would have taken the VIPER training I could have blocked it in SUPER SLO MO>>>

Mayhem like Me
02-12-2012, 10:46
sorry I did a tactical viper dbblpost

DonGlock26
02-12-2012, 11:34
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/02/05/020512-news-detroit-vigilantes-1-5/

Apparently, this is the group featured in the photo:

http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/DECA-PROGRAM.html

Alrighty then . . . .

They are going to need a gunship.

_

Panzergrenadier1979
02-12-2012, 12:18
OMG...

V111M Tactical Testing - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4XTi54YSXw&feature=related)


I laughed so Hard I woke up my wife and she hit me.... If i would have taken the VIPER training I could have blocked it in SUPER SLO MO>>>

"State you code name".

"Viper one-eleven Mantis."

:rofl::laughing::animlol:

Ajon412
02-12-2012, 12:20
"Because one is none, and two is one"

Always have a BUK.

Randy

It seems to be the general consensus that "one is none and two is none"...:rofl:

BUK? Hilarious.....:rofl::rofl:

HoldHard
02-13-2012, 08:02
When the police force no longer has the ability to protect the public (Detroit precinct stations now close at 4:30 PM in a program Chief Godbee called "Broken Windows (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Detroit-trying-Broken-Windows-community-policing/-/1719418/8633656/-/v6alovz/-/index.html)" to put more boots on the street) the public will turn to alternative measures. If they feel safe when protected by these wanna-be's in mall-ninja attire, that originates from the nanny-state mentailty of entitlement that permeates Detroit. When the SHTF those black Humvees and their occupants will be useless.

Per the Michigan State Police (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/ccw_county_report_273948_7.pdf) as of February 3, 2012 Michigan currently has 300,787 individuals that have completed training and been issued a Concealed Pistol License (CPL).

Detroit is in Wayne county and has 58,529 issued licenses which is the highest of all counties in Michigan followed by adjacent Oakland county at 41,609. These two counties make up one-third of the CPL's issued in the state.

There isn't a day that goes by without at least one person getting shot in Detroit. It's so "old news" that unless 4 people get killed and 5 more wounded within 8 hours (happened yesterday (http://www.freep.com/article/20120213/NEWS01/120213009/3-Detroit-shootings-kill-4-hurt-5?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s)) the television stations don't bother to send a camera crew.

HH

HoldHard
02-13-2012, 08:39
I AM curious what the back of their "tac vests" say in the pics of them in Hart Plaza, tho. Morbidly curious.Looks like their logo followed by "USSF" and then their logo again. The segment of the Pictures (http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/PHOTO-GALLERY.html) webpage is labeled "United States Social Forum". Tac gear (and black gloves) to "patrol" a social forum??? Oh, I forgot, it is Detoilet....

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Social_Forum): United States Social Forum:
"a movement building process. It is not a conference but it is a space to come up with the peoples’ solutions to the economic and ecological crisis. The USSF is the next most important step in our struggle to build a powerful multi-racial, multi-sectoral, inter-generational, diverse, inclusive, internationalist movement that transforms this country and changes history."

HH

http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/Untitled_0_00_06-11.jpg

Mayhem like Me
02-13-2012, 09:08
I think those guys played dodgeball with MEECHEle and Ben Stiller...

HoldHard
02-13-2012, 09:39
I think those guys played dodgeball with MEECHEle and Ben Stiller......and lost....:supergrin:

HH

Glock30Eric
02-13-2012, 09:51
WOW! At least they are making $$ and people are signing up for the job. Way to go!

msu_grad_121
02-13-2012, 10:26
I think those guys played dodgeball with MEECHEle and Ben Stiller...

They got guys name Lazer and Blazer and all kinda stuff!

You're right Glock30Eric, in that city, in that state, in that economy, the fact that they're employing people at all is sort of big, so I'll try to keep my mouth shut. And yet, they're dooshbaggery seems to know no bounds. Search YouTube for "Vipers Academy" and be prepared to laugh your butt off...

:wavey:

Mayhem like Me
02-13-2012, 10:48
Hmm call me suspicious but I think that Homeland security money or Detroit city Contracts are being payed out to this company..... *sniff snifff* what stinks........the answer is always DETROIT...

HoldHard
02-13-2012, 12:18
Hmm call me suspicious but I think that Homeland security money or Detroit city Contracts are being payed out to this company..... *sniff snifff* what stinks........the answer is always DETROIT...It's called Detoilet for several reasons.... corruption, graft, payoffs, former mayor in prison, former city council woman in prison... and those are just the ones off the top of my head....

HH

steveksux
02-13-2012, 21:44
Hmm call me suspicious but I think that Homeland security money or Detroit city Contracts are being payed out to this company..... *sniff snifff* what stinks........the answer is always DETROIT...
How dare you make such accusations!!!!....

Before I thought of them... damn, in hindsight, its so obvious I can't believe I didn't suspect this already.

Just when I think I've become too cynical, I find I'm not cynical enough...

Just look at all that gear, those Hummers, there's some serious money behind those guys. And its not from paying customers signing up for self defense training.

Randy

GumbyDammit
02-14-2012, 00:40
Just look at all that gear, those Hummers, there's some serious money behind those guys. And its not from paying customers signing up for self defense training.

Randy

Don't forget the boat and LAV. Someone is paying for it and it's not those boneheads.

rivardj
02-14-2012, 14:00
I would guess some sort of government grant money.

GumbyDammit
02-14-2012, 14:17
Great idea. I could retire from both of my jobs and settle into a little place like Malad, Idaho then get an HS grant to do "community protective services". After a year I could send them a stat sheet showing crime was near 0% (which I'm sure it is now already) and tout my success. Maybe even get a Nobel Peace Prize out of it (those don't seem tough to get). Your tax dollars at work. :upeyes:

Morris
02-14-2012, 16:31
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/08/19/vipers-academy-for-hsld-operators/

:rofl::rofl:

steveksux
02-14-2012, 17:39
Don't forget the boat and LAV. Someone is paying for it and it's not those boneheads.

That's boat's plural, they had a backup kayak...

Randy

CJStudent
02-14-2012, 17:43
That's boat's plural, they had a backup kayak...

Randy

The boat had a plural? :headscratch:





:tongueout:

S.O.Interceptor
02-14-2012, 21:11
Did anyone see their application process? Pictures of the outside and inside of your house, pics of the inside and outside of your car? Anyone else get the impression that they're the ones doing the home invasions that they're supposed to be protecting clients from?

And I came up with a really cool drinking game. Watch their firearms training videos, and every time one of them muzzle sweeps someone else, drink. You'll be hammered within minutes.

nikerret
02-14-2012, 21:35
Did anyone see their application process? Pictures of the outside and inside of your house, pics of the inside and outside of your car? Anyone else get the impression that they're the ones doing the home invasions that they're supposed to be protecting clients from?

And I came up with a really cool drinking game. Watch their firearms training videos, and every time one of them muzzle sweeps someone else, drink. You'll be hammered within minutes.

I'd never get drunk, too much booze would rapidly evade my stomach through my nose. :rofl:

Morris
02-15-2012, 17:55
And I came up with a really cool drinking game. Watch their firearms training videos, and every time one of them muzzle sweeps someone else, drink. You'll be hammered within minutes.

I'd never get drunk, too much booze would rapidly evade my stomach through my nose.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

glock509
02-16-2012, 00:33
Viper 109 mantis is cute but it appears as she has never fired an ar in .45 before. Also their gun obstacle course video was awesome. Just think if we had sent them to hunt bin laden.

Morris
02-16-2012, 12:19
I dunno about them Viper types but in the real world, we try to go around piles of construction debris, not over . . . .

glock509
02-16-2012, 12:50
I dunno about them Viper types but in the real world, we try to go around piles of construction debris, not over . . . .

Just remember to keep your gun pointed strait out because that's where the danger always is

Magicmanmb
02-16-2012, 13:26
Does anyone else smell T.V. appearences going in their favor and franchise offers??

What does it take to become an armed security guard in MI?

S.O.Interceptor
02-16-2012, 19:52
Viper 109 mantis is cute but it appears as she has never fired an ar in .45 before. Also their gun obstacle course video was awesome. Just think if we had sent them to hunt bin laden.

They would've been even more impressive than my beloved Redneck Special Forces.

I dunno about them Viper types but in the real world, we try to go around piles of construction debris, not over . . . .

Dude, you wouldn't understand because you're not one of them. And it's not "Viper", it's "V.I.P.E.R.". You're squirrel isn't secret enough to understand their training. Much like the vaunted Army Special Forces and Recon Marines, an outsider just can't understand what it's like in their world! Hell, SF and Recon recruit from this elite group.

Morris
02-16-2012, 20:07
Dude, you wouldn't understand because you're not one of them. And it's not "Viper", it's "V.I.P.E.R.". You're squirrel isn't secret enough to understand their training. Much like the vaunted Army Special Forces and Recon Marines, an outsider just can't understand what it's like in their world! Hell, SF and Recon recruit from this elite group.

Geez, you're right. I'm just a cop. Therefore, I suck in comparison.

steveksux
02-16-2012, 22:47
Does anyone else smell T.V. appearences going in their favor and franchise offers??

What does it take to become an armed security guard in MI?Arms, apparently.

Randy

steveksux
02-16-2012, 22:49
The operators at HK, late at night when they're making love, close their eyes and pretend they're actually with these guys. :whistling: And they hate themselves for it...

Randy

Billy10mm
02-17-2012, 08:20
you know it's bad when the funeral homes are upset about the amount of dead people.

potd!!

batson35
02-18-2012, 08:28
A1 Tactical - YouTube

or this Quote from the video below "we get that ass"


ARE WORDS EVER ENOUGH - YouTube

Morris
02-18-2012, 11:41
Oh lordy . . . run around with OFFICER vests and while rifles out will get you permanently tagged in many areas. Often by street cops. Hope they have enough liability insurance.

Getting weird out there.

Magicmanmb
02-19-2012, 16:38
Oh lordy . . . run around with OFFICER vests and while rifles out will get you permanently tagged in many areas. Often by street cops. Hope they have enough liability insurance.

Getting weird out there.

First I see gets 2 commands to drop the weapon per policy, no response a double tap of 230gr or 5.56hp wearing Kevlar casket closed. We got a memo yesterday about these private patrols using POLICE on the front & back panels. Since SC allows private police forces on there own property, they'll be here next.

S.O.Interceptor
02-20-2012, 10:54
A1 Tactical - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqZrsTYNQlk)

or this Quote from the video below "we get that ass"


ARE WORDS EVER ENOUGH - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDk2nWJiJ1c&feature=related)

OH......... MY.................. GOD.............!!!!!!!!!!

What state is that where they get to run emergenyc lights and siren, run code 3 to "calls" and just generally be that big of ****** bags?

"We get that ass"? That is the epitome of professionalism right there!!!

First I see gets 2 commands to drop the weapon per policy.......

You have that in policy? WOW! That's ridiculous.

Our warning is officer presence, and that is all. You get about 0.5 seconds warning, or however long it takes to clear the holster and squeeze.

Magicmanmb
02-25-2012, 11:51
OH......... MY.................. GOD.............!!!!!!!!!!

What state is that where they get to run emergenyc lights and siren, run code 3 to "calls" and just generally be that big of ****** bags?

"We get that ass"? That is the epitome of professionalism right there!!!



You have that in policy? WOW! That's ridiculous.

Our warning is officer presence, and that is all. You get about 0.5 seconds warning, or however long it takes to clear the holster and squeeze.



One department had a shooting of an innocent bystander by 3 reserve officers that had NO training. Shot a father of 2 who just happened to be in the wrong place wrong time. $500K lawsuit later al area departments have similar policy.

S.O.Interceptor
02-25-2012, 16:54
One department had a shooting of an innocent bystander by 3 reserve officers that had NO training. Shot a father of 2 who just happened to be in the wrong place wrong time. $500K lawsuit later al area departments have similar policy.

What does shooting the wrong person have to do with telling an armed suspect to drop the gun, and giving him multiple opportunities to kill the officers before they are allowed to shoot?

It sounds like instead of TRAINING their reserves properly, they decided it's cheaper to just place other officer's lives in danger. After all, spouses of dead officers rarely sue the department, so a dead officer is cheaper than a dead suspect. There is some brilliant logic. :upeyes:

Nanuk
02-25-2012, 21:40
Words are NOT enough.... They could make real money just making funny videos.

Magicmanmb
02-26-2012, 11:49
What does shooting the wrong person have to do with telling an armed suspect to drop the gun, and giving him multiple opportunities to kill the officers before they are allowed to shoot?

It sounds like instead of TRAINING their reserves properly, they decided it's cheaper to just place other officer's lives in danger. After all, spouses of dead officers rarely sue the department, so a dead officer is cheaper than a dead suspect. There is some brilliant logic. :upeyes:

Lawyers & Insurance companies. You would be surprized how short a time it takes to say it twice. They only specified we have to say it not the amount of time they have to respond. Say it twice as fast as you can the next range session then fire.

Magicmanmb
02-26-2012, 11:59
Apparently the requirement for security guards is a pulse can't spell taser. Would you trust your property life or loved ones to someone running a security company out of there back yard?

fpgeek
02-26-2012, 21:29
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/02/05/020512-news-detroit-vigilantes-1-5/

Apparently, this is the group featured in the photo:

http://www.threatmanagementcenters.com/DECA-PROGRAM.html

Alrighty then . . . .

When I worked in Detroit in the 1990s, there were private security patrols in Boston-Edison and other neighborhoods. Private patrols are in other Michigan cities too.

fpgeek
02-26-2012, 21:38
Apparently the requirement for security guards is a pulse can't spell taser. Would you trust your property life or loved ones to someone running a security company out of there back yard?

Until March 2001, all a guard needed in Michigan was an eighth grade education. Any hired after that date had to have a GED or high school diploma. Agency licensees only need 3-4 years of experience in addition to the GED or HS diploma.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ythkao45cidapmibs1ks5255))/mileg.aspx?page=shortlinkdisplay&docname=mcl-338-1067

themiller
02-26-2012, 23:14
Apparently the requirement for security guards is a pulse can't spell taser. Would you trust your property life or loved ones to someone running a security company out of there back yard?

the irony is strong in this post :tongueout:

dooga
02-26-2012, 23:44
Forget the sunroof - what about those Zubaz? Aww yeah, bringing back a classicHa ha. Tiger stripe fatigues. Vietnam era?

steveksux
02-27-2012, 01:04
Ha ha. Tiger stripe fatigues. Vietnam era?Its a mark of distinction... only Special Farces get to wear the black and white tiger stripe fatigues.... :whistling:

Randy

Magicmanmb
02-27-2012, 10:59
Ha ha. Tiger stripe fatigues. Vietnam era?

I have my brothers old tilt top pockets tiger stripe from Vietnam somewhere along with his beret. Difference is he earned the right to wear his. Just like I earned the right to wear mine. Didn't take a 2 day course for it.

danielspdx
02-27-2012, 12:13
At ~4.2 officers per 1000 residents, they have about 2.5 times more officers than my department, and Detroit is less than 30% larger. Wow.

Not locking up criminals? Not enough actual street officers? What gives?

PettyOfficer
02-27-2012, 12:21
At ~4.2 officers per 1000 residents, they have about 2.5 times more officers than my department, and Detroit is less than 30% larger. Wow.

Not locking up criminals? Not enough actual street officers? What gives?

30% larger by population or actual area? I grew up there, Detroit is huge but recent economic events have taken a serious toll on the population. It's size is difficult to manage, even the once affluent neighborhoods have high crime rates.

danielspdx
02-27-2012, 12:30
30% larger by population or actual area? I grew up there, Detroit is huge but recent economic events have taken a serious toll on the population. It's size is difficult to manage, even the once affluent neighborhoods have high crime rates.

I was wrong in my numbers. We're at ~580,000 people in 145 sq.mi. and Detroit is at ~718,000 people in 143 sq.mi., so Detroit has about 24% more people in the same area.

I completely understand I work in a veritable utopia compared to Detroit, but I have a hard time comprehending having 2.5 times the number of officers and having an average response time of 24 minutes.

This tells me Detroit is literally out of control, the criminals either aren't being caught, aren't held in jail, or both. It also implies to me that they may need to evaluate the distribution of their resources. I'm sure the city is broke, which doesn't help.

PettyOfficer
02-27-2012, 13:00
This tells me Detroit is literally out of control, the criminals either aren't being caught, aren't held in jail, or both. It also implies to me that they may need to evaluate the distribution of their resources. I'm sure the city is broke, which doesn't help.

Or the states handgun laws need to loosen up a little to make buying easier ;)

ancient_serpent
02-27-2012, 13:01
I'm betting most of those "tactical" pouches are full of candy.

GumbyDammit
02-27-2012, 14:20
I'm betting most of those "tactical" pouches are full of candy.

Lol... a regular sized Snickers fits pretty well in a Safariland Glock mag holder :) (courtesy of a guy in my academy class btw)

Magicmanmb
02-27-2012, 16:55
Lol... a regular sized Snickers fits pretty well in a Safariland Glock mag holder :) (courtesy of a guy in my academy class btw)

Hey if a Snickers keeps you from having to go hands on with some guy that's just finished a few grams of meth. I'm all for giving it to him.

Jackalo626
02-27-2012, 19:38
Am I being punked????? This can't be real. This has to be an elaborate joke!

jpa
02-28-2012, 21:01
WOW! At least they are making $$ and people are signing up for the job. Way to go!

Have you read the "application process"?


Applicants must send a copy of their police clearance, 3 videos of recommendation (by mms to email stating the persons name, contact phone number and their recommendation of the applicant), along with a current photo of themselves for ID, a picture of the interior and exterior of their residency, and lastly a picture of their car, along with their license plate. (Send to infralogistics@gmail.com)


That must be so they know which applicants have cool cars and flat screens they can steal.

I was crying I was laughing so hard at their site. I wonder how many students have fallen from the 8 foot balance beams and landed with an M4 up their ass.

Unistat
02-29-2012, 07:11
This tells me Detroit is literally out of control, the criminals either aren't being caught, aren't held in jail, or both. It also implies to me that they may need to evaluate the distribution of their resources. I'm sure the city is broke, which doesn't help.

DING! DING! DING!

They are looking at ways to re-allocate resources, For example, a few months ago DPD removed night time front desk officers and put them out on patrol.

HoldHard
02-29-2012, 08:01
Or the states handgun laws need to loosen up a little to make buying easier ;)Never going to happen. Ever.

"Jim Crow" type laws have been on the books since the 1920's where a pistol purchase permit has to be issued from the local police department or county sherriff's office to buy a handgun. The recent exception to this law was if you had a Concealed Pistol License (CPL), you filled out a form online (with the manufacturer, caliber, serial number, etc) and mailed or dropped that off at the police department.

If you don't have a CPL, the purchase permit has to be obtained first and then after the weapon purchase has been made, brought into the police department. For a while, they required that you bring the weapon in for a "safety check" where the manufacturer, caliber and serial number are verified against the form. The purchase permit is only valid for ten (10) days. Details at MCL 28.422 (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-225113--,00.html)

Yes, Michigan has had handgun registration for over 90 years making sure the "bad" people don't have access to handguns. (Like the NICS check done by the selling FFL dealer wasn't enough....)

HH

steveksux
05-09-2012, 16:54
Happened to end up tailing them to get the pics.... First contact was at Oakman below 6 mile, they took 6 to Woodward. Not wanting to blow my cover, I kept up Oakman for a few blocks, then took sidestreets to Woodward. Let them pass me, got the first pic (from behind). Then took the underpass at 8 mile, while they took the overpass... Couldn't manuever into position to get the good shot, so let them take the 696 underpass, I took the overpass. Its tough surveilling someone with only 1 chase car... :supergrin:

Finally caught up with them before 12 mile, got the pic from the side.

So long story short, they're still in business...

You can probably make out the phone # if you want to sign up for any training, according to the sign in the window, they do LEO training also... :whistling:

Randy

maddog3241
05-09-2012, 16:58
Happened to end up tailing them to get the pics.... First contact was at Oakman below 6 mile, they took 6 to Woodward. Not wanting to blow my cover, I kept up Oakman for a few blocks, then took sidestreets to Woodward. Let them pass me, got the first pic (from behind). Then took the underpass at 8 mile, while they took the overpass... Couldn't manuever into position to get the good shot, so let them take the 696 underpass, I took the overpass. Its tough surveilling someone with only 1 chase car... :supergrin:

Finally caught up with them before 12 mile, got the pic from the side.

So long story short, they're still in business...

You can probably make out the phone # if you want to sign up for any training, according to the sign in the window, they do LEO training also... :whistling:

Randy

WOW.... Just WOW.... Do you think they made you???? :rofl:

lpo
05-09-2012, 17:15
WOW.... Just WOW.... Do you think they made you???? :rofl:

What would they do if they did make him? Throw a slightly stale Snickers bar at him?? :rofl:

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ArcAngel
05-09-2012, 17:31
You guys all laugh at them. But they are all that stands between some decent people and a violent death. At least they are trying to help.

CJStudent
05-09-2012, 17:46
You guys all laugh at them. But they are all that stands between some decent people and a violent death. At least they are trying to help.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nick.45
05-09-2012, 18:47
Just watched the video from page 1 for the first time. At 6:50, are the words "tactical Beam" really spray painted on that steel beam? Wow, just wow.

steveksux
05-09-2012, 21:50
WOW.... Just WOW.... Do you think they made you???? :rofl:Hard to tell, from the pic, it WAS the COMMANDER, and the first rule of counter-counter-counter-intelligence is not to let the guy tailing you know you're onto him.


What would they do if they did make him? Throw a slightly stale Snickers bar at him?? :rofl:

Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engineFor all I know, they had already pulled a stale Snickers bar out of their candy bar bandolero and had it half unwrapped by the time I got a hinky feeling and peeled off to turn down 12 mile road.... I have mad ninjitsu driving skills, but these guys are clearly consummate professionals too....

We'll never know how close I came to having a snickers bar protruding from my chest.... :whistling:

Randy

janice6
05-09-2012, 22:09
I was wrong in my numbers. We're at ~580,000 people in 145 sq.mi. and Detroit is at ~718,000 people in 143 sq.mi., so Detroit has about 24% more people in the same area.

I completely understand I work in a veritable utopia compared to Detroit, but I have a hard time comprehending having 2.5 times the number of officers and having an average response time of 24 minutes.

This tells me Detroit is literally out of control, the criminals either aren't being caught, aren't held in jail, or both. It also implies to me that they may need to evaluate the distribution of their resources. I'm sure the city is broke, which doesn't help.



Sounds like they just have more thugs per capita. Then they need more police per capita.

Wonder how long before the concealed carry permits are necessary to protect themselves from these "wannabes" also.

msu_grad_121
05-09-2012, 22:54
You guys all laugh at them. But they are all that stands between some decent people and a violent death. At least they are trying to help.

Oh man...THIS guy again...

DocCasualty
05-09-2012, 23:19
I skipped all but the first page of the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating something already posted. From the original article, HTF did self-defense become vigilantism, especially in view of a PD that has no capability to respond in a timely fashion?

Journalists with an agenda . . .

msu_grad_121
05-09-2012, 23:20
That city is ****ed. The ex Chief of Police just got beat up and robbed in his own yard.

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

DocCasualty
05-09-2012, 23:31
Never going to happen. Ever.

HH

I hope you're wrong. I understand there's a Bill in the MI legislature now to get rid of the registration crap we've dealt with forever. Time will tell.

oldman11
05-09-2012, 23:39
Kudos to the citizens for taking their community back.

captdreifus
05-10-2012, 03:06
May I inquire what "tactical law" is?!?!? I need to apply to the law school that teaches such tactical-ness!

Sendarr
05-10-2012, 04:48
HOME->PHOTOS->Hot chicks in neoninja gear.

I saw no hot chicks :dunno:

steveksux
05-10-2012, 07:04
May I inquire what "tactical law" is?!?!? I need to apply to the law school that teaches such tactical-ness!Do they make 5.11 pinstriped suits?

Randy

steveksux
05-10-2012, 07:06
That city is ****ed. The ex Chief of Police just got beat up and robbed in his own yard.

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.I saw that, God help me, Detroit has had so many chiefs over the years I didn't even recognize his name...

Sounded like he was unarmed from the article I saw. I bet that answers the question whether he came up the ranks as a street cop...

He's between the Lodge, Greenfield, below 7 mile. He may be in a small pocket of relative paradise, but that near northwest side has some of the highest crime in the city, 2nd overall and highest per capita if I recall correctly. He should know better than be unarmed.

Randy

HoldHard
05-10-2012, 07:12
I hope you're wrong. I understand there's a Bill in the MI legislature now to get rid of the registration crap we've dealt with forever. Time will tell.
Senate Bill 59 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mlmavn455o5wtrijarwgsl45))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2011-SB-0059)

2011 Senate Bill 59: Move CPL issuance to Secretary of State

•Introduced by Sen. Michael Green (R) on January 25, 2011, to eliminate county concealed weapon licensing boards, and transfer the responsibility for issuing concealed pistol license (CPL) licenses to the Secretary of State.
◦Referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee on January 25, 2011.
■Reported in the Senate on February 1, 2012, with the recommendation that the bill be referred to the Committee on Natural Resources, Environment and Great Lakes.
◦Referred to the Senate Natural Resources, Environment & Great Lakes Committee on February 1, 2012.
■Reported in the Senate on March 27, 2012, with the recommendation that the substitute (S-3) be adopted and that the bill then pass.

It still has a long way to go. It has not reached the House as yet and may "die in committee" in the upcoming election year.

Going to a Secretary of State (SoS) office in Metro Detroit is already an excercise in frustration. If you really want the full experience, go on a Saturday. Normally the line will contain 40 or 50 people waiting to take a number and then another 40 to 50 people waiting for their number to be called. The SoS already is overburdened with people that don't want to work. They curretly have to handle drivers licenses, license plates, vehicle sales tax collection, vehicle registration, "enhanced" drivers licenses for border crossing and a ton of other crap.

It's a circus.

People don't bring the correct documentation for their transaction. They go to the service counter two and three times only to find that the need another document that they didn't bring and have to go home to get it. When they return, they get put to the "head" of the line and that causes turmoil.

Now add 320,000 people who want to renew their CPL to those lines and see what happens. Those that carry will be pissed that they have to endure this circus of stupidity while those that are there for "normal" license and vehicle transactions are pissed at the longer lines caused by all the CPL holders.

Adding the CPL workload to a group of people that just don't want to work might be a mistake. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

HH

DocCasualty
05-10-2012, 13:38
Senate Bill 59 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28mlmavn455o5wtrijarwgsl45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2011-SB-0059)

HH
Thanks for that but that's not what I was referring to. For those of us not in the City, the SOS office is a breeze, so I'm personally not seeing the downside. Here the gun board only meets once a month, which just adds to the hassle of renewing.

I'm trying to find the article I read about some bill to end pistol registration. I think I'm remembering that correctly. I'll see what I can find.
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Michigan House Committee to Consider Repeal of Handgun Permit-to-Purchase and Registration

Posted on May 2, 2012








The Michigan House Judiciary Committee will have a hearing on Thursday, May 17, to review an important and long-overdue bill that would eliminate the state handgun “permit-to-purchase” and registration requirements. This committee will hear House Bill 5225 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billintroduced/House/htm/2011-HIB-5225.htm) and consider this proposed amendment language (http://www.nraila.org/media/6033552/hb5225_substitute_language.pdf) that will be used as a substitute for HB 5225 when this hearing takes place.

HB 5225, introduced by state Representative Paul Opsommer (R-93), would abolish the bureaucratic “permit-to-purchase” handguns which became obsolete when the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) went into effect in 1998. Under the current state system, gun buyers must apply with their local law enforcement agency and pass a written test before being authorized to buy a handgun. This “permit” is valid for only one gun and it expires after ten days. Since 1998, federal law has required a national criminal records check for the purchase of any firearm from any gun dealer in every state. Some of the key points of the proposed amendment (http://www.nraila.org/media/6033552/hb5225_substitute_language.pdf) to HB 5225 are:


Repeal the state requirement for someone to ask for police permission to purchase a firearm by traveling to a local police station and obtaining a permit to purchase.
Repeal the requirement to register a completely legally purchased and owned firearm by a law-abiding citizen to be registered with the government through the police.
Adopt the use of the federally-funded National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
Default to the federal standard of prohibited persons and each purchase would still require a background check.
Cut Michigan’s costs by using the federally-administered instant background check system and eliminate wasted man-hours of tracking lawful gun owners in Michigan.

The NRA has been working diligently to repeal this antiquated, costly and unnecessary obstacle for gun owners and has coordinated with several state Representatives to produce new language for HB 5225. Two companion bills are also moving through the House: House Bill 5498 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billintroduced/House/htm/2012-HIB-5498.htm), sponsored by state Representative Richard LeBlanc (D-18), and House Bill 5499 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billintroduced/House/htm/2012-HIB-5499.htm), sponsored by state Representative Ray Franz (R-101).
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/05/michigan-house-committee-to-consider-repeal-of-handgun-permit-to-purchase-and-registration.aspx?s=&st=&ps=

bccop
05-10-2012, 17:03
Tactical Shooting Positions - YouTube



I wish I could train with them. I guess I need to be content with watching thier videos...

Morris
05-10-2012, 17:10
Five bucks says not one of those goobers has been to places like Thunder Ranch, Pat Rogers' courses, Jeff Gonzalez, etc. Okay, maybe a course or two at Front Sight . . .

Would love to see them pop up at the NPRC to show those dumb coppers how to really shoot the guns . . .

Security professionals don't need to strut, especially in gucchiflauge and H2s . . .

Unistat
05-10-2012, 19:07
Senate Bill 59 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mlmavn455o5wtrijarwgsl45))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2011-SB-0059)

2011 Senate Bill 59: Move CPL issuance to Secretary of State...

This bill has been substantially altered from the original proposal. Gun Boards would go away and the authority if CPLs would go to the County Sheriff. In addition to this, and this is the big whopper, a CPL holder could take an advanced class and get the PFZ exemption box checked on the card!

From the Committee Summary:
-- Effective January 1, 2013, eliminate county concealed weapon licensing boards and transfer their duties and functions to county sheriffs.
-- Refer to a "licensing authority" rather than a concealed weapon licensing board.
-- Allow an applicant for a concealed pistol license (CPL) or a licensee who was a certified firearms instructor or who completed additional training to seek an exemption from a prohibition against carrying a concealed pistol on certain premises (no-carry zones).
-- Reduce the timeline for processing an initial or renewal CPL application.
-- Authorize a licensing authority to require a CPL applicant to appear before it only if the authority had reason to believe the applicant might not qualify for a license.
-- Require the application fee to be partially refunded to an individual whose application was not processed within the prescribed timeline.
-- Require each county to establish a concealed pistol licensing fund for administration of the law.
-- Require immediate reinstatement of a suspended CPL when the suspension period expired, and prescribe a maximum fee of $10 for the reinstatement and return of a license.
-- Revise provisions related to the appeal of a license denial.
-- Revise the information that must be included in an annual report to the Legislature by the Michigan Department of State Police (MSP).
-- Revise requirements for the pistol safety training course required for a CPL.
-- Require the county clerk to notify a licensee before his or her CPL expired.
-- Require the MSP to give to each licensing authority copies of a compilation of the State's firearms laws; information regarding the rights and responsibilities of applicants, licensees, and licensing authorities; and forms to appeal a CPL denial, suspension, or revocation.

So the bill was on track to pass through and then some special interests heard about it (mostly hospital type-folk I hear) and the bill was sidelined. Some State Senators who were going to vote yes are now on the fence. So now things are on hold while the sponsor tries to shore up the willie-nillies.

DonGlock26
05-10-2012, 19:10
Happened to end up tailing them to get the pics.... First contact was at Oakman below 6 mile, they took 6 to Woodward. Not wanting to blow my cover, I kept up Oakman for a few blocks, then took sidestreets to Woodward. Let them pass me, got the first pic (from behind). Then took the underpass at 8 mile, while they took the overpass... Couldn't manuever into position to get the good shot, so let them take the 696 underpass, I took the overpass. Its tough surveilling someone with only 1 chase car... :supergrin:

Finally caught up with them before 12 mile, got the pic from the side.

So long story short, they're still in business...

You can probably make out the phone # if you want to sign up for any training, according to the sign in the window, they do LEO training also... :whistling:

Randy

Damn, you tailed the "Commander". That's like going canopy to canopy in Top Gun. :supergrin:

_

steveksux
05-10-2012, 19:14
Tactical Shooting Positions - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn0GfpsYe-0&feature=channel&list=UL)



I wish I could train with them. I guess I need to be content with watching thier videos..."Roll right!!!! The OTHER right!!!" :rofl:

Randy

nikerret
05-10-2012, 19:58
HOME->PHOTOS->Hot chicks in neoninja gear.

I saw no hot chicks :dunno:

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee316/nikerret/USSFGirls.jpg

The two on the ends look the best, to me; especially, the one on the far left. I've done way worse.

CJStudent
05-10-2012, 20:08
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee316/nikerret/USSFGirls.jpg

The two on the ends look the best, to me; especially, the one on the far left. I've done way worse.

I'd agree with that, and also that I've done way worse :rofl:

msu_grad_121
05-10-2012, 20:36
I'd agree with that, and also that I've done way worse :rofl:

Sadly so have I, but I can maintain my dignity by saying that never have I done worse while not a .15 or better.

I guess if they're getting paid good, then it's none of my concern, but it just makes me shake my head all the way around, ya know? But to each their own.

CJStudent
05-10-2012, 20:40
Sadly so have I, but I can maintain my dignity by saying that never have I done worse while not a .15 or better.

I guess if they're getting paid good, then it's none of my concern, but it just makes me shake my head all the way around, ya know? But to each their own.

I worked security for most of the major companies local to me before I got into corrections. The last one I worked for, who has since closed the local office, had to be the most wackerish (probably because it was also the only armed agency I worked for, with a VERY police-like uniform and vehicle markings (I think I posted some pics a few years ago, lol) ). Lots of stories from there, though at least we started the local office exclusively with people with prior law enforcement or military experience (I was actually the ONLY one without prior law enforcement experience of some kind). After we started hiring anybody and everybody (corporate cut our starting pay rates, and you get what you pay for) it went way downhill.

Even then, though, we didn't hold a candle to these buffoons.

nikerret
05-10-2012, 20:55
Sadly so have I, but I can maintain my dignity by saying that never have I done worse while not a .15 or better.


I never said I wasn't tasting music when it happened. :whistling:

bccop
05-10-2012, 21:53
Check out some of their cool vehicles...

Threat Management participates in Mack Alive 20th Annual Parade - YouTube

I especially like their promotional video. OMG they have boats!!!

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I recently got in touch with the Commander and it sounds like I'll be the first recruit in Canada... They are calling us the Canadian Uniformed Neighbourhood Team.

I will be V.I.P.E.R. C.U.N.T. 69 (Kung-fu) Panda

msu_grad_121
05-11-2012, 00:20
BCCop - I'm pretty ticked at you... That was 7+ minutes of my life I can't get back! I especially got annoyed with the one guy lovin all up on the scope on the AR. I'd love to hand him something with some kick and see if he uses the same technique - enjoy your scope eye!

Oh, and you spelled "neighborhood" wrong... :tongueout:

bccop
05-11-2012, 01:27
BCCop - I'm pretty ticked at you... That was 7+ minutes of my life I can't get back! I especially got annoyed with the one guy lovin all up on the scope on the AR. I'd love to hand him something with some kick and see if he uses the same technique - enjoy your scope eye!

Oh, and you spelled "neighborhood" wrong... :tongueout:

Sorry, it's that Canadian spelling, eh.

I think this one actually got a bit of scope bite at the beginning....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=kC1JRIHh0a4

I'm still trying to figure these guys out.... Lots of money for vehicles yet the training makes them look like a bunch of posers (to the point of making me wonder if it's intentional because it is that bad). Not to mention some of the cheap kit like that Tasco scope.

Morris
05-11-2012, 11:59
Lordy . . . a Tasco on a handle on a 9mm rifle . . . even better - a scope on top of a detachable handle. I see a shotgun without illumination (guess it's for daytime, outdoors use only).

Again, the best professionals I have ever worked with in security were the ones you never realized were in high risk security. They didn't need black vehicles, catchy acronyms.

steveksux
05-11-2012, 18:39
Five bucks says not one of those goobers has been to places like Thunder Ranch, Pat Rogers' courses, Jeff Gonzalez, etc. Okay, maybe a course or two at Front Sight . . . Those are Tacti-goobers to you, sir!!

Don't hate the player, hate the game.... :whistling:

Damn, you tailed the "Commander". That's like going canopy to canopy in Top Gun. :supergrin:

_You might say I was the Master of the Commander.... :rofl::supergrin: I even look like Russel Crowe if I do say so myself. :whistling:

Randy

maddog3241
05-11-2012, 23:49
Those are Tacti-goobers to you, sir!!

Don't hate the player, hate the game.... :whistling:

You might say I was the Master of the Commander.... :rofl::supergrin: I even look like Russel Crowe if I do say so myself. :whistling:

Randy
You sir are da man!!!! :rofl: