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sharpshooter
02-18-2012, 06:51
HK45 or Sig 220? I'm considering a new 45, not a Glock or 1911. Probably LEM on the HK because I don't like safties. Maybe the compact version of each, but probably full size. Anyone have input? I have several Sigs but I've never shot a HK.

bac1023
02-18-2012, 06:58
I'd go with the HK.

I'm not big on the new production Sigs.

11Bravo25thID
02-18-2012, 07:08
HK45 or HK45C

seanmac45
02-18-2012, 07:25
HK45 or HK45C running away with it. As Brian said SIG is not doing well.

collim1
02-18-2012, 07:46
I love my P220. Its a newer production made in 2010 and it has proved to be a very reliable gun after several thousand rounds.

jwhite75
02-18-2012, 07:49
The 220 is the better of those two guns.

That being said go for the HK45 not the USP

ballr4lyf
02-18-2012, 08:06
I loved my USP 45! That being said I've shot the 220 as well, and the trigger was definitely much better. YMV.

NEOH212
02-18-2012, 08:58
HK 45 all the way.

I will be honest, it's almost a toss up with these two. They are both really fantastic guns! I love the trigger on my Sig 220 combat. I will say though that I was really impressed with the trigger on my HK 45. It's the best trigger I have ever had on a factory HK. Although still not as good as a Sig trigger, it's pretty darn good. The Sigs are a robust gun by nature but the HK takes the cake here.

Go with the HK!


(Either way, your getting a great gun that will serve you for many years to come and best of all, you won't have to regret your purchase!)

:wavey:

Wyoming
02-18-2012, 10:26
H&K

I sold my SIG 220 but not because it was a bad gun. I'm left handed and when I tried to do serious fast shooting my middle finger would bump the magazine release just enough to drop the magazine down so the next round wouldn't feed! I was a problem that couldn't be fixed.

BTW, it is that frame size. I don't have that problem with my SIG 228, 226 or P6

matt_lowry123
02-18-2012, 11:07
I've had a sig 220. It was nice, but I kept the hk!!

Bodyarmorguy
02-18-2012, 12:01
Hard call.......I have owned at least 3 HK USP45C's over the years.....I want a HK45C, but I do own a current production Sig 220 Carry with the SRT trigger system in it and will find it hard to part with that pistol any time soon.

cowboy1964
02-18-2012, 12:27
I'm getting interested in a Sig P220 Carry SAO. It's heavier than I would like though. The HK45C is also at the top of my list.

Tough call. Comes down to metal vs polymer and trigger type, IMO.

Don't worry about the "Sig's are crap now" BS.

barth
02-18-2012, 13:11
HK45 or Sig 220? I'm considering a new 45, not a Glock or 1911. Probably LEM on the HK because I don't like safties. Maybe the compact version of each, but probably full size. Anyone have input? I have several Sigs but I've never shot a HK.

My strong advice is to rent/borrow a HK before you buy.
The only time I bought without shooting first was a HK USP 45 Compact.
Just holding it felt fine, so I spent $800+ on one.
Couldn't hit the side of a barn.
Hated it with a fiery passion.
Sold it as fast as I could.

HKs are fine guns, I just don't shoot them well.
Same with Beretta.
It's an ergonomics thingy.

I have seven handguns, three revolvers and four auto-loaders.
Shoot all of them very well.
Sig Sauer P220/45
Sig Sauer P239/357
Kahr MK40 Elite/40
Glock G27/40
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https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo16/e2/ea/2309f66b6a33__1326476079000.jpg
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo36/3b/c7/d35bf19ef4d6__1322778218000.jpg
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo26/b9/cf/63053aba28f9__1310174749000.jpeg
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HAMMERHEAD
02-18-2012, 14:32
Never shot the LEM version, but the HK45 is a fantastic gun.
Older P220's are nice, but the HK's are more reliable IME.

deeHKman
02-18-2012, 18:09
I have a couple HK45c's. The 220 is or was carried by the City Of Greenville, SC police. They were trying last summer to get rid of them. Too many problem's to keep them running!! The County ~500 Officer's carry a Glock 21sf. I know several and no problem's with reliability and they like more capacity over the Sig.

HK over any newer Sig anyday...Mine are all TDA's but i hear the light LEM is a great trigger system...

collim1
02-18-2012, 18:19
I have a couple HK45c's. The 220 is or was carried by the City Of Greenville, SC police. They were trying last summer to get rid of them. Too many problem's to keep them running!! The County ~500 Officer's carry a Glock 21sf. I know several and no problem's with reliability and they like more capacity over the Sig.

HK over any newer Sig anyday...Mine are all TDA's but i hear the light LEM is a great trigger system...

I have seen firsthand how LEO's can abuse a gun. My agency issues P226s and some of the guys I work with dont grasp basic maintenance. Its not just guns either, the same guys with rusty, under lubed Sigs, have rusty handcuffs and unpolished boots.

I am a Sig fan and have no problem properly maintaining my weapon, but the longer I work in LE the more I believe than individual officers should choose their own weapons.

Most guys who wont take proper care of a gun will choose a glock or some similar low maintenance weapon.

If given the choice my #1 duty gun would be my Sig P220.

Also, Glocks can take a little more abuse, but I have seen some seriously neglected Glocks in LE holsters.

At the academy I saw more problems with Glocks than any other guns. The main response was, "they told me Glocks dont need to be cleaned". Rookies with no experience were handed a Glock that hadn't had the chamber scrubbed or rails lubed in years, and didn't understand why it jammed at the quals.

The Retired Sarge
02-18-2012, 19:11
I own 13 SIG Sauer pistols, including two 220s and love them. They are fine weapons. But I recommend getting the HK with no second thoughts. No Compromise. Bill

austinguy23
02-19-2012, 01:31
Hk45c

travDMH
02-19-2012, 02:37
I own a P220R and an HK45c. I EDC the HK45c the 220 is for HD. It'd be tough if I had to choose one. I'd say my 220 handles the recoil noticeably better but the HK is lighter and easier for me to carry. At the end of the day I wouldn't trade my HK45c for anything

Swamprattler
02-19-2012, 04:38
I have had both. I would get the HK45. Actually, I would get the HK45c. Both HK's are great guns, but for me, the HK45c is easier to conceal and slightly quicker follow-up shots.

HKLovingIT
02-19-2012, 09:00
P220 versus H&K.

I like them both but I would go with the H&K 45C

If I was looking at full size I like the full size USP .45 versus the HK45.

mgentry
02-19-2012, 09:29
Both the HK and Sig are great pistol makers. But contrary to some of the opinions in this thread, Sig would be my choice. Very reliable and accurate and made to last. Glock and Sig are the only pistols I have - I think they are the best. I have seven Sigs and I have never had a problem with any of them and even though I like my Glocks a lot - the Sig is more accurate for me.

Comedian
02-19-2012, 10:29
Ive had both and would suggest the HK45. The Sig P220 was quite good, but the HK45 was overall a bit better. Very accurate, reliable and built like a tank.

Bruce M
02-19-2012, 14:02
I think my current all stainless P220 is as nicely made as the German P220s (I do believe the frame comes from Germany.) The SRT is about as good as any non 1911 trigger I have tried. My USP is on my side daily for more than a decade. My opinion is that either is fine and whichever you shoot better is probably the better choice.

MLittle
02-19-2012, 14:29
My edc is a Sig P220 Carry. A while back I rented the HK45C at my local range and shot it side-by-side with my Sig. IMO the Sig has a much better trigger in DA/SA. The HK is a fine pistol, but to me it is not an improvement over the Sig. The HK also costs more.....

twisty
02-19-2012, 15:21
I'd go with the HK.

I'm not big on the new production Sigs.


Could you please elaborate on your statement. I have two older sigs from the early 1990's and a couple of new ones from around 2007 and 2010, all of them work perfectly and there really is no difference between them that I can see.

collim1
02-19-2012, 15:25
Could you please elaborate on your statement. I have two older sigs from the early 1990's and a couple of new ones from around 2007 and 2010, all of them work perfectly and there really is no difference between them that I can see.

Oh dont even bother, some people only want the older German guns.

I have three Made in USA Sigs and all three have been great guns.

john31125
02-19-2012, 15:58
forget the sig hk all the way ..dont like safeties just switch out the detent plate cost 10 dollers and 5 min or your time and the lever becomes a de cocker only. no need to lose th da sa action

mattallamerican
02-19-2012, 16:01
220 all the way i love mine

twisty
02-19-2012, 20:39
Unless you have a hand the size of a mongaloid, grape ape, gorilla then you would probably be better off with the 220. It is actually fairly comfortable to hold in your hand. The HK is an excessively large gun in my opinion.

john31125
02-19-2012, 20:42
Unless you have a hand the size of a mongaloid, grape ape, gorilla then you would probably be better off with the 220. It is actually fairly comfortable to hold in your hand. The HK is an excessively large gun in my opinion.
yea H&k is more of a mans mans gun we understand :)

majette
02-19-2012, 20:57
Unless you have a hand the size of a mongaloid, grape ape, gorilla then you would probably be better off with the 220. It is actually fairly comfortable to hold in your hand. The HK is an excessively large gun in my opinion.

have you held a hk45 (not usp .45)? far more ergonomic than the p220.

travDMH
02-19-2012, 21:21
forget the sig hk all the way ..dont like safeties just switch out the detent plate cost 10 dollers and 5 min or your time and the lever becomes a de cocker only. no need to lose th da sa action

The da is terrible on the HK45, might as well just get LEM if you don't want a safety.

deguelo
02-22-2012, 11:33
hk 45c, cocked and locked........ regards-- deguelo

AustinTx
02-22-2012, 11:43
I went to the toy store, specifically to buy a Sig 220 and came home with a H&K USP 45 ACP. I liked it better and I had both guns to compare.

Kimura
02-22-2012, 11:54
HK45 or Sig 220? I'm considering a new 45, not a Glock or 1911. Probably LEM on the HK because I don't like safties. Maybe the compact version of each, but probably full size. Anyone have input? I have several Sigs but I've never shot a HK.

Shoot the HK before you decide. If fact, if you haven't shot the P220, shoot that as well before you decide. I like the P226 in 9mm, but I don't like the 220 nearly as much. I would be ok with either gun, but prefer the HK45, not the USP, the HK45. I didn't think there would be a huge difference between the HK and the USP, but there is. It's much more ergonomic and the trigger is the best HK trigger I've ever tried. It's much better than the USP and it's even better than the P30 trigger.

In the end only you can decide because you're the one shooting it, which is why trying both first is a good idea. Also, take a look around the internet and look at what some unit armorers are saying about the durability of each gun. That will really tell you more than individuals talking about it because they see the pistols in larger numbers, which gives them a larger overall outlook.

Inebriated
02-22-2012, 12:14
P220 for me.

teflondog
02-22-2012, 15:52
My vote goes to the HK45. I'd even choose the USP 45 over the Sig P220.

People complain about the USP trigger but you can swap it out with the HK match trigger, which feels just like the Sig triggers IMO.

barth
02-22-2012, 16:10
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo36/63/fd/e57d50c109a3__1329951359000.jpg

fowler
02-22-2012, 17:36
Sig 220 1st and glock 21 second. And even a FNP before a HK which would be my last choice.

jrs93accord
02-22-2012, 18:08
I am all for the SIG220. I had a HK45 Tactical at one point and sold it. I could not get use to the trigger. I like the trigger on the SIGs much better. I have a couple German-made P220s.

SIG SAUER P220-45-I (2005)
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SIG P220-45 (2004)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea%202012/002-5.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea%202012/001-5.jpg

mixflip
02-22-2012, 18:23
The frame mounted decocker is pretty much God's gift to guns with decockers.

Inebriated
02-22-2012, 18:32
The frame mounted decocker is pretty much God's gift to guns with decockers.
Agreed.

WarEagle32
02-22-2012, 22:30
You are talking 2 top tier handguns here. The decision most definitly needs to be made solely on which gun YOU shoot better. If it were me and I was going full size I would buy the Sig. However, compact I would get the H&K.

Glock40man
02-22-2012, 22:52
Another vote for the Sig 220.

Gary1911A1
02-23-2012, 05:43
I have both a 220 from the early 90s' and a HK45 Compact and if I had to choose between them I would keep the HK as they are both reliable and accurate, but for long term use I believe the HK will break fewer parts and require less TLC to keep running. The only downside is the cost of magazines. I do wish HK had designed the trigger in DA to be better though.

Gdirty5
02-23-2012, 06:55
If you ever picked up a hk45, the decision will already be made. Easily one of the most ergonomic guns I have ever held, with the most ergonomic one being the p30 which is the little brother to the hk45.

Iceman cHucK
02-23-2012, 08:56
I carry a FNP45T, even though I own two G21s, a G36, two HKUSP45s, two 1911s, S&W 4506 and others, and sold an old SIG P220.

up1911fan
02-23-2012, 09:20
H&K

I sold my SIG 220 but not because it was a bad gun. I'm left handed and when I tried to do serious fast shooting my middle finger would bump the magazine release just enough to drop the magazine down so the next round wouldn't feed! I was a problem that couldn't be fixed.

BTW, it is that frame size. I don't have that problem with my SIG 228, 226 or P6
Pretty sure the mag catch is reversable.

travDMH
02-23-2012, 10:06
The only downside is the cost of magazines. I do wish HK had designed the trigger in DA to be better though.

Completely agree. I carry condition 1 though so the DA trigger will never see any use. I keep hearing amazing things about the LEM and might consider it.

Magazines are insanely expensive its unbelievable. I had to buy 4 used ones on HKpro for $150 thought that was a good deal.

G19freak
02-23-2012, 18:14
Get the Sig 220 and I've never even owned one.

Had a HK USP .45 fullsize---was an OK gun but the $50 magazines were garbage---for $50 I expect the magazine to work-----will never own another HK.

Glocks are better than either--but the fullsize is huge.

DrtyHarry
02-23-2012, 19:05
I trust my life with a Sig P220! I was never able to shoot the HK as well. Get what YOU can shoot best. IMHO!



Harry

Jameson4all
02-24-2012, 11:11
Well I have to say the HK45 is a sweet shooter, I didnt like the compact version tho because the grip is slick and doesn't offer the same texture of the full size. I have not shot a 220 but if its anything like a usp 9 and a sig 226 in 9mm, I would pick the sig. The little extra weight of the sig's frame balances the gun better imo and the weight makes it easier to do fast follow ups. Also the sigs have great ergonomics and the triggers are beautiful.

sourdough44
02-24-2012, 12:56
Of the full size & compact I like the HK-45c better.

CDR_Glock
03-12-2012, 21:18
Both are great guns. Both handle recoil well. Both are very accurate.

I just prefer the Sig.

My Glock 30, though, reigns supreme.

fowler
03-13-2012, 04:40
Just went through that choice and shot both. Went with the Sig Sauer P220R. Feels better has better magazine release,more accuracy,better fit and finish. The HK45c and the Sig 220 r were on sale for the same price. The Sig feels better in my hand and has near 3 decades of reliable service record. How about 10,000 rds fired in one day without a problem. I can see why the HK is a small player in handguns world wide. I have near 500 rds without a jam. My pals HK45c a few jams in near same rd count. The controls on the HK feel cheap and are not to ergo friendly. The HK reminds me of a Highpoint 45.

Wyoming
03-13-2012, 08:29
Just went through that choice and shot both. Went with the Sig Sauer P220R. Feels better has better magazine release,more accuracy,better fit and finish. The HK45c and the Sig 220 r were on sale for the same price. The Sig feels better in my hand and has near 3 decades of reliable service record. How about 10,000 rds fired in one day without a problem. I can see why the HK is a small player in handguns world wide. I have near 500 rds without a jam. My pals HK45c a few jams in near same rd count. The controls on the HK feel cheap and are not to ergo friendly. The HK reminds me of a Highpoint 45.

Thank you for giving us H&K owners a heads up on our near Highpoint collection.:shocked: