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ajgranda
02-14-2012, 09:16
All stainless with polished flats WC CQB. Would this gun scratch easily? Thanks

Bluestreakfl
02-14-2012, 09:22
Depends what kind of holster your carrying it in, and your environment. If you work around dirt or sand, it will indeed scratch. The tight fit in kydex is bound to cause minute particles to scratch the polished surfaces. If you stick with leather, with some kind of soft lining, or something like a remora, your better off.


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Travclem
02-14-2012, 09:41
Will it scratch easily? Yes
Would I be afraid to carry it? No
Stainless is easy to refinish.

Rumbler_G20
02-14-2012, 09:46
+1, he is right ^^


But I'd never carry a shiny gun as a defensive weapon. Period.

BigLaw
02-14-2012, 10:16
I would carry it, then use it to blow my brains out when I scratched it. :)

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 11:59
But I'd never carry a shiny gun as a defensive weapon. Period.

+10000

Pistols with a shiny finish are not meant for carry, IMHO. Not because of scratches, but because the reflective finish can give away your position.



Harry

ajgranda
02-14-2012, 12:08
+10000

Pistols with a shiny finish are not meant for carry, IMHO. Not because of scratches, but because the reflective finish can give away your position.
Harry
Tell that to my old Dept. when we all carried Stainless SW K frame revolvers before switching over to Glocks. It would have made sense to go blue though, although it never turned out to be an issue in over 20 years a fairly large city. The guns sure did look nice and intimidating when we drew down on the BG.:supergrin: Not so much when the Glocks first hit the street.:supergrin:

NeverMore1701
02-14-2012, 12:24
I'm not real big on stainless guns (except revolvers, for some reason), but yeah, I'd carry it.

cowboywannabe
02-14-2012, 12:25
+10000

Pistols with a shiny finish are not meant for carry, IMHO. Not because of scratches, but because the reflective finish can give away your position.



Harry

yeah, because muzzle flash or badges wont do that.

CharlestonG26
02-14-2012, 12:31
While I take very good care of my firearms, every handgun that I've carried for a reasonable amount of time eventually showed 'wear and tear' from its service.

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 12:46
Shiny pistols often mean heavy. Dark colored pistols are usually easier to conceal. Yes, muzzle flash can be seen, but that's only IF you have to fire.

Who was it that said, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickle plated sissy pistol." LOL



Harry

bug
02-14-2012, 12:48
+10000

Pistols with a shiny finish are not meant for carry, IMHO. Not because of scratches, but because the reflective finish can give away your position.



Harry

Everything I have ever read on the use of a defensive handgun say it not very Likely to happen at much more than 10 yards so you position will more than likely be obvious to the bad guy shinny gun or not.

If the engagement distance is longer than that I would be trying even harder to exit the situation or finding myself a real gun( shotgun or a rifle) instead of a handgun.

To the op carry it, guns that get carried and scratched are cool, gives them character.


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cowboywannabe
02-14-2012, 12:52
Shiny pistols often mean heavy. Dark colored pistols are usually easier to conceal. Yes, muzzle flash can be seen, but that's only IF you have to fire.

Who was it that said, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickle plated sissy pistol." LOL



Harry

an actor, not a cop.:wavey:

now, the sissy nickle plated gun has some disadvantages if youre a sniper or in the military or conducting some sort of covert action....but thats not what you were talking about was it?

Bodyarmorguy
02-14-2012, 12:53
I recall a story penned by Evan Marshall (remember him?) in an old old SWAT or similar magazine in which he spoke of a body guard (I think) who carried a big bright nickel gun. the theory being that when he pulled it, the bad guy WOULD see it. An intimidation thing I suppose.

I have never been big on stainless or nickel guns. Over the years I did own a S&W 681 and 686 and a 642. I also had a Kimber Stainless II that I really liked the finish on. There is something I like about the appearance of that stainless vs others. Now I am itching to get another.

On topic.....if getting it scratched up will bother you, then don't carry it. If scratches don't carry it. Personally, scratches don't bother me on carry guns. I have one or two dafe queens, but anything else?????? Scratches happen.

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 13:11
an actor, not a cop.:wavey:

now, the sissy nickle plated gun has some disadvantages if youre a sniper or in the military or conducting some sort of covert action....but thats not what you were talking about was it?

LOL, yes...an actor, a damn good one!

And no...no covert black ops here...just talking average CCW.



Harry

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 13:12
I'll say this...the shiny effect combined with a laser can be VERY intimidating to most.



Harry

Rumbler_G20
02-14-2012, 13:31
Bug, seriously, you need to find some fresher research material and/or more current folks to listen to.

They are quoting data that is at least 40 years old.


Have you ever read this? My Gunfight (http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/45671-My-Gunfight-quot-Thinking-Outside-Your-Box-quot) . . ? It is my opinion that it really sheds some light on the benefits of making assumptions beyond: "Anything can happen at any time. Work hard to be prepared for it if you want to stand a realistic chance of prevailing." :wavey:

Personally there are two reasons I'd never carry a shiny weapon as a defensive arm:

1) Shiny draws attention.
I can easily imagine any number of scenarios where I may find it prudent to get my weapon into my hand prior to actually being ready to fire it. In none of those scenarios does it seem to me to be a good idea to increase the possibility the bad guy will realize I am doing that.

2) Shiny reflects light.
I can't foresee where I will need my weapon. That means, among other things, that I may need to use it in the bright sunlight or even inside where there may be bright lighting. In neither of those situations does it seem to me like having a shiny pistol is anything other than potentially detrimental.


As for muzzle flash. Lots has happened before anyone can see that. In fact the muzzle flash is - if I did my part - the end of the scenario. In that context, muzzle flash is irrelevant in terms of "staying low profile".

Muzzle flash does present a real problem shooting in the dark or low light. And I have taken steps to deal with that, but it is a subject for another speech. ;)


Everything I have ever read on the use of a defensive handgun say it not very Likely to happen at much more than 10 yards so you position will more than likely be obvious to the bad guy shinny gun or not.

If the engagement distance is longer than that I would be trying even harder to exit the situation or finding myself a real gun( shotgun or a rifle) instead of a handgun.

To the op carry it, guns that get carried and scratched are cool, gives them character.


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ca survivor
02-14-2012, 13:42
+10000

Pistols with a shiny finish are not meant for carry, IMHO. Not because of scratches, but because the reflective finish can give away your position.



Harry
give away my position ? the BAMB, BAMB, will do it too :rofl:

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 13:43
Thanks for helping me present my point, Rumbler.

shinny = range only
dark = everything



Harry

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 13:49
give away my position ? the BAMB, BAMB, will do it too :rofl:

I did say, "that's only IF you have to fire." And you won't hear anything after the first "BAMB", if I have the proper equipment/firearm.

So if we are out deep in the woods and I discharge one round....are you saying you can tell exactly where that round came from without seeing the flash? Not with one round, but perhaps with two+. IMHO.



/V

Giggity
02-14-2012, 14:00
I'll say this...the shiny effect combined with a laser can be VERY intimidating to most.



Harry
Don't forget to rack the slide and cock the hammer for effect.

bug
02-14-2012, 14:29
Bug, seriously, you need to find some fresher research material and/or more current folks to listen to.

They are quoting data that is at least 40 years old.


Have you ever read this? My Gunfight (http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/45671-My-Gunfight-quot-Thinking-Outside-Your-Box-quot) . . ? It is my opinion that it really sheds some light on the benefits of making assumptions beyond: "Anything can happen at any time. Work hard to be prepared for it if you want to stand a realistic chance of prevailing." :wavey:

Personally there are two reasons I'd never carry a shiny weapon as a defensive arm:

1) Shiny draws attention.
I can easily imagine any number of scenarios where I may find it prudent to get my weapon into my hand prior to actually being ready to fire it. In none of those scenarios does it seem to me to be a good idea to increase the possibility the bad guy will realize I am doing that.

2) Shiny reflects light.
I can't foresee where I will need my weapon. That means, among other things, that I may need to use it in the bright sunlight or even inside where there may be bright lighting. In neither of those situations does it seem to me like having a shiny pistol is anything other than potentially detrimental.


As for muzzle flash. Lots has happened before anyone can see that. In fact the muzzle flash is - if I did my part - the end of the scenario. In that context, muzzle flash is irrelevant in terms of "staying low profile".

Muzzle flash does present a real problem shooting in the dark or low light. And I have taken steps to deal with that, but it is a subject for another speech. ;)

As I do not wish to hijack this mans thread start a new one send me a link and I will talk more.

As for the data I use I don't have to look much farther than the hundreds of police shooting and to a lesser degree self defense videos that have been seen by all on this board 1000s of times.

If you think you going to engage a threat to you, with a handgun under the stress of possibly dying while both of you are moving(he is shooting at you too) and score good solid hits every time at more then 10 yards you must be good.

Cause most folks I see shoot cannot!
I can do it at shooting events and USPSA events. ( most of the time)
But I have never been in a shooting and plan to keep it that way so to be honest I am not sure 100% how I will react. No one does until that moment.
I will read your link when I get home as it sucks to do it on a iPhone.

I do not make assumptions I do the best I can with the tools I have.
As far as what I prepare for and my thoughts on the possible use of force is that a gun is not always the best 1st option it is the last option.


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Mayhem like Me
02-14-2012, 14:54
I carried a 645 kind of a bead blasted stainless gun and I fired it on duty to defend myself, I had no issues.
At the time it was the most reliable 45ACP I was allowed to carry on duty...

I kept breaking trigger return springs on my P220 so I did not feel safe with it.

if you want to carry that have it bead blasted, they are really not that reflective when blasted

Gary1911A1
02-14-2012, 15:03
I guess you could consider hard chrome as it won't scratch as easily.

DrtyHarry
02-14-2012, 15:06
Don't forget to rack the slide and cock the hammer for effect.

Might sound and look intimidating, but doing that just leaves me with one less round (as one is always in the pipe).




Harry

ebadai98
02-14-2012, 22:55
I would carry it, then use it to blow my brains out when I scratched it. :)

Same here haha

20South
02-14-2012, 23:01
I would carry it. As said earlier, stainless is cheap and easy to refinish. That Wilson isn't meant to be babied.

NeverMore1701
02-15-2012, 00:46
Don't forget to rack the slide and cock the hammer for effect.

But if you racked the slide you'd have to drop the hammer before you could re-cock it :whistling:

Ruggles
02-15-2012, 01:31
Heck yeah I would carry it :)

The whole shiny gun "giving your position away" seems a bit out of place in CCW to me. I have yet to hear or read about any instance where this was a factor. :)

Goldendog Redux
02-15-2012, 02:14
I'd unload it, drop it in the parking lot, kick the thing against a curb, load it back up, holster it, drive home, kick the dog and enjoy a nice glass of Merlot.

PlasticGuy
02-15-2012, 02:53
Who cares what color your carry pistol is? If it's concealed, nobody will know. If you draw it, everyone will see it regardless of color.

As to the original question, yes it will get scratches and wear marks if you carry it and use it a lot. That's what happens when you carry any pistol. That doesn't keep me from carrying my expensive 1911's. It's a waste to buy a handgun that nice and then not use it.

1911ES
02-15-2012, 04:44
YES .................. It's a Wilson Combat ...... :rock:

Giggity
02-15-2012, 05:54
But if you racked the slide you'd have to drop the hammer before you could re-cock it :whistling:

Dont tell the TV people that.

Myke_Hart
02-15-2012, 06:03
That's a Bar-B-Q gun.

It is meant for carring openly, on dates, nights on the town, business meetings, and church. :supergrin::tongueout::wavey:

Don't forget your pearl or ivory handles!

Carry it loud and proud!:supergrin:

bac1023
02-15-2012, 06:27
I'm not big on carrying shiny pistols.

20South
02-15-2012, 08:03
I'm not big on carrying shiny pistols.

We all know your bias against stainless Brian - you antishine-ite

:rofl::rofl:

mrsurfboard
02-15-2012, 08:35
A worn gun is a well used and carried gun. Guns are not art, they are tools. I would never buy a gun to sit in the safe and look pretty. All my guns, even the expensive ones, are used for my enjoyment!

okie
02-15-2012, 08:39
Yes I would carry that pistol. At my house guns are tools to be used, not hung on the wall to be looked at:supergrin:

Batesmotel
02-15-2012, 13:12
No problem. A little Krylon will fix that.

luger7
02-15-2012, 16:30
I did say, "that's only IF you have to fire." And you won't hear anything after the first "BAMB", if I have the proper equipment/firearm.

So if we are out deep in the woods and I discharge one round....are you saying you can tell exactly where that round came from without seeing the flash? Not with one round, but perhaps with two+. IMHO.



/V

I always carry a pencil, then when I get shot I simply insert the eraser end of the pencil into the wound and the front part of the pencil should point at the person who shot me. It works every time and you can reuse the pencil.:whistling:

P.S. Almost forgot...yes, I'd carry that pistol.

DrtyHarry
02-15-2012, 16:42
I always carry a pencil, then when I get shot I simply insert the eraser end of the pencil into the wound and the front part of the pencil should point at the person who shot me. It works every time and you can reuse the pencil.:whistling:

P.S. Almost forgot...yes, I'd carry that pistol.


Stop getting shot! It's an awful habit. :rofl:



Harry

luger7
02-15-2012, 16:52
Stop getting shot! It's an awful habit. :rofl:



Harry

I've been trying to quit Harry, but it's not that easy...and the little woman is all for that $250,000 death insurance.

limbkiller
02-15-2012, 17:16
Carry it with pride. If you carry correctly you can paint it, polish it, or put any finish you want and it will never be seen. When you have to pull it the finish will not matter as the BG will only be looking at the front end anyway. You are not SWAT, Navy Seals on a covert mission of some kind. If it is giving your position away then you had a chance to probably get away which is the best option. SS is also great for carry because of sweat issues.

CharlestonG26
02-15-2012, 19:20
I'll say this...the shiny effect combined with a laser can be VERY intimidating to most.


This must come from the same logic as: "the racking sound of a 12 gauge pump immediately causes your adversary to drop to their knees and cry for their mother". :rofl:

ijacek
02-15-2012, 20:31
You know, the forensics lab that gets a hold of your gun after self defense shooting, along with the whole chain of control, lawyers and all that will handle your gun like its... a rock. Scratches, will be the least of your worries then... :supergrin:

...just sayin'

Angry Fist
02-15-2012, 20:37
Will it scratch easily? Yes
Would I be afraid to carry it? No
Stainless is easy to refinish.
So are perps... :whistling:

Angry Fist
02-15-2012, 20:38
This must come from the same logic as: "the racking sound of a 12 gauge pump immediately causes your adversary to drop to their knees and cry for their mother". :rofl:
Racking a pump'll getcha killed. WhyTF are you racking it?

fastbolt
02-15-2012, 21:12
While I tend to think the CQB's are somewhat over-priced for what you get (yes, I've handled, examined and fired a fair number of them), the lightly brushed stainless finish wouldn't bother me in the least for a carry/work weapon. Easier to maintain than blue steel.

The whole"visibility" thing is quite overblown for civilian (including civilian LE) use, as far as I'm concerned. The ease of visibility issue is often really overshadowed by the noise made by most folks in many situations. Especially cops. :whistling:

I carried stainless revolvers & pistols for years. Ditto a blued Combat Commander which I had plated in electroless nickel (matt finish). That Commander attracted scratches, blemishes and other surface marks like a magnet. :rofl:

Hey, they're were tools. I don't go out of my way to abuse them, but neither do I care when they became marked up from the rigors of daily carry & use.

Now, if it were a brightly polished silver plated Colt single Action Army, I might feel differently. :tongueout:

DrtyHarry
02-15-2012, 21:31
While I tend to think the CQB's are somewhat over-priced for what you get (yes, I've handled, examined and fired a fair number of them), the lightly brushed stainless finish wouldn't bother me in the least for a carry/work weapon. Easier to maintain than blue steel.



No way! My EDC is a CQB Tac Elite and it's my finest shooting 1911, and I have a rather large selection of custom/semi custom 1911s. IMHO, it's right up there with the Supergrade. I know the more experienced smiths work on the Supergrades, but my CQB shoots no different and I've handled and shot both. Well worth every penny, IMHO. I'll agree that the SG is overpriced though.





Harry

mingaa
02-15-2012, 22:29
Guns are tools. If you do not want them to show wear do not shoot them. If you do not want them to show wear put them in a museum case. My wife and I collect mid-century modern furniture and accessories. We love to use most of our items. If they break in use we dispose of them. If we can we repair them. If we cannot live without them -usually due to sentimental value - we Put them in a safe place to admire them. I shoot my g22 any time I want. My 3rd generation family Browning Auto 5 goes out occasionally to be certain it is in good working order then it gets cleaned and back in its place in our collection.

Travclem
02-16-2012, 07:13
A worn gun is a well used and carried gun. Guns are not art, they are tools. I would never buy a gun to sit in the safe and look pretty. All my guns, even the expensive ones, are used for my enjoyment!
Same here. Most of my full custom hunting rifles are dusty and scratched up from many days in the brush. Why have it if you don't use it?



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CharlestonG26
02-16-2012, 09:05
Racking a pump'll getcha killed. WhyTF are you racking it?

Hummm...think you may have missed the sarcasuim. :dunno:

MoCop
02-16-2012, 14:49
I'd carry it and shoot it a lot. It would be a waste not to do so.

jr05
02-16-2012, 17:36
+1, he is right ^^


But I'd never carry a shiny gun as a defensive weapon. Period.

My CCW badge will give my position away just as much as a shiny gun would...shiny gun is not a problem for me.

jrs93accord
02-16-2012, 17:44
My EDC is a Kimber Stainless Pro Carry II that is housed in a Galco leather holster. After seven years, there is no wear on the stainless. Carry stainless and do it with pride.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011/001-23.jpg

faawrenchbndr
02-16-2012, 18:04
It's a $3.5 pistol.
Would you be scared to drive a $35k car?

Ruggles
02-16-2012, 18:18
It's a $3.5 pistol.
Would you be scared to drive a $35k car?

Great point. :wavey:

I still do not see the real world downside to carrying a "shiny" gun. I cannot think of a realistic situation where it would matter. :dunno:

faawrenchbndr
02-16-2012, 18:29
While a scratch on a $3.5k weapon would/does suck,
it's a small price for a crap load of self assurance & safety.

wrx04
02-16-2012, 18:35
Carry it! Its a sweet gun.:cool:

Angry Fist
02-16-2012, 18:37
Hummm...think you may have missed the sarcasuim. :dunno:
I didn't. Too many people believe that crap. :wavey:

ColCol
02-16-2012, 20:46
I carry a stainless XSE Commander and don't worry about someone seeing it "shine". Once they see it, it's too late for them if the situation warrants such. It's not near as bad as giving someone a beacon to shoot at if I had a laser or light attached to it. May as well put a bulls-eye on my chest.

tim12232
02-16-2012, 22:35
Only reason I would NOT carry it, is because should you ever use it in a SD situation you will be separated from your 3k dollar gun! What a beauty though! I dont even carry my '10 Dan Wesson cbob anymore because I dont want it to be taken for a period of time.

Also My DW has the polished flats and I carry in leather OWB, I have yet to have a scratch on it! But I take utmost care of it!

CharlestonG26
02-17-2012, 14:38
Don't forget to rack the slide and cock the hammer for effect.

The only thing that comes close to the intimidating factor of racking a 12 ga pump...is the sound of chambering a lever action rifle.

That's the reason I carry a nickel plated Winchester 44 magnum carbine when I can't conceal my stainless 'shotty'. :rofl:

CharlestonG26
02-17-2012, 14:42
Only reason I would NOT carry it, is because should you ever use it in a SD situation you will be separated from your 3k dollar gun! What a beauty though! I dont even carry my '10 Dan Wesson cbob anymore because I dont want it to be taken for a period of time.

Also My DW has the polished flats and I carry in leather OWB, I have yet to have a scratch on it! But I take utmost care of it!

These concerns would be quite insignificant compared to other factors in the event of using your weapon in a SD situation.

Angry Fist
02-17-2012, 18:15
These concerns would be quite insignificant compared to other factors in the event of using your weapon in a SD situation.
OH ****! (if I draw, I might scratch it...) Better pick up a brick or yell for the cops. :whistling:


If my custom CCW had to go to work, uhhh, who really cares? I'd post the results, just to piss people off.

Not here, of course, I'd OD on "attaboy's".

Turk
02-17-2012, 21:56
I have a Kimber SS Gold Match that has "shiny" flats like your gun. Every time I clean it I use Mother's Mag & Aluminum polish on those shiny surfaces. You should be able to get it at WallyWorld. It will take care of all those little scratches. It really does work well!

Shoot it, clean & lubricate then polish. Enjoy!

certifiedfunds
02-17-2012, 22:59
It's a $3.5 pistol.
Would you be scared to drive a $35k car?

Excellent point