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silverado
02-20-2012, 14:50
Was thinking about handguns that some may not know about and other great guns that never caught on or had low sales. They can be copies of other well known designs or imported guns from less known manufactures. Here are two I thought of. What are some more.

BUL Cherokee

Sarslimaz Kama

eracer
02-20-2012, 14:55
S&W 4040PD. Short lived Gen3 .40 S&W cousin to the 3913 that had a Scandium frame to save weight.

I have one, and it's a great little shooter. It just never caught on, and S&W discontinued it after only a few years.

I never heard of any problems with it, other than some criticism of the magazine well. You had to punch the mag in pretty firmly or the first round could fail to feed.

Sampo
02-20-2012, 15:11
Bersa/Firestorms... Walther clones, for the most part.

mrsurfboard
02-20-2012, 15:13
FNXs and FNPs. Great guns made by one of the largest firearms companies around FNH, yet gets little attention it seems.

silverado
02-20-2012, 16:09
Forgot about the FNP ans FNX. For sure great guns.

raven11
02-20-2012, 16:16
Walther P99 - great pistol, just got priced out of the market , $700 . at least walther did not make the same mistake with the PPQ


Caracal F- designed by the legendary designer Wilhelm Bubits of glock and steyr fame and really got a bad rap because of importer issues and it being built in the UAE

adamg01
02-20-2012, 17:23
Stoeger Couger 9mm's were going for $389 a couple of years ago. All the people I talked to who bought one was highly impressed with the bang for the buck.

spork
02-20-2012, 17:30
Armalite AR-24. I have one that I picked up about three years ago. I have been very happy with it, but I don't see much talk about them and I never met anyone else who owned one.

jrs93accord
02-20-2012, 18:47
I have a stainless steel .45ACP 1911 that I have never seen another like it. It was made by SHADOW USA in Riverside, CA sometime back in the '80s. If you notice, even the rear sight is stainless. This pistol is a pure work of art.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-12.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/002-13.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/003-11.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/004-10.jpg

barth
02-20-2012, 18:51
Although I've never owned one.
I've heard lots of good things about various Taurus guns.
They sometimes buy old designs from Beretta.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/13/13586.jpg

Bruce M
02-20-2012, 18:54
Detonics. Probably too well known a couple decades ago to make the list, but I will offer it anyway.

iluv2viddyfilms
02-20-2012, 18:56
Although I've never owned one.
I've heard lots of good things about various Taurus guns.
They sometimes buy old designs from Beretta.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/13/13586.jpg

I've heard the Taurus revolvers are excellent but have heard mixed reviews of their autos.

plouffedaddy
02-20-2012, 19:09
FNP9m. It's an awesome all around gun. 15 rounds of fun, concealable, great ergos, great trigger, and superb reliability.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/mail-3-2.jpg

mingaa
02-20-2012, 19:17
Ruger P95, affordable, 9mm tackdriver only sold mine because I went to all DOA or striker with pistols. It's big - if you run out of ammo, use it as a hammer - you won't damage the gun!http://www.lipseys.com/eImages/kp95dpr.jpg :wow:

The Box
02-20-2012, 19:19
+1 on the Bersas. I think they are priced to low. Everyone assumes that they are crap. For a DA/SA they are hard to beat for accuracy and reliability...especially for the price point.

Two Guns
02-20-2012, 19:29
The biggest sleeper of them all to me would be the 3rd Gen S&W 457 45acp single stack. I wish they still made them.

DreamWeaver88
02-20-2012, 19:50
Arcus 94. I think I paid around $230 for it new. Everyone that shoots it comments on it's excellent accuracy.

It's been dehorned and refinished in this pic.

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL806/138216/250085/390140080.jpg

DW

427
02-20-2012, 20:19
Zastava M88.

SickShot
02-20-2012, 20:27
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger-double-defense.php

Interesting stuff, like a side-by-side HD 12 gauge with rails. . .

bac1023
02-20-2012, 20:28
I have a stainless steel .45ACP 1911 that I have never seen another like it. It was made by SHADOW USA in Riverside, CA sometime back in the '80s. If you notice, even the rear sight is stainless. This pistol is a pure work of art.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-12.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/002-13.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/003-11.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/004-10.jpg


Looks great, James :cool:

SickShot
02-20-2012, 20:28
I have to say +1 on FNH, they have some amazing looking pistols, not to mention the Five-seven and SCARs...

1911master
02-20-2012, 21:00
I would agree with the orginal Detonics, dont know about the newer pistols.

Next up would be STAR pistols. I always did like the PDs, BKMs. Way ahead of the times. Firestar plus series in 9mm were pretty good also. Now if I could find that one of a kind Firestar plus in 45?

Line Rider
02-20-2012, 21:07
The Steyr GB 9mm. The first ones came into the US in 1981 and had an 18 round magazine. :wow:

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Steyr_GB

jbourneidentity
02-20-2012, 21:13
The Browning BDM 9mm is one of the finest pistols I've ever shot. It's the only handgun I've ever handled that felt as good as a 1911 or Hi-Power. What a shame that these never caught on with the public.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTzw1k14lA-bmSbWRwFkCTcO36R4uzmcDubSEsVkMd3gLo_lDr

jrs93accord
02-20-2012, 21:14
I would agree with the orginal Detonics, dont know about the newer pistols.

Next up would be STAR pistols. I always did like the PDs, BKMs. Way ahead of the times. Firestar plus series in 9mm were pretty good also. Now if I could find that one of a kind Firestar plus in 45?

Anybody say STARs?

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-3.jpg

mingaa
02-20-2012, 21:17
Arcus 94. I think I paid around $230 for it new. Everyone that shoots it comments on it's excellent accuracy.

It's been dehorned and refinished in this pic.

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL806/138216/250085/390140080.jpg

DW

News to me- nice lookin gun!

silverado
02-21-2012, 10:11
Looked in to the Armalite, seems very well made. Maybe the best put together of all the CZ type guns, but no support for them it seems.

RMTactical
02-21-2012, 16:53
Arcus 94. I think I paid around $230 for it new. Everyone that shoots it comments on it's excellent accuracy.

It's been dehorned and refinished in this pic.

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL806/138216/250085/390140080.jpg

DW

I had one of these. It was excellent for the money.

checkyoursix
02-21-2012, 18:59
Lots of good stuff here, I would add the Walther P99 AS to the list. While known, the gun never received half the attention it deserved and that now the PPQ is rightly getting.

Agree on the Bersa brand, the quality is really good and for the money an amazing bang for the buck.

AngryPanda
02-21-2012, 21:37
I've heard the Taurus revolvers are excellent but have heard mixed reviews of their autos.


Excellent is a bit much. They Can make a serviceable revolver when they try.

*ASH*
02-21-2012, 21:42
STEYR m40 m9 class .

very under appreciated .

i own a m40 and i like it better then my glock

oldnoob
02-22-2012, 00:21
From my personal experience.

Star 30MI
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/Star30MI.jpg
This is one of my favor pistol and it's so underrated that I can't believe a company manufactured this level of craftsmanship went out of business.

Taurus 92 series
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/TaurusPT92AFS.jpg
It carries Taurus' bad rep. But it's a very nicely build and designed pistol. I'm glad Taurus kept Beretta's original frame mount design. The only down side I can think of will be the ILS.

Bernardelli Model 60
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/VBernardelli.jpg
It's the most accurate and reliable pocket gun I ever shot.

rtl
02-22-2012, 12:08
Star P40
Tokarev TT-33
Makarov

SGT HATRED
02-22-2012, 12:16
Some interesting ones

SixkillerEnterprises
02-22-2012, 12:29
Daewoo DP51

CJStudent
02-22-2012, 12:40
Ruger P95, affordable, 9mm tackdriver only sold mine because I went to all DOA or striker with pistols. It's big - if you run out of ammo, use it as a hammer - you won't damage the gun!http://www.lipseys.com/eImages/kp95dpr.jpg :wow:

That was my agency's duty weapon at FLETC; a nice gun, but very fragile magazines.

AustinTx
02-22-2012, 12:41
Although I've never owned one.
I've heard lots of good things about various Taurus guns.
They sometimes buy old designs from Beretta.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/13/13586.jpg

I will take that over a Beretta or at least the equal. That pic gun, was made in Brazil using old Beretta, tooling, left over from a Brazilian military contract. When the Beretta contract was over, they just left the factory there. Too expensive to ship to Italy and they didn't need it.

I have 4 Taurus guns like that and they are excellent. I like the frame mounted safety, which is true to the original model 92 Beretta design. They can be carried cocked and locked, 1911, single action style.

Bodyarmorguy
02-22-2012, 12:56
The D&D Bren Ten......several great features shared with the CZ 75. Innovative barrel bushing that captured the front sight, making it easy to change. Could be carried cocked and locked or traditional DA. I had one of the Marksman Special Match versions in .45ACP, along with the original box, 3 working mags. I sent the owners manual to Jeff Cooper and he graciously autographed it for me. Wish I still had it.

It's demise I think was a product of poor business sense. Others have tried to reproduce it to no avail.

Plus Sonny Crockett had one.....how cools is that???!!!

checkyoursix
02-22-2012, 17:23
In my book if it is a Beretta factory and a Beretta design it's really not much of a Taurus is it? They might or might not be underrated, but that model per se proves very little.

banger
02-22-2012, 17:28
I agree with many of the prior posts, however, I would add the surplus Walther P-1's that are currently in the country.

The usually retail for the $350-400 range. Great pistols at a great price.

m2hmghb
02-22-2012, 17:30
S&W 4040PD. Short lived Gen3 .40 S&W cousin to the 3913 that had a Scandium frame to save weight.

I have one, and it's a great little shooter. It just never caught on, and S&W discontinued it after only a few years.

I never heard of any problems with it, other than some criticism of the magazine well. You had to punch the mag in pretty firmly or the first round could fail to feed.

I miss the 4040:crying: I always wanted one, but by the time I could think of getting one they were discontinued.

1canvas
02-22-2012, 17:42
i have an older taurus 445 stainless steel .44 special 5 shot 2'' snub i bought some years ago. the action is smooth as silk and its a tack driver for a snub. lots of power in a snub with Gold Dots without the blast of a magnum. i put wolf springs in it and it just made it better. i think i paid 325.00 for it.

Berto
02-22-2012, 18:10
The Star BM is a nice one

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2346/glockstarwesson003.jpg

The Arcus 94 is also great

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4142/bulgarianreport006.jpg

CVN76
02-29-2012, 15:57
From my personal experience.

Star 30MI
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/Star30MI.jpg
This is one of my favor pistol and it's so underrated that I can't believe a company manufactured this level of craftsmanship went out of business.
.

I have a Star 30MI and I think it is a great handgun. Very reliable. Do you know where I can get original magazines for it? I bought one aftermarket one, but it didn't fit right.

JDSTG58
02-29-2012, 16:25
........

mabgrac
02-29-2012, 17:19
Daewoo DP51


Loving my $200 Daewoo DP51C!

Alter-Ego
02-29-2012, 17:24
Yes I have two of them, BM models just had them refinished. A great value and a great pistol.

Anybody say STARs?

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-3.jpg

motorcyclist
02-29-2012, 17:56
FNP9m. It's an awesome all around gun. 15 rounds of fun, concealable, great ergos, great trigger, and superb reliability.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/mail-3-2.jpgI had desided to buy one of these and was disappointed to find FNH had discontinued them. I prefer compact size pistols. Came home with a Beretta PX4 compact and have NOT been disappointed in it! Great shooter. Another sleeper I can think of has been the ATI Beretta copies made in Turkey. I haven't heard anything bad about them.

crazymoose
02-29-2012, 18:54
Stoeger Couger 9mm's were going for $389 a couple of years ago. All the people I talked to who bought one was highly impressed with the bang for the buck.

Very true. When I owned one, I would regularly get 2.5"-3"offhand groups at 25 yards, and I'm far from a great marksman.

Fuerte
02-29-2012, 21:36
I have a CZ 75 "Tactical Sport." It is absolutely fantastic! Low recoil. Very light trigger pull. Amazingly accurate. While I doubt that it is rare, I have never seen another one. I purchased mine based on internet reviews. I was considering and researching a Sig X5 but stumbled on reviews stating that the CZ 75 TS is just as good at half the price. I ordered one without having seen or handled one. No regrets...

http://www.cz-usa.com/assets/cache/b3/d8/b3d89f8c00b67f9ea240b10a0deb0ded.png

JK-linux
02-29-2012, 22:38
I always thought the Baby Eagle was underrated. I especially like the 9mm "full size" metal frame with frame mounted safety version from the 1990's. The Tanfoglio Witness series is also a very nice CZ-inspired line that has a certain following. I'd mention the Norinco "Model of the 1911-A1", but I think most people recognize them as a pretty decent and functional GI-configuration 1911 clone. Heck, the Beretta 84 was a very nice and accurate, if not a bit large, .380 caliber pistol, in it's day. Just a bit big for what it brought to the party relative to 9mm's of similar size. If I lived in a country where .380 was the only option, I'd probably buy one.

wmspdi
02-29-2012, 22:40
Here's another vote for the Star PD .45 ACP. I owned one that I sent out to be AutoPorted by MagnaPort. I carried it for a few years stoked with Remington 185 gr +P JHP rounds. It was a beast to shoot with the +Ps in the alloy frame, hence the AutoPorting, but I liked it because the PD was a lot of power in a small light package.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
02-29-2012, 23:07
I have a CZ 75 "Tactical Sport." It is absolutely fantastic! Low recoil. Very light trigger pull. Amazingly accurate. While I doubt that it is rare, I have never seen another one. I purchased mine based on internet reviews. I was considering and researching a Sig X5 but stumbled on reviews stating that the CZ 75 TS is just as good at half the price. I ordered one without having seen or handled one. No regrets...

http://www.cz-usa.com/assets/cache/b3/d8/b3d89f8c00b67f9ea240b10a0deb0ded.png


The tactical sport is an awesome gun :thumbsup:

Bilbo Bagins
03-01-2012, 07:39
Bersa/Firestorms... Walther clones, for the most part.

+1

Not a lot of people know that Bersa introduced a .22 version of there .380 PPK clone. I have been eyeballing them at the local gun shop. Its built like a tank, easy to clean, and a perfect size.

http://www.gunblast.com/Bersa-Thunder22.htm

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Bersa-Thunder22/DSC00064.JPG

1gewehr
03-01-2012, 10:56
Star PD .45 and Star BKS 'Starlight' 9mm. Slim, light, accurate and reliable. What's not to like?

oldnoob
03-01-2012, 13:25
I have a Star 30MI and I think it is a great handgun. Very reliable. Do you know where I can get original magazines for it? I bought one aftermarket one, but it didn't fit right.

The factory mag is near impossible to find. I know triple K and pro mag both make aftermarket mag for Star 30M/MI. I knew a guy that import factory Star mag from Span but it cost somewhere around $60~75. Shoot me a pm to remind me to dig out my emails.

brickboy240
03-01-2012, 13:45
After going over one this week...I vote the Walther PPQ as sleeper gun of the year.

Neither of my Glocks or the XD has this good of a trigger..and I have had all worked on. The PPQ trigger right out of the box is amazing.

Another sleeper is probably the Caracal.

Both the Caracal and PPQ are what the Glock gen 4 SHOULD have been.

- brickboy240

CVN76
03-01-2012, 15:40
The factory mag is near impossible to find. I know triple K and pro mag both make aftermarket mag for Star 30M/MI. I knew a guy that import factory Star mag from Span but it cost somewhere around $60~75. Shoot me a pm to remind me to dig out my emails.


Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. It's a really solid gun, but I only own one magazine for it. I have had it for a long time, but I just recently started looking for another mag.

[It is more reliable than my two Glock Gen 4s, that need new ejectors.]

Lew-G17
03-01-2012, 16:43
Sig P6 is probably the best cheap pistol I ever bought. Never paid more than $350 for one and it's a SIG!

ddbtoth
03-01-2012, 18:19
Sig P6 is probably the best cheap pistol I ever bought. Never paid more than $350 for one and it's a SIG!

I like the newer 2022s-very reliable guns, good triggers, and considered inferior than the much vaulted P lines (or even that abortion P250). Pick them up for less than $400.

WarEagle32
03-01-2012, 22:35
The undisputed heavyweight champion of under rated handguns is the CZ 75 family. Unless you follow guns odds are you have probably never heard of them. Dollar for dollar and possibly even overall they are the best pistols on the face of the Earth!

RYT 2BER
03-01-2012, 22:35
Underrated is an understatement


http://i41.tinypic.com/250l6rd.jpeg

badge315
03-01-2012, 23:14
S&W Model 12 Airweight...basically a 2", alloy-framed Model 10. It is more controllable (in my hands) due to the larger grip and it carries one extra round in a package that weighs hardly any more than an airweight J-frame. Shown here with a Tyler T-Grip...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/SWM12.jpg

AustinTx
03-02-2012, 01:56
In my book if it is a Beretta factory and a Beretta design it's really not much of a Taurus is it? They might or might not be underrated, but that model per se proves very little.

I also have a Taurus Raging Bull, in 454 Casull and it's also an excellent gun. It's more comfortable to shoot than my S&W Model 29 (44 Magnum). Its about 15 years old and I have never had a problem with it. The polish and blue looks as good as the old S&W guns. It's timing is as good as when new.

Curjo
03-02-2012, 08:04
I like the newer 2022s-very reliable guns, good triggers, and considered inferior than the much vaulted P lines (or even that abortion P250). Pick them up for less than $400.

I agree I just picked A 2022 off gunbroker for $343 and it's an awesome gun. True sig quality through and through. DA isn't the best but the SA is very good.

KalashniKEV
03-02-2012, 08:15
The undisputed heavyweight champion of under rated handguns is the CZ 75 family. Unless you follow guns odds are you have probably never heard of them. Dollar for dollar and possibly even overall they are the best pistols on the face of the Earth!

+1

I got one of the Turkish military contract overruns in the 90s. I paid $335.

It has been great over 1000s of rounds, and luckily no slide stop breakage issues.

It's still my #1 pistol to shoot at distance.

Dr. Leaky
03-02-2012, 12:57
I gotta go with the P-83 Wanad from Poland. It's a very sturdy gun, which was surprising given its stamped components. Looks like there were only a few brought over since I haven't seen them for sale since I got mine. I am usually carrying either this on my belt or a pocket gun and I'm just really impressed.

oldnoob
03-02-2012, 14:24
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. It's a really solid gun, but I only own one magazine for it. I have had it for a long time, but I just recently started looking for another mag.

[It is more reliable than my two Glock Gen 4s, that need new ejectors.]

No problem. Which aftermarket mag do you have (Triple K or Pro mag)? The one I have was a triple k. It's reliable so far but it need to tap it really hard in order for the mag to fully insert.

My Star 30MI is trully an amazing pistol. I enjoying it even more so than my CZ 75SA.

Glock Authority
03-02-2012, 14:50
I bought an FEG .380 about 15 yrs ago that is a very reliable and accurate gun. It looks like a Walther. It was 220.00.


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Thx-1138
03-02-2012, 15:20
Springfield Defender .45 GAP (http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/01/03/handgun_reviews_springfield_defender_030306/) and the Para-Ordinance Carry GAP (http://ezine.m1911.org/POGAP_frame.htm).

Because people with small hands deserve a single-stack .45 with a smaller grip than your typical 1911.

CVN76
03-02-2012, 16:04
No problem. Which aftermarket mag do you have (Triple K or Pro mag)? The one I have was a triple k. It's reliable so far but it need to tap it really hard in order for the mag to fully insert.

My Star 30MI is trully an amazing pistol. I enjoying it even more so than my CZ 75SA.

I don't think it's a Triple K or Pro mag. I think it's a, I got ripped off mag. It is close, but not good enough to use for me. I think it is slightly too wide at the top and it is really hard to use. I wish mags were easy to find for my Star 30MI, I almost sold it once because of the lack of availability of mags, but I like the gun too much. (And it was a given to me as a gift several years ago, so I am going to keep it.)

willie_pete
03-02-2012, 17:39
GyroJet; probably a pain in the but to reload for though.

WP

oldnoob
03-02-2012, 17:57
I don't think it's a Triple K or Pro mag. I think it's a, I got ripped off mag.

:rofl:

Don't ever get rid of this gun. You will never see it again.

Decguns
03-02-2012, 18:02
The Daewoo DP51 & DP51C definitely deserved more press than they got. Excellent handguns. Same about the Arcus series & Argentine P90 Hi-Powers. Once Taurus upgraded to CNC, their guns became top notch leaving the Rossi brand name as their economy line. All under-rated.

FNH FNX Series is superb and made in the USA...
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n636/worland/100_0273.jpg

Astra A-75 was a $230 9mm/40S&W/45ACP series that was amazingly accurate and reliable...
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n636/worland/100_0306.jpg

Phoenix HP-22... a rather good quality, all steel 22LR with standard & "target" length barrels...
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n636/worland/100_0223.jpg

TexasVine
03-02-2012, 18:06
Dan Wesson revolvers just don't seem to have much of a showing on most of the forums. Fantastic trigger and a very accurate firearm.
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo36/Klozures/DSC_0028-2.jpg

Buckeye63
03-03-2012, 22:52
http://onfinite.com/libraries/1728614/5c0.jpg

Dan Wesson M 14 357 Mag.

http://onfinite.com/libraries/1672467/20b.jpg

Charter Arms 44 Spl. Bulldog these gun are a great big bore carry gun

CVN76
04-02-2012, 12:56
:rofl:

Don't ever get rid of this gun. You will never see it again.

I just received two original and brand new 30M magazines in the mail today. I bought them from IPAR Guns in Spain. They fit perfectly.
http://www.iparguns.com/ing/index.htm

chemcmndr
04-02-2012, 20:01
I'm going to say the MKE AT-94P and AT-94K. Two handguns that were copies of the H&K MP5 and MP5K respectively. Made on H&K tooling and the 94P had a 16" barrel, so it could be easily converted to a carbine by adding a stock and 922R parts.

Powder
04-02-2012, 20:20
Steyr C9-A1http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=223729&d=1331598547

Tony Rumore
04-03-2012, 16:16
Jeez....as far as butt ugly guns go, I never thought anyone could out do Hi Point, but the guys at Steyr were able to pull it off with that one.

ddbtoth
04-03-2012, 16:23
Jeez....as far as butt ugly guns go, I never thought anyone could out do Hi Point, but the guys at Steyr were able to pull it off with that one.

Hell of a shooter though. On my short list.

RYT 2BER
04-03-2012, 18:17
Jeez....as far as butt ugly guns go, I never thought anyone could out do Hi Point, but the guys at Steyr were able to pull it off with that one.

Funny... I always thought the steyr looked amazing... I guess that what makes us individuals....

ChuteTheMall
04-03-2012, 18:38
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/shooboy/002-11.jpg
Another vote for the Phoenix HP22

hogship
04-03-2012, 19:25
Underrated is an understatement


http://i41.tinypic.com/250l6rd.jpeg

I agree......would not sell mine. All steel, full length guide rails.......reliable++++

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/268425491.jpg

nathanours
04-03-2012, 20:13
Can't beat one of these for $240.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss199/glock19_9mm/IMAG0048.jpg

oldnoob
04-04-2012, 00:02
Jeez....as far as butt ugly guns go, I never thought anyone could out do Hi Point, but the guys at Steyr were able to pull it off with that one.

I like how my M40A1 looks. But obviously we have different taste.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/Steyrleft.jpg

TSAX
04-04-2012, 01:13
I like the newer 2022s-very reliable guns, good triggers, and considered inferior than the much vaulted P lines (or even that abortion P250). Pick them up for less than $400.


:agree:, the newer Sig P2022's especially for $399.








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PlasticGuy
04-04-2012, 11:17
Walther P5 for sure.

It never did well as the duty pistol is tas designed to be. However, it is one of the very best ccw pistols I have ever owned.

concretefuzzynuts
04-04-2012, 12:29
Astra A-75. Great gun, I had the.40 and .45. I'm sorry I ever sold them.

sr556m9
04-04-2012, 14:08
I believe the Beretta px4 storm series of pistols and the ruger p series pistols are definite sleepers. These are both extremely well made guns that a lot of shooters don't really know about.

series1811
04-04-2012, 14:12
Ruger used to have a Blackhawk in .30 carbine. Back when I had a .30 M-1 carbine in college, I thought it would be cool to own one. Then I had to sell the M-1 and I didn't see the point any more. :)

arclight610
04-04-2012, 16:20
:agree:, the newer Sig P2022's especially for $399.








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$399? Palmetto State Armory is selling them for $349!

mac66
04-04-2012, 17:24
The D&D Bren Ten......several great features shared with the CZ 75. Innovative barrel bushing that captured the front sight, making it easy to change. Could be carried cocked and locked or traditional DA. I had one of the Marksman Special Match versions in .45ACP, along with the original box, 3 working mags. I sent the owners manual to Jeff Cooper and he graciously autographed it for me. Wish I still had it.

It's demise I think was a product of poor business sense. Others have tried to reproduce it to no avail.

Plus Sonny Crockett had one.....how cools is that???!!!

Except as Cooper would say about other things "it was a solution to a problem that didn't exist". Another one of Col. Jeff's exercises in mental masturebation.

rich52us
04-04-2012, 17:54
H & K P7. It's the most accurate pistol I own. It carries well I/W.

257 roberts
04-04-2012, 18:10
Anybody say STARs?

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-3.jpg
I carried a PD as an off-duty gun back in the early 80's

Spike52
04-04-2012, 18:11
Pistolet Makarova ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Pistolet_makarova_pm_travmatik_com_by-sa.jpg )
Little Ruskiy 8+1 pistol (loosely styled after Walther PPK back in the 50's), chambered in 9x18mm (or "9mm Makarov"), or occasionally in .380.

Mild enough round, but a great little BUG. With the fixed bbl design, it's silly how accurate they are. Only a handful of parts in the whole gun -- leisurely tear it down to bare frame, clean & reassemble in under an hour -- feel like a "Master Gunsmith". Beat up old Bulgarian models go for about $225-250 around here.

I have a couple. Hammered old Bulgie "toolbox" gun and a nicer Russian commercial make with adjustable sight; both in 9Mak.

Some kind of fun to shoot. They love stinky, Russian steel cased ammo and, unmodified, sling empties into low orbit.

-S

257 roberts
04-04-2012, 18:17
S&W Model 12 Airweight...basically a 2", alloy-framed Model 10. It is more controllable (in my hands) due to the larger grip and it carries one extra round in a package that weighs hardly any more than an airweight J-frame. Shown here with a Tyler T-Grip...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/SWM12.jpg
one of the holy grails of the handgun world!!!!

countrygun
04-04-2012, 18:28
Well I didn't want to jinx my chances of getting a Star PD by mentioning it, it isn't a big enough secret I guess. Some of my favorites have been mentioned but I do have one left on my "bucket list" The Benelli B-76. It was a terrific single stack 9mm that came out as the doublestacks were taking the market. It was full sized and apparently no one wanted a full sized single stack 9mm with fantastic ergonomics, all of the controls right where they should be (for a righty) and terrific accuracy.

unit1069
04-04-2012, 19:05
Steyr C9-A1http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=223729&d=1331598547

I've never seen a C9-A1 but I'm completely sold on my Steyr S9-A1.

Here's my experience and review of these excellent Austrian pistols (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1352008&highlight=import+steyr+s9-a1).

arclight610
04-04-2012, 19:35
Pistolet Makarova ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Pistolet_makarova_pm_travmatik_com_by-sa.jpg )
Little Ruskiy 8+1 pistol (loosely styled after Walther PPK back in the 50's), chambered in 9x18mm (or "9mm Makarov"), or occasionally in .380.

Mild enough round, but a great little BUG. With the fixed bbl design, it's silly how accurate they are. Only a handful of parts in the whole gun -- leisurely tear it down to bare frame, clean & reassemble in under an hour -- feel like a "Master Gunsmith". Beat up old Bulgarian models go for about $225-250 around here.

I have a couple. Hammered old Bulgie "toolbox" gun and a nicer Russian commercial make with adjustable sight; both in 9Mak.

Some kind of fun to shoot. They love stinky, Russian steel cased ammo and, unmodified, sling empties into low orbit.

-S

I'm thinking about picking one up. Widener's has a Bulgarian with 2 mags for $209.

SC Tiger
04-05-2012, 07:28
Pistolet Makarova (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Pistolet_makarova_pm_travmatik_com_by-sa.jpg)
Little Ruskiy 8+1 pistol (loosely styled after Walther PPK back in the 50's), chambered in 9x18mm (or "9mm Makarov"), or occasionally in .380.

Mild enough round, but a great little BUG. With the fixed bbl design, it's silly how accurate they are. Only a handful of parts in the whole gun -- leisurely tear it down to bare frame, clean & reassemble in under an hour -- feel like a "Master Gunsmith". Beat up old Bulgarian models go for about $225-250 around here.

I have a couple. Hammered old Bulgie "toolbox" gun and a nicer Russian commercial make with adjustable sight; both in 9Mak.

Some kind of fun to shoot. They love stinky, Russian steel cased ammo and, unmodified, sling empties into low orbit.

-S


Question on those - I've heard that the 9x18 ones will work with .380 ammo. Since I've never even seen a 9mm Makarov round I can't say. Sure wouldn't want to be the first to try it (though I doubt the .380 makes enough pressure to be a danger).

SC Tiger
04-05-2012, 07:29
One I don't hear much about is Freedom Arms. They make a fine revolver (probably the best SA revolver made) but are VERY expensive. I handled one last weekend - workmanship was some of the best I've ever seen but used it was $1800.00. That's a good thing because had it been cheaper I would have probably brought it home. I'm guessing that once S&W took the "world's most powerful handgun) title from them their popularity went down. I would love to have one in .44 magnum.

I also learned some gun stores don't carry them because of a liability issue, which could leave the gun store liable for a failed gun (or at least the stores think it could).

The Baby Eagle mentioned earlier is another good example.

carbuncle
04-05-2012, 08:35
I loved the Star Firestar, I need to grab a Starvel model sometime: very fun gun to shoot.

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brisk21
04-05-2012, 09:02
I never really understood how FN gets so little press. They are such a big company and so involved in U.S. Military firearms production, you'd think they would be the most popular company. Especially with the history of JMB involved. Still, alot of people don't seem to care. Everyone just wants Glocks, XDs and 1911s.

Spike52
04-05-2012, 11:19
Question on those - I've heard that the 9x18 ones will work with .380 ammo. Since I've never even seen a 9mm Makarov round I can't say. Sure wouldn't want to be the first to try it (though I doubt the .380 makes enough pressure to be a danger).

Well, SCT, you certainly wouldn't be the first. 9mm Browning Short will "work" in a 9Mak chamber (I hear tell -- I've never bothered to try), but I'd avoid it. The 9x18 bullet is not the same. Actually closer to 9.2mms. The .380 is sloppy, but I've heard it will rattle down the tube okay, much to the detriment of accuracy.
.380 is a slightly lower pressure than 9Mak, so I don't know that it's a safety issue. Then again, I'd question the chamber seal. No worries about the converse: a 9Mak cartridge will not fit in a .380 chamber.

Since the fat 9Mak is the marginally spicier round (and about half the cost), I don't know why a person would attempt to mix and match. Only shoot ammo for which a gun is chambered. So as I said, I'd avoid it. Curiosity killed the cat, hm?

.380 Makarovs are in circulation, if it's your preference.

HTH.

And, btw, Go Gamecocks!
(Sorry. Had to. ;) Uncle went to USC.)

-S

L Pete
04-05-2012, 14:12
Most bang for the buck, with out doubt........Ruger P95. Sturdy built, and I do mean sturdy, and at around $300.......what's not to love?

Spike52
04-05-2012, 14:17
Most bang for the buck, with out doubt........Ruger P95. Sturdy built, and I do mean sturdy, and at around $300.......what's not to love?

Had a friend who'd agree. Built like a tank and just utterly fails to fail.
:thumbup:
-S

MinnesnowtaWild
04-05-2012, 14:17
I never really understood how FN gets so little press. They are such a big company and so involved in U.S. Military firearms production, you'd think they would be the most popular company. Especially with the history of JMB involved. Still, alot of people don't seem to care. Everyone just wants Glocks, XDs and 1911s.

It is quite confusing, but very true. FN Herstal seems like a great pistol maker but nobody seems to care.

brisk21
04-05-2012, 22:12
It is quite confusing, but very true. FN Herstal seems like a great pistol maker but nobody seems to care.


Yeah. You hear more about Taurus and Kel-Tec than FN!! I would understand if FN didn't seem to care about the civilian market, but that isn't the case. They have pro shooters, commericals and adds in magazines just like other companies.

Hamilton Burger
04-06-2012, 00:02
Can't beat one of these for $240.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss199/glock19_9mm/IMAG0048.jpg

$169
http://i40.tinypic.com/25581oz.jpg

:thumbsup:

Spike52
04-06-2012, 00:42
A little Mak oneupsmanship... Nice. :D

I think I recognize that Mak, Mr. Burger... if that is your real name. ;)

-S

glock2740
04-06-2012, 00:49
Ruger P95, affordable, 9mm tackdriver only sold mine because I went to all DOA or striker with pistols. It's big - if you run out of ammo, use it as a hammer - you won't damage the gun!http://www.lipseys.com/eImages/kp95dpr.jpg :wow:
Those are great little tanks.

arclight610
04-06-2012, 00:50
$169

:thumbsup:

Please stop posting pics of Maks. Each one pushes me closer to the edge of buying one, and I have summer tuition to pay for.

glock2740
04-06-2012, 00:52
Star Firestar M40 was my second ever handgun. Great gun. I traded it to a very close friend, to "keep it in the family". Still get to shoot it. :) He was with me the night I bought it and has always wanted it. Now he's got it. :cool:

TSAX
04-06-2012, 01:37
$399? Palmetto State Armory is selling them for $349!

An even better deal, curious are they the A (older) or B (newer) version.







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arclight610
04-06-2012, 01:40
An even better deal, curious are they the A (older) or B (newer) version.







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New. They just ran out of .40s yesterday. Only 9mm left.

.45Super-Man
04-06-2012, 01:58
The zastava CZ99 and its offspring have become my favorite 'sleepers', by far! If you're a SIG fan, you owe it to yourself to checkout the most recent version(EZ9/40).

bullgator
06-25-2012, 18:18
I have Daewoo DH40 .40 cal, 11+1 capacity. S Korea took Smith and made it with better trigger system and great to shoot with accuracy. Also, Tangfoglio TZ75 blue steel, 4" barrel, 17 rd capacity.

oldnoob
06-25-2012, 18:26
I loved the Star Firestar, I need to grab a Starvel model sometime: very fun gun to shoot.

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Agree. I figure, the parts will be difficult to find. So I better grab two of each model that I like. I need another one for Star 30M/MI.

oldnoob
06-25-2012, 18:30
Star Firestar M40 was my second ever handgun. Great gun. I traded it to a very close friend, to "keep it in the family". Still get to shoot it. :) He was with me the night I bought it and has always wanted it. Now he's got it. :cool:

I need to grab two of those. I handle one before and it's like a mini tank. Solid, heavy, and in a compact package.

platform
04-29-2013, 18:55
sorry for restarting the old thread. but it is a great thread -- has all the 'features' of the gear discussion I like: low price, high quality, undervalued gems.

So now adding
the new Zastava m57a tokarevs (yugo tokarev mags, 4.5 inch barrel, much better properly engineered safety on the slide, very thin, excellent finish, and shoots the fireball tokarev.. and hopefully somebody will make 9mm barrels for it.)

they are 249 now with two mags.

I saw somebody already mentioned Arcus p94 -- hp clone (barrels/mags fit but the slide and .22 conversion kits do not)


Another one is RIA .22 TCM -- I like it because it is a double stack 2011 with 18 rounds mags that can take 9mm and .22 TCM. The gun comes with two barrels (and springs) so you can shoot either. .22 TCM is a rare cartridge still (but is based on .223 case so with time I hope the round catches on and will compete well with the 5.7x28).
Price wise it was high 500s from centerfire. So I do not particullary find it 'low price'. But with two barrels all steel platform with single action trigger -- the price is reasonable

moeman
04-29-2013, 22:54
5 pages of posts and not one rifle or shotgun?

So I guess the sleeper gun is any rifle or shotgun here.

...MAS 49/56...

Edit: oops now realize this was a handgun thread. My bad.

Maine
04-30-2013, 13:41
I haven't seen any mention of Llama. My cousin had one years ago in .40 that I don't think ever saw a single cleaning in its life. Through thousands of rounds and countless nights of being left outside in a truck bed, that gun never had a single stoppage that I witnessed or heard of.

86brick
04-30-2013, 13:55
The zastava CZ99 and its offspring have become my favorite 'sleepers', by far! If you're a SIG fan, you owe it to yourself to checkout the most recent version(EZ9/40).

Anybody who has shot my father's Zastava EZ9 is amazed at how much it is like a SIG especially in terms of how good it feels in the hand and how accurate it is. It's also been a very reliable pistol and is very well built. You can tell it was made with the intention of going to war.

Pier23
04-30-2013, 14:55
STEYR m40 m9 class .

very under appreciated .

i own a m40 and i like it better then my glock

Have one of each..TOTALLY agree. Steyr does not get the recognition it deserves.

Pier23
04-30-2013, 14:59
The Steyr GB 9mm. The first ones came into the US in 1981 and had an 18 round magazine. :wow:

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Steyr_GB

!!!!!!!!!!!

If they could only get clean.........

Pier23
04-30-2013, 15:04
I like how my M40A1 looks. But obviously we have different taste.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/Steyrleft.jpg

Basically a Glock that fits the hand with AMAZING sights. Yeah, Im a fan also.

bac1023
04-30-2013, 19:28
I also like the Steyr M series pistols.