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nEEdLzZz
02-16-2012, 13:08
hey guys...

i'm currently shopping for either a sig p228 or p229..

i've heard people say that the p228 is a better gun..and the only difference is that the p228 is made out of carbon stamped steel (which is more prone to develop rust) and the p229 out of forged stainless steel...

so for me it sounds that the p229 is better, quality-wise...

does anyone have practical experience with either one of these guns? even long-term experience or "war" experience?

any info on this would be very much appreciated...:cool::wavey:

2-8 Marine
02-16-2012, 13:15
Well, I've owned my P228 for 13 years and its still going strong and never any rust. I can assure you quality wise its hard to beat the P228. Are you sure about the difference in steel used to built either gun?

Tim151515
02-16-2012, 13:19
A gun will only rust if you let moister build up. As long as you keep it wiped down after handling it you will be fine. And, contrary to popular belief, stainless guns can rust too. I have seen many a rusted revolver and 1911 that people just assumed, "its stainless, it wont rust."

jwhite75
02-16-2012, 13:23
The slide is made differently. The 229 was changed due to the higher pressures associated with the .40 and .357 sig rounds.

The 228 IMO has a better balance in the hand and shoots better too. I shoot indoor bullseye matches locally and for S n G I shot my 228 last month. 3.75 in barrel with Factory Federal 9mm from Wally. I was within mere points from the top shooters who were shooting custom 1911s and ppc revolvers with light handloads and wadcutters.

If you are going 9mm get the 228 and make sure its a German. You wont be sorry.

bac1023
02-16-2012, 13:26
For just 9mm, I feel the P228 is the better choice.

nEEdLzZz
02-16-2012, 13:26
Well, I've owned my P228 for 13 years and its still going strong and never any rust. I can assure you quality wise its hard to beat the P228. Are you sure about the difference in steel used to built either gun?

well..based on this wikipedia article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_P226#P228

BailRecoveryAgent
02-16-2012, 13:27
The slide is made differently. The 229 was changed due to the higher pressures associated with the .40 and .357 sig rounds.

The 228 IMO has a better balance in the hand and shoots better too.

The 228 definitely balances better, but I don't think I would have been able to tell the difference if I wasn't holding both at the same time.

I would probably go with the 228 if it was me.

nutty_one
02-16-2012, 13:32
Are you wanting a 9mm or a .40? The 228 is only available in 9mm - the 229 was made as more or less a stronger version of the 228 to handle the recoil of the .40 and the .357Sig rounds, but you can get 9mm 229's also. Both are fine weapons.

nEEdLzZz
02-16-2012, 13:35
Are you wanting a 9mm or a .40? The 228 is only available in 9mm - the 229 was made as more or less a stronger version of the 228 to handle the recoil of the .40 and the .357Sig rounds, but you can get 9mm 229's also. Both are fine weapons.

yep...i'm looking for a 9mm..
i've found one which was kept as a collectors item and apparently has never been shot...

here's the link:

http://ch.gebrauchtwaffen.ch/catalogo/242/Pistolen/id/122015/SIG-Sauer-P-228-9x19mm-ParabellumLugerNATO.html

it's in german though..since i live in switzerland :wavey:

cowboy1964
02-16-2012, 15:45
If I ever get another Sig it will probably be a 228, or maybe a 225.

Tx-SIG229
02-16-2012, 17:27
i like them both but the p228 is lighter.

fwiw, lately i have been carrying a g19 or g23 mainly because they are lighter and the mags are cheaper :)

cowboy1964
02-16-2012, 18:14
fwiw, lately i have been carrying a g19 or g23 mainly because they are lighter and the mags are cheaper :)

Ditto. 5" height, 30 oz loaded with 16 rounds, every holster and accessory you could ever dream of, easiest to mod and detail strip, etc etc. I'm trying a lot of different carry guns but I keep coming back to the G19. I'm finally starting to shoot it halfway decently too (it's only been two years).

Rinspeed
02-16-2012, 18:18
One of the biggest things I think you should consider is if you buy a 228 you are stuck with a 9mm forever. If you get a 229 in .40 or .357 you can get a 9mm conversion barrel. There is nothing wrong with the sheet steel slides but they do require a little more care.

adamg01
02-16-2012, 19:35
For just 9mm, I feel the P228 is the better choice.

Without a doubt. You don't need the beefier 229 for the 9mm round. If I ever decide to own another .40, it will be the 229. I have only owned about 5 or so Sig's and it was my favorite. I preferred the G19 over my 228 but I much preferred the 229 over the G23. I guess I am weird like that.

1stMAW
02-17-2012, 11:03
I own 3 sig 228's. 3229's and 3 225's. The 228 and the 225 are much lighter and well balanced, the 229 is top heavy....Most of the time I carry a 229 in .357sig around my farm and the 225 as my carry piece...My wife has usurped the 228's....I carry a colt 1911 as well....

fnfalman
02-17-2012, 11:04
P228 = better balance and German made.
P229 = top heavy feel and American made.

I have both and I can't remember the last time I shot my P229.

125K9
02-17-2012, 15:39
Sigs are my favorite pistols, although I carry, and like, Glocks. My first P228 came in 1991, and has always been flawless throughout all of these years. I picked up a second 228, a 1990 built CPO, about 3 years ago. It too has been flawless. In 2008 I bought a P229 9mm and did my upmost to like it but never managed. Compared to the 228's it seemed way top heavy and out of balance. Once you've had a German-built P228 nothing else feels quite right.

arclight610
02-17-2012, 15:47
well..based on this wikipedia article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_P226#P228

Last week The Onion had an article about the Sig P228. They said that the Sig slides are made of cast iron.

12131
02-17-2012, 15:56
For metal double stack 9, the Sig P228 rules! Just completed this wheel last week, with 4 W. Germans and 3 Germans. Shipwreck, get in here!:supergrin:
http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/qavsiv/ERG/sig//1group-sig228w01.jpg

12131
02-17-2012, 15:56
Last week The Onion had an article about the Sig P228. They said that the Sig slides are made of cast iron.
Of course, they are.:supergrin:

cowboy1964
02-17-2012, 19:26
For metal double stack 9, the Sig P228 rules! Just completed this wheel last week, with 4 W. Germans and 3 Germans. Shipwreck, get in here!:supergrin:
http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/qavsiv/ERG/sig//1group-sig228w01.jpg

Do you have a favorite amongst those, and if so, for what reason(s)?

12131
02-17-2012, 20:43
Do you have a favorite amongst those, and if so, for what reason(s)?
It's a Sig P228. They're all great to start with. But, among them, if I really have to pick one (with a gun to my head), it would be the one at 7 o'clock. It's one I bought from Todd of Customized Creationz. http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/7430041652/p/2. His trigger job on the gun made it silky smooth and an already excellent SA pull just a little better. Owners of W. German Sigs know how good their SA triggers are. They just break like glass. I replaced the factory plastic grips with the Hogue Extreme Aluminum Checkered grips.
My observation about the standard (fat) vs. short trigger: standard is good at SA mode, but short is good for DA mode. This applies for me only. Other folks I'm sure will have their own preference.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 21:08
For metal double stack 9, the Sig P228 rules! Just completed this wheel last week, with 4 W. Germans and 3 Germans. Shipwreck, get in here!:supergrin:
http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/qavsiv/ERG/sig//1group-sig228w01.jpg


Very nice indeed

12131
02-17-2012, 21:15
Thanks bac. You know, seeing you wanting to branch out, I got to have a head start. :rofl::supergrin:

bac1023
02-17-2012, 21:57
Thanks bac. You know, seeing you wanting to branch out, I got to have a head start. :rofl::supergrin:

:rofl::rofl:

Do you still have all those P series Rugers?

12131
02-17-2012, 22:54
:rofl::rofl:

Do you still have all those P series Rugers?
Sold 4 polymer ones. Still have 4 metal ones (89, 93, and 2 x 90).

fowler
02-18-2012, 07:23
The welded slides of carbon are weaker and service life shorter . Don,t shoot +p or +P+ out of a older 3 piece welded slide. The Older matt finish on the 228 is weaker and more rust prone. Plus the 228 are maybe a 1oz. lighter that the 229 which makes it a little harder to shoot fast. The 229 is one piece stainless slide with the new Ionbond Nitron coating which is the lastest contracter of the Nitron finish and the best Sig has used. The 229 can handle all the +P &+P+ you can afford. And the slide will not come apart or spread like a 228 Carbon welded slide can and has. The Navy passed on the welded slides for all the above reasons. Buy the newer 229 made in the good old USA where we pride are American workers. You will find alot of people who have older Sigs will tell you there the best as you will find a lot of people who will say American Sigs are the best for serious defence. If you had a old Ford Model T would you feel it was good as a new Ford Mustang GT?

NEOH212
02-18-2012, 09:07
My carry piece is a Sig 229 .40. I have fired the 228 and I must say it's a fine pistol. I love them both and you won't go wrong either way. Sigs are some fantastic guns and very durable. As long as you do your part and keep them clean, lubed and reasonably maintained, they will outlast you.

SPIN2010
02-18-2012, 09:17
I just got my final SIG on Tuesday ... after five months of hassle with SIG Exeter customer service (worst ever) over a defective series of P229 Elite Dark pistols, the custom shop stepped up with the P229 SS you see here.

Too many details to list ... the target says it all.

NEOH212
02-18-2012, 09:21
I just got my final SIG on Tuesday ... after five months of hassle with SIG Exeter customer service (worst ever) over a defective series of P229 Elite Dark pistols, the custom shop stepped up with the P229 SS you see here.

Too many details to list ... the target says it all.

Yes, it sucks that they had the trouble with those pistols that they did. I'm glad to hear (and see :wow:) that they made it right with you as Sig always does.

This is more proof that Sig, just like Glock and every other manufacture has a few problem guns from time to time. I love the 229 and this far is the best .40 platform I have ever had. That's why I carry one!

:supergrin:

fnfalman
02-18-2012, 09:25
I think that about the only true improvement had been made to the P2XX series was the short reset trigger. Everything else were purely cosmetics.

NEOH212
02-18-2012, 09:26
I think that about the only true improvement had been made to the P2XX series was the short reset trigger. Everything else were purely cosmetics.

I would have to agree. I don't like the slide on the new 229's either. I want the old slide design back!

fnfalman
02-18-2012, 09:29
The welded slides of carbon are weaker and service life shorter . Don,t shoot +p or +P+ out of a older 3 piece welded slide.

You DO know that the weaker carbon slides were designed to shoot NATO rounds, right? Last I checked, NATO rounds are the equivalence of +P loads.

The Older matt finish on the 228 is weaker and more rust prone.

They were blued. You can always put some magic frou frou coating on them. BTW, my 105-years-old SW Triple Lock with the weaker and rust-prone blued finish still ain't rusted yet.

If you had a old Ford Model T would you feel it was good as a new Ford Mustang GT?

What makes the new SIGs the equivalence of the Mustang GT? Did SIG change the internal design? The new guns aren't modified Browning recoil operation any more?

oldsoldier
02-18-2012, 09:40
I've fired the P228 and they are a fine gun. However I prefer and carry a P229 in .40.

SPIN2010
02-18-2012, 09:52
Yeah NE, it was sad ... after 2 units (one chewed the rails to pieces and one I never fired due to the same burr being there) SIG customer service was still saying the gun(s) was working within normal operating parameters. I have to give kudos to the custom shop for over riding customer service (even though CustSvc tried their best to block the action). I have to wave ppl off SIG Exeter from this point on, unless dealing directly with the custom shop by phone/email.

Seminoles
02-18-2012, 10:26
The welded slides of carbon are weaker and service life shorter . Don,t shoot +p or +P+ out of a older 3 piece welded slide. The Older matt finish on the 228 is weaker and more rust prone. Plus the 228 are maybe a 1oz. lighter that the 229 which makes it a little harder to shoot fast. The 229 is one piece stainless slide with the new Ionbond Nitron coating which is the lastest contracter of the Nitron finish and the best Sig has used. The 229 can handle all the +P &+P+ you can afford. And the slide will not come apart or spread like a 228 Carbon welded slide can and has. The Navy passed on the welded slides for all the above reasons. Buy the newer 229 made in the good old USA where we pride are American workers. You will find alot of people who have older Sigs will tell you there the best as you will find a lot of people who will say American Sigs are the best for serious defence. If you had a old Ford Model T would you feel it was good as a new Ford Mustang GT?

The older German Sigs ARE better than the Sigs that are made today.
Period!!

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fowler
02-18-2012, 10:33
The Navy Seals use the one piece stainless slides on there 226,s for the same reasons they are more durable,robust and rust proof than the inferior carbon welded slides of old Sigs. If you want the better Sig get the one piece stainless Nitron coated of the Newer ones. The welded were not strong enough for the +P,+P+ 9mm,40 sw,357sig rds. The one piece stainless slides are on all the Homeland Security,Secret Service and Seals ,L.E. Sigs. The Welded are obsolete.

fnfalman
02-18-2012, 10:37
The Navy Seals use the one piece stainless slides on there 226,s for the same reasons they are more durable,robust and rust proff than the inferior carbon welded slides of old Sigs. If you want the better Sig get the one piece stainless Nitron coated of the Newer ones. The welded were not strong enough for the +P,+P+ 9mm,40 sw,357sig rds. The one piece stainless slides are on all the Homeland Security,Secret Service and Seals ,L.E. Sigs. The Welded are obsolete.

Am I a Navy SEAL? Are you a Navy SEAL?

Also, the Navy SEAL had used the old P226s for years before the stainless steel models come out.

2-8 Marine
02-18-2012, 11:00
Nothing wrong with the 229 but I'll keep my (German) 228 anyday. Not one ftf or fte in 13 years. It still looks and runs like brand new. A little care goes a long way with a great weapon.

NH Trucker
02-18-2012, 11:07
Nothing wrong with the 229 but I'll keep my (German) 228 anyday. Not one ftf or fte in 13 years. It still looks and runs like brand new. A little care goes a long way with a great weapon.


+1

This past summer I bought a P228 that was made in W. Germany in 1991 for my girlfriend. After putting a few hundred rounds through it, it's a damn fine weapon and I'm now looking for another one for myself.

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fowler
02-18-2012, 11:33
Yes the Navy dumped the old non-railed in the early 2000,s. Sig sold off early ones on the commercial market about 2002 that was left over. You can get a new Mark 25 thats the new service pistol. I had a 228 and a German 220,but upgraded to the newer models for better service. The older German welded pitsols gave Sig a bad name with rust problem and spreading slide failures. The new Sigs have corrected all the short commings of the older models.Thank goodness.

2-8 Marine
02-18-2012, 12:10
+1

This past summer I bought a P228 that was made in W. Germany in 1991 for my girlfriend. After putting a few hundred rounds through it, it's a damn fine weapon and I'm now looking for another one for myself.

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Not the prettiest blueing but a great gun none the less. :thumbsup:

2-8 Marine
02-18-2012, 12:14
Yes the Navy dumped the old non-railed in the early 2000,s. Sig sold off early ones on the commercial market about 2002 that was left over. You can get a new Mark 25 thats the new service pistol. I had a 228 and a German 220,but upgraded to the newer models for better service. The older German welded pitsols gave Sig a bad name with rust problem and spreading slide failures. The new Sigs have corrected all the short commings of the older models.Thank goodness.

That Sir is pure drivil! Is that simply your opinion or are you just parroting some one elses?

cowboy1964
02-18-2012, 12:31
The older German Sigs ARE better than the Sigs that are made today.
Period!!


I've never owned a German Sig but honestly I can't imagine how my U.S. made 229 could have been any better. Was the most solid, reliable, ergonomic piece I've ever owned. Decided to get rid of it only because of the SRT and the weight.

G26S239
02-18-2012, 12:47
I like both my 229s, the 9mm and the 40/357. I never did like having a two piece slide on my P220 or P245 though both were reliable and accurate. I prefer milled slide Sigs and all 5 of my Sigs have solid slides. The 229 is accurate and reliable and soft shooting even with 127 +P+.

March817
02-18-2012, 13:14
The P229 can be had with a rail, for serious professional mall duty ops.

fnfalman
02-18-2012, 16:19
The P229 can be had with a rail, for serious professional mall duty ops.

The current P228 also comes with rail for ninja ops.

BlackPaladin
02-18-2012, 19:00
I would buy an older non railed P228 if I could find one at a reasonable price. I did own a new P229 9mm, which I sold later on. The German Sigs are where it's at, the new stuff went downhill (more flash than performance), taking Sig's reputation with it.

fowler
02-18-2012, 19:43
Older German Sigs can have feeding problems with HP ammo. At local gunshops the new Sigs sell like hot cakes and at the $700-1100.00 prices they sell quick . The last Navy 226 I got is a fine shooter and feeds anything 100%. And you got nite -sites and 3 magazines with it for $869.00. Very well made and one of Sigs best service auto,s. They sold out fast.

fowler
02-18-2012, 19:51
The older welded carbon German are being phased out of service . In current service is the one piece stainless slides. But you still may get a worn weak surplus German Sig that was out of service and sold as surplus Obsolete or scraped out. But it would not be in service with current special forces,L.E. Secret service ,homeland securty,Seals,U.S. Coastguard,British SAS Commando,s. I have seen older p-6,s,but beware they don,t feed hollow points good and can,t handle +p or +P+ and are single line low capacity magazines that were put out of service in Europe as being Obsolete. Buy a New Sig -Sauer if you want to use it for serious a defence automatic.

USMC03Grunt
02-18-2012, 23:37
Uh, have you ever heard of the M11? It's the military designation of the P228. OSI still uses them as well as a couple special operations units I trained and they are 99.5% identical (the .5 percent is for the different stampings on them) as the P228. NONE of the M11s in inventory have any sort of a milled slide. They are still the same stamped slide and steel slide block the P228 has. I don't know where you get your information from but mine if first hand. There is no problem with the P228. As far as the buy American thing, sorry but I have no problem paying my money to foreign companies when American companies are stuffed to the gills with bloated union workers.

fnfalman
02-19-2012, 02:02
Uh, have you ever heard of the M11? It's the military designation of the P228. OSI still uses them as well as a couple special operations units I trained and they are 99.5% identical (the .5 percent is for the different stampings on them) as the P228. NONE of the M11s in inventory have any sort of a milled slide. They are still the same stamped slide and steel slide block the P228 has. I don't know where you get your information from but mine if first hand. There is no problem with the P228. As far as the buy American thing, sorry but I have no problem paying my money to foreign companies when American companies are stuffed to the gills with bloated union workers.

Shhh...that's a secret. :rofl:

glockpeter
02-19-2012, 06:02
http://i39.tinypic.com/i24n5k.jpg

my pi two two eight made in west germany 1989 forever

:wavey:

fowler
02-19-2012, 06:34
Yes correct older 228,s are being phased out of T.E. its no secret. There not bad pistols under normal use and make good collecter items. But we will never see the old US M11 ones on the surplus market.

fnfalman
02-19-2012, 10:01
Yes correct older 228,s are being phased out of T.E. its no secret. There not bad pistols under normal use and make good collecter items. But we will never see the old US M11 ones on the surplus market.

There's enough newer ones running around with rail for the tactically inclined.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/936081942/Guns/Pistols/Sig-Sauer-Sigarms-Pistols/P228/SIG_228R_9mm.htm

fowler
02-19-2012, 10:51
Those Swiss trade in,s are fine 228,s. I got one from Wideners in N.C. and they had the P6,s to. They are fine 9mm pistols and I don,t intend to degrade them or how they were made. They still can serve fine. There should many surplus comming in over the next few years we hope. They offer a Sig for near half the price and this doe,s not mean they are half the gun ,just older surplus. Look what happened to the Canadian Iglis Highpowers they were destroyed. The surplus Sigs offer a good name brand pistol at half the cost of a new one. Here we can get a housegun,ccw,truckgun that is used and be a fine user automatic not a safe queen.