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Two Guns
02-12-2012, 21:51
What do all you guys like for an optic for your defensive AR15 ? This is not for a sniper rifle but for a defensive type AR. I will be getting an optic to go on top of my carry handle as my AR is an A2 with fixed carry handle.Thanks in advance.

Ruggles
02-12-2012, 22:04
My choice in optics was this:

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Products/Riflescopes/8485/M-223-1-4x20.html

It serves well at the 1x level in close quarters and the flexibility of 2x, 3x or 4x is a plus IMO. Good quality and affordable price :)

Many great choice in optics these days it seems.

12131
02-12-2012, 22:04
Aimpoint Micro.

denn1911
02-12-2012, 22:04
I prefer a Red Dot sight for my defensive AR. The RD is fast to pick up and allows for distances from CQB to at least 200 yards. I have an Aimpoint Micro on top of mine presently, and it has been great. Good luck.

MrMurphy
02-12-2012, 22:50
Aimpoint H-1 (Micro).

The A2 handle will not give you many options, the most effective one (still a compromise) is a "gooseneck". Aimpoint makes one specifically for this purpose as do a few others, which mounts a red dot forward of the carry handle over the handguard and allows cowitness.

WoodenPlank
02-13-2012, 00:58
Aimpoint H-1 (Micro).

The A2 handle will not give you many options, the most effective one (still a compromise) is a "gooseneck". Aimpoint makes one specifically for this purpose as do a few others, which mounts a red dot forward of the carry handle over the handguard and allows cowitness.

This, but I would say a fixed carry handle is one time to look at an optic with a bigger window, like the Aimpoint Comp M2/M3 series and PRO optics. The bigger tube makes them a little easier to use with fixed sights, IMO, but they are also heavier. A gooseneck mount is hands down the way to go, though, as an optic mounted ABOVE the carry handle is often very uncomfortable.

MrMurphy
02-13-2012, 01:01
I agree on that one, though in the end switching to a flattop receiver makes more sense.

"I" use a Micro, I wasn't recommending one specifically for that role.

In fact a 1.5 or 2X ACOG may also be an option, though they're not perfect.

Javelin
02-13-2012, 01:38
Aimpoint Micro.

I'd like a T-1 but don't own one. I have an Aimpoint Pro, EOTech 512, Trijicon Accupoint 1.5x4, and Leupold Mark 4 for my long range AR. For defensive I would choose an Aimpoint Pro or if your budget can handle it that Micro would be top choices.

USMCSergeant
02-13-2012, 03:53
For a defensive AR I'd suggest eotech. But an Aimpoint would be a close second.

I like the 65 moa reticle and the large glass window. You can keep both eyes open and not miss things in your peripheral. The large circle makes target aquisition very easy, and the center 1 moa dot helps with more precise shots. No mount is needed and BUIS sights can be flipped up and viewed clearly through the window.

Battery life is nowhere near the aimpoint, but they are tough as nails, hold a zero, allow a very fast sight picture. Aimpoints are just as tough, so either one and you can't go wrong.

NEOH212
02-13-2012, 04:04
Aimpoint Comp M4S on my Colt 6940.

Leuopold Mark 4 LR/T 4x14x50 Illuminated Mill Dot on my Bushmaster Predator.

Colt 6920 with Trijicon standard open night sights. It had a ACOG that I sold and went back to irons. I like them better out to 300 meters.

Bushmaster XM-15 with standard open sights.

(In another 15 years, I'll probably think differently on the open sights!) :rofl:

LA_357SIG
02-13-2012, 08:58
Aimpoint Micro.

ETA: I've owned an EOTech 511, Aimpoint M2, Trijicon RX01, TA50-4 ACOG, the LED and Dual illuminated RMR and I prefer the Aimpoint Micro over them all.

bullittmcqueen
02-13-2012, 10:15
Most anything made by AIMPOINT. My first and only aimpoint is an M2. However my next will be a Micro. I would be hard pressed to use anything else.

RMTactical
02-13-2012, 10:18
I have an Aimpoint Micro, but ACOG is also an excellent choice.

rhino673
02-13-2012, 10:26
I like EOtech alot. Very quick on target and built like a tank. It does tend to eat batteries pretty quick though so I keep spare double AA's handy.
It gives you plenty of warning that the batteries are dying by a flashing rectical when it's turned on.

Patriot III
02-13-2012, 10:44
Vortex SPARC has had some excellent reviews, including some torture-testing.

M&P15T
02-13-2012, 10:46
Eotech. Very easy, very fast. And you don't have the "tube" effect like with Aimpoints.

M1A Shooter
02-13-2012, 18:28
for a fixed carry handle, i would only go with a gooseneck type mount and an aimpoint or stick with irons. i had an m16a2 with the aimpoint/gooseneck on my first tour in iraq.

ScrapMetal
02-13-2012, 18:49
Aimpoint Micro 4 MOA....although I just ordered a 2 MOA...either or, take your pick.

Cole125
02-13-2012, 19:10
I agree on that one, though in the end switching to a flattop receiver makes more sense.

"I" use a Micro, I wasn't recommending one specifically for that role.

In fact a 1.5 or 2X ACOG may also be an option, though they're not perfect.

You can get a 1.5x ACOG that has a built in carry handle mount. For a HD gun its a great option because its powered by fiber optics and tritium and therefor always "on".

http://www.samson-mfg.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/Trijicon_ACOG_TA47-2.jpg

mixflip
02-13-2012, 19:26
Im running a Primary Arms micro red dot. It works and its affordable for us poor folks.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/spartaangledownview.jpg

Javelin
02-13-2012, 19:34
Im running a Primary Arms micro red dot. It works and its affordable for us poor folks.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/spartaangledownview.jpg

Why didn't you go for the Bushnell if I can ask?

Sgt.K
02-13-2012, 20:40
I chose a Mepro 21 (http://www.meprolight.com/?catid={2D1A5EA0-9AE1-4487-8E2B-CBBF5641658B}&itemid={FD44627E-1FD3-4811-969B-D59CE751DD4A}) for mine. Fiber optic/tritium so it is always "on" and no batteries. Used by the IDF. Picked mine up at Sportsmansguide for less than $500.

aptrpl6
02-13-2012, 23:42
What do all you guys like for an optic for your defensive AR15 ? This is not for a sniper rifle but for a defensive type AR. I will be getting an optic to go on top of my carry handle as my AR is an A2 with fixed carry handle.Thanks in advance.
I'm in the same boat as you with the fixed carry handle. I have a TA47 2x20 acog mounted on my carry handle and it performs quite well. Whichever sight you choose, I would just recommend picking one with an integral carry handle mount. Otherwise, the sight/scope tends to sit uncomfortably high.

boomhower
02-14-2012, 01:02
Aimpoint Pro here. It's primarily a duty gun but served HD as well. Battery life was the primary reason I chose it over eotech. Turn it on and not worry about it but once a year just to be on the safe side. Pull it out and go, no buttons to hit no muss no fuss.


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MrMurphy
02-14-2012, 04:21
Only problem with the mini ACOGs (and all of them) can be eye relief. If you're aware of it, they'll work, but i'd still prefer an Aimpoint from personal experience.

TrueGunNut
02-14-2012, 09:44
You can get a 1.5x ACOG that has a built in carry handle mount. For a HD gun its a great option because its powered by fiber optics and tritium and therefor always "on".

http://www.samson-mfg.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/Trijicon_ACOG_TA47-2.jpg


I have the ta44sg-10 and think it is the perfect optic for a 5.56mm carbine with 16" barrel. I don't need a 9x like on my 30-06 or 270 and i prefer the slight magnification and no batteries of my acog over RDS even though they have long battery lifes.

Disregarded9-side
02-14-2012, 12:53
EOTech for me. I don't shoot people for a living though, YMMV.

I like Aimpoints, but don't like the "tube effect", height over bore, or the large red dot that makes precise ranged shots more difficult.
The EOTech's reticle is ideal for my use and makes precision at a variety of ranges a possibility. Being holographic, it works for my eyes better. The wide field of view would lend itself to speed under stress.

For something that was less of a defensive carbine and more of a DMR/general purpose set-up I think an ACOG may be ideal, though my experience using them is limited. It might also be ideal if I had the income of a Goldman Sachs employee. I do hope to build an AR with a magnified optic this year, though it will probably be in 300BLK (OT).

MN-glock27
02-14-2012, 13:12
Currently using a micro red dot from PA, eventually I'll upgrade to something with a higher quality.

ancient_serpent
02-14-2012, 13:23
Currently have an EOtech 512 on a POF rifle as my primary go-to AR. Mounting a Burris Fullfield TAC30, 1-4 power optic on my RRA/BCM build.
The EOtech has been great, as expected.
Will post a review on the Burris when I get back stateside.
Had great results with the TA01NSN ACOG and the TA47-2 models.

MrMurphy
02-14-2012, 13:29
Both eyes open=no tube effect, especially with a micro.


I hit steel regularly at 250m with a 4 MOA dot.

Is there something i'm missing, or can you not aim?

Travclem
02-14-2012, 15:16
EoTech XPS 2-0 here

jrs93accord
02-14-2012, 15:18
I would recommend getting one of these.....

http://www.mountsplus.com/AR-15_Accessories/AR-15_Scope_Rings/ARMS-2.html

then buying and AIMPOINT PRO and mount it.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/aimpoint-pro-patrol-rifle-optic-red-dot-riflescope-30mm.html

FatBoy
02-14-2012, 15:43
My current go to gun is a flattop w/ an AimPoint w/ LaRue QD mount, but I have an A2 w/an ACOG that is fine also. Close range, the Flattop/AimPoint is a better option, IMHO.

FB

MrMurphy
02-14-2012, 16:26
I wouldn't recommend an ARMS mount to anyone I actually liked.

And it will sit too high. A gooseneck such as Aimpoint makes will work correctly.

mixflip
02-14-2012, 17:01
Why didn't you go for the Bushnell if I can ask?

Mostly because of the rave reviews I had heard about PA by a few buys I respect. Plus the price point was about $80 without the riser. I think the AR15 QD riser was only $20 or $30 more? I havent broken it so far and its been ran hard on my Stag Arms M8 and on my mini 14. Holds zero fine so far.

Its mainly a filler optic until I get enough money for an ACOG.

CDR_Glock
02-14-2012, 17:08
I have an Eotech 552 with 3x magnifier.


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tim12232
02-14-2012, 22:22
Nikon Prostaff BDC 3-9X40 with burris mount! also has angle mounted flip up iron sights for tacticool!

WoodenPlank
02-14-2012, 22:44
Both eyes open=no tube effect, especially with a micro.


I hit steel regularly at 250m with a 4 MOA dot.

Is there something i'm missing, or can you not aim?

Depends on the size of the target, though. Shooting for groups at anything past 100 with a 4MOA dot isn't fun. Ringing any reasonably sized piece of steel is a totally different story, though.

I wouldn't recommend an ARMS mount to anyone I actually liked.

This, a thousand times.

cyphertext
02-14-2012, 23:04
Why didn't you go for the Bushnell if I can ask?

Javelin, are you talking about the Bushnell TRS-25? Do you recommend one of those? I ask because I bought one at Cabela's to put on my son's .22 AR. We haven't shot with it yet, because the last few times we went to the range I made him shoot open sights.

I have a Millet to put on mine. Right now it is on my .22 AR and I want a different mount if I were to put it on my 5.56. But honestly, I can get a Primary Arms or another Bushnell for the price of the mount! :dunno: I don't mind paying for a quality mount for quality optics, but not sure that the Millet justifies the price of the mount. It may just need to stay on the .22

mjkeat
02-15-2012, 00:25
Are we talking about shooting for groups or defense? I imagine a defensive shooting would take place well w/i the range of a non magnified 4moa RDS.

MrMurphy
02-15-2012, 03:42
I was shooting for hits, not groups. And i made them regularly.

In Texas, 250-500m is entirely possible to be still "on your own property" and legal. Friend of mine has a solid 250m shot between the end of 1 pasture to the other end of his other (road access) and the guy across from him owns 2,000 acres (over a mile square).

Travclem
02-15-2012, 04:52
I was shooting for hits, not groups. And i made them regularly.

In Texas, 250-500m is entirely possible to be still "on your own property" and legal. Friend of mine has a solid 250m shot between the end of 1 pasture to the other end of his other (road access) and the guy across from him owns 2,000 acres (over a mile square).
2000acres is over 3 sections (square miles).



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Deployment Solu
02-15-2012, 04:57
I am running an RMR on a Spikes Carbine. Lightweight, accurate out to 200yds, and small profile. It works for me!!

TangoFoxtrot
02-15-2012, 09:31
Mostly because of the rave reviews I had heard about PA by a few buys I respect. Plus the price point was about $80 without the riser. I think the AR15 QD riser was only $20 or $30 more? I havent broken it so far and its been ran hard on my Stag Arms M8 and on my mini 14. Holds zero fine so far.

Its mainly a filler optic until I get enough money for an ACOG.

Hey mix, give your optic some time. I'm using a cheap $100 Tru-Glo with 4 recticles, with low profile and it is durable and accurate. I've been using it for months now run'n gunning and its been great. Even if it craps out, I still got my money out of it.

mgs
02-15-2012, 11:59
C-More Scout, Mike.

Bodyarmorguy
02-15-2012, 12:47
Aimpoint T1 Micro on my defensive carbine.

pag23
02-15-2012, 12:52
Javelin, are you talking about the Bushnell TRS-25? Do you recommend one of those? I ask because I bought one at Cabela's to put on my son's .22 AR. We haven't shot with it yet, because the last few times we went to the range I made him shoot open sights.

I have a Millet to put on mine. Right now it is on my .22 AR and I want a different mount if I were to put it on my 5.56. But honestly, I can get a Primary Arms or another Bushnell for the price of the mount! :dunno: I don't mind paying for a quality mount for quality optics, but not sure that the Millet justifies the price of the mount. It may just need to stay on the .22

The TRS-25 works very well on my Carbon 15.... I have no complaints on it.

mjkeat
02-15-2012, 18:26
I was shooting for hits, not groups. And i made them regularly.

In Texas, 250-500m is entirely possible to be still "on your own property" and legal. Friend of mine has a solid 250m shot between the end of 1 pasture to the other end of his other (road access) and the guy across from him owns 2,000 acres (over a mile square).

I'm not sure if your post was directed toward me or not but I figured you were talking about hits rather than groups. My comment was geared toward those complaining about getting good groups w/ a 4moa dot.

I was unaware that you could kill someone for being on your property in TX. Here there is a gray area. I've heard some say they have to enter your house while others say "reasonable" fear for your life inside or simply on your property.

Soba
02-15-2012, 18:28
Was using irons, but picked up an Aimpoint CompC3 (2MOA dot) at the end of the year. Very happy with it.

captdreifus
02-15-2012, 18:49
Get a H-1 or T-1 and call it a day. Love those micros!

battlin bulldog
02-15-2012, 21:52
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By cvscout (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/cvscout) at 2012-02-15

EOTECH is the only electronic sight i would personally use. I really like the sharp crisp 1MOA dot. saving up for an ACOG.

JDMitchell
02-15-2012, 21:57
Can't go wrong with an EOTech. I took my issued AimPoint off my M4 and mounted my own EOTech and it served me well for 27 months in dusty nasty condition and was also decently accurate out to 150-200 meters. It did eat up batteries though.

mixflip
02-15-2012, 22:18
Hey mix, give your optic some time. I'm using a cheap $100 Tru-Glo with 4 recticles, with low profile and it is durable and accurate. I've been using it for months now run'n gunning and its been great. Even if it craps out, I still got my money out of it.

I hear ya. I think I'll be fine at my level of use. But the prepper in me really wants a low power optic with illumination that doesnt need batteries. I have always wanted one and I can finally afford one now lol.

MrMurphy
02-16-2012, 04:21
If it's posted no trespassing, they're fair game.

Castle doctrine-wise, if you're at home and someone not authorized is in the house, they're fair game. You might see a weapon, you might not, but if you're in fear of your life, it's covered. Out in the country on no-trespassing posted property, it's generally gonna be shoot first and investigate second.

Friend mentioned had a road crew use a common-key lock (Caterpillar lock) come 45 acres into his 90 acre property and start pumping water out of his stock tank (already eight feet low and in a drought). He at the time had 20 cattle worth $30k or so. He came out of the treeline with a 12ga aimed and ready. One wrong move and there'd be bodies... as it was, the deputies showed up, charges were filed, water got put back and fines were paid. His property's posted no trespassing.....if he'd thought they were stealing cattle (which does happen) there'd be a string of dead guys, and he'd be legal probably.

vetmedglock30
02-16-2012, 09:41
eotech

eracer
02-16-2012, 09:58
Right now I'm evaluating this 1-4x optic:

http://hi-luxoptics.com/product/riflescopes/tactical-scopes/cmr-series/cmr-series-specifications/

Here's the reticle:

http://hi-luxoptics.com/images/cmr_reticle_notes.jpg

mjkeat
02-16-2012, 13:35
If it's posted no trespassing, they're fair game.

Castle doctrine-wise, if you're at home and someone not authorized is in the house, they're fair game. You might see a weapon, you might not, but if you're in fear of your life, it's covered. Out in the country on no-trespassing posted property, it's generally gonna be shoot first and investigate second.

Friend mentioned had a road crew use a common-key lock (Caterpillar lock) come 45 acres into his 90 acre property and start pumping water out of his stock tank (already eight feet low and in a drought). He at the time had 20 cattle worth $30k or so. He came out of the treeline with a 12ga aimed and ready. One wrong move and there'd be bodies... as it was, the deputies showed up, charges were filed, water got put back and fines were paid. His property's posted no trespassing.....if he'd thought they were stealing cattle (which does happen) there'd be a string of dead guys, and he'd be legal probably.

Most laws like that come down to reasonable believe. If you feel your life or those around you are under iminent danger, as defined by a reasonable person, it is legal self defense. In my state the general rule is 20-30 feet.

Sorry for the sidetrack but it struck me as odd that anyone would prefer or recommend a magnified optic on a defensive weapon.

akgunnut
02-16-2012, 13:41
I'm currently running the Aimpoint PRO.

MrMurphy
02-16-2012, 16:30
Well, out here, no trespassing means NO TRESPASSING.

And guys with deer rifles and scopes have been known to poach....things are a bit different.

i recommend an Aimpoint, but situations do differ and some people have the capability to legally take some long shots.

An Aimpoint+3X mag will cover most situations easily.

Simpleman71
02-16-2012, 16:30
eotech exps 2-0

jotto
02-16-2012, 17:00
Aimpoint Micro T-1

xXGearheadXx
02-16-2012, 17:22
Aimpoint. No magnfication, easy to operate, rugged as hell, and if you want to leave it on all the time, you're changing out batteries every couple of years. unbeatable for those reasons.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd433/xxgearheadxx/301144_284362234922895_100000473628318_1204898_1001953340_n.jpg

Mine's an ML3, and i'd change it in a heartbeat for a T/H-1, but for a dot optic i wouldn't touch anything else.

Ruggles
02-16-2012, 18:22
Right now I'm evaluating this 1-4x optic:

http://hi-luxoptics.com/product/riflescopes/tactical-scopes/cmr-series/cmr-series-specifications/

Here's the reticle:

http://hi-luxoptics.com/images/cmr_reticle_notes.jpg

Oh Lord things like this are why I did so poorly in college math :rofl:

I am sure it is very practical for the shooter who uses it and understands it but too damn "busy" for my simple mind :rofl:

Dr.Crash
02-16-2012, 18:29
Aimpoint comp M4 here, it takes the AA battery which is easy to get and has up to a 80,000 hour battery life. Always a plus. had an eotech 552 a65 and it wasn't doing it for me.

Slotback
02-16-2012, 18:49
I have an Aimpoint T-1 and an EOTech 551. I like both.

certifiedfunds
02-17-2012, 22:56
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2347/imag0042qn.jpg
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EOTECH is the only electronic sight i would personally use. I really like the sharp crisp 1MOA dot. saving up for an ACOG.


Very nice

surf
02-18-2012, 13:39
Right now I personally have ACOG w/Doc Optic, EOTech's, Reflex's, CQT, Comp M4, T1 micro, Delta Point. While the only ones that I think SUCK are the Reflex sights, I can use any of them very effectively. Of course I have my own personal preference and that is for the EOTech 553's or the new EXPS series.

fowler
02-19-2012, 15:49
Aimpoint SC9000 on burris mounts. 50,000 hour battery life ,4 moa very fast .

dakrat
02-19-2012, 16:48
Aimpoint PRO. 3 year battery life, always on, clear lens cover

HDRider2002
02-20-2012, 11:55
I use teh Aimpoint PRO, which as was stated is good for CQB up to 200 yards with the 2MOA dot. anything past that, need to move away from the RD and go to a scope.

FreakyBig
02-21-2012, 00:13
You can't go wrong with the Aimpoints or EoTechs.

I need to switch out my ML3 for a T1 eventually but it'll have to wait.

Sorry to throw the AKs in, but its for the optics ;)

9mm SBR AR with EoTech 552
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/FreakyBig/IMG_0008.jpg

AR with Aimpoint M4 and magnifier on LaRue mounts
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/FreakyBig/IMG_0009.jpg

Yugo M92 with Aimpoint ML3 (needs a T1 badly)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/FreakyBig/IMG_0010.jpg

couple of AKs with EoTechs
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/FreakyBig/IMG_0012.jpg

scromer
02-24-2012, 18:45
Aimpoint Micro.

Yep..

copo9560
02-24-2012, 18:56
Eotech 512 on my 14.5 inch M4 clone. Very accurate and fast. Co-witness is perfect with Troy folding sight as well.

Minnow
02-25-2012, 00:12
Eotech XPS Series
Aimpoint ML2, M2, ML3, M3, M4, Pro, T-1, H-1
Burris MTAC 1-4X
Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x

That's a good list to pick from and oh ya, you can add a magnifier to the red dots as well if you need it.

QNman
02-25-2012, 06:48
Eotech for me. The circle-dot I find extremely easy to pick up quickly.

eracer
02-25-2012, 06:58
If it's posted no trespassing, they're fair game.

Castle doctrine-wise, if you're at home and someone not authorized is in the house, they're fair game. You might see a weapon, you might not, but if you're in fear of your life, it's covered. Out in the country on no-trespassing posted property, it's generally gonna be shoot first and investigate second.

Friend mentioned had a road crew use a common-key lock (Caterpillar lock) come 45 acres into his 90 acre property and start pumping water out of his stock tank (already eight feet low and in a drought). He at the time had 20 cattle worth $30k or so. He came out of the treeline with a 12ga aimed and ready. One wrong move and there'd be bodies... as it was, the deputies showed up, charges were filed, water got put back and fines were paid. His property's posted no trespassing.....if he'd thought they were stealing cattle (which does happen) there'd be a string of dead guys, and he'd be legal probably.:upeyes:

eracer
02-25-2012, 06:59
Oh Lord things like this are why I did so poorly in college math :rofl:

I am sure it is very practical for the shooter who uses it and understands it but too damn "busy" for my simple mind :rofl:See big ring/dot in middle.
Put ring/dot on target.
Pull trigger.

You don't need the math until you want to reach out a bit.:whistling:

AK_Stick
02-25-2012, 16:37
I used to love my Eo-turd. But anymore, as much as I like the big window, they've just been proven to have too many issues, and I've seen too many fail for me to put another one on a duty rifle.


They'd probably do fine for a self defense/SHTF gun, but I'm going with an Aimpoint, ACOG, or a 1-4 or 1-8x variable for my next gun. I want duty quality, and dependable gear.

certifiedfunds
02-25-2012, 16:55
.....

QNman
02-25-2012, 17:33
I used to love my Eo-turd. But anymore, as much as I like the big window, they've just been proven to have too many issues, and I've seen too many fail for me to put another one on a duty rifle.


They'd probably do fine for a self defense/SHTF gun, but I'm going with an Aimpoint, ACOG, or a 1-4 or 1-8x variable for my next gun. I want duty quality, and dependable gear.

I was unaware of that. Of course, "duty" for me has meant a few rough days at the range.

AK_Stick
02-25-2012, 17:37
They've gotten better as each generation goes, but they still aren't as reliable as Aimpoints.


Which isn't to say they're bad, but I've just seen too many to fail to want to spend my own money on them. When I can get the .mil to spend it, and keep replacing them, I like using them.

Keyhole
02-25-2012, 17:55
Aimpoint Micro T1

banjobob
02-25-2012, 18:56
My defensive AR is my home defense gun and therefore I don't want to screw with on/off buttons or lens covers etc. at 3 am as I awake to the sound of my front door being kicked in. As a result of this thinking I use open sights.

I can't imagine a shot longer than 30 feet and don't see the benefit of anything else in a home defense situation. When the SHTF I have an eotech or nightforce depending on gun/situation.

bjesse60
02-25-2012, 19:19
Aimpoint Micro T1

Yup :supergrin:

MrMurphy
02-25-2012, 20:40
Having spent a lot of time in the dark with a rifle in hand... irons suck at night. You might as well be blind.

Aimpoints stay on (permanently unless you choose to turn it off) and don't need a lens cover.

In my case if a door gets kicked in, there's pistols readily at hand for need it RIGHT NOW with tritium sights and a Surefire. If i have a few seconds, the AR is pretty handy.

banjobob
02-25-2012, 20:49
Having spent a lot of time in the dark with a rifle in hand... irons suck at night. You might as well be blind.

Aimpoints stay on (permanently unless you choose to turn it off) and don't need a lens cover.

In my case if a door gets kicked in, there's pistols readily at hand for need it RIGHT NOW with tritium sights and a Surefire. If i have a few seconds, the AR is pretty handy.

Did I mention I have a light mounted on my ar.

USMCSergeant
02-25-2012, 21:23
http://i41.tinypic.com/119m592.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/a25f2w.jpg

It was difficult for me to learn to stare at the target and not the front sight, but after that, the 1 MOA dot is dead on accurate.

For low light, put the reticle on the lowest setting you can see in a dark room, that way the reticle doesn't blind you.

WoodenPlank
02-25-2012, 22:03
Did I mention I have a light mounted on my ar.

Irons suck in the dark, even with a light. They take a lot more time to pick up than a RDS does.

MrMurphy
02-26-2012, 01:07
What Plank said.

I've cleared buildings, bunkers, vehicles, tunnels, hangars and everything else with a stock M16 and a handheld light, an M4 with mounted light and irons, and an M4 with mounted (or handheld) and an Aimpoint.

Dot+light+sling is the only way to go.

bigmac85
02-26-2012, 01:20
Cant go wrong with ghost ring nite sights. With practice the rifle shoulders on target similar to a shotgun. Effective for home defense imo.

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WoodenPlank
02-26-2012, 01:25
Cant go wrong with ghost ring nite sights. With practice the rifle shoulders on target similar to a shotgun. Effective for home defense imo.

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Tritium rear sights have more problems than anything. A tritium front helps, but it's still not as fast as a good red dot.

AK_Stick
02-26-2012, 02:21
While ghost sights can be fast, and pretty straight forward, they're not, and never will be equal to a red dot.


Some people prefer them, some people just can't stand red dots, and thats ok. But the red dot IS still superior.

tinman517
02-26-2012, 11:05
What do all you guys like for an optic for your defensive AR15 ? This is not for a sniper rifle but for a defensive type AR. I will be getting an optic to go on top of my carry handle as my AR is an A2 with fixed carry handle.Thanks in advance.

If ever needed, my HD AR15 is fitted with an EOT exps2-0.

fowler
02-26-2012, 18:30
Aimpoints are easy on batterys. Mine goes a few years left on for a $4.50 battery. It don,t need to be changed for 2 years,but I change mine every New Year . Overkill but for less than 5 bucks who cares. You can buy cheaper ,but you won,t have a durable Aimpoint. Buy like your life depends on it,because it doe,s.

biscotrip
02-26-2012, 19:51
Trijicon RMR LED

M&P15T
02-27-2012, 09:33
I just had to replace the batteries in my Eotech. They still worked fine, but it was giving me the blinking "replace my batteries" reticle effect. I think they went about 10 months and 4-5 trips to the range, and undoubtedly it was inadvertently left on at times. Plus I cracked myself on the back of my head one night with my rifle, Eotech-first.

I'm fine with that.