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TBO
02-18-2012, 10:45
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/boston/12006719526831/teen-arrested-after-saying-he-had-gun-at-falmouth-hs/

RussP
02-18-2012, 10:51
Going to be interesting how the father's pistol permit will fair at the end of this.

TBO
02-18-2012, 10:54
This was in the state of Mass., perhaps someone from there might give us insight.

Deaf Smith
02-18-2012, 11:02
Looks like a Colt .380 Government model.

Nice little pistol. So they pull the dad's permit but question is, was the cabinet locked and he broke in? They father said he was 'stunned', so maybe the kid was able to bypass the lock.

Still in Texas they would not even think of pulling the fathers permit.

Deaf

AZson
02-18-2012, 14:01
I like the part about he had no ammo, but he had it cocked so when the officers pulled it out might have fired. Talk about sensationalism in the media.
How about, he had no ammo so when the officers pulled out, it could not have fired?

Misty02
02-18-2012, 14:41
If he broke into a locked container, once the legal issues are squared away, I would highly recommend that kid befriends some officer that can get him into the witness relocation program before his father can get his hands on him.

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pipedreams
02-18-2012, 14:58
I would be one upset daddy if this happened and they took all the weapons in the cabinet. This kid is going to have some explaining to dad, but again this is Mass.


"He was stunned that he was able to gain access to the cabinet. But again, at this point its precautionary to make sure that we suspend and also take into custody all of those weapons, said Chief Anthony Riello, Falmouth Police Department."

USMCgs3
02-18-2012, 15:05
Take the kid away, not the guns!


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G30Mike
02-18-2012, 15:22
Take the kid away, not the guns!


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Ha, I had the exact same thought before I even read your post.

SJ 40
02-18-2012, 17:40
I like the part about he had no ammo, but he had it cocked so when the officers pulled it out might have fired. Talk about sensationalism in the media.
How about, he had no ammo so when the officers pulled out, it could not have fired?That would never work,that would be like telling the Truth. SJ 40

BK63
02-18-2012, 19:05
When I was a kid there was a wooden gun cabinet in my bedroom with everything we owned in it. I didn't even think about picking anything up unless I was going shooting with my dad. Times have changed. When I had kids everything went in a safe. Always locked up, always. Not that I don't trust my kids, but things are different and I won't even take the chance. My kids are in their 20's now and I still leave everything locked in a safe. Nothing in a night stand or anything like that. I just won't take a chance. I hope this guy comes out ok and learns a lesson from this.

ithaca_deerslayer
02-18-2012, 20:22
I like the part about he had no ammo, but he had it cocked so when the officers pulled it out might have fired. Talk about sensationalism in the media.
How about, he had no ammo so when the officers pulled out, it could not have fired?

You don't know anything about guns at all. They can just go off. Every year guns track down and shoot hundreds of innocent young school children to death. A gun in a home is 236 times more likely to turn on its owners and suddenly shoot them than they are to be used in any safe way whatsoever. And modern polymer guns like Glock and AK47's don't need coventional bullets. They have teflon hollow points that shoot from the high capacity clips.

Bruce M
02-18-2012, 20:28
I know here there is a section or two about restricting access to firearms http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC174.HTM&Title=->2000->Ch0790->Section%20174#0790.174

And I would guess that there is something at least as strict in the MGL.

Mister_Beefy
02-18-2012, 20:29
If it's found that the kid broke into the cabinet, I don't see how the government will be able to justify the continued revocation of the father's permit and the confiscation of his property.

so, he'll probably get everything back. (in about six years and after spending tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees)

this is a prime example of why registration of any kind is bad.

AA#5
02-18-2012, 20:30
When I was a kid there was a wooden gun cabinet in my bedroom with everything we owned in it. I didn't even think about picking anything up unless I was going shooting with my dad. Times have changed. When I had kids everything went in a safe. Always locked up, always. Not that I don't trust my kids, but things are different and I won't even take the chance. My kids are in their 20's now and I still leave everything locked in a safe. Nothing in a night stand or anything like that. I just won't take a chance. I hope this guy comes out ok and learns a lesson from this.

You're much wiser than many here.

Bruce M
02-18-2012, 20:30
Like this http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131L

AA#5
02-18-2012, 20:35
If it's found that the kid broke into the cabinet, I don't see how the government will be able to justify the continued revocation of the father's permit and the confiscation of his property.

so, he'll probably get everything back. (in about six years and after spending tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees)

this is a prime example of why registration of any kind is bad.

Without knowing what type of "cabinet" the guns were stored in, it wouldn't be fair to blame the father.

But.....if they were in a wood cabinet with a glass display, locked or not, the father is an idiot. A display-type cabinet that is easy to break into is not only too tempting for the son, but also for the son's friends as well as burglars.

G30Mike
02-18-2012, 21:10
Wonder if they would have taken the fathers drivers license and cars if the son had stolen one out of the garage and taken it to school?

Without knowing if the "cabinet" was locked or not, its not fair for me to pass judgement on dad. I have a very young son and my guns all stay in the safe. I do keep my G30 in a holster attached to the head of my bed on the mattress out of view while I sleep. If I'm not sleeping its on me. I don't leave it unattended at all.

I really hope I'm able to educate my son so that when he gets older he knows guns aren't toys and deserve the utmost respect, but I wont leave them unlocked because no matter how educated YOUR kids are, someone elses kids, ie their little friends, are probably not. You also never know what your kids may do to "look cool", like bring a gun to school.

Hope everything works out for dad, but if he was truly wreckless in the storage of his firearms, there should be some kind of consequences. At 15 the kid should damn well know better than to bring a gun to school. I fear for the future of his ability to own a gun later in life when he grows up and has the potential to be a responsible adult.

James Dean
02-18-2012, 21:12
I like the part about he had no ammo, but he had it cocked so when the officers pulled it out might have fired. Talk about sensationalism in the media.
How about, he had no ammo so when the officers pulled out, it could not have fired?
I don't think the chief is too bright either.

tim12232
02-18-2012, 22:32
You don't know anything about guns at all. They can just go off. Every year guns track down and shoot hundreds of innocent young school children to death. A gun in a home is 236 times more likely to turn on its owners and suddenly shoot them than they are to be used in any safe way whatsoever. And modern polymer gus like Glock and AK47's don't need coventional bullets. They have teflon hollow points that shoot from the high capacity clips.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I might have to use that in my signature! sounds like something Diane Sawyer would say:upeyes:

vtbluegrass
02-18-2012, 23:32
Well I never grew up shooting more than to just know how the guns worked because I just didn't care for it and me and dad had fishing to bond over. But there were 10 guns in the house including a loaded Ruger 357 that hung in a western style holster on the post of my dad's bed. I was a little curious about the guns but I always knew without being told that it would been the end of my life had I touched any of the guns without my dad present. Never spanked in my life but I just knew it would happen had I done something so stupid. So whenever I hear these stories I just don't comprehend what the heck is going on with these kids.

JuneyBooney
02-19-2012, 02:23
Looks like a Colt .380 Government model.

Nice little pistol. So they pull the dad's permit but question is, was the cabinet locked and he broke in? They father said he was 'stunned', so maybe the kid was able to bypass the lock.

Still in Texas they would not even think of pulling the fathers permit.

Deaf

Everyone knows kids can get into anything. Taking the dad's permit is really not right. The kid didn't even have bullets. This will be interesting to watch and see what happens.

meleors
02-19-2012, 02:30
so, he'll probably get everything back. (in about six years and after spending tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees)

And then be told that the guns had been destroyed per government policy and no compensation is allowed.

Gunnut 45/454
02-19-2012, 09:27
Mister_Beefy
Unfortunately Mass. has destroy laws- any firearms confiscated by the LEO's are destroyed. He'll not see those guns again. Without compensation either!:steamed:

A'boy
02-19-2012, 10:43
You don't know anything about guns at all. They can just go off. Every year guns track down and shoot hundreds of innocent young school children to death. A gun in a home is 236 times more likely to turn on its owners and suddenly shoot them than they are to be used in any safe way whatsoever. And modern polymer gus like Glock and AK47's don't need coventional bullets. They have teflon hollow points that shoot from the high capacity clips.

I don't own guns. I get held up and robbed by them every time I go to a gun store. I am being held hostage by them in my own home.....

ScottieG59
02-19-2012, 12:50
This sort of thing probably happens more that is discovered. I remember my father having a gun cabinet, but we were all trained on firearm use and would never think of taking one to school. I am less trusting of my kids. Only I have access to my gun safes and there is nothing hidden around the house to allow anyone entry, such as keys or written combos.

I even have two secured safes in my vehicle for when I cannot carry into a facility.

It is too easy for the wrong person to get your guns if they are not secured. It may not be the son taking it to school; it can be a burglar shooting you with your own gun as you get home.

Mister_Beefy
02-26-2012, 23:31
Mister_Beefy
Unfortunately Mass. has destroy laws- any firearms confiscated by the LEO's are destroyed. He'll not see those guns again. Without compensation either!:steamed:


well, were it me in that situation all bets would be off.

pmcjury
02-27-2012, 06:10
The police chief said the boys three friends that he told about the weapon could face charges as well.


Is it really a crime not to be a snitch? I understand it is if the police ask you, and you lie in an attempt to cover for your friend, not offering the information up gets you in trouble?

Zeker
02-28-2012, 06:01
I was a little curious about the guns but I always knew without being told that it would been the end of my life had I touched any of the guns without my dad present.


Hokies do tend to be mature and exercise sound judgement at a young age but you can't depend on all kids to be that smart.

All my guns are kept in a quality safe and only I have the combination. My home defense pistol is in a small quick access safe - again only I have the combination. That said, as soon as my kid's hands were big enough to hold a pistol I began taking them to the range to understand what firearms are all about, how to safely handle them, and to satisfy their curiosity. My guns are not accessible to them at home, but I can't be sure about their friend's house....

Go Hokies!

dabigguns357
02-28-2012, 07:09
And this is why my guns stay locked in safes,Closet that safes are in stays locked and my bedroom where the closet stays locked.At night when i sleep, lock the bedroom door behind us but thats more for personal reasons.:embarassed:

The only gun i have out is on my hip.

hamster
02-28-2012, 07:37
Everyone knows kids can get into anything. Taking the dad's permit is really not right. The kid didn't even have bullets. This will be interesting to watch and see what happens.

Depends. If Dad is one of those who never locks the gun Cabinet because "he has trained his kids never to touch the guns without permission." The he IS responsible IMO.

If he had a reasonably strong cabinet with a proper locking mechanism and the kid somehow bypassed it then I'd probably not yank his license.

RussP
02-28-2012, 07:39
well, were it me in that situation all bets would be off.What do you mean, "all bets would be off?"

RussP
02-28-2012, 07:57
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/boston/12006719526831/teen-arrested-after-saying-he-had-gun-at-falmouth-hs/

The police chief said the boys three friends that he told about the weapon could face charges as well.Is it really a crime not to be a snitch? I understand it is if the police ask you, and you lie in an attempt to cover for your friend, not offering the information up gets you in trouble?Do you know that those charges would be for not snitching?

Do you believe children should be taught not to tell authorities when someone violates rules and/or laws?

RussP
02-28-2012, 07:58
Hokies do tend to be mature and exercise sound judgement at a young age but you can't depend on all kids to be that smart.

Go Hokies!Amen!!

BrewerGeorge
02-28-2012, 09:01
Don't live in MA!

SigFTW
02-28-2012, 09:59
When I was in middle school I was sent to a alternative school class (like detention) for 3 days because of fighting (more like self-defense). The kid sitting next to me was there because of bring a gun to school and another one was there because of bring a knife. The whole time I was there I keep muddering to my self, "I don't belong here" "I don't belong here!!".

How times have changed.

It would be interested to see if the father gets his guns or CHL back.:dunno:

TBO
03-17-2012, 20:18
Police charging 3rd Falmouth student in handgun case

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20120303police_charging_3rd_falmouth_student_in_handgun_case/srvc=home&position=recent

ithaca_deerslayer
03-17-2012, 21:10
Police charging 3rd Falmouth student in handgun case

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20120303police_charging_3rd_falmouth_student_in_handgun_case/srvc=home&position=recent

Maybe the kids can say they didn't know it was a gun.

How would they know? It is a thought crime to even draw a picture of a gun in school. The guns have been banned, teaching about guns has been banned, books about guns have been banned. Seems a solid defense. Heck, for all they know, they didn't hold a gun.

Sbh87
03-18-2012, 01:50
OK since this has to do with MA I figured I would chime in. The father is done. Will never get the permit back and will never get the guns back. In MA the chief of police has the power to decide suitability. There is no legal definition for it, it's just the chiefs own opinion of you as a person. Even if he is never convicted of allowing his kid access to the gun, the chief can find him unstable to own firearms and thus deny his license to carry (LTC).

There are ways if you screw up to get your LTC back and that is if you were convicted of something (not firearms related and not otherwise a disqualification for firearms ownership) you have to wait 5 years after your release from prison or probation or parole AND it can't be firearms related. A conviction of something firearms related in MA is automatic disqualification of your 2nd amendment for life. Now if you are charged but never convicted of something firearms related legally you can still own firearms because one was never convicted but as you read in my first paragraph if it's firearms related the chief will play the suitability card.

Now if he is not convicted but is denied based on suitability he can appeal to the district court in the area that he lives. If he is eventually denied his LTC based on being convicted for allowing access to the firearms he can't appeal to district court or the firearms record bureau. The below image is the letter from the Firearms Records Bureau to anyone wishing (and I do mean wishing) for their LTC back.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7986/frbletter.jpg

So even after doing the petition (if he can) and the FRB finds him suitable they can only make the recommendation that he is suitable and this final decision still lies with the Chief. So if the Chief does in fact find him not suitable after a petition (if he can petition) then he goes on to the district court in his area.

Sbh87
03-18-2012, 02:00
Mister_Beefy
Unfortunately Mass. has destroy laws- any firearms confiscated by the LEO's are destroyed. He'll not see those guns again. Without compensation either!:steamed:

That is 100% false. They have to wait until a conviction and even if someone is convicted of something they may have the chance to own again (see above post). Also if the convicted can't have them back more times than not they are transferred to someone who has a valid LTC and will most likely be chosen by the person who had them confiscated. I've known someone who went though a suspension for something stupid and a lot less serious than what happened in Falmouth and everything was eventually returned not destroyed. It takes years before anything can legally be destroyed.

Sbh87
03-18-2012, 02:02
If it's found that the kid broke into the cabinet, I don't see how the government will be able to justify the continued revocation of the father's permit and the confiscation of his property.

so, he'll probably get everything back. (in about six years and after spending tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees)

this is a prime example of why registration of any kind is bad.

Yes registration is bad. And yes they absolutely can justify continued revocation. If convicted there is 0.00% chance he will get it back. If not convicted and denied based on suitability he can appeal to district court for the area he lives in and in the rare event they find him suitable he MIGHT get his LTC back. Even after a district court petition he may still be denied. These steps have happened will continue to happen and there is a 100% chance people will still be denied. This is MA, freedom started and ended here.

LongGoneDays
03-18-2012, 12:37
its precautionary to make sure that we suspend and also take into custody all of those weapons, said Chief Anthony Riello, Falmouth Police Department.



Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I especially like the part at the bottom where the other 3 yuits are being charged as well :upeyes: