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Glock22-007
02-13-2012, 08:22
Want opinions on which of those 3 custom gun manufacturers is the best.


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ijacek
02-13-2012, 08:29
Look at the guide in Bac's signature line, it covers a lot of what you asking!

Rumbler_G20
02-13-2012, 08:30
"The best" in terms of what?

Target accuracy? Combat reliability? Esthetic finish?


Not enough info! :supergrin:

Glock22-007
02-13-2012, 08:53
Overall performance,looks,feel,etc. I know customs aren't cheap but I just want to know what the public likes in a custom handgun.


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rickrope
02-13-2012, 09:09
The one I would pick may not be the same as the you would pick.

38 Super Fan
02-13-2012, 09:29
GunCrafter

20South
02-13-2012, 09:59
Of the three you named - it's Wilson for me. However, it is my opinion that with all the price increases, they aren't competitive as a value purchase anymore. Nighthawk builds some nice pistols, but for nearly the same price as a Wilson I wouldn't want to feel like I was rolling the dice as to what my experience was going to be. Ed Brown just doesn't do it for me. Not that he doesn't build a great 1911 - because I think he does.

If I were spending my money today, it would be Guncrafter or SACS.

SpringerTGO
02-13-2012, 10:37
I learned my lesson. I would NEVER buy another Nighthawk.

rahrah12
02-13-2012, 12:24
I can't comment on who builds the "best." I have heard nothing but great things about Wilson and Ed Brown - just don't ask him for an interview.

But, I can tell you why I went with the Ed Brown. The Kobra Carry caught my eye. Thought it looked fantastic.

I was able to hold/fondle one and compare it to other 1911s in the shop.

This was before their two price increases - I felt like I was getting a great value for my buck in that price range.

I also liked that their 3 main pistols (Kobra, Special Forces, Executive) are all built the same. Really the only differences are the front strap checkering and side serrations.

I liked that I didn't have to pay extra to upgrade to bullet proof parts and things like that.

Rinspeed
02-13-2012, 13:16
I learned my lesson. I would NEVER buy another Nighthawk.




Oh really. :supergrin:

BigDeeeeeeee
02-13-2012, 13:47
GunCrafter

+1
:wavey:

up1911fan
02-13-2012, 14:10
Of the 3 i'd go with Wilson. You also have the most options with Wilson. I like Baers and would include them in your list. Ed Brown builds a great gun too!! Don't forget though, Ed Brown is rude...:upeyes:

glock2740
02-13-2012, 17:52
GunCrafter
This and Wilson are my two top picks.

faawrenchbndr
02-13-2012, 17:54
Weapon only,.......Ed Brown.

Add in customer service,.......Wilson hands down.

Ruggles
02-13-2012, 18:04
I have not owned a Nighthawk, not for any reason just have not purchased one yet. Can not speak to them. Same with Gun Crafters.

I have owned 1 Baer (TRS Comanche), 1 Brown (Kobra Carry) and a couple of Wilsons (CQB Elite and CQB Compact) and have a Wilson Classic on order.

I would say Wilson, Brown and then Baer IMO. I would say Brown builds the best looking 1911s around. :) I am not sure there is a huge amount of difference in reality between the three.

I also agree the pricing is getting to the point where I am not ready to spend that much anymore for a single gun. There are so many great 1911s on the market now from $750-$1400 now that I am not sure why I would. This Wilson Classic might be my last 1911 from these makers :(

Texas Bulldog
02-13-2012, 18:14
I have all 3, and i will never buy another Nighthawk... way overpriced for what you get.

no shock Wilson and Brown are great but i do like my Ed Brown more than my wilson's. One i don't own yet but i really want is a Les Baer... that and a Guncrafter

3rdgen40
02-13-2012, 18:21
Look at the guide in Bac's signature line
Has this become the standard answer for ANY question regarding 1911's ?
:dunno:

faawrenchbndr
02-13-2012, 18:23
Has this become the standard answer for ANY question regarding 1911's ?
:dunno:



Was that what I posted? :dunno:

faawrenchbndr
02-13-2012, 18:25
.... One i don't own yet but i really want is a Les Baer... that and a Guncrafter


The GunCrafter I can understand, but I did not think you cared for Baers.
You Fusion still treating ya right? It has to be one of the best lookers I've seen!

James Dean
02-13-2012, 18:30
Weapon only,.......Ed Brown.

Add in customer service,.......Wilson hands down.
I really need to get my hands on an Ed. Brown to see what its all about.

bac1023
02-13-2012, 18:41
Out of those three, I'd pick Wilson.

However, take a hard look at Springfield Custom and Guncrafter.

3rdgen40
02-13-2012, 18:44
Was that what I posted? :dunno:
No , but it seems to pop up in every thread asking anything about 1911's.

faawrenchbndr
02-13-2012, 18:51
No , but it seems to pop up in every thread asking anything about 1911's.


Bac' KNOWS his crap, and HE has done the research that many less
motivated people have not done. Give the guy some credit, he has earned it!

Quack
02-13-2012, 19:27
None of the 3 are "custom". Of the 3, I'd go with Brown.

Other than that, the SACS is more "custom" than the others.

Another option is SVI. I really want one of those.

Texas Bulldog
02-13-2012, 19:31
The GunCrafter I can understand, but I did not think you cared for Baers.
You Fusion still treating ya right? It has to be one of the best lookers I've seen!

Yup, Still going strong. I just cleared 6k down the tube and no problems at all.

I love Baer's i just haven't come across the one i want used. Im looking for a Hard Chrome monolith :cool: or a Stinger

Javelin
02-13-2012, 19:31
Out of those three, I'd pick Wilson.

However, take a hard look at Springfield Custom and Guncrafter.

Which Wilson model? :wavey:

Texas Bulldog
02-13-2012, 19:39
I also agree the pricing is getting to the point where I am not ready to spend that much anymore for a single gun. There are so many great 1911s on the market now from $750-$1400 now that I am not sure why I would. This Wilson Classic might be my last 1911 from these makers :(

I hear ya. I love my 1911's but they are just getting out of hand. A friend has been looking for a DW Cbob under 1k like new. Im coming across them for 1,200 with thousands of rounds through them. Fusion's jumped up and i have a hard time paying more for them than i did and i think once i add a bear to my collection im going to be done paying more than $1500 for a 1911.

Its just getting too expensive for myself personally, also my collection is pretty solid and i don't have many gaps left i want to fill.

Javelin
02-13-2012, 19:41
I hear ya. I love my 1911's but they are just getting out of hand. A friend has been looking for a DW Cbob under 1k like new. Im coming across them for 1,200 with thousands of rounds through them. Fusion's jumped up and i have a hard time paying more for them than i did and i think once i add a bear to my collection im going to be done paying more than $1500 for a 1911.

Its just getting too expensive for myself personally, also my collection is pretty solid and i don't have many gaps left i want to fill.

Yeah... sometimes you just gotta know when to say when. You can really only shoot 2 at a time my friend. :wavey:














:rofl:

3rdgen40
02-13-2012, 19:53
Bac' KNOWS his crap, and HE has done the research that many less
motivated people have not done. Give the guy some credit, he has earned it!
Don't get your panties in a bunch...:upeyes: I'm just tired of everyone saying "look at bacs sig line" instead of offering ideas or suggestions.Whats the point of a forum if no one has any advice to offer?

bac1023
02-13-2012, 20:12
Which Wilson model? :wavey:

I like them all, actually.

I own a CQB and Super Grade.

Javelin
02-13-2012, 20:14
I like them all, actually.

I own a CQB and Super Grade.

I am saving my pennies in a jar for a 1911... I can't believe I am going back to that platform again. But since my Vltor isn't coming out anytime soon.....

:crying:

bac1023
02-13-2012, 20:14
Another option is SVI. I really want one of those.

Come on, Don. :cool:

You've been talking about it long enough. :tongueout:

bac1023
02-13-2012, 20:15
I am saving my pennies in a jar for a 1911... I can't believe I am going back to that platform again. But since my Vltor isn't coming out anytime soon.....

:crying:

Yeah, that Vltor project turned out to be just as cursed as the original Bren Ten. :dunno:

What a shame.

bac1023
02-13-2012, 20:18
I'm just tired of everyone saying "look at bacs sig line" instead of offering ideas or suggestions.Whats the point of a forum if no one has any advice to offer?

Its all cool. :cool:

I can certainly understand. Obviously, I don't ask people to suggest my guide, though I'm glad some people think hgihly enough of it to recommend it to others.

Its just basic info really.

Ruggles
02-13-2012, 20:23
I am saving my pennies in a jar for a 1911... I can't believe I am going back to that platform again. But since my Vltor isn't coming out anytime soon.....

:crying:

You say "again"....no way to escape he 1911 bug friend :rofl:

Ruggles
02-13-2012, 20:26
Which Wilson model? :wavey:

Oh now that is the $1,000,000 question :rofl:

I think the CQB is always a solid choice, the base CQB or one of the upgraded CQBs. If I was buying 1 more Wilson (oh Lord give me strength not too....) it would be a Protector, that is a sweet looking 1911 IMO :wavey:

Ruggles
02-13-2012, 20:31
I hear ya. I love my 1911's but they are just getting out of hand. A friend has been looking for a DW Cbob under 1k like new. Im coming across them for 1,200 with thousands of rounds through them. Fusion's jumped up and i have a hard time paying more for them than i did and i think once i add a bear to my collection im going to be done paying more than $1500 for a 1911.

Its just getting too expensive for myself personally, also my collection is pretty solid and i don't have many gaps left i want to fill.

I agree.

Wilson CQB $2950

or

Ruger 1911 $775
Kimber Classic II $775
Magnum Research 1911 $ 725
Springfield Mil Spec $675

Total for all 4 : $2950

I find it hard to say I would not rather have the bottom 4 than the 1 Wilson. :dunno:

bac1023
02-13-2012, 20:35
1911 prices have gotten ridiculous.

3rdgen40
02-13-2012, 20:38
Its all cool. :cool:

I can certainly understand. Obviously, I don't ask people to suggest my guide, though I'm glad some people think hgihly enough of it to recommend it to others.

Its just basic info really.
No offense bac.I respect your opinions and I know that you know 1911's very well.I am sure you put a lot of effort and research into your buyers guide.I just like to hear what others have to think too...:wavey:

Javelin
02-13-2012, 20:53
Bac could probably charge money for 1911 advice but he gives it away for free here on GT.

:wavey:

Hokie1911
02-13-2012, 21:02
GunCrafter

+1
:wavey:

This and Wilson are my two top picks.

that and a Guncrafter

Out of those three, I'd pick Wilson.

However, take a hard look at Springfield Custom and Guncrafter.

What they said.

Rinspeed
02-13-2012, 21:11
What they said.




Look what the cat dragged in. :upeyes:

glockin-45
02-13-2012, 21:32
I like them all, actually.

I own a CQB and Super Grade.

Bac, I've been wanting to ask you. I alway's wanted a CQB, would love a Super Grade but for what i want, a good reliable fighting 1911, the super is just to nice. I know you say you don't have a SA PRO yet, but if you were me and could only have one, which would it be. Hard choose i know. I as a lot of us value your opinion.:wavey:

Quack
02-13-2012, 21:35
Look what the cat dragged in. :upeyes:

He's just looking for some naked FaceTime with me. :animlol:

Quack
02-13-2012, 21:36
Bac, I've been wanting to ask you. I alway's wanted a CQB, would love a Super Grade but for what i want, a good reliable fighting 1911, the super is just to nice. I know you say you don't have a SA PRO yet, but if you were me and could only have one, which would it be. Hard choose i know. I as a lot of us value your opinion.:wavey:

Swap the SA Pro for the TGO-1, I'd think he'd lean to the TGO-1.

I know that I like my Pro and TGO-1 the best out of my single stack guns, which include a Wilson and Brown.

Hokie1911
02-13-2012, 21:44
Look what the cat dragged in. :upeyes:

I can tell I was missed. I'm getting all misty eyed.

He's just looking for some naked FaceTime with me. :animlol:

You wish. You just want me to love you short time.

glockin-45
02-13-2012, 21:55
Thanks Quack, i thought the TGO was more or less a competition gun vs fighting?

Quack
02-13-2012, 22:12
Was just making the swap to TGO-1 since brian has one.
Build quality is the same as the Pro.

bac1023
02-14-2012, 05:17
No offense bac.I respect your opinions and I know that you know 1911's very well.I am sure you put a lot of effort and research into your buyers guide.I just like to hear what others have to think too...:wavey:

No offense taken my friend.

I hear what you're saying.

bac1023
02-14-2012, 05:18
What they said.

Hey Paul :wavey:

bac1023
02-14-2012, 05:31
Bac, I've been wanting to ask you. I alway's wanted a CQB, would love a Super Grade but for what i want, a good reliable fighting 1911, the super is just to nice. I know you say you don't have a SA PRO yet, but if you were me and could only have one, which would it be. Hard choose i know. I as a lot of us value your opinion.:wavey:

Swap the SA Pro for the TGO-1, I'd think he'd lean to the TGO-1.

I know that I like my Pro and TGO-1 the best out of my single stack guns, which include a Wilson and Brown.

I agree with Don.

I would take the TGO1 or Pro over any Wilson other than the Super Grade. However, they are very close to the SG in terms of fitting and quality.

I do still need a Pro. :sigh:

38 Super Fan
02-14-2012, 10:09
What they said.
Damn Paul, where you been?

SpringerTGO
02-14-2012, 10:53
Thanks Quack, i thought the TGO was more or less a competition gun vs fighting?

I've carried my TGO1 several times. If I had to grab a 1911 for self defense, I'd take my TGO1 long before my Nighthawk. It eats everything I feed it.

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 11:51
I've shot the Wilson SG and it's a beautiful piece of art. I own a Wilson CQB and I found that shooting them one after the other, I found no real difference in accuracy or recoil. Felt like the same gun...fitting looked and felt identical.

I was going to buy the SG, but the CQB was cheaper and it holds right up there with the SG, IMHO. It was to be my EDC and I did not feel comfortable wearing a $5k pistol.....not like 3K+ is much better, but the finish still holds up well and I have over 1200 rounds down the pipe. It's not my safe Queen, it's a real shooter. I know the more experienced smiths over at Wilson make the SGs, but I have had no problems with my flawless CQB. Wilson does great work....but I can't speak for the cheaper models.



Harry

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
02-14-2012, 12:39
Weapon only,.......Ed Brown.

Add in customer service,.......Wilson hands down.

I'd agree with that

glockin-45
02-14-2012, 13:09
I've shot the Wilson SG and it's a beautiful piece of art. I own a Wilson CQB and I found that shooting them one after the other, I found no real difference in accuracy or recoil. Felt like the same gun...fitting looked and felt identical.

I was going to buy the SG, but the CQB was cheaper and it holds right up there with the SG, IMHO. It was to be my EDC and I did not feel comfortable wearing a $5k pistol.....not like 3K+ is much better, but the finish still holds up well and I have over 1200 rounds down the pipe. It's not my safe Queen, it's a real shooter. I know the more experienced smiths over at Wilson make the SGs, but I have had no problems with my flawless CQB. Wilson does great work....but I can't speak for the cheaper models.



Harry
Sounds like you have a keeper. I'd like to get a CQB, but my DWCCO is gonna have to do till i can come up with that serious coin.:crying: