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steveksux
02-11-2012, 15:44
So, looks like I'll be visiting Vegas in April.

Looking at handgunlaw.us, any other helpful info appreciated.

What I think that says:
No carry in the terminals of airports, assuming that includes non-secure areas?
Planning on visiting Grand Canyon, so any helicopter rides, would have to leave in the car it looks like.

Signs have no legal weight, only prohibited in public buildings like schools, govt buildings, including police, and such

Casinos are fine, they may ask you to leave if you're discovered, and you must then leave.

No drinking while carrying, restaurants that serve like Red Lobster, etc ok. Bars not ok. Is it a 51% rule like Michigan?

Didn't see anything about backup guns. Knives ok < 3".

Last time I looked the county Las Vegas was in had more restrictions, and I don't think MI permit was valid there, you had to apply to them to get permit. That seems to not be the case, state pre-emption has taken precedence now, MI permit is good statewide in NV now.

Anything I missed or have wrong? Open carry an option? Not planning on it, but if the wind blows up my shirt, is it like FL where you can be in trouble because open carry is illegal?

Randy

CTfam
02-11-2012, 16:21
I bought a cheap folder out there and ditched it before my flight out. I wasn't in a postion to be packing heat out there. :drink:

Kodiak Ken
02-11-2012, 16:31
I think you have it mostly right. If a business posts a no gun sign every exit then you are not supposed to bring one in. They can ask you to leave and if you don't it becomes a trespass issue.

For more information, check out Nevada Shooters: http://www.nevadashooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31

Good luck in Vegas

xmanhockey7
02-11-2012, 16:47
So, looks like I'll be visiting Vegas in April.

Looking at handgunlaw.us, any other helpful info appreciated.

What I think that says:
No carry in the terminals of airports, assuming that includes non-secure areas?
Planning on visiting Grand Canyon, so any helicopter rides, would have to leave in the car it looks like.

Signs have no legal weight, only prohibited in public buildings like schools, govt buildings, including police, and such

Casinos are fine, they may ask you to leave if you're discovered, and you must then leave.

No drinking while carrying, restaurants that serve like Red Lobster, etc ok. Bars not ok. Is it a 51% rule like Michigan?

Didn't see anything about backup guns. Knives ok < 3".

Last time I looked the county Las Vegas was in had more restrictions, and I don't think MI permit was valid there, you had to apply to them to get permit. That seems to not be the case, state pre-emption has taken precedence now, MI permit is good statewide in NV now.

Anything I missed or have wrong? Open carry an option? Not planning on it, but if the wind blows up my shirt, is it like FL where you can be in trouble because open carry is illegal?

Randy

I know you're asking about NV law but Michigan does not have a "51% rule". The law requires that their primary source of income be from the sale of alcohol by the glass to be consumed on premises. But there is no "51% rule". And no they are not the same thing.

kensteele
02-11-2012, 17:18
While carrying at the grand canyon, i never entered any building whatsoever. that included the restroom that were buildings, instead i used the portable restrooms. since this was my 5th time there, no need to go inside of anything. don't know about the shuttle bus.

im413
02-11-2012, 18:08
You are close. Signs hold no legal weight except in Govt Buildings. NV is a very gun friendly state outside of Clark County (it's where Las Vegas is) the City of North Las Vegas used to have California Style Laws, but they were struck down by the state 4 years ago. They still try to enforce them from time to time, but lose there rear end in court Everytime.

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jpa
02-11-2012, 18:20
Very few hotels will hassle you as long as concealed remains concealed. The MGM Grand Garden Arena (concerts and such), the Hard Rock Cafe on the Strip and the Stratosphere tower have metal detectors and will ask you to go put your gun away. I heard MGM security will secure it for you, Hard Rock Cafe did the same for me (locked file cabinet in their office).

There is no law against carrying in a bar. The law is that you may not be in possession of a firearm while intoxicated, and the limit is .10, not .08. So you can have a drink or two while carrying and be perfectly legal. Not the best idea and I expect the anti-drinkers to start flaming the idea any second. However it's not illegal to do so.

Open carry is legal, brandishing is a non-existent law. Closest we have is "Drawing a deadly weapon in a threatening manner."

I would leave the gun behind if you're doing one of the helicopter tours. They don't use metal detectors and there is no TSA screening, but I'd imagine someone would have a problem with it.

The only restriction that recently changed regarding Clark county was the requirement for non-residents to register their firearms. It doesn't apply anymore so you're GTG.

swinokur
02-12-2012, 04:38
Don't OC on the strip unless you want a visit from Metro.

kensteele
02-12-2012, 14:04
and by all means, don't visit costco.

steveksux
02-12-2012, 17:12
I know you're asking about NV law but Michigan does not have a "51% rule". The law requires that their primary source of income be from the sale of alcohol by the glass to be consumed on premises. But there is no "51% rule". And no they are not the same thing.What's the difference then? If they make less than 50% on alcohol sales its not their primary source of income. If its >51% its their primary source of income.

Randy

xmanhockey7
02-12-2012, 21:26
What's the difference then? If they make less than 50% on alcohol sales its not their primary source of income. If its >51% its their primary source of income.

Randy

Not necessarily. Lets say the bar or tavern sells food, merchandise (clothes, key chains, golf balls with their logo, hats, jackets, etc.), and of course alcohol sold and consumed on premises by the glass. Food accounts for 30% of the businesses income, merchandise accounts for another 30%, and alcohol accounts for 40% of their income. Is the percentage of alcohol sold over 50%? No. Is it their primary source of income? Yes and that would make it a pistol free zone*.

*Open carry with a CPL would still be legal.

28.425o
d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision does not apply to an owner or employee of the business. The Michigan liquor control commission shall develop and make available to holders of licenses under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, an appropriate sign stating that "This establishment prohibits patrons from carrying concealed weapons". The owner or operator of an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, may, but is not required to, post the sign developed under this subdivision. A record made available by an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, necessary to enforce this subdivision is exempt from disclosure under the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.

steveksux
02-12-2012, 21:51
Not necessarily. Lets say the bar or tavern sells food, merchandise (clothes, key chains, golf balls with their logo, hats, jackets, etc.), and of course alcohol sold and consumed on premises by the glass. Food accounts for 30% of the businesses income, merchandise accounts for another 30%, and alcohol accounts for 40% of their income. Is the percentage of alcohol sold over 50%? No. Is it their primary source of income? Yes and that would make it a pistol free zone*.

*Open carry with a CPL would still be legal.

If that's the case, then I would say alcohol is not the primary source of income. Merch and food are.

Any case law on that? That would be the acid test.

Randy

xmanhockey7
02-12-2012, 22:34
If that's the case, then I would say alcohol is not the primary source of income. Merch and food are.

Any case law on that? That would be the acid test.

Randy

Good point. I'm honestly not 100% sure now. I posted this on migunowners.com.

steveksux
02-12-2012, 23:17
Good point. I'm honestly not 100% sure now. I posted this on migunowners.com.Thanks.... yeah, until some court somewhere sorts it out, it could really go either way.

Probably depends on which type of bar they catch the first test case in and if they feel like hanging him out to dry... :rofl:

Randy

xmanhockey7
02-12-2012, 23:31
Thanks.... yeah, until some court somewhere sorts it out, it could really go either way.

Probably depends on which type of bar they catch the first test case in and if they feel like hanging him out to dry... :rofl:

Randy

Yeah I think we need more ways to confuse people on the gun laws in Michigan.

Lowjiber
02-13-2012, 05:24
and by all means, don't visit costco.
I didn't know there was an issue at Costco. I live in Vegas and shop while CC'ing at Costco all the time.

Have you found problems?

swinokur
02-13-2012, 09:44
He is referring to Erik Scott, the CCW holder who was shot and killed at the Costco in Summerlin when he disobeyed Metro's orders and pointed his weapon at them as he exited the store. He was shot dead.

Turns out he was on heavy doses of misused medications which may have altered his sense of reality. The Metro cops were exonerated.

kensteele
02-13-2012, 16:49
I didn't know there was an issue at Costco. I live in Vegas and shop while CC'ing at Costco all the time.

Have you found problems?

He is referring to Erik Scott, the CCW holder who was shot and killed at the Costco in Summerlin when he disobeyed Metro's orders and pointed his weapon at them as he exited the store. He was shot dead.

Turns out he was on heavy doses of misused medications which may have altered his sense of reality. The Metro cops were exonerated.

Yeah something like that. My point was costco called the cops on him.

jpa
02-13-2012, 17:13
He is referring to Erik Scott, the CCW holder who was shot and killed at the Costco in Summerlin when he disobeyed Metro's orders and pointed his weapon at them as he exited the store. He was shot dead.

Turns out he was on heavy doses of misused medications which may have altered his sense of reality. The Metro cops were exonerated.

*snort* not this crap again....

Warp
02-13-2012, 19:59
Yeah something like that. My point was costco called the cops on him.

As you probably know there was more than this to the story.

harrygunner
02-13-2012, 20:55
Simple, get an Arizona permit by mail. Nevada recognizes it for concealed carry.

Call AZ DPS and ask for an application. They will accept your Michigan permit as proof of training (or several other certificates or forms). Mail in your application, fingerprints, money order, etc. and you'll receive that permit long before April.

I did that late 2011 when I realized I'd be in Nevada quite a bit. It took one month to receive the permit.

kensteele
02-14-2012, 11:12
As you probably know there was more than this to the story.

Yes I am aware. Hundreds of hours and thousands of pages more to this story. I discarded all of that to make my one little point in my one short sentence. If you go into a costco, they might call the police on you. If you go into a sams, they might not. The rest is up to you.

eracer
02-14-2012, 11:22
Simple, get an Arizona permit by mail. Nevada recognizes it for concealed carry.

Call AZ DPS and ask for an application. They will accept your Michigan permit as proof of training (or several other certificates or forms). Mail in your application, fingerprints, money order, etc. and you'll receive that permit long before April.

I did that late 2011 when I realized I'd be in Nevada quite a bit. It took one month to receive the permit.This is exactly what I am in the process of doing, since NV isn't reciprocal with FL.

Warp
02-14-2012, 21:35
Yes I am aware. Hundreds of hours and thousands of pages more to this story. I discarded all of that to make my one little point in my one short sentence. If you go into a costco, they might call the police on you. If you go into a sams, they might not. The rest is up to you.

If you go into a Costco, they may or may not call the police on you.

If you go into a Sams, they may or may not call the police on you.

For the record I have openly carried into some of each with no incident.

steveksux
02-14-2012, 22:21
Simple, get an Arizona permit by mail. Nevada recognizes it for concealed carry.

Call AZ DPS and ask for an application. They will accept your Michigan permit as proof of training (or several other certificates or forms). Mail in your application, fingerprints, money order, etc. and you'll receive that permit long before April.

I did that late 2011 when I realized I'd be in Nevada quite a bit. It took one month to receive the permit.

only thing is.... NV recognizes MI permit... don't need to get AZ permit.

Randy

PirateLookingAtForty
02-15-2012, 12:48
Anything I missed or have wrong? Open carry an option? Not planning on it, but if the wind blows up my shirt, is it like FL where you can be in trouble because open carry is illegal?

No worries about that.