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mdt62
02-20-2012, 14:40
I've been shooting my AR quite a bit lately and its getting a bit expensive. My local gun dealer keeps telling me its ok to run the "cheapest, dirtiest stuff I can find". This would include steel case ammo which I avoid, except for my AK. So what do you guys run? Anyone run the cheapest dirtiest stuff they can find?

jrs93accord
02-20-2012, 15:01
I will not run any steel-cased ammo in any of my ARs. Never, in the 33 years I have been shooting M16s and AR15s, have I ever run steel-cased ammo in them. For practicing, I will run the cheaper brass-cased ammo like PRVI PARTIZAN, PMC, and AMERICAN EAGLE. I stock up on the Lake City, Federal, and even some British Radway for a "rainy day".

Glock21Owner
02-20-2012, 15:42
I've ran thousands of rounds of Silver Bear through my AR's. No problems, accurate and sure fire.

plouffedaddy
02-20-2012, 15:51
I run Silver Bear in all my ARs. I have a couple with at least 3k worth of this steel cased ammo through them that have never had a failure of any kind. I do clean them frequently though and some say the steel cased ammo makes the bore dirtier--I concur BTW. So, if you run it, pay attention to the cleanliness of the chamber/bore and you'll be good to go.
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Contact
02-20-2012, 16:50
I've got a few boxes of good ammo laying around for home defense/tshtf/zombies/yadda yadda, but other than that, I shoot the cheapest stuff the range will let me shoot. They don't let me bring in any steel cased ammo, so TulAmmo and Wolf are both out.

smokin762
02-20-2012, 17:21
I have recently been buying Federal 5.56 M193 Ball at a local Gun Shop for $5.99 a box.

They conveniently place the cases of this ammunition by the register. I pick up 4 or 5 boxes at a time. I think it shoots good.

Boxerglocker
02-20-2012, 17:37
Good deal here http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9017&dir=18|830|845

Comes out to about .28 cents a round shipped.... save the brass and send it to me :supergrin:

mdt62
02-20-2012, 17:43
Good deal here http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9017&dir=18|830|845

Comes out to about .28 cents a round shipped.... save the brass and send it to me :supergrin:

Pretty close to what I'm paying now. At least I know Im not over paying. We always save our .223...i dont know why as none of us reload. I've thought about it but I've been told its not worth it.

Glockdude1
02-20-2012, 17:54
Good deal here http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9017&dir=18|830|845

Comes out to about .28 cents a round shipped.... save the brass and send it to me :supergrin:

Thanks for the link!!

:cool:

Sgt.K
02-20-2012, 18:59
I've fired 1000's of Wolf and Brown Bear through my Colt MT6530 and so far a few 100 in my new DPMS Oracle without a problem, YMMV.

Jon_R
02-20-2012, 19:09
I have had no issues with Wolf 55 and 62 grain. I read not to mix steel and brass and it some what makes sense so I don't. The theory is the steel does not expand like brass so it does not seal the chamber like brass would allowing more gunk to build up in the chamber so if you shoot off a few hundred steel then swap to brass you might have trouble chambering the brass rounds.

True or not I don't know but my range trips it is either steel or brass. If steel I clean it before swapping to brass next trip.

YMMV.

I also pick up cases of M193 often never hurts to have plenty of it laying around. :cool:

A3middie
02-20-2012, 19:24
I shoot 62g Silver Bear out of a Sabre upper almost exclusively, no problems at all. That stuff is half way accurate but somewhat dirty. I did a test of 200 rounds of steel and then a mag of brass, had many failures. Pick one but don't mix them.

mdt62
02-20-2012, 19:40
So we agree to pick one kind of case per range trip and not to mix without cleaning correct? I always clean after shooting anyway so thats not problem. Figure I invested all that money so I should protect it.

vtbluegrass
02-20-2012, 19:51
I shot a lot of Wolf in my first AR and didn't have any problems just a few extra patched to clean. I don't anymore because I have been reloading since 2006. If you are concerned buy the brass cased stuff on sale and police your brass then you will have it to sell and make up a good portion of the price difference.

aptrpl6
02-20-2012, 20:45
I shoot Wolf Military Classic and Silver Bear all the time. Thousands of rounds and not one malfunction. Just clean your rifle after you shoot because it is pretty dirty. I haven't noticed any excessive wear, including the extractor.

Magelk
02-20-2012, 21:15
Pretty close to what I'm paying now. At least I know Im not over paying. We always save our .223...i dont know why as none of us reload. I've thought about it but I've been told its not worth it.

You were told wrong. 155-175$ per thousand is easy to get to.

michael e
02-20-2012, 21:21
My AR is 10 years old and never seen a expensive round threw it. Ran few cases of wolf when they used to be 75 /case. Then went to silver or brown bear. No issues with any of them.

Jon_R
02-20-2012, 21:24
So we agree to pick one kind of case per range trip and not to mix without cleaning correct? I always clean after shooting anyway so thats not problem. Figure I invested all that money so I should protect it.

I agree though brass to steel might not be an issue. I don't always clean every trip. :whistling: But I do always have a clean AR ready to go with M193. :cool:

country85
02-20-2012, 21:34
Walmart here in indiana sell's tula ammo for 4.97 a box, rounds out to 26 cent a round after tax, I've put tons of this stuff in my AR, not one problem, feed your gun what it likes, not bragging but mine will put 3 in one hole at 75 yards, and that's with the cheap stuff, plus the zombies arent gonna care what kind of ammo you are using!!!

nimbus
02-20-2012, 21:36
I like the steel stuff through my BCM and DD uppers. Never a problem with a few thousand through each. Frankly, I wouldn't own an AR that didn't like steel cased stuff.

Boxerglocker
02-20-2012, 21:36
Pretty close to what I'm paying now. At least I know Im not over paying. We always save our .223...i dont know why as none of us reload. I've thought about it but I've been told its not worth it.

I reload Horandy 55g FMJ with TAC powder and Wolf SRM primers for $150 a thousand with bulk buying... if using SMK 69 grainer's for precision about $255.

Brucev
02-20-2012, 22:28
I have fired a great big pile of WOLF steel-cased 55 gr. FMJ 5.56mm ammo in my COLT Hbar. In many thousands of rounds, this rifle has not had one single issue regardless of the brand of ammo, the magazine being used, etc. The WOLF ball ammo has produced function and on target results that are in every way identical to those obtained using any ball ammo produced by any foreign or domestic manufacturer. YMMV.

mdt62
02-21-2012, 15:29
You were told wrong. 155-175$ per thousand is easy to get to.

This is good new. I've been trying to read up on reloading as much as possible. Still got a lot of learning to do. I'm more of a learn while I do kind of a person. Wish I knew someone that reloaded locally to show me the ropes.

rhino673
02-21-2012, 15:57
Only problem I have had with wolf or Tula is hard primers. 1 or 2 rounds per 30 will not fire on the first strike. The IMI that I have has run flawlessly.

rgb03
02-21-2012, 17:39
Another vote for its ok to use steel if your gun will run on it.
Shot a bunch thru a RRA without cleaning no problems and
also thru a Colt 6520 and 6933 suppressed and unsuppressed with no problems.
I did have two Stag uppers that would choke on it(Wolf). Cases would stick and if you were lucky it would rip the rim off. Sold both of them off with the disclamer of the hate for Wolf ammo these 2 guns had.

mdt62
02-21-2012, 20:00
I did have two Stag uppers that would choke on it(Wolf). Cases would stick and if you were lucky it would rip the rim off. Sold both of them off with the disclamer of the hate for Wolf ammo these 2 guns had.

This concerns me as I have a stag model 3. :dunno:

dakrat
02-21-2012, 20:05
I have fired 500 rounds of Wolf WPA without any issues. it is my go-to plinker rounds.

mjkeat
02-21-2012, 21:43
I have fired a bit of Tula (2k) and XM193 (1k) last year and went through a couple hundred rounds of Wolf my last range trip all w/o issue. I've gone as far as to mix, everyother round, brass and steel in the same magazine. Same experience, no issues.

Some don't like it but there are no real dangers in doing so.

Jon_R
02-21-2012, 21:46
This is good new. I've been trying to read up on reloading as much as possible. Still got a lot of learning to do. I'm more of a learn while I do kind of a person. Wish I knew someone that reloaded locally to show me the ropes.

Where is locally?

RMTactical
02-21-2012, 22:43
Any decent quality AR15 will run quality steel cased ammo just fine.

Danno85
02-22-2012, 08:54
I've run 500rds of monarch and 500 rds of Tula through my Spikes AR and haven't had any issues with the tula, but the monarch I seem to get a couple of hard primers every 30 or 40 rds so I'll be staying away from it. The Tula has run flawlessly and you can't beat the price, just got a 500rd shipment in from CTD for $112 shipped.

fastbolt
02-22-2012, 13:46
During the few AR armorer classes I've attended over the years (a couple of which were Colt classes), the subject of ammunition manufacture and quality has naturally come up from time to time.

When ammunition-related functioning issues have been discussed, more armorers making up the various classes have reported functioning problems with either their own AR's, or those belonging to their agencies, when it involved the use of some Eastern European ammunition.

Why risk it?

Good quality magazines and good quality ammunition are at the very heart of proper & optimal functioning in the AR.

mdt62
02-22-2012, 14:56
Where is locally?

I live in ohio

Jon_R
02-22-2012, 14:59
I live in ohio

Ok. There is a pretty active re-loader forum on here and in general re-loaders are pretty friendly helping people learn and get started. If you where in Central FL I would help you get started. Might want to poke your head in over there. Just a thought if that is what you are after.