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clogspecialist
02-15-2012, 00:22
As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.

faawrenchbndr
02-15-2012, 03:33
They are NOT discontinuing the GI model.
They ARE back ordered sooooooo deep, Soringer pulled the GI from the listings on the website.

bac1023
02-15-2012, 06:23
They are NOT discontinuing the GI model.
They ARE back ordered sooooooo deep, Soringer pulled the GI from the listings on the website.

Exactly

bac1023
02-15-2012, 06:25
As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.


I'd sell your Glock outright and find a GI on Gunbroker.

Quack
02-15-2012, 08:16
Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

On TOS i believe there was a guy that was told that the back orders for the GI would be cancelled at the end of 2011.

bac1023
02-15-2012, 08:35
Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

On TOS i believe there was a guy that was told that the back orders for the GI would be cancelled at the end of 2011.

Wow, very interesting.

Why would that be exclusive to just the GI though?

silversport
02-15-2012, 10:47
well...IF Imbel raises the stakes to get more money, Springfield might respond with "we'll source frames from another vendor and finish them ourselves."...just speculation on my part of course...but may provide the impetus...

Bill

MStarmer
02-15-2012, 11:07
They're not going to get any cheaper, if it were me I'd spend a few bucks extra and get the mil-spec. Still a good representation of the original with a few worthy upgrades that most people do anyway. That's what I was after but ended up with a Loaded instead, too good a deal to pass up and I thought it was a good value.

Quack
02-15-2012, 11:20
Wow, very interesting.

Why would that be exclusive to just the GI though?

My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.

Quack
02-15-2012, 11:23
fromt TOS:


That's why I bought (thought I did anyway) one. It also doesn't have the enlarged ejection port. I know that isn't really preferred for practical applications, but if you want something as close to the original as possible without spending a lot more, that was it.

Here's what someone from SA emailed me:

"...While the PW9108 is not being discontinued it is on an indefinite backorder and we are going to cancel all back orders after the first of the year. It is not likely that you will receive the GI you ordered on the 3rd of October as there are many orders that have been much longer. I would recommend taking a look at the PB9108LP which is a very similar model that will be much more available. The PB9108LP Milspec is a little nicer gun that usually costs about $70 more than the PW9108LP but has over $200 worth of upgrades done to it yet maintaining the traditional Look of the GI...."

They sent me another email a while back indicating that they had a huge back-order situation. I never thought that they would just cancel orders...It seems to me that they are doing it to shift buyers over to a different pistol while they catch up.

clogspecialist
02-15-2012, 11:50
Just called about 20 different gunshops in the cincinnati area, ONE had a G.I (but it was stainless therefore im not interested) 3 had Mil-specs (which were also stainless, not interested) so my faith is now diminsished. I checked gunbroker and there is not a single 5" G.I listed, there is a 4" champion parkerized but i require the 5" barrel. i dont weant to just sell the Glock first because even though its only had about 300rounds through it, i could only get about $400 for it, that makes me about $250 of from a G.I

so should i attempt and do a massive complicated swap for the one in the state next to me?

I figure i could walk in and talk to em, then figure out a plan to have my local ffl ship my glock to them, maybe add $150 cash, and have them ship their G.I to my ffl. for all the exchange my local FFl would probably charge me $50 and maybe even the shipping, then i would be into it more than i'd like to be.

Maybe i should just suck it up and stick with my G20

rickrope
02-15-2012, 12:46
I'm not sure why you're over complicating things here. Go get a copy of your dealers FFL, go to the store that has the gun you want. Take your G20 with you hand it to them and pay the remaining amount with cash or a credit card and have them ship it to your dealer. Done you should have the gun tomorrow.

:dunno:

Just called about 20 different gunshops in the cincinnati area, ONE had a G.I (but it was stainless therefore im not interested) 3 had Mil-specs (which were also stainless, not interested) so my faith is now diminsished. I checked gunbroker and there is not a single 5" G.I listed, there is a 4" champion parkerized but i require the 5" barrel. i dont weant to just sell the Glock first because even though its only had about 300rounds through it, i could only get about $400 for it, that makes me about $250 of from a G.I

so should i attempt and do a massive complicated swap for the one in the state next to me?

I figure i could walk in and talk to em, then figure out a plan to have my local ffl ship my glock to them, maybe add $150 cash, and have them ship their G.I to my ffl. for all the exchange my local FFl would probably charge me $50 and maybe even the shipping, then i would be into it more than i'd like to be.

Maybe i should just suck it up and stick with my G20

Quack
02-15-2012, 13:54
Pro Armament in Cuyahoga Falls Ohio has a pre owned GI for $599. Also try Vances in Columbus.

bac1023
02-15-2012, 13:59
My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.

Makes sense

DaveJ
02-15-2012, 17:30
OE Outfitters,which is just north of Dayton shows them on there website,don't know if they have them in stock or not.I have bought a couple of guns there ,nice people.

limbkiller
02-15-2012, 17:39
2 gun shops in the Louisville area have mil-specs (not SS versions) for 669.00.

crazymoose
02-15-2012, 18:05
Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

Would not surprise me at all. I don't know what Springfield is paying the Brazilians, but I'm guessing it's nowhere near what they're charging. Same with the XD and the Croatians.

faawrenchbndr
02-15-2012, 18:07
Thanks for the updated info Quack!

crazymoose
02-15-2012, 18:07
well...IF Imbel raises the stakes to get more money, Springfield might respond with "we'll source frames from another vendor and finish them ourselves."...just speculation on my part of course...but may provide the impetus...

Bill

I can't see Springfield accepting a lower margin, and I don't know who has experience and expertise forging 1911's that's going to do it cheaper than the Brazilians, so I'd suspect a price increase is in the works no matter what.

clogspecialist
02-15-2012, 21:22
Pro Armament in Cuyahoga Falls Ohio has a pre owned GI for $599. Also try Vances in Columbus.

I appreciate the help Quack!

Mr.Reignman
02-16-2012, 01:50
As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.



hmmm I've owned Kimbers, Springers, Colt's RIA's and Taurus' ...... I'll be damned if besides looks the RIA and Taurus didn't shoot the best. Now granted, I modded the crap out of that RIA but reliability and point of aim? sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit. I wouldn't sweat a RIA, not one bit.

Snaps
02-16-2012, 03:07
I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911

1911Tuner
02-16-2012, 05:19
A cast frame is neither here nor there, as long as it's a good casting. The slide is the part that you don't want to be cast. That's where all the stress is. The slide and barrel assembly is the gun. The frame is no more than the gun mount and a housing for the controls.

silversport
02-16-2012, 06:25
I can't see Springfield accepting a lower margin, and I don't know who has experience and expertise forging 1911's that's going to do it cheaper than the Brazilians, so I'd suspect a price increase is in the works no matter what.

I wonder why they finish any of the less expensive models in Geneseo then (unless it was merely to increase output)...but I suspect a price increase too...

Bill

HexHead
02-16-2012, 06:37
I'm not sure why you're over complicating things here. Go get a copy of your dealers FFL, go to the store that has the gun you want. Take your G20 with you hand it to them and pay the remaining amount with cash or a credit card and have them ship it to your dealer. Done you should have the gun tomorrow.

:dunno:

This. Especially since you would use an online dealer.

Or call your local FFL from the other dealer and ask him to fax his FFL.

majette
02-16-2012, 23:45
That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911

the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.

Snaps
02-17-2012, 00:56
the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.

Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.

Quack
02-17-2012, 07:31
Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.

Yes, the forgings come from IMBEL, but you'd be surprised how many other 1911's start with Korean forgings.

Mushinto
02-18-2012, 21:20
Yes, the forgings come from IMBEL, but you'd be surprised how many other 1911's start with Korean forgings.

Which ones?

Quack
02-18-2012, 21:23
Which ones?

Korean? Nighthawk, Dan Wesson,

FLIPPER 348
02-18-2012, 22:19
the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.

All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.

RMTactical
02-18-2012, 22:20
My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.

I prefer the US made ones anyways. Hopefully they start making them exclusively in the US.

clogspecialist
02-19-2012, 11:41
All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.

Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews

Quack
02-19-2012, 11:46
What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well?

Since they became Springfield Armory, Inc.
IIRC, the receivers are now made in Canada by Alpha Casting INC.

fnfalman
02-19-2012, 12:07
Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews

Springfield in Illinoise had imported guns from various manufacturers and countries throughout the years. FN FAL and M1911 from IMBEL, Galil and CZ-75 clones from IMI, HS2000 from Croatia, etc. Oh yeah, anybody remembered the OMEGA from Peter Stahl of Germany?

PrecisionRifleman
02-19-2012, 12:09
Sell it on Gunbroker. Your going to get screwed on a trade.

LTR
02-19-2012, 16:52
Since they became Springfield Armory, Inc.
IIRC, the receivers are now made in Canada by Alpha Casting INC.

Originally the smalls parts were USGI until they dried up. Bruce Machine out of Taiwan makes most of the small parts today.

crazymoose
02-20-2012, 14:46
Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews

Compare the parts fitting on some Filipino guns versus the Brazilian guns. The Brazilian guns are forged, which is nice, but the gunsmithing on ATI and RIA guns usually beats the Brazilian, in my experience.

clogspecialist
02-20-2012, 22:10
Bad news, They sold their G.I- I am now in a puddle of sorrow
My buddy bought a RIA 1911A1 today for $450 total. Seems like a decent piece of machinery, but im in it for the springfield or maybe a remington, hell maybe even a Kahr

Snaps
02-21-2012, 00:26
Bad news, They sold their G.I- I am now in a puddle of sorrow
My buddy bought a RIA 1911A1 today for $450 total. Seems like a decent piece of machinery, but im in it for the springfield or maybe a remington, hell maybe even a Kahr
RIA make decent guns, got the girlfriend one and it shoots well and is put together pretty well.

Kahr makes the Auto Ord 1911s as well.


Springfield Armory of today has nothing in common with Springfield armory, they just bought the name as I understand it.

shays4me
02-21-2012, 02:31
Why not a Ruger? Sure, they're cast, but so is the Remington and the Ruger has a series 70 trigger. As far as the stainless goes, have it coated. Ruger has been building cast frame guns for years and they seem to have the hang of it. I had a GI model and found it to be a finicky beast. It was a little too tight out of the box to be reliable. Another problem I had is that once I added all the little things to it that I'd liked to have had it would have cost me over a grand! So, I sold it to my brother, who now has a over a grand in it, and bought a Kimber. Moral of the story is that you can save money now, or save money later. The GI is a good gun, IF it has everything you want already. Otherwise, get a mil-spec or loaded, IMHO.

RON in PA
02-21-2012, 04:47
I have a Springfield GI and a RIA GI. I've had problems with the Springfield due to the extractor. Also the RIA has a better trigger pull and has features more like the Springfield Milspec.

clogspecialist
02-21-2012, 10:09
Why not a Ruger? Sure, they're cast, but so is the Remington and the Ruger has a series 70 trigger. As far as the stainless goes, have it coated. Ruger has been building cast frame guns for years and they seem to have the hang of it. I had a GI model and found it to be a finicky beast. It was a little too tight out of the box to be reliable. Another problem I had is that once I added all the little things to it that I'd liked to have had it would have cost me over a grand! So, I sold it to my brother, who now has a over a grand in it, and bought a Kimber. Moral of the story is that you can save money now, or save money later. The GI is a good gun, IF it has everything you want already. Otherwise, get a mil-spec or loaded, IMHO.

I really was considering the ruger, but on top of my Glock 20, i would have to throw down about $350 or more and then i don't even know how long or how much it would cost to have it blue'd or parkerized. Considering STI spartan if i cant find a mil-spec or G.I, or hell i may even settle on a ruger P345 .45, cheap and seem like great durable guns (me likes single stack)

clogspecialist
02-21-2012, 10:12
I have a Springfield GI and a RIA GI. I've had problems with the Springfield due to the extractor. Also the RIA has a better trigger pull and has features more like the Springfield Milspec.

IF ONLY MY HANDS COULD GROWW! then i wouldnt be in this situation and id be perfectly content with the Glock 20.

rickrope
02-21-2012, 10:33
IF ONLY MY HANDS COULD GROWW! then i wouldnt be in this situation and id be perfectly content with the Glock 20.

??

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z234/mditt8671/bking-tinyhands07130720.jpg

crazymoose
02-21-2012, 13:21
I really was considering the ruger, but on top of my Glock 20, i would have to throw down about $350 or more and then i don't even know how long or how much it would cost to have it blue'd or parkerized. Considering STI spartan if i cant find a mil-spec or G.I, or hell i may even settle on a ruger P345 .45, cheap and seem like great durable guns (me likes single stack)

If you do decide to go with a Ruger (non-1911), I highly, highly recommend picking up a used P90 over a 345. YMMV.

jknight8907
02-21-2012, 13:36
Just called about 20 different gunshops in the cincinnati area, ONE had a G.I (but it was stainless therefore im not interested) 3 had Mil-specs (which were also stainless, not interested) so my faith is now diminsished. I checked gunbroker and there is not a single 5" G.I listed, there is a 4" champion parkerized but i require the 5" barrel. i dont weant to just sell the Glock first because even though its only had about 300rounds through it, i could only get about $400 for it, that makes me about $250 of from a G.I

so should i attempt and do a massive complicated swap for the one in the state next to me?

I figure i could walk in and talk to em, then figure out a plan to have my local ffl ship my glock to them, maybe add $150 cash, and have them ship their G.I to my ffl. for all the exchange my local FFl would probably charge me $50 and maybe even the shipping, then i would be into it more than i'd like to be.

Maybe i should just suck it up and stick with my G20

If your g20 is in good condition you could easily get $475 for it. You certainly won't get more value as a trade than you will selling outright.

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usmc66
11-26-2012, 10:10
I have a Springfield GI and love it. It feels just like my Dad's Remington Rand that I inherited. Neither gun is for sale, but just for the record, I have 4 RIA's and love them all. They have excellent customer service, forged frames and slides and very good quality workmanship. I feel sure the day will come when my son's will inherit and love every one of the John Moses Browning gems.

Nestor
11-26-2012, 17:21
I have a Springfield GI and love it. It feels just like my Dad's Remington Rand that I inherited. Neither gun is for sale, but just for the record, I have 4 RIA's and love them all. They have excellent customer service, forged frames and slides and very good quality workmanship. I feel sure the day will come when my son's will inherit and love every one of the John Moses Browning gems.

RIA are good guns, but the frames are cast, not forged.