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Aceman
02-21-2012, 16:36
Ok - let's say i want two rifles to be able to hunt whatever, from gophers to just short of Grizzly, Moose, and Buffalo.

What two calibers? What platform or platforms?

69HEMI-R/T
02-21-2012, 16:54
OK, I will bite: a .22 and a 30.06 would cover just about anything you are likely to encounter on the North American Continent.

rotjovi
02-21-2012, 16:57
My Browning BLR .358 and a basic 30.06 will do.

G36's Rule
02-21-2012, 16:58
22LR or .223 and a 300mag of some sort. That would cover anything in North America.

Fed Five Oh
02-21-2012, 17:13
OK, I will bite: a .22 and a 30.06 would cover just about anything you are likely to encounter on the North American Continent.We have a winner.

Breadman03
02-21-2012, 17:34
.22 LR and a 45-70.

If you want stupid range, substitute .300 Win Mag for the 45-70.

Teecher45
02-21-2012, 18:04
The only hunting rifle I own is a 30/06, it is a very good rifle, good scope, great trigger. It is probably the only rifle I will ever need. I handload and can load it down for coyote, up for elk/black bear, and somewhere in the middle for deer.
But I do not walk where grizzly do.
Anything on the North American Continent?
.223 and .338 Win mag.
I'm not walking around grizzly/polar bears and moose (in rut) with a .30 caliber rifle if I have a choice.
Colt 6920 with bright white light and Aimpoint micro, and Remington 700.
EDIT: Just saw where you said just short of...
So my 30/06 will probably do just fine.

HKLovingIT
02-21-2012, 18:29
AK-47, 75 round drum. Just keep shooting till whatever the critter is drops.
Ruger 10/22

Mercedesrover
02-21-2012, 18:34
.243 and a .270
or
.22mag and a 30-06

ddbtoth
02-21-2012, 18:44
22-250 and a 300 Winchester Mag will cover everything in the Americas.

K.Kiser
02-21-2012, 18:57
OK, I will bite: a .22 and a 30.06 would cover just about anything you are likely to encounter on the North American Continent.

This can take you from squirrel to bear... Although not ideal for the Brown/ Kodiaks, it will work if your willing to brave the hunt... I'd rather a .33 mag or more for the big bears, but the the '06 had certainly put them down before...

These two calibers (.22/30-06) may offer the widest range of effectiveness to be found in the world of firearms unless I'm forgetting something...

If we're to be a stickler about anything "short" of the big bears, then then there are many that will fill the bill, pages full of'em but none as easy to find as a 30-06 with the .308 win. coming in for close 2nd...

PhantomF4E
02-21-2012, 18:59
As stated .22 for the lil'fellers 30-06 for the big fellers... I load '06 as well in all flavors and would have no issue walking anywhere in the wilds of the North American continent without absolute confidence of being able to drop any critter walking from a Killer rabbit to a PO'd bull moose.

pennlineman
02-21-2012, 19:18
North America minus the large animals. I'd say a .17 or .22 rimfire and a 30-06/

DoubleWide
02-21-2012, 19:45
.50 BMG will let you hunt anything

benz mechanic
02-21-2012, 20:17
22-250 and a 300 Winchester Mag will cover everything in the Americas.

great choice!!

FLglockdude
02-21-2012, 20:37
I'd say a .22WMR and a .300WinMag would about cover all the bases. Maybe step up to a .338WinMag or hell even a .45/70 if you are going to be hunting more large game than medium.

NH Trucker
02-21-2012, 20:57
22LR or .223 and a 300mag of some sort. That would cover anything in North America.



This, especially if you reload your own ammo. .223 will get the small critters up to coyote size, and .300 Winchester Mag can be loaded to performance levels as low as .308 to full power .300 magnum, taking care of the big stuff from deer, elk, and even bear if needed.

Cole125
02-21-2012, 21:03
I think .22 lr and .308(or 30-06) is your answer. Either of the later will take any animal in North America.

.22 lr will take small game, coyotes, and smaller deer with proper shot placement.

glock2740
02-21-2012, 21:46
.22 and .460Wby :dunno:

fireslayer23
02-21-2012, 23:07
.22 and a .375 H&H. The 375 can be loaded hot or mild and with a huge range of bullets styles and weights that will take anything from whitetail to grizzly.

GLOCK24-7
02-21-2012, 23:27
.22LR for the the little fella's, and 7MM Remington Mag for bigger game. There is nothing in North America a 160gr Nosler Accubond can't handle. Its flat shooting, and has a ton of energy.

skeeter1959
02-21-2012, 23:48
.243 Win and a 30.06 will kill anything in N. America. With the .243 you can get down to a 55 grain bullet for varmits and the 30.06 can go as high as 200 grain.

AK_Stick
02-21-2012, 23:56
06 can be had as high as 220 if you handload.


I'd opt for a 243 or 5.56 and a 338 win mag.

30-06, and 300 win mag, are a little light for brown bears, and buffalo, but work just fine for moose and smaller.

427
02-22-2012, 00:07
.22 and an 8mm Mauser.

paulbow
02-22-2012, 00:11
6mmX45 in an AR-15

375 H&H in a bolt action

EL COLONEL
02-22-2012, 04:18
270 and a 300 win mag....

jp3975
02-22-2012, 04:27
Why two rifles?

Get a 12 gauge. It handles all of the above. Bird shot for small animals, buck shot and slugs for larger ones. It will kill anything from squirrel to polar bear.

I would use the shotgun mostly for smaller game.

For something at a distance, whatever rifle caliber strikes your fancy.

eracer
02-22-2012, 07:15
.22 LR and a 45-70.

If you want stupid range, substitute .300 Win Mag for the 45-70.My thoughts exactly.

whitebread
02-22-2012, 07:18
If you handload a .300 win mag can handle any game you will encounter - if you use factory loads, a .338 Lapua. If you don't want to turn varmint into a fine pink mist, you might want to pick up a .25-06 as well. For deer and hogs you could use either weapon.

eclark53520
02-22-2012, 07:47
I know you said rifle...but a .22lr and a 12ga with a rifled barrel. Won't have tons of range, but you will be able to kill pretty much anything on this continent.

Andrewsky
02-22-2012, 07:57
Give me a .32ACP Walther PPK and one spare magazine and I'll take care of it for you.

SigFTW
02-22-2012, 08:02
.22LR for the the little fella's, and 7MM Remington Mag for bigger game. There is nothing in North America a 160gr Nosler Accubond can't handle. Its flat shooting, and has a ton of energy.

X2, That is what I shoot:rock:

Aceman
02-22-2012, 08:27
I'm NOT handloading.

and I have multiple .22 and 12g guns

Thinking rifle.

I like the sound of .22-250 and 30-06

I notice a LOT of 30-06 (can't argue). Why not .308?

Aceman
02-22-2012, 08:27
22-250 and a 300 Winchester Mag will cover everything in the Americas.

Interesting pair. Tell me why in detail.

Aceman
02-22-2012, 08:28
.243 and a .270
or


Interesting. Why the .270 and not .308 or 30-06?

Travclem
02-22-2012, 09:19
.243Win(55gr for varmints, 85-100gr for deer etc.)
.300Wby for griz, moose etc.

orangeride
02-22-2012, 09:34
You guys have all missed the mark. Without a doubt 30-06 and 375h&h will cover all hunting that doesn't need a shotgun.

Travclem
02-22-2012, 10:43
You guys have all missed the mark. Without a doubt 30-06 and 375h&h will cover all hunting that doesn't need a shotgun.
Squirrels and rabbits (Some eat them) would be totally destroyed by both. and .375 is overkill for anything in North America. YMMV.

dosei
02-22-2012, 11:03
Calibers:
.22-250 Remington & 338 Lapua Magnum

Platform:
Bolt Action Rifle

From mouse to moose or hair to bear...if you can see it, you've got a rifle that can drop it.

Batesmotel
02-22-2012, 14:36
22-250 and a 300 Winchester Mag will cover everything in the Americas.

I know a hunting guide who has taken the African Big Five with a 300 Win. With the right bullet the 300 is a beast.

Aceman
02-22-2012, 14:58
I like the .243 just a bit better than a .223. I see the .ss3 as a really big varmint round, and not really something I'd want to go for even a medium sized deer. I see the .243 as the smallest non-varmint round. It is really the in-between for .223, that I'd only want for little critters, and a .25 of some sort, which is for whatever,

I like the .243 suggestions. I really feel that covers .55 to 100g targets.

and don't get me wrong .22-250 fans. That's my varmint assassin round! If I were going to have a dedicated varmint gun besides a .22, or the .243. which i'm not. Not at least anytime soon.

dosei
02-22-2012, 15:31
Here is a set-up that has a lot of versatility...

Colt 901 and any mil-spec 5.56 upper.
http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtRifles/ColtLE90116S.aspx

That gives you the option of .308 Win or 5.56 by just swapping the uppers.

I look forward to seeing how this little creation of Colt's pans out...it could be a really sweet set-up for anyone that has not yet taken the "black rifle" plunge.

eclark53520
02-22-2012, 15:36
Way too much overlap between centerfire rounds to have two of them.

No way i'd hit squirrels for food with a 22-250 or the like...I'd definitely want a rimfire round of some sort. 17 HMR would be nice. Small enough to take squirrels to eat, and big enough to take varmints. Anything big enough the 17 couldn't take down, the 30-06 would kill.

chevy01234
02-22-2012, 17:00
17HMR and my 280 Rem.

I would also confidently shoot anything walking this earth with my 35 whelen....and kill it!

Teecher45
02-22-2012, 17:36
As stated .22 for the lil'fellers 30-06 for the big fellers... I load '06 as well in all flavors and would have no issue walking anywhere in the wilds of the North American continent without absolute confidence of being able to drop any critter walking from a Killer rabbit to a PO'd bull moose.
I love the '06 as well, but...
I've shot a lot of deer with it and very few "dropped". I'm guessing the only moose in rut you have seen is on TV. Quite an experience in person. You are a very optimistic person, and that's okay.
I said it before, I would never go after grizzly/polar bear or moose during the rut with a .30 caliber anything on purpose.

AK_Stick
02-22-2012, 21:34
I'd take a 06 for everything in AK, including buffalo, except, brown bear. I would be willing to go after a grizzly with the 06.

338 Laupua, and larger are too abusive to shoot, and/or will damage too much meat to be worth while IMO, in a 2 gun battery. I would consider the 375 to be one of the best, most versatile calibers you could choose for a 3 gun battery, but its simply too much for most animals you want to eat, and I've used it on both moose and bear. The 35 Whelen is about as big as I'd say is realistic for a 2 gun battery to hunt NA.

Fuerte
02-22-2012, 22:45
I have a 22, a 223, and a 308. That is probably all I will ever need in Texas. However, If I were daydreaming about just two for anything "from gophers to just short of Grizzly, Moose, and Buffalo," I would guess a 204 any of the 300 variants. But WTH do I know...

WarEagle32
02-22-2012, 23:50
I can't believe that 1 of these is a gimmie. You said everything with 2 that can easily be done. For Africa and Alaska the 375 H&H magnum is the easy easy answer from lion elephant kodiak bear down as low as you want. Also the 375 is perfect to reach out with power unlike having a 470 nitro that won't. As for the other rifle there is a ton of debate to be made on this. My honest to god pick to hand the low end from varmint to under Elk would be a .270. I'm tempted to go 25-06 a bit lower, and 7mm Rem mag a bit higher would all do nicely. But you can take the 270 to 110 grain stable up to 150 flat as well.

eclark53520
02-23-2012, 08:22
I love the '06 as well, but...
I've shot a lot of deer with it and very few "dropped". I'm guessing the only moose in rut you have seen is on TV. Quite an experience in person. You are a very optimistic person, and that's okay.
I said it before, I would never go after grizzly/polar bear or moose during the rut with a .30 caliber anything on purpose.

Why do they have to 'drop'? As long as they die and you can eat them, what's the difference?

Moose are not some mythical creature, nor are grizzly's. If you put a hole in vital's, they will die. A 30-06 will penetrate enough to hit vitals on anything in the US. For pure defense against these animals, sure, take something bigger. However, purely hunting(which is what the OP is asking about), the 06 is plenty for north american game.

Brucev
02-23-2012, 10:04
Ok - let's say i want two rifles to be able to hunt whatever, from gophers to just short of Grizzly, Moose, and Buffalo.

What two calibers? What platform or platforms?

This is not hard to answer. Gophers, etc. require a varmint rifle of some sort. Heavy game requires a rifle with sufficient horsepower to be effective. For gophers, my first choice would be a rifle chambered for the .223 Remington. It works well on such animals out to about 300 yds. If is a round that many people can shoot very well.

For medium to large game not including Grizzly, Moose, and Buffalo, i.e., likely hogs, black bear, antelope and deer ranging up to possibly 300 lbs., one needs more horsepower than is available from a medium caliber such as a .243 Winchester, etc. The .270 Winchester would be about the minimum that could be suggested. The .30-06 would be just about idea, given its capacity to handle a broad range of bullet weights appropriate to hunting at a variety of ranges. The plethora of extremely high quality well designed bullets that are so well suited to the .30-06 only increases its utility as the caliber which one would be wise to choose for the hunting indicated by the OP.

The two above calibers suggested will not suit those who have more esoteric interest, but the question in the OP does not indicate that such interests are to be taken into consideration.

390ish
02-23-2012, 18:47
375 H&H and a fine 22 or fine air rifle. The 375 is really about the best rifle cartridge ever made.

PhantomF4E
02-23-2012, 21:07
I love the '06 as well, but...
I've shot a lot of deer with it and very few "dropped". I'm guessing the only moose in rut you have seen is on TV. Quite an experience in person. You are a very optimistic person, and that's okay.
I said it before, I would never go after grizzly/polar bear or moose during the rut with a .30 caliber anything on purpose.
Well I grew up in central Minnesota with 5 generations of hunters in my family before me. My Dad took a Bull Moose in the rut once with his 35 remington(only because he had to). It dropped a few feet before it would have killed him. It was sort of a 20 yard stumble upon( Oh a PO'd moose) (oh a puny human with a whimpy lever action) He was pretty tasty even for a big fella. I shot my first deer at 9 and then bagged one every year since, minus my time in the military. We don't have moose in Fla where I live now, but I'm betting the Hand loads that I crank out in even in the simple 220grain Corelokts would drop Bullwinkle with no problem. Now I'm not talking spray and pray hunting techniique here. Well placed, one shot one kill .
If anyone doubts what a 30-06 can do , I'll point you to one of my brother in laws buddies in South Africa holding his 700bdl in '06 leaning up against the dead Cape Buffalo he dropped with it. And a 180grain bullet at that . Now that even I would want something a bit bigger. But in SA more folks hunt with the '06 than just about anything else. Mostly because of availability . And of course "shot placement"

Deaf Smith
02-23-2012, 21:41
Ok - let's say i want two rifles to be able to hunt whatever, from gophers to just short of Grizzly, Moose, and Buffalo.

What two calibers? What platform or platforms?

Just one is needed.

30.06.

Good Winchester or Remington Bolt rifle.

Nothing more needed. 110 gr to 220 gr. Just handload and lower or raise velocities as needed.

Alot can be said for a one rifle man.

Deaf

AK_Stick
02-24-2012, 02:08
Mostly that he compromises.

Foxtrotx1
02-24-2012, 03:13
Just one is needed.

30.06.

Good Winchester or Remington Bolt rifle.

Nothing more needed. 110 gr to 220 gr. Just handload and lower or raise velocities as needed.

Alot can be said for a one rifle man.

Deaf

Right, because .30 is great for varmits....

Big Mad Dawg
02-24-2012, 03:40
06 can be had as high as 220 if you handload.


I'd opt for a 243 or 5.56 and a 338 win mag.

30-06, and 300 win mag, are a little light for brown bears, and buffalo, but work just fine for moose and smaller.

I agree if I was limited to two it would be 5.56 and .338 win mag.
I have a nice .338 browning that I bought and used in the 80ís while living in Fairbanks I never worried about it not being enough gun.

Aceman
02-24-2012, 06:59
Mostly that he compromises.

There is something to be said for a good all around gun - but mostly the thing to be said is that there isn't one.


I like to play the "if only one" and "if two" "if I could have three.." game a lot.

It really makes me think hard and prioritize what I want / need.

I usually consider a number of things like range of bullet weights, platforms, cross compatability, SHTF potential, ammo cost-avalability.

And in all honesty, I think a good Lever 30-30 is better for all around use than any bolt gun.

And I probably should have specified centerfire earlier...I have enough .22's

But a .22, a 12g, and a 30-06 can get you a lot of food!

Aceman
02-24-2012, 07:11
You know - One reason i just don't love .223 (not that it doesn't have it's niche)

If I want varmint - distinctly small critters, I'll always choose .22-250 over .223. I just like it more for performance.

And if i want a small caliber for bigger things, I'll always take the .243, because it can take way bigger things than the .223.

And if i want a social purpose rifle, I'll take 7.62x39....

mgs
02-24-2012, 11:08
You know - One reason i just don't love .223 (not that it doesn't have it's niche)

If I want varmint - distinctly small critters, I'll always choose .22-250 over .223. I just like it more for performance.

And if i want a small caliber for bigger things, I'll always take the .243, because it can take way bigger things than the .223.

And if i want a social purpose rifle, I'll take 7.62x39....

I have to agree with all your observations after 31 years in the field and on the streets....But I really like the 5.56 also. The 30-06 is available anywhere ammo is found. I love the .308 but the 06 just handles the 180/200 better, Mike.

Jameson4all
02-24-2012, 11:34
I would say pick 3 instead. 22 Mag, 270, and 45-70. That I feel covers most all your bases, 22 mag for little stuff, 270 for deer sized game and 45-70 for big hogs and bears etc. Done and done. Trifecta

AK_Stick
02-24-2012, 13:40
And in all honesty, I think a good Lever 30-30 is better for all around use than any bolt gun.



For the most part I'd agree, though I think one of the little CZ carbine 527's in 7.62x39, or perhaps the Ruger scout rifle might give the lever a tough run for it's money.

Teecher45
02-24-2012, 19:46
Why do they have to 'drop'? As long as they die and you can eat them, what's the difference?

Moose are not some mythical creature, nor are grizzly's. If you put a hole in vital's, they will die. A 30-06 will penetrate enough to hit vitals on anything in the US. For pure defense against these animals, sure, take something bigger. However, purely hunting(which is what the OP is asking about), the 06 is plenty for north american game.
eclark, please go back and read the earlier posts, you and I agree. Phantom is the one talking about the '06 "dropping" everything. I agree that it doesn't have to "drop". However I do not agree (but WTH do I know) that the '06 will always reach the vitals in all animals. I like the extra muscle the .338 provides in case I have to make a quartering shot. Most years my father and I spend 2 weeks in Colorado hunting elk/black bear. We spend a lot of our vacation time and money hunting those 2 weeks and I do not want to handicap myself by only being able to take the perfect broadside shot.

vafish
02-24-2012, 23:30
....I'd opt for a 243 or 5.56 and a 338 win mag....

.

A .243 and a .375 H+H (or Ruger) and you could hunt anything on the planet. The .338 would make it anything in North America.

AK_Stick
02-25-2012, 02:36
The 375 really is too much gun for Elk-Moose and Black bear though. Anything you want to eat is going to suffer some terrible meat loss from that round.


And the 338 is good for just about anything short of cape buffalo/Hippo. And I'd be willing to wager it'd perform adequately there as well.

Minnow
02-25-2012, 04:17
223 REM
&
30-06 Springfield

Covers a lot of ground and can overlap. 223 Keeps pelt damage low on small cuddly varmints and 30-06 can poke big deep holes in the big nasty's with proper loads. You can also walk into any gun store or Wal-Mart in America and find ammo for both calibers. Keep the guns light enough with scopes that can be turned down far enough for close range brush busting as well as 300yd accuracy. This all assumes I already own a 22LR and a 12ga hunting gun to bust rabbits, squirrels, and birds.

Aceman
02-25-2012, 13:25
Keep the guns light enough with scopes that can be turned down far enough for close range brush busting as well as 300yd accuracy.

I was honestly thinking of maybe a 2.5-10x or something on that order...but also possibly a 3 or 4-12x AND a micro red dot for up close. Kind of "tacticool" but very effective!

jeremy1
02-25-2012, 14:07
A remington 700 chambered in 7MM STW (if you can find one) or a 7MM RUM.

A Remington 700 Varmint in 220 swift.

Those are two sexy and fast rounds that will take anything in North America.

You better hand load because these are expensive calibres to shoot, and ammo is not available at your local Wal mart

unit1069
02-25-2012, 14:16
OK, I will bite: a .22 and a 30.06 would cover just about anything you are likely to encounter on the North American Continent.

That's what I'd pick also.

When the .30-06 turned one hundred years old in 2006 National Public Radio ran a segment on the caliber. The report stated that the .30-06 can take any game animal on the North American continent.

Since I wouldn't want to use something that powerful on a squirrel my guess for the best choice taking all small game would be .22lr.

I also wouldn't want to use a .30-06 on a coyote and since I'm not a hunter maybe a .22 Magnum or .222 Hornet would be a better small caliber if limited to two rifles/calibers.

AK_Stick
02-25-2012, 18:00
I think some other good options that aren't quite as common if someone wanted something a little different would be


284 Winchester, 280 Remington, 260 Remington, 275 Rigby (7x57), and my personal favorite, and what I intend to build as a long range, light weight sheep gun, the 6.5x284 Norma

3rdgen40
02-25-2012, 18:09
A .30/06 will do it all.Accellerators (.22 cal sabot loads) for small game, 150-220 gr for the big stuff.

vafish
02-25-2012, 21:38
The 375 really is too much gun for Elk-Moose and Black bear though. Anything you want to eat is going to suffer some terrible meat loss from that round.


And the 338 is good for just about anything short of cape buffalo/Hippo. And I'd be willing to wager it'd perform adequately there as well.

But in many African countries the .375 is minimum caliber for the bigger animals. My mention of the .375 was to include any animal in the world.

It's also easy to reload for the .375 to lower power levels. Bullet construction will have a lot more to do with meat damage. Just choose a heavier constructed bullet for less expansion.

Agree that for the US .338 is plenty. Combine it with a .223 or .243 and you have everything from varmints to big bears covered.

If big bears are off the list the .270, .30-06 or any other similar power cartridge can replace the .338 on the OP's 2 rifle list.

Frog1
02-25-2012, 22:45
There are only two for your choice. The .22 rimfire and the 375 H-H mag. The .375 Ruger would also qualify. Downloaded, it is a great deer-medium game cartridge. Full power takes you to Africa. My two favorite calibers of all.

Minnow
02-26-2012, 00:40
I was honestly thinking of maybe a 2.5-10x or something on that order...but also possibly a 3 or 4-12x AND a micro red dot for up close. Kind of "tacticool" but very effective!

Leupold is making a 2x-12x-42mm in the VX-6 line complete with their custom dial system. The Trijicon Accupoints are nice too, as is the Nikon Monarch 2-10x's.

vikingsoftpaw
02-26-2012, 01:06
I'd go with a Ruger M77 in .223 and .338 Win Mag.