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Glock 1
02-21-2012, 16:26
I have been reading about AR's and I am just about ready to buy in about a week. I need opinions.

Let's say you have 1100 dollars as a budget and I want to buy new. Must be .223. Not including optics, ammo and mags, what would you buy?

NeverMore1701
02-21-2012, 16:38
For $1100 you shouldn't have any problems getting into a BCM, DD, Colt, or possibly a Noveske.

zhix
02-21-2012, 16:44
Colt, 6920.

RMTactical
02-21-2012, 16:51
Congrats. I recommend a BCM.

01coltcolt
02-21-2012, 16:52
I'd buy a Del-ton kit for $450 from classicarms.us then a stripped Surplus Arms key hole lower for $59.00, a Magpul mag for $15.00, a Magpul rear sight for $55.00 all from Aimsurplus.com that's a total: $579.00 an your transfer fee. Use the extra $500 for a quality optic.

G36's Rule
02-21-2012, 17:08
I really wish people would type out names. DD? BCM?

01coltcolt, thanks for that site. Too bad they are out of all the lowers.

Glock 1
02-21-2012, 17:10
This is one I am entertaining. I will be adding optics asap.

http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWVMF16M4ORC.asp

I will post the Bravo Company and Daniel Defense I also like.

AZnine
02-21-2012, 17:11
Colt 6920

NeverMore1701
02-21-2012, 17:13
Bravo Company Manufacturing, Daniel Defense.

Don't you dare get a Bushy/Stag/RRA/Oly etc for that kind of money....

Glock 1
02-21-2012, 17:15
I'd buy a Del-ton kit for $450 from classicarms.us then a stripped Surplus Arms key hole lower for $59.00, a Magpul mag for $15.00, a Magpul rear sight for $55.00 all from Aimsurplus.com that's a total: $579.00 an your transfer fee. Use the extra $500 for a quality optic.

Just read this. I will look into that for sure. I have no transfer fee so this looks like a good idea.

G19freak
02-21-2012, 17:25
Colt 6920

Glock 1
02-21-2012, 18:27
I do have a 6920 on my list. Its the LE6920.

Teecher45
02-21-2012, 18:55
Colt 6920
Yep:wavey:
I spent 6 months doing research and talking to people that carried them to protect themselves. I haven't regreted it one little bit.

Krug
02-21-2012, 19:38
Rock River Arms!

NeverMore1701
02-21-2012, 19:47
Rock River Arms!

For $1100? No damn way.

Kloogee
02-21-2012, 20:24
For $1100 you shouldn't have any problems getting into a BCM, DD, Colt, or possibly a Noveske.

Where do you see a DD or Noveske for anywhere near $1100? If you have sources, let me know as I'm in the market and would love to get one of those at that price.

NeverMore1701
02-21-2012, 20:43
Where do you see a DD or Noveske for anywhere near $1100? If you have sources, let me know as I'm in the market and would love to get one of those at that price.

You're right, looks like DDs are up to about $1200, it's been a while since I've priced ARs. Can get a Noveske upper for $785 and have $315 left over to build a perfectly fine lower.

A'boy
02-21-2012, 21:17
gandrtactical.com


He's out now but when he gets them in they go fast. 6920 under $1k, DD for $1200.

glfpunk
02-21-2012, 21:19
Palmetto State Armory uppers are very good quality. On par with the higher end stuff and include a lot of the higher end options but at a lower price.

I'm putting together a PSA mid-length upper and a Spikes lower and adding some typical extras like MOE stock and miad grip and probably a Troy buis and quad rail hand guard and will get out for about $800 which would leave me well under that budget unless I were to factor in an Eotech.

bulletandgrunt
02-21-2012, 21:39
I'd buy a Del-ton kit for $450 from classicarms.us then a stripped Surplus Arms key hole lower for $59.00, a Magpul mag for $15.00, a Magpul rear sight for $55.00 all from Aimsurplus.com that's a total: $579.00 an your transfer fee. Use the extra $500 for a quality optic.


Man, I checked that out. That is great. I'm now stuck between a G30 and doing this......damn the choices in life:crying:

12131
02-21-2012, 22:31
I do have a 6920 on my list. Its the LE6920.
Make sure it's ok to buy the LE model. Those LE only markings could be off limit to civis, where you are.






























I hope you have some sense of humor and not go postal on me again. :supergrin::tongueout:

GLOCK24-7
02-21-2012, 22:38
1: Stag Arms M2

2: BCM

3: DPMS AP4

Glock 1
02-22-2012, 07:36
Make sure it's ok to buy the LE model. Those LE only markings could be off limit to civis, where you are.


I hope you have some sense of humor and not go postal on me again. :supergrin::tongueout:

:rofl: I was reading that thinking didn't we just have that discussion? lol.

I have decided to go with the 6920 but since I am new to rifles, I do have one question. I want to put new furniture on it. I trust the Colt stuff and front sight are removable or will I need a new upper?

I have a book for these things on its way (downloading to my Nook) and have been watching a bunch of Youtube videos.

There is alot of good info out there but there are also alot of personal likes and dislikes passed on as factual information. I think the Colt is my best bet for my own happiness but I want to go flat top with optics and quad rail 10-12" free floating guard as well. I know its probably a stupid question but it would be even more stupid if I did not ask before I bought it.

JoeCitizen
02-22-2012, 09:46
Since you will be new to AR's I recommend the Colt 6920. It's a solid rifle that's no frills and of predictable quality.

In my opinion another big consideration for you, since you've never owned an AR, is resale value. If you own it for a few years, shoot it some and decide it's not for you, EVERYBODY has heard of Colt. Someone looking to buy your rifle that's never owned a gun at all will recognize the name Colt. Or you may be selling it to upgrade to something like a Daniel Defence. The Colt name helps with resale value regardless of how some may feel about it's quality. I have a Colt AR and am very well pleased with it. It's one of those "I'll never part with it" guns of mine.

zhix
02-22-2012, 10:14
^ Exactly.

Even knowing all the AR brands, I would not pay a higher price if I was going to by one used, except for a Colt (depending on model & condition).

As far as putting on a rail that goes over the gas block, you will have to knock out the pins and install a low profile block, or you could cut the stock front sight base, but I wouldn't do that.
The pins may be straight or tapered, may or may not be hard to remove. Depends on how comfortable you are with doing it yourself; if you have someone else do it, make sure they know what they're doing and how much it will cost first.
I personally like keeping my 6920 close to stock, I have other ARs set up differently. I would wait awhile, see if you like the gun, then figure what you may want to modify.
If you contract BRD you will just end up buying/building more rifles & uppers anyway.

Glock 1
02-22-2012, 11:05
My first AR to own but not the first to shoot. I shot a Shorty Sport model a few years back and was told that I laughed maniacally the whole time while obliterating a 10 foot tall 3 feet wide roll of duct tape. Yes, I said duct tape, long story.

I have wanted an AR of my own since then. There are not a lot of guns that I feel so adamantly about. My old stainless Colt Commander, my Glock 21, 26, and 27, and that AR are the only ones so far. Everytime I look at a gun all I can think about is “saving my money and getting that AR I have always wanted.” It is time to make that a reality.

In retrospect, keeping the Colt stock is a good idea. After watching some of the youtube videos they are really easy to breakdown and as you pointed out, I will end up building a custom one.

BulldawgGlock
02-22-2012, 11:14
Colt 6920

TnGlocker12
02-22-2012, 11:30
Any of the Colt 6920 models.

F_G
02-23-2012, 07:44
Colt or BCM for that kind of money. I really like the couple of BCM mid-lengths I have.

vram74
02-23-2012, 21:52
Don't think, just do it!



Colt 6920 AR15 Rifle, Best AR for $1000? - YouTube

G19freak
02-23-2012, 22:50
That Colt is fighting rifle that's not meant to come apart---that's the whole point, its built tough to withstand rigors that will cause other rifles to fail. The flat top does scream for an Aimpoint + a rear BUIS though.

Keep the Colt stock and then build a fun rifle with all the doo-dads you can think of adding on.

I built a fun rifle using quality parts ---its a nice gun but no where near as tough as my Colt, which I bought expressly for a SHTF rifle----my Franken-rifle will be the back-up---unless I go get another Colt.

TxGlock9
02-23-2012, 23:28
Sig516

daddysnapmuffins
02-24-2012, 00:46
Colt, LMT, BCM, or DD.

Glock 1
02-24-2012, 06:55
It is done. the LE6920 is on its way to me now. I should have it early next week. :supergrin:

Glock 1
02-24-2012, 07:02
Don't think, just do it!



Colt 6920 AR15 Rifle, Best AR for $1000? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBj0tesg3SY&feature=plcp&context=C3ef04efUDOEgsToPDskL6f3D6wkz7j5oRYDidOaXY)

Very informative! Thanks for the video!

NeverMore1701
02-24-2012, 11:33
It is done. the LE6920 is on its way to me now. I should have it early next week. :supergrin:

Outstanding choice :thumbsup:

BBJones
02-24-2012, 16:46
That Colt is fighting rifle that's not meant to come apart---that's the whole point, its built tough to withstand rigors that will cause other rifles to fail.

:upeyes: Good story bro.

01coltcolt
02-24-2012, 17:27
01coltcolt, thanks for that site. Too bad they are out of all the lowers.

Thats what I get for telling my secrets:crying: My buddy wants me to do a build for him.

G36's Rule
02-24-2012, 17:47
Have you had good luck with the Del-Ton? I work with a guy that hates them. Got a bad barrel and they would not do anything to correct it.

Glock 1
02-24-2012, 20:29
Oh good Lord. the accessories are cheaper than I expected. Looks like it shopping time. Troy and Magpul are about to get more of my money. I love guns. :supergrin:

01coltcolt
02-24-2012, 20:42
Have you had good luck with the Del-Ton? I work with a guy that hates them. Got a bad barrel and they would not do anything to correct it.

Nope, crazy thing is Ive built 20+ of their kits. That sucks about the barrel. What exactly was wrong with it?

Glock 1
03-06-2012, 10:28
Got the new AR. pics here. posted yesterday. http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1403760

Decguns
03-06-2012, 10:33
According to two of my wholesalers, Colt no longer marks their rifles LE. They're all SPs now. Get the LE marked one while you can, I guess. The wholesale price on the 6920 has dropped down below $950. Bad news for collectors, good news for those who want a Colt.

Big Mad Dawg
03-06-2012, 11:49
LMT are worth looking at but build your own it's easy and a good way to know your rifle

WayaX
03-06-2012, 12:16
So you're probably getting really confused with some of these people throwing up their favorite pet brand (Stag, DPMS, Del-ton, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, blah blah blah).

Go here: www.m4carbine.net

read the stickies, become informed.

Then, buy a quality rifle (there are many manufacturers that product quality rifles, most have been mentioned somewhere in the thread): Colt, Daniel Defense (DD), Bravo Company Manufacturing (BCM), Lewis Machine and Tool (LMT), and Noveske. Most of these fall between $900-$1200 for a basic rifle.

Next, if your rifle doesn't come with them, get quality sights (and a quality optic if you can afford it). Get a sling (Blue Force Gear or Viking Tactics preferably). Get some extra magazines, and ammo. While you're at it, pick up a copy of "Green Eyes, Black Rifles" by Kyle Lamb (probably the most important thing I've listed so far).

Then, go to the range and zero your rifle (irons and optic). Finally take a class from one of the many knowledgeable instructors out there such as Larry Vickers, Kyle Lamb, or Travis Haley (there are many more, you can find links to their companies on m4carbine.net).

stumpjumper
03-06-2012, 12:53
I, too, am making the move to an AR, but have decided to try a PSA kit and make up the difference in ammo.

Haldor
03-06-2012, 21:01
If I had $1100 to spend on an AR15 I would get a Colt LE6920.

http://www.colt.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=A0ejEoU_NU4%3d&tabid=73&mid=458

I love my Colt R6500 (preban, AR15-A2, 20" barrel). Accurate, fun to shoot, reliable. Has all the bad boy features (bayonet lug, flash hider).

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh168/HaldorPhil/Guns/P1010417.jpg

Of course an L1A1 (FAL) is lots of fun too.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh168/HaldorPhil/Guns/P1010333.jpg

Got the R6500 and the L1A1 this winter. Got a great deal on them too ($1200 for the pair, including 200 rounds of surplus 7.62x51 and a BDC 3x scope).

glfpunk
03-06-2012, 22:58
I, too, am making the move to an AR, but have decided to try a PSA kit and make up the difference in ammo.

That's a good choice. PSA makes high quality rifles and kits

Wolf Spyder
03-07-2012, 14:39
I have a Word Doc complete with pictures that explains all the in's and out's of buying or building your first "Hard Use" AR15. I basically compiled years worth of information into one document. I have often emailed this doc to family and friends who are looking at their first AR15.

It explains different gas system lengths, barrel twist rates, the different feed ramps styles, the Mil-Spec 11595E - Barrel Steel guild lines, HPT / MP Inspected Barrels, the difference in chambers .223 vs. 5.56, Shot Peened & HPT / MP Inspected Bolt and Carriers, Properly Staked Gas Key, Mil-Spec F-Marked Forged Front Sight Bases, Receiver Extensions Civi vs. Mil Spec, the difference in the Upper Receivers A2 vs. Flat Tops, and much much more.

Towards the end I offer this;

"Brands that follow All, or Almost All of these “Mil-Spec” guide lines are as follows;
Colt model “6920”
BCM model “M4”
Daniel Defense model “M4-XV”
Noveske model “N4”
LMT model “M4”
Spike’s Tactical model “ST-15 M4-LE”

Brands that follow Most of these “Mil-Spec” guide lines are as follows;
Smith & Wesson model “M&P 15”
Sabre Defense model “90244”
Armalite model “M15A4”
CMMG model “M4”
Stag model “1”

Brands that follow very few of these “Mil-Spec” guide lines, and should be avoided, are as follows;

Remington
Bushmaster
Rock River
Del-Ton
Olympic Arms
Charles Daly
Ruger
American Spirit Arms
Alexander Arms
Superior arms
DPMS

These manufactures, for the most part, produce good-quality firearms. Good enough for the average user. They are for the person who only shoots a few times a year, and not for the Hard Use type of guy or girl.

Also keep in mind that even though companies like; LWRCI, Knight, Magpul, H&K, FN, & VLTOR do not make an AR15 that meets “Mil-Spec”, they do manufacture high quality firearms that will stand up to hard use."



I used sources like Pat Rogers, JamesYeager, and many of the folks over at M4Carbine.Net. A lot of this information came from "The Chart". Anyone who is interested in a true Mil-Spec AR15 should read "The Chart".

If you would like more information contact me. I'll point you in the right direction.