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UrbanOps
02-14-2012, 09:46
The bug has bitten me. I'm looking for a 1911 for duty use. My agency requires a rail mounted light, night sights and must fit an ALS Safariland duty holster...that's it.

My requirements are, of course, the above plus costing less than $2,000, extremely reliable, must feed HST's and Gold Dots.

I'm trying to make a list of possibilities. So far I have come up with the following. These are in no particular order, however, I am really leaning toward the TRP. The only thing i'm not necessarily liking are the adjustable sights:

1. Springfield TRP ($1500)
2. DW Specialist ($1800 but not out yet)
3. Baer Ultimate Recon (Don't know about price)
4. S&W1911PD ($1200)
5. ????

Which pistol and why? Also list the deficiencies in the pistols you don't care for. I know this has been beaten to death but adding a rail into the mix seems to change things up a bit.

Moravia
02-14-2012, 09:57
I wish I could choose my duty weapon.

I would throw Wilson Combat in the mix but I just checked their current prices :wow:, most are $3000+ base price. I've had good experience with S&W 1911s. I don't see why that couldn't fill the role as long as you tested it with your duty ammo of choice. I have run gold dots and TAP ammo through the 1911 I had, no issues at all. Good luck in finding a new duty weapon.

P.S. Surefire is supposedly coming out with a new X300 that will be 500 lumens, should make a fine weapon light.

knedrgr
02-14-2012, 09:58
To replace the rear sight on the TRP, John Harrison has one. And 10-8 Performance is also coming out with one.

Here's the Harrison sight.
http://shop.harrisoncustom.com/products/93-hd-002-t2-extreme-service-rear-sight.aspx

UrbanOps
02-14-2012, 10:03
I wish I could choose my duty weapon.

I would throw Wilson Combat in the mix but I just checked their current prices :wow:, most are $3000+ base price. I've had good experience with S&W 1911s. I don't see why that couldn't fill the role as long as you tested it with your duty ammo of choice. I have run gold dots and TAP ammo through the 1911 I had, no issues at all. Good luck in finding a new duty weapon.

P.S. Surefire is supposedly coming out with a new X300 that will be 500 lumens, should make a fine weapon light.

I thought about a Wilson CQB LE. Have seen them for $2700-ish but are they $1000 better than a TRP? My only concern with the SW is the alloy frame but I haven't heard much about their 1911 line in general

To replace the rear sight on the TRP, John Harrison has one. And 10-8 Performance is also coming out with one.

Here's the Harrison sight.
http://shop.harrisoncustom.com/products/93-hd-002-t2-extreme-service-rear-sight.aspx

Thanks for the info!

BigLaw
02-14-2012, 10:14
I used the STI Tactical 5.0 for a while. Its a 2011 ( double stack ) The gun is very accurate and did good with a Surefire X300 attached. The down side is the price ( about $1900 with night sights ) but if you are serious about a 1911 style duty gun they fit the bill IMO.

knedrgr
02-14-2012, 10:24
Another good gun to throw near the top is the STI Duty One. Price on that is just above $1K. Great company to deal with and excellent CS.

http://www.stiguns.com/the-sti-duty-one/

ijacek
02-14-2012, 10:47
May I suggest Colt Rail Gun! I know people will be around to bash them soon, but nevertheless. It is about 1K, and Colt's quality has been upswinging.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/jac3k/P3082797.jpg

Quack
02-14-2012, 12:25
my 2 choices...

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-nKCCZxV/0/L/i-nKCCZxV-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-KHfkCXR/0/L/i-KHfkCXR-L.jpg

another thought would be a SA MC Operator (~$1100) and spend the difference on upgrading parts. if you were ready a few weeks ago, Hilton Yam sold one of his 10-8 SA's for ~$1800

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393990_340033039363286_135835059783086_1103363_48358897_n.jpg

ca survivor
02-14-2012, 13:29
what agency are you in that you have to buy the duty weapon an allows 1911s ?

UrbanOps
02-14-2012, 14:38
what agency are you in that you have to buy the duty weapon an allows 1911s ?

Is this a serious question? A lot of places allow you to purchase your own duty side arm or requires that you purchase your own. My sheriff's office issues G22's but I prefer to purchase my own. Right now, I'm carrying my Sig 226.

jedi573
02-14-2012, 14:41
I highly recommend this article by Hilton Yam regarding choosing a 1911 for duty use.

http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Choosing-a-1911-for-Duty-Use.html

Andy

crazymoose
02-14-2012, 15:01
If the budget allowed, I'd go with an Ed Brown. In my experience, they're a very high quality semi-custom made by a guy who understands that a 1911 actually intended for use as a weapon should not be so ridiculously tight that it will malfunction easily.

If the budget doesn't allow that, the TRP is the best bang-for-the-buck duty quality 1911 out there, IMO.

MStarmer
02-14-2012, 15:12
I highly recommend this article by Hilton Yam regarding choosing a 1911 for duty use.

http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Choosing-a-1911-for-Duty-Use.html

Andy

Beat me to it.

Bodyarmorguy
02-14-2012, 15:16
If I were buying a new off the shelf 1911 for duty use and working with a somewhat limited budget the Springfield MC Operator would be my immediate pick. With what ever money I saved by choosing this over the TRP I would replace the rear sight with the one from 10-8 Performance or a Heinie Ledge rear sight with a wide notch, some extra quality magazines and the rest on ammo.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=34

Bodyarmorguy
02-14-2012, 15:24
May I suggest Colt Rail Gun! I know people will be around to bash them soon, but nevertheless. It is about 1K, and Colt's quality has been upswinging.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/jac3k/P3082797.jpg

This is another good choice. Jason Burton recently did a full house build on one but had good things to say about the base pistol in terms of fit an finish.

http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9058

samuse
02-14-2012, 15:39
A railed Pro is my grail when it comes to railed 1911s.

An MC Operator would be my choice in that pricerange.

I don't know what Springfield was thingink with the railed TRP, but the rear sight and bull barrel totally turn me off to it.

Bodyarmorguy
02-14-2012, 15:45
If you are set on a TRP, this model has a fixed sight option.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=26

SpringerTGO
02-14-2012, 16:36
I don't think you can go wrong with Springfield. Read the thread about the guy who blew up his barrel in his new Springfield, and how fast they turned around the repair.
My experience with their service has been just as good.

Quack
02-14-2012, 16:49
I don't think you can go wrong with Springfield. Read the thread about the guy who blew up his barrel in his new Springfield, and how fast they turned around the repair.
My experience with their service has been just as good.

don't forget about the guy that had a Springfield for ~20minutes and it flew out his backpack while on his way home on his motorcycle.

pics:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showpost.php?p=1563653&postcount=202

full thread:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=174946

majette
02-14-2012, 20:49
mc operator is a great choice. the rail gun is also but you would have to upgrade the sights. the trp operator is even better as the bull barrel and frame weight plus the stout recoil spring make it an unbelieveably light recoiling 1911. the adjustable sight is its weakness as it is quick to rust.

jwhite75
02-14-2012, 21:06
To replace the rear sight on the TRP, John Harrison has one. And 10-8 Performance is also coming out with one.

Here's the Harrison sight.
http://shop.harrisoncustom.com/products/93-hd-002-t2-extreme-service-rear-sight.aspx


The TRP is easily one of the best production class 1911s available and the adjuatbale LFA style sughts were my only hold back for me. Not that Harrison has them I will probably go with them.

I think that is definitely your gun.

jwhite75
02-14-2012, 21:14
mc operator is a great choice. the rail gun is also but you would have to upgrade the sights. the trp operator is even better as the bull barrel and frame weight plus the stout recoil spring make it an unbelieveably light recoiling 1911. the adjustable sight is its weakness as it is quick to rust.

OK I m kind of a newb on the adjustables why is this particular thing quick to rust and would something like the Harrison fixed sights remedy that?

knedrgr
02-14-2012, 21:22
I second SA's CS. Replaced my SA Compact's original barrel. No questions asked. I got this gun in a trade.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/9d5ee795.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/d7936b9d.jpg

mrsurfboard
02-14-2012, 23:09
A big consideration with a duty weapon is repair. If the gun should need repair who would turn it around the fastest. Based on that, you shouldn't even consider Colt. Their repair time is 8+ weeks. S&W, especially with police duty weapons, is very fast and they stand by their product.

Wild Gene
02-15-2012, 00:14
Over budget but I would get one of the Predator Tactical "Shrikes". They are gonna work.

glock2740
02-15-2012, 06:54
The bug has bitten me. I'm looking for a 1911 for duty use. My agency requires a rail mounted light, night sights and must fit an ALS Safariland duty holster...that's it.

My requirements are, of course, the above plus costing less than $2,000, extremely reliable, must feed HST's and Gold Dots.

I'm trying to make a list of possibilities. So far I have come up with the following. These are in no particular order, however, I am really leaning toward the TRP. The only thing i'm not necessarily liking are the adjustable sights:

1. Springfield TRP ($1500)
2. DW Specialist ($1800 but not out yet)
3. Baer Ultimate Recon (Don't know about price)
4. S&W1911PD ($1200)
5. ????

Which pistol and why? Also list the deficiencies in the pistols you don't care for. I know this has been beaten to death but adding a rail into the mix seems to change things up a bit.
Valor? :dunno:

HexHead
02-15-2012, 07:01
A big consideration with a duty weapon is repair. If the gun should need repair who would turn it around the fastest. Based on that, you shouldn't even consider Colt. Their repair time is 8+ weeks. S&W, especially with police duty weapons, is very fast and they stand by their product.


When my New Agent got recalled, they sent me a FedEx 2nd day tag. I shipped it on a Wed. They received it on Friday and it was back in my hands the following Wed. One week door to door with 4 days traveling and a weekend. How much better CS do you want?

Given the criteria, the Colt Rail Gun would be my choice in a heartbeat.

UrbanOps
02-15-2012, 07:41
Valor? :dunno:

No rail.


I may look further into the Colt Rail Gun since several of you have spoken about it.

jwhite75
02-15-2012, 08:18
The Rail Gun isnt a bad option.

mrsurfboard
02-15-2012, 08:32
When my New Agent got recalled, they sent me a FedEx 2nd day tag. I shipped it on a Wed. They received it on Friday and it was back in my hands the following Wed. One week door to door with 4 days traveling and a weekend. How much better CS do you want?

Given the criteria, the Colt Rail Gun would be my choice in a heartbeat.

Maybe because it was a recall? But I've been reading for run of the mill repairs taking weeks. Maybe Colt would speed it up for an LE gun, but i know S&W takes care of it LE clients.

TrueGunNut
02-15-2012, 12:00
Dw valor black 5"

knedrgr
02-15-2012, 12:05
Dw valor black 5"

The bug has bitten me. I'm looking for a 1911 for duty use. My agency requires a rail mounted light, night sights and must fit an ALS Safariland duty holster...that's it.


ummm :whistling:

ca survivor
02-15-2012, 12:37
Is this a serious question? A lot of places allow you to purchase your own duty side arm or requires that you purchase your own. My sheriff's office issues G22's but I prefer to purchase my own. Right now, I'm carrying my Sig 226.
of course is a serious question, specially the part of 1911s, and still waiting for the agency name and place.

UrbanOps
02-15-2012, 12:51
of course is a serious question, specially the part of 1911s, and still waiting for the agency name and place.

Number one, I don't appreciate your hostility. Number two, I'm not divulging my agency other than to say a Sheriff's Office.

Bodyarmorguy
02-15-2012, 12:59
what agency are you in that you have to buy the duty weapon an allows 1911s ?

Is this a serious question? A lot of places allow you to purchase your own duty side arm or requires that you purchase your own. My sheriff's office issues G22's but I prefer to purchase my own. Right now, I'm carrying my Sig 226.

of course is a serious question, specially the part of 1911s, and still waiting for the agency name and place.

Number one, I don't appreciate your hostility. Number two, I'm not divulging my agency other than to say a Sheriff's Office.

I was with the Melbourne (FL) Police Department from October 1984 to April 2007. We did not begin issuing pistols until January 2007. Prior to that Officers provided their own pistol and 1911's were on the approved list. Anyone hired prior to January 2007 could continue to carry their own firearm including 1911's provided that they at no time accepted the issue G37. That I know of, at least 5 of the 190 +/- Officers still carry 1911's.

ca survivor
02-15-2012, 13:54
Number one, I don't appreciate your hostility. Number two, I'm not divulging my agency other than to say a Sheriff's Office.
don't know why are you sensing hostility, none from me.

ca survivor
02-15-2012, 13:58
I was with the Melbourne (FL) Police Department from October 1984 to April 2007. We did not begin issuing pistols until January 2007. Prior to that Officers provided their own pistol and 1911's were on the approved list. Anyone hired prior to January 2007 could continue to carry their own firearm including 1911's provided that they at no time accepted the issue G37. That I know of, at least 5 of the 190 +/- Officers still carry 1911's.
That is why I was asking, I have never seen a LEO with a 1911 except SWAT and I'm always looking...:rofl:

Bodyarmorguy
02-15-2012, 18:37
That is why I was asking, I have never seen a LEO with a 1911 except SWAT and I'm always looking...:rofl:

It's actually more common than you think. When I was in the body armor industry I worked south Florida where you are located and there were a few Miami-Dade motormen that I saw carrying 1911's.

1911's were (not sure if still are) authorized for Chicago PD. I travel quite a bit and see 1911's in uniform holsters quite often.

I believe that even LAPD now permits 1911's for patrol officers who attend and complete the transition class.

Cochese
02-15-2012, 20:35
That is why I was asking, I have never seen a LEO with a 1911 except SWAT and I'm always looking...:rofl:

You should look around more often. :wavey:

<--- Not SWAT.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kZ3rqXOvoeQ/TcTnq7Cx_BI/AAAAAAAACto/hNLKVgaA4Sg/s1152/IMAG0204.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nxM3OiqsnWY/TcTnksXg91I/AAAAAAAACtg/BbwbisN8JBM/s1152/IMAG0223.jpg

psycho steve
02-25-2012, 20:49
my entire department, limestone county sheriff's office in athens, al is issued sig 1911 nitron rail 45acp. sheriff is a big fan of 1911's. he hated our glock 22's and sold them to buy our sigs. excellent fit and finish. stainless barrel, slide. novak nightsights to boot. we love them and they shoot fantastic. we wish we would have got the sig tac ops but it didnt come out until after we got ours. it comes with 4 mags, night sites, magwell and ambi safeties. sig of course had to be different than everybody else so the slide is more square than a regular 1911 but a serpa holster is what we issue for duty and a safariland holster made for a springfiled will also work. i am on the srt team and i switch between 3 guns. i carry a springfield mc operator, springfield trp operator and the sig. i have never had any problems with the adjustable sight on the trp and its a tack driver. just have to get use to the front checkering. it is sharp. the mc operator is also great. good luck on your choice.

MELE20C
02-26-2012, 09:41
I once worked for a municipal PD in Texas in the late 90`s that required purchasing of duty weapons and allowed most designs of quality. I carried a SA TRP for awhile but the ambi safety kept wiping off on the steering wheel as I exited the cruiser. Maybe it was my build or the way I exited but I couldn`t solve it. Finding a cocked and unlocked 45 in my holster on more than one occasion was somewhat disconcerting. Shortly thereafter, the rear sight fell off while shooting on the range and I traded it off after that. For what it`s worth, I`d throw my vote to smith and wesson`s enhanced series for quality and customer service. I don`t know your age or years of service but all that iron eventually became too much for my lower back and I switched to Glock and HK which was a blessing. Best of luck and stay safe out there.

travDMH
02-26-2012, 15:03
You should look around more often. :wavey:

<--- Not SWAT.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kZ3rqXOvoeQ/TcTnq7Cx_BI/AAAAAAAACto/hNLKVgaA4Sg/s1152/IMAG0204.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nxM3OiqsnWY/TcTnksXg91I/AAAAAAAACtg/BbwbisN8JBM/s1152/IMAG0223.jpg

That is so awesome. I'm graduating college soon and have interned/worked with a couple agencies and PD's. I hope whatever department I land on I can carry a 1911

mntrpr
02-26-2012, 15:18
You should look around more often. :wavey:



I hate you.

:bowdown:

leeward419
02-26-2012, 16:15
if it had to be a 1911 id get a springfield operator, but if not why not a glock 21 with double the capacity, and no extractor tuning, or a sig p220?

Glolt20-91
02-26-2012, 16:52
That is why I was asking, I have never seen a LEO with a 1911 except SWAT and I'm always looking...:rofl:

Cochise County, Arizona SO - Colt Series 80

UrbanOps
02-26-2012, 17:04
Thank you everyone for your continued input. It's looking like a SA TRP is in my future if my tax return ever shows up!

glock2740
02-26-2012, 17:39
You won't go wrong with the TRP.

plouffedaddy
02-26-2012, 17:51
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0783.jpg

Full review:

http://gunreviewguy.blogspot.com/2012/01/springfield-armory-trp-with-rail-and.html

Bottom line---I can't make this gun malfunction if I wanted to. It feeds HST like they're 230 ball; doesn't skip a beat. It's really accurate and I haven't had any issues with the rear sight at all.

John Eastwood
02-26-2012, 20:40
I don't know what Springfield was thingink with the railed TRP, but the rear sight and bull barrel totally turn me off to it.

What is your hold-up with the bull barrel for duty use?


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Bowtie
02-27-2012, 10:07
if it had to be a 1911 id get a springfield operator, but if not why not a glock 21 with double the capacity, and no extractor tuning, or a sig p220?

I carry a 1911 with CMC 10 rndrs.

Havent seen a Glock 21 that holds 20 rnds :whistling:

itstime
02-27-2012, 10:30
I'm starting to like those STI's. How are they and the company to deal with?

crazymoose
02-27-2012, 12:42
I'm starting to like those STI's. How are they and the company to deal with?

Fantastic. They're a relatively small company who really care about their reputation, and they'll take care of you.