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travDMH
02-19-2012, 15:28
A local gun shop by me has a boat load of these Polish P64's. They look a lot like the Walther PPK. I shot one yesterday, only put one mag through it though. More kick then I thought for such a heavy 9 but seemed accurate.

Any one have any thoughts or opinions on the P64? Also is $180 a good price?

http://www.jgsales.com/polish-p64-9x18-military-pistols,-blued,-vg-condition.-p-5863.html


http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/handguns/POL-P64-D.jpg

Thanks

MinnesnowtaWild
02-20-2012, 00:35
$180 is a fair price for the P64. They are sort of cool, but they don't really make a ton of sense to me for a carry gun. They are very heavy when you consider the low amount of firepower you're carrying around. The recoil is horrible for the low amount of firepower. The mag release is a no-go for me because I lost about 50% of the function in my left hand and I can't do effective mag changes for a carry gun. The sights are tiny for a carry gun, and the 9x18 Makarov has the same ballistics as a .380 but with much, much less options for self defense ammo. The DA trigger is nearly impossible for most people to pull, but the SA trigger is nice. There is no slide lock/release on it, so you have to insert an empty mag to lock it back. The safety/decocker goes from safe to fire going from a down to up position which is the opposite of many carry guns.

But other than that, it's a pretty cool and affordable gun. I really want to get one just to have around, but I would never consider it a good defensive gun.

HKLovingIT
02-20-2012, 06:21
It would be cool if you are into collecting that sort of thing. I would personally go with a Makarov (I just got one from Bud's). Or the CZ-82

Looks like the prices of Maks are going up. Mine was $269 a couple months ago:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411546545/CENTURY+INTL+ARMS+BULGARIAN+MAKAROV+9X18MM+8RD

CZ-82

http://www.jgsales.com/cz-82-czech-9x18-new-barrel-makarov-military-pistol,-very-good-condition,-one-mag.-c-r.-p-4767.html

If you wanted to use for personal protection then this is some ammo to consider:

http://www.hornady.com/store/9-x-18mm-Makarov-95-gr-XTP/

An article comparing .38 Special, .380, 9x18 Mak:
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Comparisonof9x18mmMakarovetc.htm

Some more:
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/The%20Defensive%20Makarov%20Revisted.htm

Maks are built tough, can take a beating and they are easy to get hits with. I find the recoil very mild. Unfortunately I think the 9x18mm Mak to be a bit on the light side for SD. I don't like to go below .38 Special +P. YMMV. For just plinking these types of pistols are a lot of fun.

M2 Carbine
02-20-2012, 08:03
I've had thee P-64's since 2003.

They are accurate and relable.
All steel.
Terrible DA trigger but this can be corrected with a main spring change.
The recoil is very bad. I've never seen anyone that enjoyed shooting more than a couple magazines.
I know a couple people that carry the gun (after changing the main spring).

The gun gives the impression of being small but it is almost as big as a Makarov.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/P64andMak.jpg

I've seen new guns where the thumb safety could not be moved or it just flops around. The cause being the hole for the safety spring and plunger had a burr that was jamming the plunger. An easy fix.

$180 is a decent price for a like new gun. I recently sold two of mine for $100 each.

IMO, although more costly the Makarov or CZ82/83 are better guns.

rtl
02-20-2012, 10:47
bought an unissued one from my birth year, which i thought was cool......replaced the hammer spring to get the trigger pull down to manageable levels......it was a safe queen for about a year.......took it out and shot about 10 rounds.......sold the next opportunity.

multiple jams in each mag, and the recoil was unpleasant. not a keeper, but cheap at least

travDMH
02-20-2012, 13:00
Thanks all. I am no longer interested in it. Seems like a pos

L Pete
02-20-2012, 14:08
I've got one.....

Why to heavy a DA pull on the trigger. It's almost painful to pull.

The single action pull is why too light. That was before I changed the mainspring. Then it became a truly hair trigger. It works, but I hate it.

Diesel McBadass
02-20-2012, 20:45
Got a classic arms p64, 200 bucks, it shoots every time. thing is relible. Sure da is about 25 pounds so its a condition 3 gun, im having my gunsmith do a springswap soon to tame it, crisp 5 pound sa though and with a wolff recoil spring it is much more pleasant to shoot. Build quality is great on mine. classic arms has a good stock.

M2 Carbine
02-20-2012, 20:54
I ran across this picture of shooting the P-64 at 50 yards (standing, with two hands).
The gun would mostly keep the hits in the 18 inch silhouette.
No that's not right, the gun can easily keep all shots well with in the silhouette but I can't.:)
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/P64at50yards.jpg

Cmacc
02-20-2012, 21:38
Love mine for the price. They have their own forum. Here is everything you need to know about these guns:

http://www.p64resource.com/forum/index.php?sid=2790f160fbec6114105804eb26a2559e

Old School
02-21-2012, 07:23
I love mine. Check the firing pin channel - sometimes they're full of cosmoline and that causes weak strikes.

I have to admit that the kick was a bit more stout than I expected. Probably because I didn't appreciate the size difference between the p64 and the Makarov. It's not like a 44 mag or anything, just a bit more than I thought it would be.

RMTactical
02-21-2012, 15:57
I had two of them I just sold... I hated it.

To be fair, they were reliable, solid guns. Also, very good size for CCW.

Recoil was sucky though and the trigger was terrible.

I did a write up about them on my blog.

http://www.minutemanreview.com/2011/07/polish-p-64-review.html

After I added the stronger recoil springs, it was still painful to shoot. I much prefer the CZ-82 and Makarov to the P-64.

RMTactical
02-21-2012, 15:57
oops!

Diesel McBadass
02-23-2012, 08:05
Just did the hammer spring swap, what an improvement! I can pull easily with one finger no more israeli draws lol. The recoil sucked, until i got a wolff xtra power recoil spring, now its pleasant, iiked the gun so much i got marschals grips that look great and make it even more pleasant. there great guns, just need a little work. 10 bucks worth of springs and 10 minutes worth of work.

390ish
02-23-2012, 17:44
Change out the springs, get some reloading dies, a box of hornady bullets and a pound of AA5 powder. You can get a safe 1000 fps out if it with great accuracy. I carry it or a kahr cw9.

Myke_Hart
02-23-2012, 18:10
Yeah, you need to change out the springs. Wolff springs can hook you up.

Factory springs make the trigger hard as a rock in double action. With the wolf springs they are like butter.

The only other complaint I have is the sights are very small.

I have two.
Polish p64 twins
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_5287both.jpg

The_Gun_Guru
02-23-2012, 18:57
Any one have any thoughts or opinions on the P64? Also is $180 a good price?


Thanks

Great gun, but......

IT WILL DESTROY YOUR HAND!!!!:wavey:


I sold mine to a fellow GTer and have never regretted it! As far as the price.....too much!!!!


For a BETTER experience in the same caliber/size get an FEG PA-63!!!! BETTER GUN AAND EASY ON THE PALM.....as well as the wallet!


TGG

MrMurphy
02-24-2012, 03:02
I'd buy one for a collection, otherwise the CZ82/83 or Mak is a much better built design.

Nakanokalronin
02-24-2012, 10:30
They're very accurate and a bargain for what you pay. I bought mine a few weeks ago and it's been nothing but reliable and accurate. To help with the trigger pull and recoil, I put a Wolff hammer & recoil spring in. After that I added some grip tape and a Wilson Combat front checkered strap to the front so I don't need to readjust my grip between shots. Those grip enhancements have worked out perfectly and does not cause any abrasion.

The P64 will fit in most leather holsters made for a PPK. I bought a Bianchi 100 made for a PPK and it fits like a glove. If carried, make sure to have the safety/decocker in the down position. There is no automatic firing pin stop but when the safety/decocker is down, it does indeed block the firing pin from any movement. I also threw in the Wolff XP firing pin spring after a thorough cleaning.

Could these be used as a budget carry piece? You bet!

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg36/scaled.php?server=36&filename=p641t.jpg&res=medium

I'll agree that the CZ-82 with it's bigger grip, higher capacity, better trigger and C'd & L'd carry option are pluses, but the P64 is much smaller/slimmer and can easily get the job done if need be.

notjustanothermini
02-24-2012, 22:48
well i have a few mak's p64's and the like. FWIW, they are one of the most intelligently designed guns ever (not in firepower respects, but dual and triple functionality of parts, etc) alot of modern designs are borowed from these guns (beretta= no blow out extractor, CZ=look at a 82/83 and more)

also the maks can extract without the extractor, much like a hk p7 with fluted chambers in case the extractor fails.

but in all fairness it is rather wimpy little carry piece. out dated to say the least.

BUT, CDNN sports has CZ-83's which are double stack 9x18 mak chambered SA/DA decockers. they have them for 169.99.

the cz 83 lists for 480.00 on the czusa website, one helluva deal

m2hmghb
02-25-2012, 00:23
well i have a few mak's p64's and the like. FWIW, they are one of the most intelligently designed guns ever (not in firepower respects, but dual and triple functionality of parts, etc) alot of modern designs are borowed from these guns (beretta= no blow out extractor, CZ=look at a 82/83 and more)

also the maks can extract without the extractor, much like a hk p7 with fluted chambers in case the extractor fails.

but in all fairness it is rather wimpy little carry piece. out dated to say the least.

BUT, CDNN sports has CZ-83's which are double stack 9x18 mak chambered SA/DA decockers. they have them for 169.99.

the cz 83 lists for 480.00 on the czusa website, one helluva deal

CDNN has the CZ82 which is the military version of the CZ83.