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Jfduece
02-22-2012, 21:57
My goal is to have the most concealable pistol in a 9mm. I looked at all the usual suspects and when I saw the new Sig P938 coming, I knew it was the one i would get

So why the 238 you ask? Well...
1. It's pretty much the same gun with the exception of length
2. I can get it now
3. Should be able to use the same holster for the 938
4. Came to the conclusion that 380 would meet my needs(I know plenty of people will flame me on this one, so flame on. it is not a decision that i came to lightly)
5. I don't really want to be one of the "beta" testers for a brand new product

So my plan now is either
a) buy the 238 and upgrade to the 938 in a year or two when the kinks are worked out or
b) wait a few more months and buy the 938 and hope for the best

What would you do? I am pretty set on option (a) right now, but won't actually be buying for another week or two.

DoubleWide
02-22-2012, 22:07
Not a fan of the .380 and hoping a future gun is everything they claim it will be isn't a good plan.

travDMH
02-22-2012, 22:08
What about the Solo?

barth
02-22-2012, 22:13
This is a no brainer to me.
9mm all the way.
The sweetness is Sig has already had it's teething pains with the P238.
So I'm expecting the 9mm version to run better right out of the box.

I just can't decide between a P938 or a P224?
Maybe I need both?

For now I'll just have to get by with my P220/45 - LOL!
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Ruggles
02-22-2012, 22:24
I am with you on the abilities of the .380 in it's role it can be effective IMO. The Sig 238 is the platform I carry .380 in (and have no complaints) but there are a bunch of great ones out there these days. Colt is making the Mustang again in .380, that should be a great gun as well.

NeverMore1701
02-22-2012, 22:31
Both, the P238 is a fantastic pocket gun (the best, IMO), and you can pick up a 938 later once any initial bugs are worked out.


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Jfduece
02-22-2012, 22:40
What about the Solo?

not as thin as the sig 238/938. don't let the posted specs for the sig fool you. i think they say 1.1 in but that is with the slide release. the slide on the sig is closer to .75 iirc

i think my second choice would be the kahr cm9 or possibly even settling for the .380 longterm and going with the S&W bodyguard or kahr 380

Jfduece
02-22-2012, 22:41
Barth, ruggles, nevermore

you are all thinking the same thoughts as me. this is gonna be a difficult one to sort out!

NeverMore1701
02-22-2012, 23:08
Barth, ruggles, nevermore

you are all thinking the same thoughts as me. this is gonna be a difficult one to sort out!

Not difficult at all, get the 238 now and the 938 later :supergrin:

ericmd98
03-12-2012, 22:28
There was a recent high profile gun fight in my country, the survivor was using a 380 pistol, the one who died was using a 9mm pistol (smith and wesson). It took 5 shots of 380 to kill the other guy. The one who died was not able to fire a shot. Because of this i ordered a sig 238, my thoughts are it is easier to conceal and deploy a small 380 pistol from the front pocket compared to deploying a 9mm pistol from a bag, a 380 pistol is good enough against one attacker without any worry of over penetration. In my country, concealed carry holders are supposed to keep their pistols in a bag.

boomhower
03-12-2012, 23:15
I was really interested on the 938 until I got to the trigger pull the spec page. 8lbs is crazy. Guess I'm back to looking at Karhs.

Shinesintx
03-12-2012, 23:35
Not difficult at all, get the 238 now and the 938 later :supergrin:

NM beat me to it. The 938 wont be worth buying for another two years. Get the 238 now...and the 938 once the bugs are worked out. You now have two years to save...get busy.

Shinesintx
03-12-2012, 23:36
I was really interested on the 938 until I got to the trigger pull the spec page. 8lbs is crazy. Guess I'm back to looking at Karhs.

Gunsmith will fix that for you...

Nakanokalronin
03-13-2012, 00:30
I was really interested on the 938 until I got to the trigger pull the spec page. 8lbs is crazy. Guess I'm back to looking at Karhs.

The trigger pull on the P238 says 7.5-8.5 lbs but it feels nowhere near that heavy, more like 4-5lbs max.

Oso
03-13-2012, 00:34
What about the Ruger LC9?

Tiro Fijo
03-13-2012, 00:48
1. The .380 is not really a valid defense ctg. on the whole

2. You don't want a single action CCW for pocket carry.



The SIG p290 has the bugs worked out and is a FAR better choice.

Nakanokalronin
03-13-2012, 01:03
I agree that some time should be taken to see if there are any bugs in the 938, however it's basically a 238 in 9mm form. A SAO pocket gun is a great pocket carry for someone that carries a larger SAO handgun IWB , especially those with 1911s since the controls are the same. The .380 is a viable defense cartridge as long as proper ammunition is used. The same can be said for alot of cartridges including 9mm Luger and .38spl.

Hornady critical defense has great penetration and expansion tests through 4 layers of denim. The P238 is a fantastic shooting pocket gun, but nobody knows how the recoil is going to be with the 9mm being introduced into the mix.

mrsurfboard
03-13-2012, 05:28
1. The .380 is not really a valid defense ctg. on the whole

2. You don't want a single action CCW for pocket carry.



The SIG p290 has the bugs worked out and is a FAR better choice.

:rofl: p290 is junk.

xmanhockey7
03-13-2012, 05:55
I wouldn't want anything bigger or heavier for front pocket carry than my 238.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-13-2012, 06:31
Definitely the P938, you get 9mm in a package thats damn near the exact same size and weight as the .380

Some good comparison pics here

http://www.hausofguns.com/2012/01/23/the-new-sig-p938-vs-sig-p238/

Narkcop
03-13-2012, 12:08
Lots of dead guys that would disagree about .380 effectiveness.

FCastle88
03-13-2012, 15:29
What about the Solo?
Quite a few complaints of malfunctions with the Solo, Kimber even says it's only reliable with a few brands of defensive ammo. Plus despite Kimber denying the rumors of a recall or redesign, there still don't seem to be any available.

FCastle88
03-13-2012, 15:48
The SIG p290 has the bugs worked out and is a FAR better choice.
Still too many mixed reviews out there to say that the bugs have been worked out. Depending on who you talk to at Sig, a Gen 2 with a new trigger mechanism is either already out, or will be available in a month or so. Also, the P290 is way too heavy for a polymer pocket gun, the all-metal P938 is 4oz lighter, and due to the the shape of the slide and trigger guard of the P290, the actual grip is shorter than other guns of the same height, like the PM9/CM9. I've been wanting an EMP for a while, but I just can't justify spending over $1,000 for one. If the P938 has an actual market price close to that of the P290, and the actual trigger pull is lighter than 8.5lbs, I'll probably get one after it's been out for a while.

WarEagle32
03-13-2012, 19:19
I have or have a a lot of pocket pistols and I assure you the Sig 290 is FAR from junk. Im not going to list them all, but except for the Solo I have, or have owned just about every pocket pistol worth owning, and the 290 is by far my favorite. It has great night sights, will eat any ammo, and is volumetrically a very small gun(look at one right next to an LCP and compare). People just look at numbers and make ASSumptions that way. The 290 is a great pistol!!

FCastle88
03-14-2012, 14:39
I have or have a a lot of pocket pistols and I assure you the Sig 290 is FAR from junk. Im not going to list them all, but except for the Solo I have, or have owned just about every pocket pistol worth owning, and the 290 is by far my favorite. It has great night sights, will eat any ammo, and is volumetrically a very small gun(look at one right next to an LCP and compare). People just look at numbers and make ASSumptions that way. The 290 is a great pistol!!
I have seen and held a P290, it's actually very slightly larger than the CM9, and almost exactly the same size as the Beretta Nano. What completely kills the P290 for me is it's a polymer pocket gun that weighs 20oz, and it has a 9lb trigger pull, the CM9 weighs 15.9oz and has a 6.5lb trigger pull. The PM9/CM9 has also been out for quite a bit longer than most of the competition, and has plenty of time to work most of the bugs out, there's still plenty of complaints of malfunctions with the P290 and Nano on various forums, but at least the Nano is lighter and has a better trigger than the P290. Weren't you one of the posters who had to send their P290 back to Sig at least once for the light strike/hammer not falling issue?

2-8 Marine
03-14-2012, 16:34
Speaking strictly from my own recent, personal experience with my new p238, I'd highly recommend you buy the 238 now and the 938 later.

michael e
03-14-2012, 18:28
If you can afford to get one now and the 938 later go that way.

Tiro Fijo
03-15-2012, 01:56
...What completely kills the P290 for me is it's a polymer pocket gun that weighs 20oz, and it has a 9lb trigger pull, the CM9 weighs 15.9oz and has a 6.5lb trigger pull...


You will appreciate that weight when you shoot +p ammo in it. It weighs less than a loaded G19 & few people whine about that weight. The trigger pull is great as mine has smoothed out and is FAR better than the LC9. It's a CCW gun and I don't want a light trigger. And for my final point: the SIG is not made by Moonies as is the Kahr. I choose not to fund the Moonies. :supergrin:

Bilbo Bagins
03-15-2012, 09:27
You will appreciate that weight when you shoot +p ammo in it. It weighs less than a loaded G19 & few people whine about that weight. The trigger pull is great as mine has smoothed out and is FAR better than the LC9. It's a CCW gun and I don't want a light trigger. And for my final point: the SIG is not made by Moonies as is the Kahr. I choose not to fund the Moonies. :supergrin:

And with that same logic buying a Sig Supports Nazis, and East German Soviets. :dunno:

FCastle88
03-15-2012, 15:44
You will appreciate that weight when you shoot +p ammo in it. It weighs less than a loaded G19 & few people whine about that weight. The trigger pull is great as mine has smoothed out and is FAR better than the LC9. It's a CCW gun and I don't want a light trigger. And for my final point: the SIG is not made by Moonies as is the Kahr. I choose not to fund the Moonies. :supergrin:
I have no problem shooting +P out of my CM9, due to the Kahr's low bore axis recoil is pretty close to my G26. Yeah, the P290 weighs 2oz less than a G19, but the G19 is almost a duty size handgun, the P290 is a pocket gun half it's size, the weights shouldn't be that close. Guns this small are hard enough to shoot accurately without a 9lb trigger. I can put up with an 8-9lb DA pull on a DA/SA, but not a little DAO, keep your finger off the trigger and a light pull isn't a problem. I don't care about the Moonies in the slightest.

Tiro Fijo
03-15-2012, 16:53
And with that same logic buying a Sig Supports Nazis, and East German Soviets. :dunno:


Uh, the Nazis lost in 1945 and the Berlin Wall went in '89. Shot a lot of pool in History class I see. :wavey:

philipk
03-25-2012, 18:50
As a P238 owner, I suggest that you buy the P238 now and decide later if you need the P938. That is what I am doing.

I was not comfortable with my G27 or S&W J frame as a pocket gun or as an IWB gun. They both are too big for me.

The P238 is perfect for either carry. I have holsters for either style carry and normally go IWB. Sometimes pocket carry is better.

When I have a jacket on the G23 in a OWB holster is perfect.

I must admit, I LOVE the P238 so much, I am considering buying a 1911 lightweight of some type to replace the G23. I have some heavy full size 1911's that are too heavy for day to day carry.

I wouldn't sell my Glocks but the P238 makes me want the P938 and some smaller .45 ACP 1911.

Metal Angel
03-25-2012, 19:02
Seems like a good twin setup to me. Like you said, get them both and then carry whichever one works better for your attire that day. I probably won't ever get a .380 because I'm too chicken **** about its effectiveness, but I'll bet it will get the job done when you need it too. Especially if your attire would require leaving anything bigger at home.

philipk
03-25-2012, 19:20
I probably won't ever get a .380 because I'm too chicken **** about its effectiveness, but I'll bet it will get the job done when you need it too. .

My grandfather from 1934 until his natural death in 1975 carried either a S&W J frame .38 spl. Chief with a bobbed hammer or Browning .25 ACP. Most of the time it was the .25 ACP. He never fired in self defense. However, several times he pulled the .25 ACP when he was about to be robbed and it defused the situation. He lived in a very dangerous WV coal mining town.

I am glad that I have the .380 as a valid small choice today. He would have used it if alive today.

Coburna
11-01-2012, 18:34
As a P238 owner, I suggest that you buy the P238 now and decide later if you need the P938. That is what I am doing.

I was not comfortable with my G27 or S&W J frame as a pocket gun or as an IWB gun. They both are too big for me.

The P238 is perfect for either carry. I have holsters for either style carry and normally go IWB. Sometimes pocket carry is better.

When I have a jacket on the G23 in a OWB holster is perfect.

I must admit, I LOVE the P238 so much, I am considering buying a 1911 lightweight of some type to replace the G23. I have some heavy full size 1911's that are too heavy for day to day carry.

I wouldn't sell my Glocks but the P238 makes me want the P938 and some smaller .45 ACP 1911.

I hear people say they have a hard time concealing a lot of guns. I have glocks, sigs, and just recently bought my first 1911. Now i always hear dudes talk about being able to conceal a full sized 1911 and didn't believe that sounded to comfortable. I am 6'1 175lbs (pretty skinny) and have no problems concealing a full sized 1911 government model. the key is the holster you carry it in. In my opinion the best IWB holster that conceals the BEST is the GALCO KING TUK. My point is....dont overlook the fullsized 1911 as a carry gun. I am carrying mine alot now and the p938 is the pocket gun. Even in a tee shirt that king tuk conceals that 1911!!

ojabog
11-01-2012, 20:02
I'm having the same dilemma , but am strongly leaning towards the p238. It's been scrutinized long enough that I feel the bugs are worked out. I bought 1 first run gun, Nano, never again. I will wait on the 938.

Bilbo Bagins
11-02-2012, 07:39
I owned and traded away a Sig P238 and I just want to tell you why.

In terms of a .380 pocket gun...it sucked. It weighed a hair over 17oz loaded, and while it was somewhat small it bulged and poked out in all the wrong places. It was also hard to get a holster that covered the safety, and prevented it from printing. It was fun to shoot, reliable, with great sights, and low recoil. However, in the world of .380 pocket guns the P238 is just too heavy, too bulky and too expensive, at least in my opinion. It was just to close to the weight and size of a 9mm pocket gun to warrant keeping it.

The Sig 938 on the other hand is just a slight tad bigger and a few ounces heavier then the P238. Now you are talking about a nice looking 9mm pocket gun that matches up well with other 9mm pocket guns in terms of size and weight. My only issue is it seems some of the new P938 have reliability problems. Also like the P238 the sig is price kind of high. Its kind of worth it, but for that price I would expect better reliability and 2 mags not just one.

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boomhower
11-02-2012, 13:20
I've got a P938 and love it. It's my BUG at work and where I carry it thinness is key. A buddy has a CM9 that I was also considering but didn't care for the extremely long trigger. I've had the Sig for a couple months now and love it. I don't regret the purchase at all other than the price.