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billy b
02-14-2012, 08:54
i looking for a new 45 target powder. i have a lot of powder but want to try something different (45acp). thinking of titegroup, 231, wst, aa5. to those that load 45 what do you think.

Citroen
02-14-2012, 09:13
I spoke with one of the techs at AA and was told that # 2 is a better powder for .45 ACP than # 5. Been using it ever since and like it a lot.

Fine grain, meters well - down side is that a decent load fills less than half the case length so a double charge is possible. I "peak" into each round as I turn the press to the seating die to ensure the powder is just below half and I scale about every 10th one.

So far, excellent results.
John
Charlotte, NC

Zombie Steve
02-14-2012, 09:25
WST.

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Rumbler_G20
02-14-2012, 09:26
i looking for a new 45 target powder. i have a lot of powder but want to try something different (45acp). thinking of titegroup, 231, wst, aa5. to those that load 45 what do you think.


I've used all those powders in .45ACP. For target use I'm inclined to recommend Tightgroup for 230 gr bullets because of the low charge weight required. I liked the WST because it seemed to be a softer shooting powder (that still delivered the requisite velocity), but it required almost a full grain more than Tightgroup to deliver that same velocity.

The .45ACP I load for public training, is loaded with AA5. Lowish charge weight, big muzzle flash, sharp recoil, imitates hotter self defense ammo better.

WW231, that is just pretty good powder all 'round for the .45ACP generally speaking. You can use it under virtually all the available bullet weights and it will perform consistently in them. But it's not very clean, not very soft shooting, makes up in smoke what it lacks in muzzle flash (which is still significant).

NONE of these powders are loaded in my defensive ammunition, just too much muzzle flash. I use Hodgden Clays for that. . . . and that is NOT a recommendation that anyone else do that. Clays has a very narrow charge weight band it can be loaded to "safely" in the .45ACP. This is one of the very few powders I've met over the years where .1 gr can make a really significant difference in pressure (!!).


Of course; standard disclaimers apply. This is all based on MY guns - your experience may vary drastically.

tjpet
02-14-2012, 09:35
WST - it's the cat's meow.

ColoCG
02-14-2012, 09:41
Another vote for WST, works great, low recoil,meters great,clean burning. Has a lot of the things I usually don't care about.:supergrin:

rickrope
02-14-2012, 09:51
I've been using WST for about 12 years everytime I change to something new I end up go back to WST in a hurry. :dunno:

Glockaholic2
02-14-2012, 12:55
Don't count out Alliant Unique. I just tried it out and it shot well and clean. I've used 231 and Titegroup as well. Both were good.

steve4102
02-14-2012, 13:06
WST for me as well.

Fwdftw
02-14-2012, 13:51
I liked win231 5.6 grain over a 200 lswc at 1.255 oal

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bowhunter1
02-14-2012, 14:27
My goto load 4.8gr of WST and 200gr LSWC

Clean, Low smoke with lead, low recoil, works with standard springs

fredj338
02-14-2012, 14:32
I've used all those powders in .45ACP. For target use I'm inclined to recommend Tightgroup for 230 gr bullets because of the low charge weight required. I liked the WST because it seemed to be a softer shooting powder (that still delivered the requisite velocity), but it required almost a full grain more than Tightgroup to deliver that same velocity.

Of course; standard disclaimers apply. This is all based on MY guns - your experience may vary drastically.
Wow, an entire grain of powder!:shocked: So you save like 1/10 of a penny per round! For that you get a powder that burns hotter & occpies 1/3 less space inside the large case.:whistling: WST, hands down best 45acp powder I have ever tried & that includes all that you mentioned & then some, for target to full power loads. The only thing it won't do is +P loads. BTW, Clays won't even hit factory vel safely so purely minor loads only.

njl
02-14-2012, 15:46
Clays is nice, but if you need to worry about PF or want less smoke with FMJ or non-jacketed bullets, you're better off with WST. It's got a much broader load range and can get you more velocity than Clays [safely] can.

DoctaGlockta
02-14-2012, 16:26
Unique. It ain't just for Granpa anymore.

OrGlocker
02-14-2012, 19:24
I like W231. I use it in 45ACP, 38 Spl & 40 S&W.

snowwdog
02-15-2012, 20:48
universal clays, i love it. Works wonderful with my 200 grain berrys. Im not building crotch rockets, im having fun at the range. Downside if you can call it that is low case volume.

njl
02-15-2012, 21:02
I tried Universal in my first .45acp reloads. I found the starting load to be crazy low velocity, and the recoil got bad with increasing charge weight faster than the velocity picked up. Clays and WST do much better.

cliffb
02-19-2012, 23:31
Another WST vote for all the reasons already listed.

gforester
02-20-2012, 07:41
I tried Universal in my first .45acp reloads. I found the starting load to be crazy low velocity, and the recoil got bad with increasing charge weight faster than the velocity picked up. Clays and WST do much better.

I had the same experience with Universal in my 45acp loads. I did find it to be an excellent powder for my 9mm loads.

SigFTW
02-20-2012, 07:52
I use TG and Bullseye, liked BE over TG. I just picked up some WST and will see if it's the cat's meow. :supergrin:

Three-Five-Seven
02-20-2012, 08:52
I've had annoying temperature and position problems when using Clays. I no longer use it in anything other than shotgun shells.

I switched to WST about two years ago and it has performed extremely well. It is very consistent in all weather conditions and doesn't seem to mind where the gun is before it's brought to battery.

I really want to try it in the shotgun. Hodgdon lists loads for it in 12 gauge, so I'm gonna give it a go someday in the future.

I never met an unhappy 231 user and I never met an unhappy wst user.

Jager1
02-20-2012, 12:31
I began with Winchester 231, but wanted to find the 'best' all around 45 ACP powder for the money. Didn't want to spend a fortune trying a lot of powders I wouldn't like by going it blind - so I did some research and asked around.

WAP (Winchester Action Pistol) was the first suggestion, but I couldn't find it locally - and having it shipped was cost prohibitive.

WST was another suggestion I got early on. Then there was AA #5. Then Universal Clays (not to be confused with Clays, as they are different powders).

None of them did anything better than 231. It's the go-to powder for plinking and target loads for me in 45 ACP.

When the necessity for upper range loads comes into play, Alliant Power Pistol does a good job. Also in 9mm.

MoNsTeR
02-20-2012, 13:51
N310 is the perfect powder for target .45

fredj338
02-20-2012, 14:49
N310 is the perfect powder for target .45

NO, it might be perfect if it didn't cost twice what WST cost. My biggest gripe about the exc VV powders.

vtbluegrass
02-20-2012, 19:56
I am at 4.4grs of WST and 200gr LSWC. Functions my S&W1911 with standard springs and is very accurate. The very definition of a mouse fart.

Kentguy
02-20-2012, 20:35
vtbluegrass,

I have use Winchester 231, Alliant Bullseye & Hodgdon Universal all under a 230g FMJ bullet. Using Lyman's 49th edition for my numbers. I kept my charges in the mid range, nice velocity & accuracy. Fun to shoot, doesn't beat you up. I have come up with pretty good target rounds - some better than others. I could recomend any of these for target rounds.

For anybody... I have a question

I have never used WST, I read that some of you folks have used several different weight bullets. I would be interested in what you guys think about this powder under a 230g FMJ bullet? I would be shooting these out of my Glock 21, mostly for traget use.

Any thoughts?

CWPINST
02-20-2012, 20:51
I haven't tried WST in a 230gr. load yet, but I have tried in a 185gr. Berrys Hollow Base RN. 4.3 gr. would not even budge the slide of my G21. Kicked about like a .22. I went up to 4.7gr. slightly more kick, but still wouldn't cycle. Basically the case layed on top of the next round in the mag, jamming the slide. I am trying 5.0 next. I expect this one to barely cycle. My guess is that it takes more umpth to cycle a G21 than with a 16lb spring in a full size 1911.

F106 Fan
02-20-2012, 21:24
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fredj338
02-20-2012, 23:24
I haven't tried WST in a 230gr. load yet, but I have tried in a 185gr. Berrys Hollow Base RN. 4.3 gr. would not even budge the slide of my G21. Kicked about like a .22. I went up to 4.7gr. slightly more kick, but still wouldn't cycle. Basically the case layed on top of the next round in the mag, jamming the slide. I am trying 5.0 next. I expect this one to barely cycle. My guess is that it takes more umpth to cycle a G21 than with a 16lb spring in a full size 1911.


No, it's the HB & your longer OAL (which is important) reducing pressures. My IDPA load is a 200grLTC o/ 4.8gr, makes 850fps. A 200gr plated FP does about 830fps. They happily run in my 18# sprung XDTAC or 20# 1911PD.
WIth a 230gr FMJ, @ max load, it just makes ball equiv 830-840fps but recoil still feels soft. IF you want +P, you need to go to a slower powder, but any bullet wt or type, WST works great to give you vert accurate factory equiv loads.

cole
02-21-2012, 01:22
i looking for a new 45 target powder. i have a lot of powder but want to try something different (45acp). thinking of titegroup, 231, wst, aa5. to those that load 45 what do you think.

I'm running BE for LRN and LSWC at the moment. Works very well, naturally; no big surprise there given popularity over the years. BE meters very well in my Dillon and loads punch tight groups in paper. I ran TG before BE and it was fine, but I prefer BE. Unique is also a powder I'll run in .45acp as I run it in 9mm. I've run Clays, too. I'd be fine with 231 and WST as well. Really, all the "standbys" work fine and the main differences are more subjective than anything else IMO. Given a choice, I'll opt for the cheaper one with the most load data available. Which are two reasons why I ended up at Unique and BE.

MoneyMaker
02-21-2012, 03:02
Unique and Power Pistol for me

mc1911
02-21-2012, 14:38
Around 4.5 grains of bullseye behind a 200 gr. SWC work great in my 45 A.C.P. s.

just for fun
02-21-2012, 20:09
I spoke with one of the techs at AA and was told that # 2 is a better powder for .45 ACP than # 5. Been using it ever since and like it a lot.

Fine grain, meters well - down side is that a decent load fills less than half the case length so a double charge is possible. I "peak" into each round as I turn the press to the seating die to ensure the powder is just below half and I scale about every 10th one.

So far, excellent results.
John
Charlotte, NCSame results here. Outstanding results. 230 gr. precision "black" bullet, 5.2 grs.AA-2 1.272 OAL. Chronoed at 860 with a SD of 3 for 10 rounds. old eyes one big hole at 15 yds. Younger eyes would have resulted in smaller hole!