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Veedubklown
02-17-2012, 05:06
I've done a brief ammount of searching for anything about this 1911 on GT, but maybe my GTsearch-FU is weak.

Anyway, I've been looking heavy at one of these as of recently, looking for a new pistol for IDPA and other sports. I'm really liking the 9mm version;

http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/DBImages/bul-m5-Govt.gif

18 round capacity, double stack. I'm having trouble finding data on the width, but I'm relatively certain it'll fit in the 1 5/8" wide IDPA box.

What you guys think about em? Relatively cheap, used, and fits exactly what I've been looking for in a gaming gun. Don't really see a drawback to carrying it, either. Only really needs an ambi safety (lefty) and some night sights. I'm wondering if they use a proprietary sight notch, and how difficult it is to fit a safety.

Also, I've seen hinted that they'll work with the para 18-9 magazines. I'd really like to know if someone can confirm. I'm surprised Bac hasn't shown up yet!

ETA: Here's mine!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-05-14_16-58-08_271.jpg

crazymoose
02-17-2012, 12:00
I have one ordered that should be arriving in the next week or two. It's the full-sized 9mm version.

My understanding is that they will not use Para mags without modification. You either have to modify the mag or mag catch (can't remember which), or order a replacement mag catch from Rescomp in South Africa. I tried emailing Rescomp, but couldn't get through. However, I assume that they're still in business, as people are selling their belts and holsters all over the place. I'll put a post up here when mine comes in and I get a chance to look it over. The seller claims the grip safety function was questionable, so this may turn into a bit of a project. Not that I mind that.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 12:18
They aren't my style, but I've heard some good things about them.

Veedubklown
02-17-2012, 14:30
Same here, 9mm goverment size.

Just bought it today, still gotta do all the FFL stuff, send payment yada yada.

I'm excited :wow:

Veedubklown
02-29-2012, 18:17
Comin tomorrow, so jazzed =D

Lew-G17
02-29-2012, 19:28
I currently own a 9mm commander version of the M5. I have also owned a government model in 45acp. Both are excellent pistols. I have also heard the P18-9 mags will work, but new Bul Transmark mags are available from All American Sales in Piggot AR.

I will measur the width in a few minutes and post it here.

The grip is about the same size as a Glock in my opinion.

Veedubklown
02-29-2012, 20:10
I currently own a 9mm commander version of the M5. I have also owned a government model in 45acp. Both are excellent pistols. I have also heard the P18-9 mags will work, but new Bul Transmark mags are available from All American Sales in Piggot AR.

I will measure the width in a few minutes and post it here.

The grip is about the same size as a Glock in my opinion.

Can ya throw up some pictures of your 9mm mags, so I know what to hunt for? Doesn't look like these guys have a web site, I'll give em a call if I can't find anything local.

Lew-G17
03-01-2012, 03:52
The widest part on the pistol is at the base of the grip where there is a slight magwell flare. The width is 1.382" on my pistol.

On the mags, you will have to call them. Unless you find para mags, you probably will not have any luck locally.

If I remember correctly the mags are $35.00 each shipped. Mine work perfectly. I sent a check and received the mags very quickly in the mail.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/Lew-G17/IMG_0451.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/Lew-G17/IMG_0452.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/Lew-G17/IMG_0453.jpg

Veedubklown
03-01-2012, 15:23
The widest part on the pistol is at the base of the grip where there is a slight magwell flare. The width is 1.382" on my pistol.

On the mags, you will have to call them. Unless you find para mags, you probably will not have any luck locally.

If I remember correctly the mags are $35.00 each shipped. Mine work perfectly. I sent a check and received the mags very quickly in the mail.


Wonder if I can get that in a flush fit base, or change em :dunno:

Thanks for the pix!

Lew-G17
03-01-2012, 15:34
The base plates are removable. They are also fairly thick, so you may be able to file them down to be thinner.

crazymoose
03-02-2012, 09:50
What's your experience been like with wear on the plastic mag catch from the metal mag bodies? I'm about to pick up my M-5, and I'm debating whether to order some Bul mags or order the mag catch to let me use Para mags.

Lew-G17
03-02-2012, 10:19
What's your experience been like with wear on the plastic mag catch from the metal mag bodies? I'm about to pick up my M-5, and I'm debating whether to order some Bul mags or order the mag catch to let me use Para mags.

I have never had any problems with M5 factory mags or mag catch. My first M5 was a 45acp and I shot several matches with it.

What mag catch do you have to order to use Para mags?

I have a friend with an M5 and he is having trouble getting the Para mags to work. He is going to use mine for a match this weekend.

crazymoose
03-02-2012, 14:30
I've been told you either have to enlarge the top of the slot on the mags by 1.3mm, or order the replacement mag catch from Rescomp in South Africa. I'm not certain whether or not they still sell it; I tried emailing them, and got a failure to deliver email. It is, however, still on their web page, and I know they're still in the gun belt and holster business, at least.

FLA45fan
03-02-2012, 14:57
looks like an old Kimber polymer 1911 I had years ago in stainless - accurate but I had feeding problems. As I recall they may have been built in Isreal - but then again it's been a while

crazymoose
03-02-2012, 17:34
looks like an old Kimber polymer 1911 I had years ago in stainless - accurate but I had feeding problems. As I recall they may have been built in Isreal - but then again it's been a while

Same gun. The Kimber mags work with no issues. The Wilson KZ series is essentially also the same gun, although I believe they use a redesigned mag catch and proprietary mag.

Veedubklown
03-03-2012, 01:22
Anyone have one with an ambi thumb safety installed? I want to see how they notched the frame for the right side.

crazymoose
03-03-2012, 04:25
Anyone have one with an ambi thumb safety installed? I want to see how they notched the frame for the right side.

Haven't picked mine up yet, here's an image from Google:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/young-kiwi/pistolinholster.jpg

Veedubklown
03-03-2012, 13:42
Yeah I've seen the pics online, but that doesn't really show a channel or anything, just a divot where it looks like it would pull off. That divot isn't actually for the safety anyway, it's for a pin behind it, sear pin maybe? I'm wondering how they hold their right side safety on.

Since mine came in, might as well get some pics up.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/2012-03-01_19-17-56_574.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-03-01_19-20-19_447.jpg

asiparks
03-05-2012, 11:56
I had a BUL 5 in 45, loved it. I've never seen one with a GI style slide or thumb safety before. As far as the sights, how is the font sight attached ? Is it part of the slide or is it dovetailed from the front ?

Veedubklown
03-05-2012, 14:55
It's staked on, I believe like the GI's were. The slide, asside from being 9mm, is all GI, as far as I can tell. It's my first 1911, and I don't have a true GI to compare to, but I've done a bit of comparing online.

It's gonna be fun to change, some day. For now, it's staying stock, til I get the frame work done.

ETA: I ordered some mags. They were $32 each, for 17 round blued. $2.50 shipping. Very reasonable.

Veedubklown
03-16-2012, 21:00
Finally got my mags in! Off to the range tomorrow. Rounds were nose-diving at first. Cleaned up the inside of the mags, gotta give em a shot of dry lube. Also my extractor seemed a bit tight. Rounds were difficult to slide under. Now they go under easily, and I can hand-cycle through both mags. Seems ready for the range!

Looks rather silly. The magazines stick out about 1/4 too far, exposing the mag body between the grip and the floor plate.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-03-16_18-25-57_943.jpg

When I'm sure I have a well working pistol that's reliable, then I'll start messing with it. I want to reshape and stipple the frame, blend the controls, put an ambi safety on, and probably fit a barrel bushing once I'm feeling adventurous.

Took it out into the desert and tested minute of coke can accuracy at about 30 feet. Left the pistol relatively dry, and the only hangups I receieved were out of 1 mag, some nose-dives. Re-racked the slide and they went home. These mags just need some time to work in, after working with 1 last night it was the one that worked perfectly today. Shot about 60 rounds through it, with just that 1 mag hanging up. Time to make it my own.

Picked up a wilson ambi safety from the LGS. Wanted to touch it now!

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/l_965602045_1.jpg

Maybe I'll make a new thread on work to this gun.

Veedubklown
03-24-2012, 19:32
I'll just use this thread:supergrin:

Come to find out, it wasn't that reliable. I got alot of nose-diving, and 3 point jams.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-03-16_18-27-21_100.jpg

Then I did some reading, some careful studying, and came up with this;

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-03-24_17-45-40_882.jpg

Mixed magazines with hollow-points and ball ammo, and can't tell the difference. It eats em all, hand cycling. At the range, it performed much better. Having issues with it locking back, but once I got through the first mag of ammo I was testing the hand feeding with, it was fine. More tinkering, more testing. Pulling the trigger is fun. The day after I bought the wilson safety, I realized I could fit a kimber safety, without cutting the frame. That'll be in monday.

Veedubklown
03-26-2012, 20:33
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-03-31_17-01-52_658.jpg
And there it is. Been fitting the beaver tail safety, safety, and frame/slide. Finish is rough, but fit is good. It's almost ready for a stipple.

I can live with a fit like this :whistling:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-03-27_20-51-38_888.jpg

Veedubklown
04-10-2012, 18:46
Finally found a plastic filler that matches this plastic, perfectly. All the places I ground the plastic down, and found stainless steel frame under, can be patched up. Why not do some extra work on it, before I stipple?

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-04-10_17-32-36_288.jpg

Hi-cut the trigger guard some more, added finger grooves and a rest, and re-profiled the trigger guard. Gonna look sweet when I'm done with the stipple!

Getting closer;
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-04-10_18-26-33_52.jpg

Veedubklown
04-13-2012, 03:32
Another update
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-04-13_01-14-35_206.jpg

And with stipple complete;

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-04-13_21-29-28_0.jpg

Veedubklown
05-14-2012, 18:29
I ordered 3 more magazines from All American Sales, and he sent me 3 with the floor-plates like the ones shown above. Love em! The magazines are the same capacity, but these fit flush with my frame, the way it should be. Fantastic!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-05-14_16-58-08_271.jpg

Veedubklown
12-01-2012, 14:03
At a local IDPA shoot today, and one of my club members, who I've known and shot with for a while tells me, "I'm switching to 45, you wanna try out these 9mm SWCs?" Sure, so I try some out, they punch nice clean holes, and run well in my gun. Inspect the empty casings, and see a little bit of swelling around the case mouth. (Shoulda heeded that :rolleyes:) Not seeing any swelling that looked excessive, or was stretching the brass to extremes, from what I thought, I shot away. Until...

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/69FA858D-B6D6-4FBD-8B19-E2C70706E4A3-15932-00000B78CED894DE.jpg

Which, scared me a bit. Felt a pop in my hand, and it shot my magazine out. Opened my hands to see that my backstrap looked like this;

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/E1DE6FF5-7D29-46A5-B61F-572C691762F5-15932-00000B78D8CF27D9.jpg

It split straight down the inside of my mag well, and across the top of my trigger rail on the side. The frame is all polymer, and I have some plastic weld left that I used to do the grip in the first place. I'm going to try chucking that ammo, and welding this frame back together, though. A lesson learned in reading casings!

javelinadave
12-01-2012, 21:37
There are a bunch of m-5's listed on Gunbroker in 9mm for $319 and one in 45 ACP for $419.

Veedubklown
12-01-2012, 23:05
That's nuts, there is a poop-ton of em! Actually pretty awesome.

I did get mine welded back together. Soon as I re-stipple it, I'll post new pictures.