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JBaird22
02-17-2012, 13:41
So I have an idea of what the answer this question is but I want to see if maybe I am missing something.

In Washington only LEO's can possess or transport SBR's according to RCW. If you can't get one transferred to an individual LEO, and you can't build one as an individual LEO, is the law pretty much saying only agency guns are allowed? I have heard of guys buying NFA uppers through their agencies and slapping them on their unregistered lowers which I would think would violate the NFA by building a rifle into a NFA gun and then being in possession of an unregistered gun.

Am I missing something? The only reason I ask is I was considering doing a form 1 on a lower I have and building a SBR but I will be moving to WA later this year hopefully and don't want to have to transfer my SBR to someone else. And because it matters, I am a LEO.

Boxerglocker
02-17-2012, 14:02
I can't be one hundred percent certain.... but to my understanding you are correct. I've talked to a couple of LEO guys shooting department owned SBR's at several matches and asked similar questions... The answer I got was SBR's belong to the agency, LEO's may process and transport while under employment with said agencies.
I would suggest giving the guys at Rainier Arms a call... they constantly are dealing with local LEO's and have better understanding of the laws here in WA.

WoodenPlank
02-17-2012, 14:08
So I have an idea of what the answer this question is but I want to see if maybe I am missing something.

In Washington only LEO's can possess or transport SBR's according to RCW. If you can't get one transferred to an individual LEO, and you can't build one as an individual LEO, is the law pretty much saying only agency guns are allowed? I have heard of guys buying NFA uppers through their agencies and slapping them on their unregistered lowers which I would think would violate the NFA by building a rifle into a NFA gun and then being in possession of an unregistered gun.

Am I missing something? The only reason I ask is I was considering doing a form 1 on a lower I have and building a SBR but I will be moving to WA later this year hopefully and don't want to have to transfer my SBR to someone else. And because it matters, I am a LEO.

The bold portion is correct, it will absolutely violate the NFA, and is a good way to go to federal prison for 10 years.

TunaFisherman
02-17-2012, 22:33
SBRs here in Wa belong to the Dept that you work for. There is a bill now to change the law for NFA SBR to be owned by a person or a non profit trust, rumor is summer 2013 it will be legal.
You can also have them if you are a( class 3? FFL ) holder, not own, but handle for local depts....

Boxerglocker
02-17-2012, 22:36
SBRs here in Wa belong to the Dept that you work for. There is a bill now to change the law for NFA SBR to be owned by a person or a non profit trust, rumor is summer 2013 it will be legal.

Do you know what bill number that is?

TunaFisherman
02-17-2012, 22:41
Do you know what bill number that is?
Not at the moment. I believe its Blake that is sponsering it. Same group of Reps that got suppressors legal to use and not just own.

TunaFisherman
02-17-2012, 22:43
Maybe info is here.. HB 2099

2099 (SBS and SBR) http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2099&year=2011 and 2098 (SBR’s only) http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2098&year=2011

Here are bill SBS bill sponsors;
Representatives Blake, Kretz, Hurst, Liias, Orcutt, Dunshee, Taylor, Van De Wege, Shea, Kirby, Short, Takko, Moscoso, Tharinger, Finn, Seaquist, Schmick, Sells, Ahern, Condotta, McCoy, Hope, Moeller, Goodman, McCune

Find your Rep here; http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx Here are the Representatives pages; http://www.leg.wa.gov/house/Pages/default.aspx

TunaFisherman
02-17-2012, 22:45
Brian Blake has been VERY pro gun and hunting.

Here is the Bill. Note (2) it states that IF federal law allows it , then its legal to own.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2099.pdf

r2kba
02-19-2012, 01:58
Correct as stated before. Police Officers and their agencies are NOT exempt from the NFA statutes, and NFA regulations. They are required to have form's also on their rifles, ALL of them, that are NFA devices. It's just a faster process for the agency's and no tax.

Individual owned, they have to do the same Tax,prints,photos and wait time as everyone else.

I would not to an Form1, knowing you are moving somewhere you wont have the legal ability to retain it. But, if you did, you could simply put a full length upper back on it, and it's no longer an NFA device. Also send a letter to NFA branch, telling them its been changed back PERMANENTLY to a 16"+ bbl length, and 26"+ Overall length rifle.

JBaird22
02-19-2012, 16:22
This is what I believed. I guess I will just wait and see if the law passes to allow SBR's. If so I'll be right there doing it. Thanks for everyone who replied that confirmed my suspicions. I've been an 01FFL for the last year and have a good grasp of the majority of the laws so I was just wondering if I was missing something.

PlasticGuy
02-20-2012, 09:25
As stated, your LEO status means nothing for SBR ownership, although your department may allow you to bring a department owned SBR home. What you may want to consider is keeping your FFL, and adding an SOT. As a class 3 dealer you can posess anything. You could get a demo letter from your department, and buy a select fire rifle with a short barrel. More expensive, but an even better result.

Boxerglocker
02-21-2012, 11:04
As stated, your LEO status means nothing for SBR ownership, although your department may allow you to bring a department owned SBR home. What you may want to consider is keeping your FFL, and adding an SOT. As a class 3 dealer you can posess anything. You could get a demo letter from your department, and buy a select fire rifle with a short barrel. More expensive, but an even better result.

Don't you have to actually have a store front business in order to be a Class III FFL?

Boxerglocker
02-21-2012, 11:05
Maybe info is here.. HB 2099

2099 (SBS and SBR) http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2099&year=2011 and 2098 (SBR’s only) http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2098&year=2011

Here are bill SBS bill sponsors;
Representatives Blake, Kretz, Hurst, Liias, Orcutt, Dunshee, Taylor, Van De Wege, Shea, Kirby, Short, Takko, Moscoso, Tharinger, Finn, Seaquist, Schmick, Sells, Ahern, Condotta, McCoy, Hope, Moeller, Goodman, McCune

Find your Rep here; http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx Here are the Representatives pages; http://www.leg.wa.gov/house/Pages/default.aspx
Thanks for this info... I'll be watching this closely and sending a letter of support as well as spreading the word for others to do the same.

PlasticGuy
02-23-2012, 16:40
Don't you have to actually have a store front business in order to be a Class III FFL?
The short answer is "no", you don't necessarily need a store front to have an ffl. He already has an ffl anyway though. He would just need to add his SOT.

JBaird22
02-25-2012, 20:29
The statement of having to have a storefront to have an 03 is incorrect. The ATF grants the 03, the treasury department grants the SOT. As log as you qualify for a ffl (being in a firearms business) you qualify for it. The ATF could really care less. They're more so concerned with you following the rules.

I'm currently in Missouri and am trying to move back to WA. I have my fingers crossed this legislation gets through. I don't think I will be getting another FFL in wa as the pistol dealers license fee is just retarded at $300 a year.

Thanks though for the replies.


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