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3000fps
02-17-2012, 15:29
http://youtu.be/HfJj90eNIfE

Maine
02-17-2012, 15:34
Cool shirt. I especially like the wings.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 15:54
Cool shirt. I especially like the wings.

:rofl:

cowboywannabe
02-17-2012, 15:58
hum, bald man speakum much truth. no forked tongue like other pale faces.

Foxtrotx1
02-17-2012, 16:01
Cool opinion bra.

Goldendog Redux
02-17-2012, 16:14
Interestingly the brand of gun I have seen lock up/break to the point of uselessness during my training experiences has always been Glock (usually a model 21). I have never seen a 1911 go completely belly up. I watched a bad reload blow up in a Kimber. After taking it apart and inspecting it, we put it back together and it still runs fine. Of course I do not have the hours on the range Yaeger does.

I also would not introduce a novice shooter-most shooters are just north of novice IMHO-to pistols with a 1911. I'd give them a Glock 19.

MF

seanmac45
02-17-2012, 16:19
A rambling, inaccurate, poorly constructed diatribe.


Very convincing.

Roy D. Mercer
02-17-2012, 16:20
I think he has a problem with his right shoulder.

bmoore
02-17-2012, 16:25
Tank Abbot? Just kidding, he has some good points I guess? He needs to put on a polo shirt and shave that stupid goatee if he wants to look a little more profesional though.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 16:27
He needs to put on a polo shirt and shave that stupid goatee if he wants to look a little more profesional though.

:agree:

JimBianchi
02-17-2012, 16:32
Opinions are like axxholes.

Everyone's got one and they all stink.

Bob Hafler
02-17-2012, 16:33
Like he said it's all horse SH**. Someone want to hand him a shovel cause it's getting deep.:rofl:

Rumbler_G20
02-17-2012, 16:34
I've been a 1911 owner and one of it's strongest proponents for well over 3 decades.


I agree with him 100%.

Modern mass produced 1911's are for the most part garbage.:dunno:

Dalton Wayne
02-17-2012, 16:40
Haters gonna hate :rofl:

bac1023
02-17-2012, 16:40
I agree with him 100%.

Modern mass produced 1911's are for the most part garbage.:dunno:

Maybe you could say that 10 years ago.

They have gotten better.

faawrenchbndr
02-17-2012, 16:40
Glocks SUCK!

bmoore
02-17-2012, 16:42
Glocks SUCK!

Literally Lol.

bmoore
02-17-2012, 16:44
Nothing bugs me more than the forever 21 crowd. Mid 40's and still dressing like your cool. Get a hold of yourself, its ok to get older.

faawrenchbndr
02-17-2012, 16:46
And this crap coming from an "instructor" who's best known
for "freeze, then run & hide"..........what a waste of human tissue!

:faint:

bac1023
02-17-2012, 16:47
Nothing bugs me more than the forever 21 crowd. Mid 40's and still dressing like your cool. Get a hold of yourself, its ok to get older.

Yeah, people might actually take him seriously if he dressed properly and cleaned up a bit.

3000fps
02-17-2012, 16:51
Well, I just figured I'd share the video. I didn't want to interject my opinion in the original post to see what the general opinion was.

Besides the fact that you do not like his choice of facial hair or t-shirt, what has he said that is incorrect?

bac1023
02-17-2012, 16:54
Besides the fact that you do not like his choice of facial hair or t-shirt, what has he said that is incorrect?

Nothing is incorrect, its just his opinion.

I don't happen to agree with any of it, but that's my opinion.

My 1911s work great and always have.

JLA
02-17-2012, 16:57
I think he has a problem with his right shoulder.



:rofl::rofl::rofl: Too funny for some reason

Fox
02-17-2012, 16:59
Tank Abbot? Just kidding, he has some good points I guess? He needs to put on a polo shirt and shave that stupid goatee if he wants to look a little more profesional though.

Polo shirts are for preppies, yuppies, and nerds.

jrs93accord
02-17-2012, 16:59
Like he said, he is entitled to his opinion. I will agree that some of what he says is true and a lot of it is, again, his opinion. I am a multiple Glock owner (10) and a multiple 1911 owner (81). Glock are very industrial and are designed to take a lot of abuse. They have had an excellent track record for 25 years. The 1911 has only been around for almost 101 years. Each has its Pros and Cons. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. He made a statement that Glocks rarely malfunction and 1911s rarely work. That may be true in some cases, but to make that statement in a general context, is utter idiocracy. Even considering his creditials, he is extremely biased and narrow-minded. That is my opinion.

Fox
02-17-2012, 17:00
Nothing bugs me more than the forever 21 crowd. Mid 40's and still dressing like your cool. Get a hold of yourself, its ok to get older.

You got a point. The shirt is too young for him.

cowboywannabe
02-17-2012, 17:03
his staements were based on what he has seen students whom supply thier own guns do.

Houdini
02-17-2012, 17:05
they have only been around foe 101 years they must be somthing right.

Fox
02-17-2012, 17:09
I've been a 1911 owner and one of it's strongest proponents for well over 3 decades.


I agree with him 100%.

Modern mass produced 1911's are for the most part garbage.:dunno:

The 1911's were mass produced for two world wars, but there was still alot of hand fitting. Labor costs were cheaper then, not now.

The 1911 pistol can be mass produced now as it was back in the day, but the cost would be as high as many custom guns due to labor costs.

12131
02-17-2012, 17:11
And this crap coming from an "instructor" who's best known
for "freeze, then run & hide"..........what a waste of human tissue!

:faint:
Exactly!

427
02-17-2012, 17:14
Who cares how the presenter looks. All that should matter is if his/her message is relevant or not.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 17:16
Polo shirts are for preppies, yuppies, and nerds.

:upeyes: Sounds great

He doesn't need a polo, but he could stand to look a bit more professional for someone of his experience.

Being a professional, I wear polos often and certainly anytime I attend a business casual function. I don't consider myself in any of the groups you mentioned.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 17:18
Who cares how the presenter looks. All that should matter is if his/her message is relevant or not.

Actually, like it or not, it does matter if he wants a large audience to take him seriously.

That's just the way it is. :dunno:

427
02-17-2012, 17:26
Actually, like it or not, it does matter if he wants a large audience to take him seriously.

That's just the way it is. :dunno:

I get what you're saying, but I try not to let appearances cloud the message. There are some odd looking people, but they have great ideas.

Observation - Not too many people take Yeager seriously, regardless on how he's dressed.

azron
02-17-2012, 17:26
My flock of 1911's would disagree with him :)

c01
02-17-2012, 17:29
+1 Bac. Presenter needs to represent his target audience. If he wants to be taken seriously.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 17:31
My flock of 1911's would disagree with him :)

Mine too :cool:

Andrewsky
02-17-2012, 17:32
He could've at least worn a nice suit jacket. Come on.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 17:33
+1 Bac. Presenter needs to represent his target audience. If he wants to be taken seriously.

Exactly.

I guess he thinks he's talking to a bunch of punks.

bac1023
02-17-2012, 17:33
Observation - Not too many people take Yeager seriously, regardless on how he's dressed.

Probably for good reason :whistling:

bmoore
02-17-2012, 17:38
Who cares how the presenter looks. All that should matter is if his/her message is relevant or not.

Did you even watch the video? At the end he says come and let me train you. Im not saying you need to dress nice to have sound tactics, but if you are trying to recruit business for your company...............button it up. Great example is the gentlemen from Trident Concepts, Jeff Gonzalez if I remember correctly. No need for suit and tie but he wears a collard shirt and speaks like an adult.

Tim151515
02-17-2012, 17:50
I am not a 1911 guy, nor am I a Glock guy, but I own both and really like both. However, this video was eye opening. I mean, I have a mass production Remington 1911R1 that I like to plink with, and even carry from time to time, that was not built by hand. I didn't even realize that it didn't work until I watched this guys video.. So I guess the one double feed I had with it, that was in the first(50) box of ammo was the only truthful round...and the other 699 that I have fired from it have all been flukes...huh..Who wudda known? Or maybe that means it is some kind of special edition..since apparently a production 1911 that works is so rare..

faawrenchbndr
02-17-2012, 17:52
Actually, like it or not, it does matter if he wants a large audience to take him seriously.

That's just the way it is. :dunno:


It's James Yaegar,......I'll never take a COWARD who freezes
up in the line of fire, then leaves his Comrades, seriously.

He's a pathetic excuse, a worthless SME, who only knows how to run.

427
02-17-2012, 18:02
Did you even watch the video? At the end he says come and let me train you. Im not saying you need to dress nice to have sound tactics, but if you are trying to recruit business for your company...............button it up. Great example is the gentlemen from Trident Concepts, Jeff Gonzalez if I remember correctly. No need for suit and tie but he wears a collard shirt and speaks like an adult.

Was this a professional video? What audience was he appealing to?

Maybe, I'm looking at it from a totally wrong view. I mean, I'm just seeing a dude giving an opinion, then pitching his company. It seems pretty informal, to me.

Edit; I don't agree with his opinion.

The Pirate
02-17-2012, 18:02
I have not had as many 1911's as some of you guys, but I have only had 1 bad one (Para). It won't suprise me if I get ahold of a bad glock someday either. The guy didn't tell a lie through the whole thing I don't guess, but I would find it hard to agree with him. I must admit though on paper, most high cap plastic guns are better. They hold more rounds, have less parts, and shoot straight.

Andrewsky
02-17-2012, 18:21
Did you even watch the video? At the end he says come and let me train you. Im not saying you need to dress nice to have sound tactics, but if you are trying to recruit business for your company...............button it up. Great example is the gentlemen from Trident Concepts, Jeff Gonzalez if I remember correctly. No need for suit and tie but he wears a collard shirt and speaks like an adult.

90% of the advanced firearms training is just a scam anyway. It's all point and click. Most of the students would be better off buying a treadmill.

hallnh727
02-17-2012, 18:23
You guys must not know who one of James Yeager's 15000 students is

Tactical Response Fighting Pistol - YouTube

High Altitude
02-17-2012, 18:29
Most of the students would be better off buying a treadmill.

This is the truth.

Metal Angel
02-17-2012, 18:29
I can't imagine using a 100 year old design in modern combat. 1911s are awesome for many reasons, but not for combat IMO. A glock 21 is roughly the same size and carries almost twice as many rounds, it's just as accurate, and works in extreme conditions. This guy is a tool and cannot get his point across with any clarity, but I think I agree with his intended idea... I still want a 1911.

bmoore
02-17-2012, 18:35
Was this a professional video? What audience was he appealing to?

Maybe, I'm looking at it from a totally wrong view. I mean, I'm just seeing a dude giving an opinion, then pitching his company. It seems pretty informal, to me.

Edit; I don't agree with his opinion.

Audience= the world. Its on youtube right?

All I am saying bro is if your gonna plug your company and say come train with us, maybe think about how you look and talk. If you wanna dress like a 21 year old waiting in line for a Vegas club then that is totally within your right to do so.

ctfireman
02-17-2012, 18:37
All i'm gonna say is that i have NEVER had a malfunction of ANY KIND with any of my 1911's. And they are not safe queens!

bmoore
02-17-2012, 18:38
You guys must not know who one of James Yeager's 15000 students is

Tactical Response Fighting Pistol - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLN3XLyP2W4)

I thank you for posting that video. Confirms my suspicions.

Ruggles
02-17-2012, 18:43
1. If you are making a video which you state is going to be controversial and debated you might want dress a wee more professional that what your typical 24 year old wears to a friday night beer bash. Appearance does matter when speaking to strangers. And yeah he is too old to pull off that look......

2. What is the freezing and running referring too? Who is this guy and what is his history?

3. Hell I have 1911s he can take on his multi day course that he can keep if they fail him...... :)

That damn Glock kool aid is strong stuff.....

Oh and most 1911s come with flat MSH these days friend..... :)

Andrewsky
02-17-2012, 18:44
I can't imagine using a 100 year old design in modern combat. 1911s are awesome for many reasons, but not for combat IMO. A glock 21 is roughly the same size and carries almost twice as many rounds, it's just as accurate, and works in extreme conditions. This guy is a tool and cannot get his point across with any clarity, but I think I agree with his intended idea... I still want a 1911.

The original 1911 was awesome for combat. It was made with quality parts and proper clearances. Its sights are only too small if you bring it onto the internet.

High Altitude
02-17-2012, 19:00
I am not a 1911 guy so maybe some 1911 guys here can answer this.

Todd over at pistol training has taken several polymer pistols and put 50,000+ rounds through them with very little cleaning and the pistols perform great with like 10 or less malfunctions (FTF, FTE etc....)

The HK p30 test went 90,000+ rounds, Glock gen4 17 test went 55,000+ rounds and the M&P test went 62,000+ rounds

If you went down to your local gunshop and got a springfield, smith, colt etc... 1911, could it perform to the same level with only occasional cleaning?

fnfalman
02-17-2012, 19:04
I break out my G17 and G20SF whenever I wanted to cruise wid da homies.

Metal Angel
02-17-2012, 19:04
The original 1911 was awesome for combat. It was made with quality parts and proper clearances. Its sights are only too small if you bring it onto the internet.

I agree 100%! The original 1911 was awesome for combat when it was originally made. Even 25-45 years after it was originally made. We are now 100 years past it's design, and 100 years past the kind of combat it was designed to accommodate. I'm sure when it came out there were people saying "those silly new tactical autos, give me a single action revolver over one of those any day" just like now people cling to their 1911s over modern pistols. But I don't have a 1911, so you can discard anything I say as inexperienced. Also, I'm not saying me and my glock can outshoot you and your 1911, I'm just saying equipment to equipment, modern combat handguns have an unarguable advantage over 1911s.

Airborne Infantryman
02-17-2012, 19:15
So.....if he's been a firearms instructor for the last 15 years, I'd like to know what "combat" he's seen, besides *MAYBE* being involved in an Officer Involved Shooting when he was a cop. Moving on....

If your gonna post a video with your opinion, at least dress like the "professional" you claim you are, otherwise, your gonna come off as a straight up tool bag.

This is my opinion, and like an a-hole, everyone has one.

Before anyone claims a damn thing, I have both-

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7058/6844046023_4d0e8b55bb_b.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2796/4260510054_64d892273e_b.jpg

Nakanokalronin
02-17-2012, 19:18
Nothing is incorrect, its just his opinion.

I don't happen to agree with any of it, but that's my opinion.

My 1911s work great and always have.

+1

I don't have as many 1911s as you (but who does!) and my 12 examples run just as reliably as the 4 Glocks I bought and sold. :whistling: All 12 of mine must be worth a gazillion dollars since they're so rare! :wow:

High Altitude
02-17-2012, 19:19
I don't think he was ever in the military, only a contractor.

He is the driver of the foward car on the right. He jumps out right as the shooting starts.


James Yeager: Edinborough Risk Ambush - YouTube

So.....if he's been a firearms instructor for the last 15 years, I'd like to know what "combat" he's seen, besides *MAYBE* being involved in an Officer Involved Shooting when he was a cop. Moving on....

If your gonna post a video with your opinion, at least dress like the "professional" you claim you are, otherwise, your gonna come off as a straight up tool bag.

This is my opinion, and like an a-hole, everyone has one.

Airborne Infantryman
02-17-2012, 19:22
WTF! Where the hell did he run to? ****ing *****!

I've seen females that were part of our FET teams stand their ground while we were in a firefight, yet he just hauls ass and leaves his team?!?!! :steamed:

I don't think he was ever in the military, only a contractor.

He is the driver of the foward car on the right. He jumps out right as the shooting starts.


James Yeager: Edinborough Risk Ambush - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8alt5C-yc4)

20South
02-17-2012, 19:27
I can't imagine using a 100 year old design in modern combat. 1911s are awesome for many reasons, but not for combat IMO. A glock 21 is roughly the same size and carries almost twice as many rounds, it's just as accurate, and works in extreme conditions. This guy is a tool and cannot get his point across with any clarity, but I think I agree with his intended idea... I still want a 1911.

The 100 year old argument is faily weak. There are several weapons that are still in service after lives of 50+years(M60), and the communist bloc has the M2 which isn't much younger than the 1911. I am sure there are others. Bottom line for combat with a handgun is that if you are down to your last few shots because you've gone through your 200+ rounds of .223, then those extra 5 rounds in that G21 aren't likely to save you because those other guys are still throwing 7.62 your way. The guy in the video has some valid arguments, but his bias is overwhelming. My glocks, hk's, and 1911's all have a place in my safe, just like my pliers, wrenches, and vise grips have a place in my toolbox.

High Altitude
02-17-2012, 19:30
If you do a google search all the AAR are on-line.

WTF! Where the hell did he run to? ****ing *****!

I've seen females that were part of our FET teams stand their ground while we were in a firefight, yet he just hauls ass and leaves his team?!?!! :steamed:

Mrs. VR
02-17-2012, 19:31
Guys, please remember that videos must not have language that would be caught by the GT swear filter. Thanks