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*ASH*
02-26-2012, 23:02
ok i dont own one i have shot some , but while going to a few dealers and gun shows , ive heard alot of bad things on SIGS , ive heard in the last 2 years quality has gone down bad ?? an one know ??

and i know alot of folks complaining how ugly the new styles are with the cheesy diamond plated guns ,which to me are fugly .


any insights ?

cowboy1964
02-26-2012, 23:27
Only Sig I've owned was a P229 E2 bought about 2 years ago. Best gun I ever had in terms of quality and flawless performance. If the pistol had been 5 ounces lighter with a non-short reset trigger I'd not only still have it but it would probably be my full time carry.

fowler
02-28-2012, 04:36
They get better with the years. My new U.S. made 226 is finer finished and shooting than the old west german 1990 226 shot side by side. . Class well made Sig Sauer.

crash09
02-28-2012, 09:33
Gun shop gossip never ceases to amaze me. Sig makes a solid product. Every company has ups and downs. Even Glock's Gen 4 had a few hiccups as it came to market, IIRC.

Sig's core line, the P226 and P229 have suffered from diamond plate, titanium rainbows and other aesthetic abominations, but the basic guns still run well. Sig appears to be phasing out the "special editions" like the diamond plate and the Gadsden Flag and going to more practical styles and finishes recently.

I have a few and all of mine have been very dependable. I carry a P229 and shoot a P226 in IDPA. Looking forward to buying a 938 soon for discreet carry as well. I've never bought into the idea that German made Sigs were better either. I own both US made and German made and see no appreciable difference in how they shoot or carry.

My only complaint with Sig has been their finish on the controls. My mag releases have sprouted rust from time to time, but I live in the South. The price is a little more involved maintenance routine than the Glock, but to me it's worth it for the ergonomics of the Sig platform.

Boot Stomper
02-28-2012, 13:42
My department issued me an older Sig 229 in 40 S&W. My guess is the gun is 15 to 20 years old and it has been flawless in the ten years I have shot and carried it. My Department owns about 50 of the Sigs, some newer than others. To my knowledge, noone in my department has had a major malfunction. Springs do break or ware out, but the guns still work.

I realize your question was in regards to the newer models, but as for the older one they are rock solid, IMO. Get a used one. OR buy a Glock. :thumbsup:

brad330ci
02-28-2012, 13:42
I just bought my first sig, a p226 mk25. I am very impressed with the gun!!

bac1023
03-01-2012, 19:36
Give me an old German made Sig any day.

grady3003
03-01-2012, 20:23
i bought a sig 238 last year and its been flawless for 200 rounds.sig has been a great company to buy from and wouldn't hesitate to buy another.

Jameson4all
03-01-2012, 22:06
I think Sig makes some of the best pistols i've fired to date. One trend i've seen over the years are the fads in the gun world. Gun shop employees near me are constantly changing their gear out, man you gotta sell your sig its too heavy and doesn't carry as many rounds as glock. Then next month its man im going 1911, glocks aren't accurate enough for me. Then a month later man 1911's are too much maintenance, im going Sig and so on, also don't get me started on AR's. So depending on what time of year you might get a different opinion of a gun maker. Rest assured you can buy Sig with confidence.

rahrah12
03-02-2012, 05:45
I have a Sig P220 Carry - 2 years old.

Fantastic gun that has been flawless since day 1. It used to be my primary carry until my most recent purchase. I still carry it depending on weather and how I am dressed

I think that I hear/read more complaints from the rumor than from people having problems with actual guns that they own.

ca survivor
03-02-2012, 12:54
I was in a gun show and the guy was saying that a Taurus PT something, was better than a Glock, can't listen to what some people think :rofl:

Havasu
03-02-2012, 13:00
I think Sig still makes a top quality product. It's a good thing they do because their customer service is the pits.

series1811
03-02-2012, 13:22
I've owned, or had issued to me, the following SIGs.

1. Two P226s 9mm
2. One P228 9mm
3. Two P239's 9mm
4. P229 .40
5. P220 .45

Everyone of them was a flawless performer. Both P226's were West German models and had the best trigger pulls, but all were great guns.

robert91922
03-02-2012, 13:35
Just stay away from their 22lr Mosquito toygun made of pot metal.
Can't say anything bad about 9mm SIG P226 - good, reliable, could be my EDC gun.
About mags: I would buy aftermarket MecGar mags made for Sig, so I get better quality for a half $.

All these claims are from my own experience, not hearsay.

random southpaw
03-02-2012, 14:37
ok i dont own one i have shot some , but while going to a few dealers and gun shows , ive heard alot of bad things on SIGS , ive heard in the last 2 years quality has gone down bad ?? an one know ??

and i know alot of folks complaining how ugly the new styles are with the cheesy diamond plated guns ,which to me are fugly .


any insights ?

The bad rap on Sig tells you way more about the poor quality of the people who are badmouthing an excellent product. Remember who they are and trust none of their feedback about guns.

barth
03-02-2012, 17:24
My 1998 Classic Sig Sauer P220/45 w/P220 Sport 5.47" barrel and mags.
100% reliable with all types of HP ammo.
And rather accurate with Winchester Ranger T-Series 230 gr.
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo09/fd/dd/7da54042b7a2__1327194679000.jpg
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo36/63/fd/e57d50c109a3__1329951359000.jpg

FM12
03-02-2012, 18:59
When I was active duty LE, Our dept issued Sigs. The last one was a 229. We have never had a problem. Get one, be impressed and shoot it! thank me later.

series1811
03-03-2012, 15:28
Just stay away from their 22lr Mosquito toygun made of pot metal.
Can't say anything bad about 9mm SIG P226 - good, reliable, could be my EDC gun.
About mags: I would buy aftermarket MecGar mags made for Sig, so I get better quality for a half $.

All these claims are from my own experience, not hearsay.

I have a bunch of the MecGar mags for my 220. Never had a problem with them.

tim12232
03-03-2012, 22:18
P229 Enhanced Elite flawless, not one single malfunction of any kind, great trigger, accurate and I occasionally carry it IWB with a hybrid holster and the weight isnt too bad. Just between my Glock 19 and Dan Wesson 1911!

AA#5
03-03-2012, 22:58
There is NO product made today that hasn't gone down in quality. That includes Glocks (obviously), Sigs, etc.

I just replaced a 20-yr-old stove that died. The new G.E. was $1,500.00. After less than one year, it needed a $200.00 repair.

Rick O'Shay
03-04-2012, 11:13
I bought a used 220 in .45ACP a few years back. It's 100% reliable, accurate, and ergonomic. Wouldn't want to carry it, but shooting it is a blast!

ColdSteelNail
03-04-2012, 14:17
I have a long history with Sigs. My P226-9 is less than two years and all American made. I can't tell you how much I like this gun. Out of about 20 handguns I have owned it is my absolute favorite. Over 5k rounds and not a single hiccup. Eats everything and super accurate.

Dr.Crash
03-04-2012, 18:07
2010 Sig 229R German made here and it has been flawless.

Cobra64
03-07-2012, 11:49
ok i dont own one i have shot some , but while going to a few dealers and gun shows , ive heard alot of bad things on SIGS , ive heard in the last 2 years quality has gone down bad ?? an one know ??

and i know alot of folks complaining how ugly the new styles are with the cheesy diamond plated guns ,which to me are fugly .


any insights ?

All of mine have been 100% reliable.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000554-PICASSA.jpg




http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000553-PICASSA.jpg



The 229ST has been to hell and back with at least 10k on the clock.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P229/P229RIG2.jpg





Just grease the rails and barrel.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P229/P1030092.jpg

bac1023
03-12-2012, 19:49
Very nice pics, Mark :cool:

NEOH212
03-12-2012, 23:49
The BS about Sig's particularly the American ones being garbage is just plain BS!

As someone said above, every company has it's up's and down's in quality. While I don't care for their designer style pistols I have no worries about purchasing either the older German made or newer American made Sig pistols. They are one in the same to me.

I own five Sig's presently. Out of the five only one is a all German Sig. I haven't had a issue with any of them ever!

If what I have read from the internet know it all's is true, I should have had nothing but problems with four of them. :upeyes:

So much for what they supposedly know. I guess their creditability just went down the tube. I guess one of us are lying and passing bad information along.

All I can say about that is it's not me nor the people that agree with me on this. That pretty much narrows it down now doesn't it? :whistling:

Javelin
03-13-2012, 00:15
All of mine have been 100% reliable.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000554-PICASSA.jpg




http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000553-PICASSA.jpg



The 229ST has been to hell and back with at least 10k on the clock.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P229/P229RIG2.jpg





Just grease the rails and barrel.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P229/P1030092.jpg

Those are nice for sure. Didn't you have to send in one and they replaced the slide screw with something from HomeDepot?

:dunno:

TSAX
03-13-2012, 01:23
Lets put it this way, minus the US made Sigs, how many issues have people mentioned with the German ones. We hear much more about the ones made here and if you are on the Sig site where people talk about Sigs, you will read many many many more complaints and send back for this or that with the newer Sigs.

When I managed a gun range/shop all the people who had issues with Sigs unfortunately were all made here. It wasn't a lot but I remember in a 2 month span there was about 5 Sigs made here and none from Germany. Now if I remember correctly over a year it was about 16 made here and 1 German that had issue. We sent 2 HK's back but the Sig to HK ratio that year was like 4 to 1.

What the reason is, I have no clue, maybe they are using some super spray that coats the gun into rarely having issues that is outlawed in the US and the ones here have to be made with a lesser quality spray, this is not a fact just an idea.

However, in the chocolate industry candy like Kit Kats or Nestle Crunch bars I bought in Canada tastes so much richer. I asked this to someone in the industry and they said the US is more restrictive with ingredients.

There are many that dont have issues with US made Sigs but there are enough to be hesitant. Like a lot of people are hesitant with the Gen 4 Glocks. (I'm buying a Gen 4 G34 when funding permits)





:50cal:

fowler
03-14-2012, 04:51
You get a alot of BS about Sigs on the web from people who want to degrade the product by its price. Sigs do run about middle to middle high price but $500 don,t buy much today in a well made pistol. Today middle range good pistols like the Sigs and others run $700-800. High end models $1000-1100 and custom $1500-3000. I have had no problem with the new NH Exter USA made Sigs. Infact less than the early German ones I sold and replaced with new USA made ones. Its a no -brainer get the stronger one piece milled stainless slide and +P rated with new rust proof IONBOND Nitron finish. I have 4 new USA made SIGS made in the last year or two and all have been %100 reliable &accurate with 1000,s rds fired with no issues at all.

LDNN
03-14-2012, 21:27
Sig quality has been great to me, I've never had any failure of any kind while shooting a Sig (or a Glock).

thinkfast
04-09-2012, 08:22
My 220 & 239 are the only semiautomatic handguns I've owned that have fired reloads & commercial ammo 100%. Hot stuff, downloaded 9's, jhp, 115-147 grain lead reloads, everything. I can't find something they won't eat over 10+yrs of ownership.

Maybe other brands have stuffed more rounds in the mag & weigh 5 oz less--but 100% reliability has its place too.

2-8 Marine
04-09-2012, 09:16
Give me an old German made Sig any day.

While that is very true and I absolutely love my German
P 228, I still believe Sig's to be among the highest quality handguns made today. I own a 228, two 239's and a 238. All have performed flawlessly.

f1pap
04-09-2012, 11:27
9mm 226
9mm 2022
9mm 239
9mm 230
ALL FLAWLESS!! 239 is a ccw/ 226 is an edc (dont leave home w/out it)

Cobra64
04-09-2012, 16:18
Those are nice for sure. Didn't you have to send in one and they replaced the slide screw with something from HomeDepot?

:dunno:

Huh?

There are no slide screws.

I snapped a firing pin positioning pin from excessive dry firing my P220ST.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1010476.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1010478.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1010477.jpg



I replaced it with a new Sig OEM pin that I ordered from Top Gun Supply. I don't improvise on my firearms or cars.

Micro
04-09-2012, 19:32
IIRC the bad rap for American made Sigs began when they switched from the folded carbon steel slide with internal extractor to the milled slide with internal extractor. Their were numerous reports of extraction failures. Sig then went to the external extractor. The external extractor works exceptionally well.

Sig never really completely shook off the perception of problems that cropped up when they switched to a milled slide. Traditionalists still lament the end of the folded slide. Nevermind that the milled stainless steel slide is superior to the older folded slide in every way, except weight.

Then the Sig Mosquito, the 250 and 290 have either been problematic or not well received. More ammo for the internet haters.

And some of their early 1911s were troublesome.

Despite past problems, and a few odd models, Sigs core-line of P-series pistols, the P232 and their new 1911s are among the finest guns you can buy.

1stMAW
04-10-2012, 09:24
I own 15 German made Sigs and one American made( a stainless 226) and the U.S. made is the only one I have had issues with, My German sigs have been flawless in operation...
German (4) P-6's, (3) 226's, (3) 228's, (2) 220's, (3) 229's....

fowler
04-11-2012, 05:18
Got 4 new Exeters made in 2011-2012 and no problems. Great pistols,alot gripe about the price ,but thats the going rate of the middle of the road pistols from Kimber,Colt,Hk,Sig. I have had the older sigs 20 years ago and prefer the new ones over the old ones for there stronger finish,slide and better external extracter. Great pistols and top -Q.

Alliance50
04-11-2012, 09:06
Quality issues with new sigs! BS

Just can't say it any other way.:rofl:

camaro_dave
04-13-2012, 14:59
i never had an issue with my newer sig. i had a gen 2 p229 sas in 40 that felt great shot great 100%. sold it and now have a 1994 model p229 no rail in .357 and also with a 40 bbl. they both seem far better than any other pistol i have owned as far as fit and finish and wouldnt say one was nicer than the other.

neby98
04-18-2012, 16:17
My last two sigs have been trash. I had the p250 in .40 that had stove pipes and now I'm having issues with the p238 and they tell me that new recoil springs need 150 round break ins. I'm having double feed issues. I believe firmly that the 226-229 etc. are solid weapons, but I for one won't buy another Sig which is something that ought to be reserved for the likes of Taurus, not Sig.

WoodenPlank
04-18-2012, 22:48
My last two sigs have been trash. I had the p250 in .40 that had stove pipes and now I'm having issues with the p238 and they tell me that new recoil springs need 150 round break ins. I'm having double feed issues. I believe firmly that the 226-229 etc. are solid weapons, but I for one won't buy another Sig which is something that ought to be reserved for the likes of Taurus, not Sig.

There's your problem... :whistling:

Also, I'm not so sure that the recoil spring is the problem with your 238, as I'm not sure how a recoil spring being too heavy would cause double-feeds. Sounds to me that the feed lips on the magazines(s) is/are out of spec, or the mag isn't seated at the right depth compared to the breech face.

fowler
04-21-2012, 19:36
The new American made sigs are the best sigs ever made. The new stronger one piece milled slides are stronger ,rust proof and have over 4 times the service life of the weaker carbon slides that can spread ,loose the breach block ,plus are rust prone. The newer external extracters are trouble free and last longer than the old Sigs of way back yesterday. There are alot of Old Sigs that are surplus now being phased out of service. Alot have been replaced with SP2022 new Sigs in France and by the Swiss police. There is a lot BS by those that don,t want to belly up and pay for a new top grade Sig. Any cheap pistol is near $400 and mid price 500-600 and the better pistols $700-1000 like Kimber ,colt,Sig ,HK. Our local gun-mart has new 226r's on sale for $699.

fowler
04-21-2012, 19:53
THe worse Sig ever made would be the 250 and the 238,what were they thinking????