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Clearblue
03-02-2012, 08:37
Im new to the AR platform, except for shooting my dad's as a young teen. My LGS has a Stag model 3 that I'm interested in. Any complaints about their quality or reliability? Should I spend a little more and get the gas piston version?(model 8) or another brand? (Spikes, Daniel Defense)

Also, am interested in the Franklin 7.5" AR pistol. Looks like it would be fun to should and a capable HD weapon Anything bad with those?

svtpwnz
03-02-2012, 08:57
Daniel Defense, Colt 6920, Bravo Company is what I would be looking for. Get a quality AR that is ready to run right out of the box that you won't have to worry about later on down the road. The Colt can be had for under a grand and is a damn fine rifle.

jem375
03-02-2012, 09:01
Nothing wrong with Stag, if you want it, buy it and shoot it, will work just fine..

M&P15T
03-02-2012, 09:09
Also, am interested in the Franklin 7.5" AR pistol. Looks like it would be fun to should and a capable HD weapon Anything bad with those?

You're asking if there's any draw-backs to using a 7.5" AR pistol as an HD weapon?:rofl::rofl:

mixflip
03-02-2012, 09:09
My 1st AR was a DPMS, then later a Stag. Both did everything I wanted and needed at my level of knowledge at the time.

Im buying another AR soon and it will be a Colt 6920. Read the thread on "AR resale value" that was recently posted and watch Sturmgewehre's video on the Colt 6920 if you want to know why I decided to go this route.

Yes its a few hundred more than its competitors but as wiz-bang-super AR companies come and go... the old Colt is timeless. Not the best, not the worst but the easiest to sell and the most likely to retain,if not grow in value. (such as the discontinued LE marked models)

jamesbern
03-02-2012, 09:33
What's the price on the Stag out the door?

Glock 1
03-02-2012, 10:51
I have a LE6920 arriving Monday and a SP6920MP arriving Tuesday. I bought them for the same reasons as listed by mixflip.

Clearblue
03-02-2012, 14:39
Price out the door is about $1050 for the Stag model 3.

I've got the shotgun (Reminton 870 tactical) for HD covered, and was thinking the AR pistol would be fun and good for a possible zombie invasion.

cyphertext
03-02-2012, 15:05
The model 3 has an $895 price tag on Stag's web page. The price you quoted seems kinda high, unless you have added sights or some other accessories.

svtpwnz
03-02-2012, 15:21
Price out the door is about $1050 for the Stag model 3.

I've got the shotgun (Reminton 870 tactical) for HD covered, and was thinking the AR pistol would be fun and good for a possible zombie invasion.

Hell with that! I would get the Colt all day long over that Stag! Just my .02

Clearblue
03-02-2012, 15:33
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

svtpwnz
03-02-2012, 15:39
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

Nah, they are complete equals. Have fun with your new Stag.

cyphertext
03-02-2012, 15:57
The Colt will come with a 4150 CMV barrel, the bolt and barrel will be MP and HP tested, it will have the M16 BCG instead of a semi auto BCG, barrel will be 1:7 twist instead of 1:9 twist, and maybe a few other dotted i's and crossed t's so that it can me marketed as meeting "mil-spec". You can add all this to your Stag for another $100, if it is important to you.

Honestly, if I was spending that money and could find one in stock, I would buy the Colt too. You can get that rail handguard from Stag and replace the handguards on the Colt and still be ahead.

WoodenPlank
03-02-2012, 17:03
The Colt will come with a 4150 CMV barrel, the bolt and barrel will be MP and HP tested, it will have the M16 BCG instead of a semi auto BCG, barrel will be 1:7 twist instead of 1:9 twist, and maybe a few other dotted i's and crossed t's so that it can me marketed as meeting "mil-spec". You can add all this to your Stag for another $100, if it is important to you.

Honestly, if I was spending that money and could find one in stock, I would buy the Colt too. You can get that rail handguard from Stag and replace the handguards on the Colt and still be ahead.

Replacing the barrel and BCG will cost a LOT more than $100 to match the quality of a BCM, Colt, LMT, etc...

svtpwnz
03-02-2012, 17:35
Replacing the barrel and BCG will cost a LOT more than $100 to match the quality of a BCM, Colt, LMT, etc...

+1 A BCM/DD BCG is $130 just by itself.

cyphertext
03-02-2012, 18:45
Replacing the barrel and BCG will cost a LOT more than $100 to match the quality of a BCM, Colt, LMT, etc...

What I meant was that for $100, Stag has the Plus package that matches "spec". Never handled a Stag, so I can't speak to the "quality" vs. Colt. Remember, I shoot a mere S&W M&P Sport. :whistling:

Javelin
03-02-2012, 20:11
Gas piston - no

If you have some coin I would look at KAC or Noveske. Else the Colt 6920, LMT..etc.

:wavey:

RJHUB
03-02-2012, 20:45
Got a Stag model 3. Shoots great.
Have shot quality ammo and the cheapest steel case.
Paid $799 with 100rnds of ammo thrown in. I liked the small dia. Diamond head hand guard.
Is it mil.spec.? Look at barrel markings.
Does it have any extras. Mine was bare bones.

I have seen a few Colts lately for about the price you qouted.

G30Mike
03-02-2012, 20:46
I went with the Colt 6720. I would definitely recomment what others have. Colt, BCM, DD, or if you have the money....Noveske. My next M4 will be from Noveske no doubt.

mixflip
03-02-2012, 20:51
Nowadays EVERYBODY makes a "mil-spec" models. Keep in mind only 3 companies have been entrusted with the DOD TDP's (technical data package) to make a true mil-spec rifle (less the select fire of course, for civilians)

Colt, FNH and Sabre Defense.

This doesnt mean they are the best. It just gives them a little clout and maybe some perceived re-sale value. Are they better? No. Will there be folks who will buy them over other brands based on name alone? Absolutely.

WoodenPlank
03-02-2012, 21:57
Nowadays EVERYBODY makes a "mil-spec" models. Keep in mind only 3 companies have been entrusted with the DOD TDP's (technical data package) to make a true mil-spec rifle (less the select fire of course, for civilians)

Colt, FNH and Sabre Defense.

This doesnt mean they are the best. It just gives then a little clout and maybe some perceived re-sale value. Are they better? No. Will there be folks who will buy them over other brands based on name alone? Absolutely.

...and only two of those still exist.

BBJones
03-02-2012, 22:52
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

Yes it cuts up your food for you.

Nah, they are complete equals. Have fun with your new Stag.

:)

Cole125
03-03-2012, 09:06
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

:popcorn:


Really you cannot go wrong with Stag. Guys will tell you you need a top of the line AR. That is fine if you have the money but unless you are a hard use operator you will not be able to tell the difference between middle of the road and high end ARs.

Magelk
03-03-2012, 09:28
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

Colt has a 1 year warranty.
Stag is lifetime.

Colt has a shot peened bolt, Stag doesn't.
Colt's gas key will be properly staked, Stag's - maybe.

Colt's barrel will be 11595E, Stag will be 4140.

Colt's barrel will be HPT/MPI, Stag does batch testing.

Same with the bolt.

Colt will be 1 in 7 twist, Stag will be 1 in 9.

What's all that mean? Nothing to most people. Figure out what you really want and if any of that matters to you. The shot peening of the bolt is in my opinion, the one thing stag shouldn't leave out.

Clearblue
03-08-2012, 22:48
Well with all that, I looked at a few others. I like the pieces of all of them. So I think I will just build one. I found a Stag lower for a good deal and I like the Daniel Defense trigger feel, so that will be the parts kit. I saw a Fail Zero complete BCG, got to go with that. As for the upper, since I'm a lefty, I am still looking at the Stag model 3 with the railed forend and flip down metal sights. I'm not shooting heavy ammo, so I think the 1:9 twist will be fine. A mil spec buffer and Magpul adj. stock and MBUS flip down sights and I'm good to go. And now for under $1000

jamesbern
03-09-2012, 07:28
Well with all that, I looked at a few others. I like the pieces of all of them. So I think I will just build one. I found a Stag lower for a good deal and I like the Daniel Defense trigger feel, so that will be the parts kit. I saw a Fail Zero complete BCG, got to go with that. As for the upper, since I'm a lefty, I am still looking at the Stag model 3 with the railed forend and flip down metal sights. I'm not shooting heavy ammo, so I think the 1:9 twist will be fine. A mil spec buffer and Magpul adj. stock and MBUS flip down sights and I'm good to go. And now for under $1000

I wouldn't worry about a lefty upper and BCG (you do realize you need a lefty bolt carrier group to use a left eject upper right?)

I'm a lefty as well and I'm currently running my custom build which is a standard right hand eject AR. Brass doesn't hit me at all and it is easy to see when i'm empty or if there was an issue.

Building your own, may I suggest the following:

Demo BCM upper complete ($80)
BCM M16 BCG ($140)
Gunfighter charging handle ($45)
For barrels depending on what you want check out BCM or Daniel Defense. I got my 16" mid length gas DD barrelf for $260 or so.

When you decide to step it up even more a lefty upper is going to be harder to sell than a right handed version.

Clearblue
03-09-2012, 07:48
Good point on the lefty vs right. Ive only looked at complete uppers minus the bcg. I'll have to check out your reccomendations.