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G21MAN
02-22-2012, 10:54
I love my G23, and I have a great Galco carry rig for it. I like the power of the .40 round and the G23's capacity. The thing is that it's so much easier carrying my 442 in the pocket holster. I can even carry it at night while in my sleeping shorts. Any of you guys/gals find yourself going for the easier carry option. Even my clothes are better fitting with the J Frame.

kimber6
02-22-2012, 14:07
It is all personal opinion when it comes to caliber/size and has a lot to do with what type of environment you are in. I spend a lot of time in bad neighborhoods/homes for work with people I don't know, so I usually opt for larger option (19/20/23).

HarleyGuy
02-22-2012, 15:04
For a civilian, the chances of needing any gun at all is very small, and if needed, 5 rounds would probably be more than sufficent.
The most important issues (at least to me) is that you are justified in unholstering a weapon, and if necessary using lethal force, and hitting the intended target.

When the weather allows, I usually carry a G-27, or a Kimber Ultra CDPII. However, lately I've just been carrying my Kel-Tec .32 in a pocket holster simply because of it's samll size and light weight.
I recently saw a Kel-Tec 9mm at the gun shop looked like ti would be pretty easy to conceal but I've had a S/W 642 for years (that has never been fired) so I may start carrying as a compromise.

Sleeping with a loaded gun?
I hope your holster safely covers the trigger.

T-Rod45
02-22-2012, 15:32
Ironic. I have my G23 on my hip and my J-frame in my jacket pocket as we speak...

tall terry
02-22-2012, 16:30
It takes 3 J frames to match the firepower of 1 G23 and not to mention the recoil of 15 rounds of magnum ammo out of a less than 16 ounce j frame lol 5 rounds of anything don't give me a warm feeling

frankmako
02-22-2012, 16:53
either/ or. both guns will do the job. between the two it comes down which one you like the best. both gun have shown that they can do the job.

Deaf Smith
02-22-2012, 16:54
If you want the 23 to be easier to carry get the 27! Then a good IWB like a FIST holster.

I find the J .38 and the Glock complimentary weapons. I prefer the 26/27/33 series and airweight J 642s.

Deaf

Carver
02-22-2012, 21:07
Edc'd for 5 years w a j frame 340pd iwb, but latly g33 is my friend owb.

cowboy1964
02-22-2012, 21:23
I'm a big believer in making carry as comfortable as reasonably possible. The gun that is with you is infinitely better than the gun that isn't.

Ahmid
02-23-2012, 06:12
In the end it will be a J-Frame...

T-Rod45
02-23-2012, 06:19
I just don't shoot revolvers well. With the J-Frame in particular (I have a S&W 642) for some reason I have an extremely hard time not using the joint of my finger on the trigger. Maybe it's the grip or the gun, maybe it's the weight of the trigger? Anyway, I used it as a BUG anyway to one of the guns I shoot well (G23/G26/LC9).

Bullwinkle J Moose
02-23-2012, 12:11
I hear you, bro. I have many handguns, but my J-frame is the one that is so lightweight, comfortable and dependable that it is my edc for the most part. The J-frame you will carry trumps the G23 you won't.

collim1
02-23-2012, 12:45
The jframe and the g23 are not even in the same class of gun. The 442 is a discreet CCW/BUG piece.

The G23 is a medium size duty gun, that can also be carried concealed.

There is nothing wrong with having two carry guns. Everyone needs a pocket gun to carry in warm weather, quick trip to the store, when wearing dress clothes and tucked in shirts etc...

WASR10
02-23-2012, 13:12
I carry a 642 around the house and when running errands in town. But if I'm going in to the city, or will be out of the house all day, I carry the G23. I carry the 23 in a Kholster and don't find it any less comfortable than the 642 in its Don Hume. The 642/Hume is simply easier to unclip and throw in the center console if I'm running in to the post office or what have you.

TJS
02-23-2012, 14:59
You can't beat a J frame!

para40
02-24-2012, 16:56
In the end it will be a J-Frame...

My gunsmith, and good friend, said I was like his Dad.

The older you get, the lighter the gun!


And you chase slower women! :embarassed:

Dalton Wayne
02-24-2012, 17:02
The best concealed hand gun ever

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/Daltonlwayne/442100_1894.jpg

CTfam
02-24-2012, 22:49
http://www.warriortalknews.com/2010/12/whats-your-top-new-years-resolution-this-year.html


Is it that much harder to carry a Sub Glock and a spare mag?

writwing
02-25-2012, 04:11
What realistic scenarios do you see where you need 15 rounds?

happyguy
02-25-2012, 07:42
When I went out yesterday I had my P7 behind my right hip and my 442 in front of my left hip.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

Bill Lumberg
02-25-2012, 07:55
This. -->For a civilian, the chances of needing any gun at all is very small, and if needed, 5 rounds would probably be more than sufficent.
The most important issues (at least to me) is that you are justified in unholstering a weapon, and if necessary using lethal force, and hitting the intended target.


Sleeping with a lumberjack?
I hope your covers trigger.

T-Rod45
02-25-2012, 08:51
What realistic scenarios do you see where you need 15 rounds?

The statistics card is a hard one to play.

5 shots may be enough... 15 shots may be enough... But if you need just 1 more, you're dead. It's always a gamble.

G19aps
02-25-2012, 12:33
What realistic scenarios do you see where you need 15 rounds?

I think it ends up being more of the fact that the guns that are SIGNIFICANTLY easier to shoot under stress than a 5 shot snubbie also happen to have more ammunition on board.

alwaysshootin
02-25-2012, 12:49
The jframe and the g23 are not even in the same class of gun. The 442 is a discreet CCW/BUG piece.

The G23 is a medium size duty gun, that can also be carried concealed.

There is nothing wrong with having two carry guns. Everyone needs a pocket gun to carry in warm weather, quick trip to the store, when wearing dress clothes and tucked in shirts etc...

I agree^^^^^! Have both, but the only reason, the J frame, ever, gets the nod, over the 23, is because of attire. What's your reason for carrying? If it's to be armed, and as comfortable, as possible? Than the 442 is the way to go. If your answer is any other, of many possibilities, the 23, is a much, much, better choice, IMHO!

SDGlock23
02-25-2012, 13:25
If you want a smaller more pocketable gun, get a Kahr PM40/CM40. Awesome pistols! I have three Kahrs and can't say enough good things about them (PM9, PM40, CW45). Similar weight to a j-frame, smaller in size, more power, faster reloads, what's not to love? And the CM lineup only goes for about $350-400.

Bachi
02-25-2012, 19:27
I stopped carrying my j frame when i bought my kahr pm9 , pocket carry and ankle carry the profile is thinner . The weight is about the same. But reloading is easier with the kahr and I am more accurate with the pm9.

writwing
02-25-2012, 20:11
I think it ends up being more of the fact that the guns that are SIGNIFICANTLY easier to shoot under stress than a 5 shot snubbie also happen to have more ammunition on board.


I do agree with your points but let me play devils advocate.

Under stress you will lose fine motor control of your fingers.
What if the auto jams?
Or you pull the lighter trigger when you dont want to?

G19aps
02-26-2012, 16:36
With over 3000 posts you've been around long enough to know the answer to both your points is "training". Semi autos aren't exactly new.

I know what you're saying and I also agree to an extent. Between my LCR and an LCP, Kahr PM/CM, P3AT, etc other small auto I would trust the LCR more. But over say a GP100, Smith K frame etc, I would choose the G17/26 for the advantages they have and have proven to me to be reliable and easy to clear if they malfunction.

2740dmx
02-26-2012, 17:00
Different guns for different days/times/scenarios:

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/spec4towle/041.jpg

collim1
02-26-2012, 18:08
http://www.warriortalknews.com/2010/12/whats-your-top-new-years-resolution-this-year.html


Is it that much harder to carry a Sub Glock and a spare mag?

Thats a good read.

I carry a P239 and a spare mag 98% of the time that I am off-duty. I use the jframe when I have to wear dress clothes, and I carry it as a on-duty BUG.

I used to carry the jframe only off-duty, but after doing some drills at the range I realized that it is limited in capabilities. Mainly due to my lack of confidence in it.

5rds, slow reloads from speed strips (speed loaders are a pain to carry, and dont work as well in the jframes), and distnaces past 10yds I have a hard time scoring decent hits.

I made an effort to carry a larger gun, and for the last year I have done well.

whitebread
02-27-2012, 06:39
I have transitioned from a PM9 to a J-frame for pocket carry. I shoot the revolver better and I would much rather trust five shots of .357 magnum over seven 9x19. I just feel more confident and comfortable carrying the wheel gun and I don't ever feel under-gunned. However, whenever possible, I carry a larger gun IWB (G27 or G30) and also leave the J-frame in my pocket.

CTfam
02-27-2012, 20:52
Thats a good read.

I carry a P239 and a spare mag 98% of the time that I am off-duty. I use the jframe when I have to wear dress clothes, and I carry it as a on-duty BUG.

I used to carry the jframe only off-duty, but after doing some drills at the range I realized that it is limited in capabilities. Mainly due to my lack of confidence in it.

5rds, slow reloads from speed strips (speed loaders are a pain to carry, and dont work as well in the jframes), and distnaces past 10yds I have a hard time scoring decent hits.

I made an effort to carry a larger gun, and for the last year I have done well.

I think everyone would agree the J-frame is hard to beat for a light weight pocket gun. However, after trying some drills out of the pocket I realized this is an awful way to carry a firearm. Maybe on the square range you can draw from your nemesis and put five on the paper... But try exploding off the X and digging that little snub out of your jeans. Not gonna happen. Imagine someone is kicking the crap out of you or you end up on the ground. (More reasons to carry AIWB.)

Once you decide to belt carry, replacing a J-frame with a G-26 is very easy and a no brainer.

That was my line of thinking anyways. I packed a J-frame for years so no disrespect. It's just a new day. :wavey:

RYT 2BER
02-27-2012, 22:52
The jframe and the g23 are not even in the same class of gun. The 442 is a discreet CCW/BUG piece.

The G23 is a medium size duty gun, that can also be carried concealed.

Really good response....:thumbsup:

Kind of an apples to oranges comparison.....

But you have to choose of course what works for you..

ChicagoZman
02-28-2012, 08:54
Carry both. 642 in the left front pants pocket, 23 on the right side on the belt.