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Bilbo Bagins
03-02-2012, 09:10
I have been looking to buy a new 9mm after I traded away my Kel Tec Pf9 due to mag release issue when I carried IWB and other issues.

I'm looking to also try to carry this new 9mm inside my front pocket. I never really tried it with the PF9.

Currently I'm looking at the Ruger LC9, the Kahr CM9, and the Beretta Nano, and I'm looking at the Remora clipless holsters that can go IWB or used as a pocket holster. Can any of those guns be comfortably carried in the front pocket.

I'm 6'2" and middle aged, so no skinny jeans. :supergrin:

tattedglock651
03-02-2012, 09:16
Sig has a 9mm version of the P238 coming out soon. I've shot the P238 and it's a sweet little gun so if the 9mm version follows in its footsteps it should be as well. I've only held LC9 never actually shot it but it felt pretty good in my hand. And the NANO has some great reviews. Personally I'm waiting for the Sig to come out before I make the pocket carry purchase


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SCmasterblaster
03-02-2012, 09:28
Try the G19 or the smaller Glock 9mms.

B.Reid
03-02-2012, 09:32
The Glock is to big for pocket carry, I am interested in the Sig, have not seen one yet.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-02-2012, 10:53
Maybe these pics will help. G26, PM9, 642, LCP.

Some of these are much smaller than the others :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6887754683_11f8624aa8_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7176/6887755129_60b9e76dc0_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/6923310197_015713256a_b.jpg[/QUOTE]

Chesafreak
03-02-2012, 11:55
If you want to pocket carry a 9mm, you need big pockets. My LC9 doesn't fit in jeans pockets. It will fit in my dress pants pocket, and its bulky. If you want to pocket carry, you need a 380. I had a Ruger LCP for pocket carry and traded it for credit on an LC9. I have a Remora for the LC9 that works well IWB and in the pocket.

RJ's Guns
03-02-2012, 13:06
I believe that the Rohrbaugh R9s is the smallest and lightest 9mm pistol. It is very well made and mine has never had a malfunction. I find that I carry my R9s much more than anything else. I find that the other recommendations pale in comparison.
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/

RJ

Chesafreak
03-02-2012, 13:16
I believe that the Rohrbaugh R9s is the smallest and lightest 9mm pistol. It is very well made and mine has never had a malfunction. I find that I carry my R9s much more than anything else. I find that the other recommendations pale in comparison.
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/

RJ

So you carry it often, but do you shoot it often? How reliable has yours been?

If you search this forum, you will find about a dozen threads on the R9. The consensus seems to be that they are punishing to shoot, require a frequent recoil spring change, and are finicky about ammo selection and jam frequently. Also can't fire +P ammo.

cowboywannabe
03-02-2012, 13:20
i like my LC9 but it is not the best size for pocket carry in my opinion. the PM9 might be about as big as you can comfortably go. the 642 is good also, even though it has the cylinder buldge, the lack of a slide means the gun stops short and at a nice angle to allow it to sit in the pocket well when seated.

Bilbo Bagins
03-02-2012, 14:04
Maybe these pics will help. G26, PM9, 642, LCP.

Some of these are much smaller than the others :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6887754683_11f8624aa8_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7176/6887755129_60b9e76dc0_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/6923310197_015713256a_b.jpg[/QUOTE]

Outstanding as always Ithaca.

Looking at the mousegun chart, the the PM9 does look a little smaller in all the right place, compared to the LC9. Like Cowboywannabe said, I might be able to squeeze it.

http://mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf

For the record, I have a Kel Tec P3AT, a P32, a Beretta bobcat and a NAA mini revolver, so if I need smaller, I have smaller. I just want a 9mm that can do pocket duty.

Able 5
03-02-2012, 14:38
BB, to answer your question....yes you can pocket carry a PM/CM9 I do most summer days and when dress requires in more formal occasions. I use the Kahr Pocket holster.

Officer X
03-02-2012, 17:38
Kimber Solo

jb1911
03-02-2012, 17:38
I vote for the one on the left:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6513271159_26f6566bc9_b.jpg

pipedreams
03-02-2012, 17:49
LC9 a bit big and heavy for pocket carry but great for IWB.

ATW525
03-02-2012, 17:51
I recently picked up a Nano. Haven't brought it to the range yet, but I've really grown to love the feel of it in the hand. In the past I've owned a Kel-Tec PF-9 and Kahr PM40 and neither ever really felt good to me.

RJ's Guns
03-02-2012, 17:53
So you carry it often, but do you shoot it often? How reliable has yours been?

If you search this forum, you will find about a dozen threads on the R9. The consensus seems to be that they are punishing to shoot, require a frequent recoil spring change, and are finicky about ammo selection and jam frequently. Also can't fire +P ammo.

I shoot my R9s 1 or 2 times per month (20 - 50 rounds). I do not remember when I bought it but my best guess is 6-8 years ago.

I am not recoil sensitive, so I do not find it punishing to shoot. According to my PACT timer, follow-up shots with "A hits (which if memory serves me correctly is a 4" x 9" target) at 15 feet run .15 - .25 sec, but then I am old (61 years old).

I have not made it a point to shoot every brand and configuration of 9mm and only shoot premium grade ammo through it, but I have not had any proplems, Specifically, I have not had any failures to feed, failures to fire or failures to eject. But I have no doubt, that with most auto loaders, having a limp wrist would probably cause a problem.

I change the recoil spring about every 200 - 250 rounds. That really is not a problem for me.

I do not shoot +P ammo in any of my small, light weight handguns.

I find that most critics of the Rohrbaugh have never owned one and can not afford one, so they are critical of the pistol so as to make themselves feel better about not having one. That also helps to make them feel more satisfied about what they do have and what they can afford, but that is just my personal opinion and others may differ.

I have reason to believe that some of the people on the internet that criticize a Rohrbaugh are lying about having one, as everyone that I know that has one has nothing but praise and wonderful things to say about their Rohrbaugh.

RJ

xmanhockey7
03-02-2012, 19:24
If I were you I'd wait for the Sig 939 to come out (9mm version of the 238).

ithaca_deerslayer
03-02-2012, 20:00
If those picture above helped, here are their fully loaded weights, too, according to my own measurements :)

26 with 10+1 = 26 oz, 124gr (fps not measured, guess 1090 or more)
PM9 with 6+1 = 20 oz, 124gr 1090 fps
642 with 5 = 17 oz, 158gr 795 fps
LCP with 6+1= 12 oz, 90gr 925 fps

CVN76
03-02-2012, 20:04
This is what I am thinking about buying for summer time carry: Diamondback DB9

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/09/tim-mcnabb/gun-review-diamonback-db9/

profiler999
03-02-2012, 21:16
Boberg xr9s.

BroncoAZ
03-03-2012, 14:42
I like the Kahr PM9/CM9 for IWB carry or pocket carry in large cargo pockets. For smaller pockets or dress slacks the Kahr P380 or Ruger LCP is a good choice (the Kahr is a better gun in every way but cost). The heavier 9mm will flop around in a loose pocket more than the lighter .380.

cowboywannabe
03-03-2012, 15:04
the rohrbaugh 9mm would seem to be the balance between size and power alright. but id worry about the recoil.

im not recoil sensitive, but my LWS32 beats the hell out of my trigger finger after 20 or so rounds. the KT and LCP .380s i had werent that bad to shoot but werent that easy to shoot well because theyre so small. id hate to spend $1,200.00 on the R9 and find isnt isnt my cup-o-tea then have to try to sell it without taking a beating worse than it gave me at the range.

the problem for many is these boutique guns arent available for test fire before you buy. ive never seen one at a range for rent.

unit1069
03-03-2012, 17:20
As time goes by I have arrived at the conclusion that I wouldn't "pocket carry" any pistol with a round in the chamber unless it was in a holster.

BroncoAZ
03-03-2012, 17:33
As time goes by I have arrived at the conclusion that I wouldn't "pocket carry" any pistol with a round in the chamber unless it was in a holster.

I agree, I use a pocket holster that completely covers the trigger.

Nakanokalronin
03-03-2012, 19:07
The only pocket 9 I know to be close to a pocket .380 in size is the Kimber Solo. It's only a tad thicker then a P238 but the same height and length. The new 938 is a tad thicker in the slide over the 238 plus a little longer in the slide & muzzle. Not going to say for sure if it's pocketable until I see one in person.

My P238 & Solo
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg225/scaled.php?server=225&filename=solop238compare3.jpg&res=medium

P238 & P938 (Google images)
http://www.greatsataninc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SigP238andP938-backstraps.jpg
http://www.greatsataninc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SigP238andP938-1.jpg

BroncoAZ
03-03-2012, 19:47
The only pocket 9 I know to be close to a pocket .380 in size is the Kimber Solo. It's only a tad thicker then a P238 but the same height and length.

Tha Kahr PM9/CM9 are shorter in the slide and thinner than the Solo. The Solo is .1" shorter in the grip length.

Nakanokalronin
03-03-2012, 20:13
Tha Kahr PM9/CM9 are shorter in the slide and thinner than the Solo. The Solo is .1" shorter in the grip length.

It's the smallest 9mm I've handled or shot. The difference between the Kahr and Solo are less then insignificant. At this point in pocket 9s, it seems arguments are revolving around tenth's of an inch.

http://www.homedefenseweapons.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Kimber-Solo-vs-Kahr-PM91.jpg

BroncoAZ
03-03-2012, 20:25
It's the smallest 9mm I've handled or shot. The difference between the Kahr and Solo are less then insignificant. At this point in pocket 9s, it seems arguments are revolving around tenth's of an inch.


You are correct that the difference is insignificant, but I was pointing out that the Kahr is right there with the Solo. The Solo is not the only pocket 9mm close to the size of a .380.

I forgot about the Diamondback DB9, yet thinner and lighter than either the Solo or the Kahr. I fingered one at the LGS last year. They are thin, but the trigger guard was far too small for me to comfortably get my finger into.

dudel
03-04-2012, 08:46
This is what I am thinking about buying for summer time carry: Diamondback DB9

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/09/tim-mcnabb/gun-review-diamonback-db9/

I have one, and it shoots fine. I find the trigger much better than the Ruger TCP or LC9, but that's just me. I carry it in a Desantis Nemesis. Note that it great as a backup gun. I'd get a newer serial number and they've made a number of improvements to improve feeding,

MilitantBEEMER
03-04-2012, 20:56
I like the looks of the Sig 938 and the Kimber Solo

ScottieG59
03-09-2012, 22:54
I have also been looking at the pocket 9's out there. The thing that sticks in my mind is that the Kahr PM9 can handle the +P rounds for occational use. I do not remember about the +P+ in the Kahr. I do not know what that gets me in a pocket pistol.

I normally carry a Glock 27 in an IWB holster. I have done pocket carry in a pocket holster, but the 27 is very thick for that.

I think the single stack PM9 would be great. I have a Kahr P380 and it is very well made, but does not like cheap Serbian ammo. I have fired the "+P" 380 ammo from Buffalo Bore and it seems to have more power.

I have also considered the PM40, but I do not know how reliable they are. They have greater recoil, but are exactly the same size as the PM9.

For now, I have to many other things to pay for to get a new gun. For pocket carry, I usually go with a Ruger LCR or the Kahr P380.

TSAX
03-09-2012, 22:59
Thanks for all the comparisons, this is a good thread, tagged






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canav844
03-09-2012, 23:05
With the need for deep concealment on a distant horizon I set about looking for a pocket gun a few months ago, took a look at a kel-tec, and the LCP; week later I managed to get a LC9 and LCP side by side; the LCP was the right size but the LC9, well at that point I might as well pocket my Glock. $11 later for a DeSantis Pocket holster and the G27 is my pocket gun. Saved $270 when I figured that one out.

Now I may get a LCP down the road, but I've already got 40S&W and 9mm, and I'm not looking to add yet another more expensive caliber to stock and practice with just yet.

Warp
03-10-2012, 00:15
I still think a 642 makes an excellent pocket gun.

I keep Buffalo Bore 158gr +P LSWCHP in mine. (pachmayr compact grips)

wfparys
03-10-2012, 16:53
for pocket carry I can recommend the FIST Kydex pocket holster

EL COLONEL
03-12-2012, 08:27
Cm 9 great for cargo shorts....:cool:

PEC-Memphis
03-12-2012, 08:57
I believe that the Rohrbaugh R9s is the smallest and lightest 9mm pistol. It is very well made and mine has never had a malfunction. I find that I carry my R9s much more than anything else. I find that the other recommendations pale in comparison.
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/

RJ

Actually, the Diamond Back DB9 is a bit smaller and lighter, easily a "pocket pistol".

Very close to the LCP.

I friend purchased a BD9 recently - so far (about 100 rounds) is has be 100% reliable. 100 rounds isn't much to go on - but it is better than having a failure in the 1st 100. It ejects the cases about 12-15 feet. Recoil, as you might expect, is brisk.

Accuracy is adequate for 10-15 yards - but noticeably less accurate than an LCP. ( I can hit a 28 yard 8" plate to point of aim with my LCP - even with the miniscule LCP sights).

dodgecope89
03-12-2012, 09:16
I made this decision not very long ago myself. For myself overall the LC9 was my choice the others u mentioned were considered but i decided i liked the larger grip of the LC9 better. While the others were probably a little more pocketable i have no problem carrying my LC9 in my front pocket. Thats what works for me.


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HKLovingIT
03-12-2012, 11:43
I've got comparison shots up in my review of the LC9 versus the G26 and the PM9.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1386655

I think the PM9 is totally doable in the pocket. The LC9 you could pocket but I got mine because I was looking for a small 9 with a bigger grip for the belt. Something between the PM9 and G26. :dunno:

timbo813
03-12-2012, 17:32
I was just in the same boat as you. I had a M&P9c and a keltec p32. I wanted a better gun than the p32 that would still fit in my pocket. After fondling several of the popular choices I went with the CM9. So far, I am very pleased. It fits comfortably in the front pocket of my jeans. It also has a much better trigger and sights than the LCP type guns.

Tiro Fijo
03-12-2012, 18:14
I pocket carry a SIG P290 often in a DeSantis Super Fly. Very comfortable.

Walk Soft
03-12-2012, 18:56
I pocket carry this everyday.It happened because I can't carry at work,so I just leave it in the pocket holster.Grab it in the morning put it my pocket til I get to work.Then I leave it in the truck.When I get back out of the truck,after work I put it in my pocket where it stays til bed time.Then it resides with my G37(with light)at beside.It's just easier to shove it in your pocket than undue a belt every time and I don't like IWB in front.

I can get it out fairly quickly,and if ever I'm unsure of something I have a full grip on it with hands in pockets.
http://http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z433/lexibilly/003-1.jpg (http://[IMG]http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z433/lexibilly/003-1.jpg[/IMG)

RJ's Guns
03-13-2012, 22:55
Actually, the Diamond Back DB9 is a bit smaller and lighter, easily a "pocket pistol".

.

I do not think you are correct about the Diamond Back DB9 being smaller:

Rohrbaugh
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Magazine Capacity:6 Rounds

Diamond Back DB9
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds
Weight: 11 Ounces
Length: 5.60″
Height: 4.00″ with mag
Width: 0.80″
Barrel Length: 3.00″
Firing Mechanism: Striker Fire
Trigger Pull: DAO

The Diamond Back DB9 is lighter. It is obvious that there is absolutely no comparison with regards to build quality.

RJ

BrewerGeorge
03-13-2012, 23:45
I have a G26, CM9, and TCP. Haven't tried the Glock in the pocket because I think the CM9 is too big. Oh, you can stuff it in many pockets, but it's FAR from optimal. Either the pockets are not big enough (jeans) or if they are big enough (slacks or cargo pants), they're also loose and the gun smacks you in the leg every time you take a step. When you sit down? Forgetaboutit. Looks like a tumor on your leg.

The TCP is just smaller enough and lighter enough that it is significantly more effective. Fits in every pair of pants I've tried - even pajama bottoms - with enough room left over to be able to easily grip and draw.

ScottieG59
03-14-2012, 00:12
The tough thing I see with the "pocket 9" is that there are so many options. Realistically, I can conceal much larger handguns. Still, there are days it is tough to conceal my Glock 27.

Pocket carry is not my favorite option. I am still on the fence on this one.

PEC-Memphis
03-14-2012, 09:41
I do not think you are correct about the Diamond Back DB9 being smaller:

Rohrbaugh
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Magazine Capacity:6 Rounds

Diamond Back DB9
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds
Weight: 11 Ounces
Length: 5.60″
Height: 4.00″ with mag
Width: 0.80″
Barrel Length: 3.00″
Firing Mechanism: Striker Fire
Trigger Pull: DAO

The Diamond Back DB9 is lighter. It is obvious that there is absolutely no comparison with regards to build quality.

RJ

Originally Posted by PEC-Memphis View Post
Actually, the Diamond Back DB9 is a bit smaller and lighter, easily a "pocket pistol".

I stand corrected. I took a quick look at the weight and just "assumed".

How much is the R9?

OldSchool64
03-14-2012, 19:43
I really like the size of the PM9/CM9 but I had to buy a Glock 26. Why...1) I like Glocks, 2) Fits my hand great, 3) Shoots great.

I should also add that I haven't shoot a Karh PM9/CM9, they may shoot as well as the G26. And these Karh's would be better for coat pocket carry, I would like to own one.

BroncoAZ
03-14-2012, 22:46
I stand corrected. I took a quick look at the weight and just "assumed".

How much is the R9?

I saw a used one with a pocket laser in a local shop last week for $999. It is only the second one I've ever seen.

saxconnection
03-14-2012, 23:54
I shoot my R9s 1 or 2 times per month (20 - 50 rounds). I do not remember when I bought it but my best guess is 6-8 years ago.

I am not recoil sensitive, so I do not find it punishing to shoot. According to my PACT timer, follow-up shots with "A hits (which if memory serves me correctly is a 4" x 9" target) at 15 feet run .15 - .25 sec, but then I am old (61 years old).

I have not made it a point to shoot every brand and configuration of 9mm and only shoot premium grade ammo through it, but I have not had any proplems, Specifically, I have not had any failures to feed, failures to fire or failures to eject. But I have no doubt, that with most auto loaders, having a limp wrist would probably cause a problem.

I change the recoil spring about every 200 - 250 rounds. That really is not a problem for me.

I do not shoot +P ammo in any of my small, light weight handguns.

I find that most critics of the Rohrbaugh have never owned one and can not afford one, so they are critical of the pistol so as to make themselves feel better about not having one. That also helps to make them feel more satisfied about what they do have and what they can afford, but that is just my personal opinion and others may differ.

I have reason to believe that some of the people on the internet that criticize a Rohrbaugh are lying about having one, as everyone that I know that has one has nothing but praise and wonderful things to say about their Rohrbaugh.

RJ

I Love my R9s. It is the most accurate, well built pocket gun I own. One of the things that makes it that way is the fact that it has 8 lands and grooves in the barrel. I use it as my "dress" pocket gun. When I have to go to a wedding, funeral, etc. Somewhere where there's lots of family, and hugging, and such, there seems to always be someone who "brushes" your gun at least once. My R9s is the answer to that. With all that being said, my daily BUG is a S&W 342. If it gets beat up, I don't care as much as if my R9 gets beat up.

I have never had a malfunction and follow-up shots are easy. Mine likes Federal 124 gr. HST, and also feeds Hornady's 115 gr. Critical Defense with no problem. It isn't carried often, and is shot less often (I have plenty of other guns to shoot). The trigger is phenomenal. It is very clean, and with no stacking the break is a true surprise, yielding surprising accuracy from such a small gun.

A couple things about the R9 to be aware of: I got my R9s in a trade with my Dad. I recommended it to him because he didn't want a revolver, and he wanted something classy for a BUG/pocket gun. After 50 rounds, he gave up. The trigger guard would smack his trigger finger with every shot. He has medium size hands with big sausage fingers, and after only 20 rounds, there was a noticeable dent in the top of his finger. 30 rounds later, he couldn't take it anymore. I bought him a brand new S&W M&P 340. He was hesitant, but after 5 rounds, he was in love with it, and I took the R9s home with me.

The R9 is not rated for +P ammo. If that is your bag, the R9 is not for you. Also, there is more upkeep with an R9, and the field strip is a bit more complicated. The recoil spring will need to be replaced frequently if you shoot any kind of volume with it. Also, you can't treat it like you would your lawnmower (remember the saying, if you treat your gun like you treat your lawnmower, get a GLOCK).

That being said, if you take care of your R9, it will take care of you. They are well made guns that fulfill a special role. Wow, writing all that makes me want to take my R9s out and hit the range with it.

Take care and good luck. If you have the means, I would definitely recommend this little jewel.

Adam

MinnesnowtaWild
03-15-2012, 01:32
Been trying to decide whether I want to get a smaller 9mm like the Kahr CM9 or CW9 or if I should get a Glock 23 and just be happy carrying my G26 all summer. I am tall and very skinny so a "pocket" 9mm would be useful.

High Altitude
03-15-2012, 19:24
I wish someone would make a small pocket 9mm, like the DB9, but with glock/M&P quality and price.

GLOCK17DB9
03-15-2012, 19:49
I have a DB9 and I think that the size/mass is the problem in a 9mm. It just can't handle the recoil at 11 oz. IMO.:dunno:

tattedglock651
03-15-2012, 21:27
I wish someone would make a small pocket 9mm, like the DB9, but with glock/M&P quality and price.

Check out the SIG P938 they go for between 525 and 550 online if you can get a hold of yet...


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MinnesnowtaWild
03-16-2012, 00:14
The only thing I don't like about the Sig P238 and P938 is I don't personally want a carry gun "cocked and locked". I carry my Glock with one in the chamber and I have no issues with that, but having a hammer cocked on a loaded chamber and a light SA trigger is not okay with me.

Personal opinion, please don't flame.

High Altitude
03-16-2012, 00:29
I have nothing against a cocked and locked setup, but I don't want to carry a pistol like that (in a holster of course) in my pocket. On my hip, no problem.

Bilbo Bagins
03-16-2012, 06:49
I have nothing against a cocked and locked setup, but I don't want to carry a pistol like that (in a holster of course) in my pocket. On my hip, no problem.

I'm kind of leary about it myself and on paper the p938 is the same length and weight as the Ruger LC9, so its a little bigger the its .380 cousin and the PM9/CM9 and the Diamondback DB9

Still its a sexy and somewhat expensive gun.

http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p938-blackwood.aspx

Nakanokalronin
03-16-2012, 08:54
The P238 has a half cock notch, a VERY positive thumb safety and firing pin block that does not disengage until the trigger is pulled. It's plenty safe for pocket carry.

The Glock basically has a pointy spring loaded punch sitting right behind a chambered round with the only thing stopping it from moving is a striker block and a worthless plastic tab on the trigger. The main difference is that you can't see the striker.

Both are safe platforms but you need to use the safety between your ears above everything else.

TBO
03-16-2012, 09:00
If you plan to pocket carry purchase your pants based upon pocket size. Some pockets/pant legs don't allow much room (depends on your build too). If you have the option of purchasing an athletic cut that can help too.

Bilbo Bagins
03-16-2012, 09:15
The P238 has a half cock notch, a VERY positive thumb safety and firing pin block that does not disengage until the trigger is pulled. It's plenty safe for pocket carry.

The Glock basically has a pointy spring loaded punch sitting right behind a chambered round with the only thing stopping it from moving is a striker block and a worthless plastic tab on the trigger. The main difference is that you can't see the striker.

Both are safe platforms but you need to use the safety between your ears above everything else.

So let me ask you, can you drop the hammer in the half cock position and then engage the safety? That combo of condition 1 & 2 would be extremely safe. It would also be a PITA to quickly fire the gun.

Either way I think you are selling me on the P938. I admit droolled over the 238 when they first came out. They are purdy guns. The Kahr cm9 is still the best bet for the money, but if I can swing a P938, I might just do it.

Nakanokalronin
03-16-2012, 09:45
So let me ask you, can you drop the hammer in the half cock position and then engage the safety? That combo of condition 1 & 2 would be extremely safe. It would also be a PITA to quickly fire the gun.

Either way I think you are selling me on the P938. I admit droolled over the 238 when they first came out. They are purdy guns. The Kahr cm9 is still the best bet for the money, but if I can swing a P938, I might just do it.

The safety can be engaged when the hammer is down, in half cock or full cock. In the full cock position though, the thumb safety blocks and disengages the hammer as well, unlike the thumb safety on a 1911. It's actually safer in full cock and safety on then any other position.

ETA: In the half cock position and safety on, the hammer can still drop when the trigger is pulled which is why fully C'd and L'd is the way to go.

Caver 60
03-16-2012, 15:07
As time goes by I have arrived at the conclusion that I wouldn't "pocket carry" any pistol with a round in the chamber unless it was in a holster.

I came to that conclusion decades ago. At that time I pulled an NAA 22LR out of my front pants pocket and found the hammer fully cocked back over a live round. I'll never carry that revolver again, even with a holster.

But I'm a firm believer in no clip draws, or pocket or any other type of carry, of any pistol or revolver anywhere on your body without a proper holster.

Caver 60
03-16-2012, 15:24
I have also considered the PM40, but I do not know how reliable they are. They have greater recoil, but are exactly the same size as the PM9.


My PM40 runs well, but it beats the you know, what out of the underside of my trigger finger. And I don't have fat fingers. The extra recoil from the 40 doesn't bother me (other than the trigger finger problem) since I'm used to shooting magnum revolvers.

I really like my PM9 and don't have any trigger finger problems with the PM9. But it's maximum for pocket carry and only with the biggest pockets, like TBO said. It either prints badly or sits so high in most of my pants that someone standing behind me in the checkout line could easily see it.

I've tried the Remora, the Nemesis and both styles of the Mika with it. The only one that comes close to working is the Nemesis and then only with the biggest size pockets.

I generally stick with the P3AT in a front pocket and carry something else in another location. I'm looking for a smaller 9, but haven't found one yet that I'm willing to spring that many bucks on.

Caver 60
03-16-2012, 15:31
Boberg xr9s.

That's one of the ones I've been thinking about. How long have you had yours and how much has it been shot, if you don't mind? Does it function well? Noticed any problems? etc?

clark-kentski
03-16-2012, 18:06
I carry my Lc9 in my front right jeans pocket,i place a package of Extra classic bubble gum [ 15 sticks ] in front of it to muck up the gun shape,second choice is Thunderwear.

Caver 60
03-17-2012, 12:08
Well I did it. I signed up for a Boberg XR9-S. Now we'll see how long I have to wait. The nice thing is I don't have to purchase, if I change my mind when the time comes.

1911master
03-17-2012, 15:32
Ok, I know its just me, but even with a good pocket holster I am not carrying a single action in MY pocket.

Nakanokalronin
03-17-2012, 16:15
Although the P238 has many safety features and is fine and safe for pocket carry, let me put it a different way.

When you carry a 1911 IWB, the trigger is covered, the safety is on and either against your body or sweat guard of the holster (depending on style) and the muzzle is pointed down right along your thigh.

Now, tell me if there is a difference when pocket carrying with a pocket holster. :dunno:

ETA: I'm talking about front pocket carry BTW. For those that back pocket carry, I wouldn't carry anything in that manner and don't know how you could sit on a chunk of metal/plastic everyday. Ouch

Sbh87
03-18-2012, 02:17
I just got my recluse holster for the LC9. Now I just need the LC9 to put in the holster. Luckily the 23rd is just a few days away.

bug
03-18-2012, 19:14
I have been looking to buy a new 9mm after I traded away my Kel Tec Pf9 due to mag release issue when I carried IWB and other issues.

I'm looking to also try to carry this new 9mm inside my front pocket. I never really tried it with the PF9.

Currently I'm looking at the Ruger LC9, the Kahr CM9, and the Beretta Nano, and I'm looking at the Remora clipless holsters that can go IWB or used as a pocket holster. Can any of those guns be comfortably carried in the front pocket.

I'm 6'2" and middle aged, so no skinny jeans. :supergrin:

Of the the 3 you named I like the NANO for pocket carry, it has no external levers or buttons with exception of the mag release.
the ruger has a safety that sticks out that i think could hang up on the draw.
I think the Kahr is real close in size, but i am not a fan but that is personal thing many people love them.

BroncoAZ
03-18-2012, 19:44
Of the the 3 you named I like the NANO for pocket carry, it has no external levers or buttons with exception of the mag release.
the ruger has a safety that sticks out that i think could hang up on the draw.
I think the Kahr is real close in size, but i am not a fan but that is personal thing many people love them.

The Kahr CM9 and the Beretta Nano are almost exactly the same size, but the Beretta weighs 3.7 oz more than the Kahr. I've handled the Nano and it seemed well made. I didn't care for the long LCP like trigger or the higher bore axis.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_1164.jpg

Dlockster
03-18-2012, 19:53
I believe that the Rohrbaugh R9s is the smallest and lightest 9mm pistol. It is very well made and mine has never had a malfunction. I find that I carry my R9s much more than anything else. I find that the other recommendations pale in comparison.
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/

RJ

+1 Agreed, if you can find and afford one. Until then Ill 'stick with "better than nothing" LCP.

bug
03-18-2012, 20:04
The Kahr CM9 and the Beretta Nano are almost exactly the same size, but the Beretta weighs 3.7 oz more than the Kahr. I've handled the Nano and it seemed well made. I didn't care for the long LCP like trigger or the higher bore axis.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_1164.jpg

For a pocket gun I like the heavy trigger but the bore axis well I can see how that may be a no go for some, good point.

BroncoAZ
03-18-2012, 20:43
For a pocket gun I like the heavy trigger but the bore axis well I can see how that may be a no go for some, good point.

I saw on a couple of web sites that the Nano trigger was 9 lb. I didn't find it nearly that heavy, maybe 6-7 lb. It struck me as being very long like a Kel Tec PF9, Ruger LC9, or Ruger LCP. Some see the long trigger as a safety feature for a pocket gun, but I found it makes them harder to shoot accurately.

bug
03-18-2012, 21:09
I saw on a couple of web sites that the Nano trigger was 9 lb. I didn't find it nearly that heavy, maybe 6-7 lb. It struck me as being very long like a Kel Tec PF9, Ruger LC9, or Ruger LCP. Some see the long trigger as a safety feature for a pocket gun, but I found it makes them harder to shoot accurately.

I pocket carry a G19 from time to time in the summer. the one thing I dont like is light trigger (I think there is more potential for a mistake with that 5lbs trigger)
I do not usually carry little guns but recently I put a laser on my dads LCP, and ended up carrying it for a few days it does have a whopper of a trigger but after a few days of practice I could keep all rounds in a 4in group at 20 ft in the dark with the laser.

I do like the nano thinking about getting one nice little guns

Falcon5269
03-18-2012, 21:22
Kahr CM9 or PM9. For a guy your size it won't be that bad. There are several inside pocket holsters that will decrease print and keep it more staedy in your pocket. Good belt or suspenders are necessary. It ain't a light weight like the kel tec, ruger minis in 32 and 380. Good luck! Like mine as a back up gun to my Glock's.

Jim
03-21-2012, 18:29
By choice, I carried an auto as my duty gun for 30 years as a cop. But by choice, I carried a revolver (S&W Airweight/Airlite J frame) as my backup/OD gun for most of those years.

I spent a ton of money on various pocket autos over the decades, and never found one that was both pocketable and really reliable. My officers would often buy one or another pocket auto (.380 or larger) , and the rule was that they had to shoot our 50 rd training/qualification courses, 4 times per year. I can't recall any of the small autos making it through 4 consecutive shoots.

In theory, pocket autos can be great. Out in the real world where guns get dusty and dirty, oil drains away over time, you may need to switch brands of ammo, shoot from awkward positions with a poor grip, etc; not so good. The duty autos can take that kind of "abuse", in my experience the pocket autos usually can't.

I freely admit to having no experience with the latest crop of pocket guns (Ruger, KelTec, etc), but the physics of trying to make a small gun work under varied adverse conditions, have not.

pipedreams
03-21-2012, 20:29
By choice, I carried an auto as my duty gun for 30 years as a cop. But by choice, I carried a revolver (S&W Airweight/Airlite J frame) as my backup/OD gun for most of those years.

I spent a ton of money on various pocket autos over the decades, and never found one that was both pocketable and really reliable. My officers would often buy one or another pocket auto (.380 or larger) , and the rule was that they had to shoot our 50 rd training/qualification courses, 4 times per year. I can't recall any of the small autos making it through 4 consecutive shoots.

In theory, pocket autos can be great. Out in the real world where guns get dusty and dirty, oil drains away over time, you may need to switch brands of ammo, shoot from awkward positions with a poor grip, etc; not so good. The duty autos can take that kind of "abuse", in my experience the pocket autos usually can't.

I freely admit to having no experience with the latest crop of pocket guns (Ruger, KelTec, etc), but the physics of trying to make a small gun work under varied adverse conditions, have not.

This is a from policemag.com on theLC9
http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Weapons/Articles/2012/03/Sturm-Ruger-Co-LC9-Sub-Compact-Pistol.aspx

Falcon5269
03-22-2012, 21:53
Jim u sound like me. S&W 642 on my ankle for 20 years. (So comfortable i used to forget it was there) Scared me a few times. I thought i lost it on the street!! LOL. Sig Sauer on my duty belt.

I agree. The smaller the auto the more problematic for the reasons u stated. HOWEVER I do own a KelTec P32 and a Kahr PM9 and have had no problems. BUT, I constantly wet em down. I also shoot reliable ammo that i have checked to make sure it functions.

Too many people go to the range and empty their carry ammo, clean their gun and than run ball through it. This always puzzled me. WILL YOU DO THAT ON THE STREET!!?? I think not.

Go to the range and run the gun as is if you want to test reliabilty. Right from your CCW holster or pocket. I do it once a month at least and run em wet. (In addition to regular monthly practice)

FAS1
03-23-2012, 07:00
I pocket carry all the time even if I have my G26/CBST on. I have a P3AT and have always wanted a 9mm that will fit COMFORTABLY in my front pocket. I like the concept of the Boberg XR9-S but it's $995.00. That's a lot of money for a carry gun, but if it's as good as it seems and small enough to pocket carry it still could be a good choice. Anyone actually own one and pocket carry it? Seems like they will be scarce for a while still as the waiting list grows.

http://www.bobergarms.com/notes/XR9_Shorty

Falcon5269
03-23-2012, 10:09
I pocket carry all the time even if I have my G26/CBST on. I have a P3AT and have always wanted a 9mm that will fit COMFORTABLY in my front pocket. I like the concept of the Boberg XR9-S but it's $995.00. That's a lot of money for a carry gun, but if it's as good as it seems and small enough to pocket carry it still could be a good choice. Anyone actually own one and pocket carry it? Seems like they will be scarce for a while still as the waiting list grows.

http://www.bobergarms.com/notes/XR9_Shorty

Ditto. Two is one and one is none!! Always good to have 2 guns.

profiler999
03-23-2012, 22:15
I have a Robrbaugh R9 stealth and a Boberg Xr9s. I'll do a comparison of both in a few days.

garebel
03-23-2012, 22:45
[QUOTE=Falcon5269;18746346]Jim u sound like me. S&W 642 on my ankle for 20 years. (So comfortable i used to forget it was there) Scared me a few times. I thought i lost it on the street!! LOL. Sig Sauer on my duty belt.

I agree. The smaller the auto the more problematic for the reasons u stated. HOWEVER I do own a KelTec P32 and a Kahr PM9 and have had no problems. BUT, I constantly wet em down. I also shoot reliable ammo that i have checked to make sure it functions.

]Too many people go to the range and empty their carry ammo, clean their gun and than run ball through it. This always puzzled me. WILL YOU DO THAT ON THE STREET!!?? I think not.

Go to the range and run the gun as is if you want to test reliabilty. Right from your CCW holster or pocket. I do it once a month at least and run em wet. (In addition to regular monthly practice)[/QUOTE[/COLOR]]

:goodpost:

You are so right!
BTW, I have one of the p32's too, and have never had a problem. THAT is one I could easily forget is in my front pocket.
I recently "reaquired" my p3AT from my brother when he retired as a LEO. I gave it to him several years ago and he carried it as a BUG. It is a first gen. and had a few "bugs" itself (pardon the pun), but the most serious was a FTF problem that was solved with a little work with my dremel on the feed ramp. After performing the "rampectomy" (learned from the Keltec forum), it functioned one hundred per cent for him in qualifying at the range, and in practice.
I'm semi-retiring my p32 in favor of carrying the p3at now.

mikegun
03-24-2012, 00:03
I carried a Kel Tec p3at for years as a bu gun at work, I cant really say why but a few yrs ago i switched it out for a kel tec pf-9, which i carry in my right fromt pocket now, in a MIKA pocket holster, it shoots very well and functions one hundered percent..fits well in my levis, i feet better with this 9mm as opposed to the 380...

garebel
03-24-2012, 08:21
I carried a Kel Tec p3at for years as a bu gun at work, I cant really say why but a few yrs ago i switched it out for a kel tec pf-9, which i carry in my right fromt pocket now, in a MIKA pocket holster, it shoots very well and functions one hundered percent..fits well in my levis, i feet better with this 9mm as opposed to the 380...

I've been thinking about a pf9 since they were introduced.
I was kinda waiting to make sure the "bugs" got worked out this time, rather than work them out myself (as with my early production P3AT)
Also, I had heard that they weren't so great for pocket carry, but I am encouraged by your experience and might have to revisit that!
Is yours a newer production? I'm very glad to hear that it runs one hundred percent!

I usually carry a variety of Glocks, usually in a Glock Sport Combat holster, concealed by a loose shirt or light jacket, but sometimes I have to rely solely on my pocket carry.

BroncoAZ
03-24-2012, 11:09
I've been thinking about a pf9 since they were introduced.
I was kinda waiting to make sure the "bugs" got worked out this time, rather than work them out myself (as with my early production P3AT)
Also, I had heard that they weren't so great for pocket carry, but I am encouraged by your experience and might have to revisit that!
Is yours a newer production? I'm very glad to hear that it runs one hundred percent!

I usually carry a variety of Glocks, usually in a Glock Sport Combat holster, concealed by a loose shirt or light jacket, but sometimes I have to rely solely on my pocket carry.

I purchased two PF9's shortly after they came out. I ran 750 rounds through the first one and gave it to the wife to carry, then ran about 600 rounds through mine. Both were 100% reliable with a variety of ammunition. I found a deal on a Kahr CW9 (same size as the PF9, fits in the same holster) and made the switch. I prefer the stainless construction and the better trigger on the Kahr. I soon after got a Kahr PM9 for IWB and Kahr P380 for pocket. I switched her to a Ruger LCR .357.

SCmasterblaster
03-24-2012, 12:20
Maybe these pics will help. G26, PM9, 642, LCP.

Some of these are much smaller than the others :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6887754683_11f8624aa8_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7176/6887755129_60b9e76dc0_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/6923310197_015713256a_b.jpg[/QUOTE]

GREAT PICS, The Glock looks huge compared to the other handguns. I wonder how a G36 would look in there?

bigrob911
03-25-2012, 08:59
I have a beretta nano and a kahr cm9. I have shot the nano (250 rnds no problems) have yet to shoot the kahr cm9. The beretta is a nice concealed handgun choice. It just takes a little time to get to know the trigger.

KirkG
03-26-2012, 12:30
I'd toss the Bersa BP9CC into the mix as well. I've had mine for a month now and it'll be with me all summer. Great gun and a great price.

BroncoAZ
03-26-2012, 14:42
I'd toss the Bersa BP9CC into the mix as well. I've had mine for a month now and it'll be with me all summer. Great gun and a great price.

I didn't see the Bersa BP9cc on sale on any web retailers. Buds had some for $366 but are out of stock now.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/59360

I watched a couple of youtube videos about it, looks decent. At 21.5 oz and the size of a Kahr CW9 a pocket carry gun it is not. Comparing it to the Kahr it holds one more round and fits in the same holsters. I like what the videos show about the trigger, Bersa labels it as a short reset DAO, but it looks very similar to a Glock. If Bersa could lose the mag disconnect and shrink it to PM9 size they'd really have something. Looks like great competition to the Walther PPS9 if the trigger is decent. I haven't seen one in person, if I do I might grab it for the wife.

Here is a comparison pic to the Kahr, photo credits to zonker1986 on the defensivecarry.com forum:

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp310/zonker1986/Bersa/Picture082-1-1.jpg

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp310/zonker1986/Bersa/Picture064-1.jpg

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp310/zonker1986/Bersa/Picture068-1.jpg

Where is Glock's single stack 9mm :steamed:

Bilbo Bagins
03-26-2012, 20:00
I have a beretta nano and a kahr cm9. I have shot the nano (250 rnds no problems) have yet to shoot the kahr cm9. The beretta is a nice concealed handgun choice. It just takes a little time to get to know the trigger.

Side by side are the Kahr and the Nano essentially the same size?

BroncoAZ
03-26-2012, 22:42
Side by side are the Kahr and the Nano essentially the same size?

The Nano is a little larger than the CM9, but not by much. Pics are in this thread:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18455713&postcount=1

MinnesnowtaWild
03-27-2012, 01:07
Hmmm that Bersa is not bad looking. Might have to look into one of those for my GF.

Caver 60
03-30-2012, 19:53
I have a Robrbaugh R9 stealth and a Boberg Xr9s. I'll do a comparison of both in a few days.

Anxiously awaiting your comparison.

I fully intend to by the Boberg when my name comes up on the list, unless something negative comes up that changes my mind. I once considered the Robrbaugh, but several factors have made me change my mind on it.

TrueGunNut
03-31-2012, 18:09
Dude! Get a rohrbaugh 9mm! Held one at LGS today and it is SO small!! Size of an lcp! I guess... If you are serious about pocket carry.. You can pony up the serious cost of a rohrbaugh???? ( have to pay to play)

Falcon5269
03-31-2012, 19:12
Profiler999: I would love to see that comparison.

Caver 60
03-31-2012, 22:37
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1369865

Boberg is still sounding good to me. Waiting for Profiler999's comparison.

Tiro Fijo
04-01-2012, 01:45
Dude! Get a rohrbaugh 9mm! Held one at LGS today and it is SO small!! Size of an lcp! I guess... If you are serious about pocket carry.. You can pony up the serious cost of a rohrbaugh???? ( have to pay to play)


Read the REAL dope on the Rohrbaugh. An overpriced gun that is NOT +p rated:

...Except that today the head of Rohrbaugh, Karl Rohrbaugh, called us about the guns we had sent and during the course of the discussion he confirmed that the gun was not intended to be shot a lot and that 150 rounds was too much. He said that every few months he shoots a magazine full through his gun, cleans and reloads it, then puts it back in his pocket. Of course, he's going to fix the guns and send them back to us, but that still doesn't explain the crazy limitation on shooting...

Incredible. :upeyes:

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-carry-guns/39426-lowdown-rohrbaugh-r9.html

TSAX
04-01-2012, 01:56
Where is Glock's single stack 9mm :steamed:

Many share your pain/anger. I love my G26 but would be happy to have a thinner version.







:50cal:

TSAX
04-01-2012, 01:57
We'll see on April 12 if S&W makes a single stack/slim line 9. If they do I probably get one until the Glock version came out.






:50cal:

unit1069
04-01-2012, 08:21
I'd toss the Bersa BP9CC into the mix as well. I've had mine for a month now and it'll be with me all summer. Great gun and a great price.


How many rounds have you shot through your new Bersa at this time, and have you encountered any problems?

profiler999
04-03-2012, 13:38
Boberg XR9s (waiting List)

$995 new
9mm.
18oz.
Good sights.
No spring limit.
Thicker.
Taller.
Normal mag release.
Normal gun to shoot.
Perception is top heavy
Both accurate as I could shoot < 5 yards
+p will work, not recommended by manufacturer
Ammo specific name brand choices only.


Rohbaugh R9s (Available)
$850 used, more new
9mm
14.8oz unloaded
No sights
200 rounds to replace spring.
Thinner
Shorter
Awful Mag release
Strictly defensive pistol, not a range rat
No +p

Conclusion: Both are fine pistols either way you look at it. If you shoot a lot, then the Boberg will be your gun. If you want a deep concealment option, the Rohrbaugh is your choice.

There is no win or loss here. Overall R9s is smaller which may give it an edge. For the pocket pistol enthusiast and simply as a means to have something, albeit small, available for protection and DEEP concealment, either one is fine.

http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy143/profiler999/e48ae73c.jpg
http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy143/profiler999/c42f3af7.jpg
http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy143/profiler999/00bbba47.jpg
http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy143/profiler999/092868d2.jpg

Caver 60
04-03-2012, 21:07
I appreciate the comparison 999. Thanks.

I'd noticed the Boberg was thicker, even slightly thicker than my PM9.

I'm still thinking about both options, but like the longer barrel and the ability to shoot it a lot. I don't use much +P so that's not that much of a factor, but a nice option to have.

Have you encountered any instance of being hit by flying brass with either pistol? How about when point shooting from waist level or somewhere between waist level and normal shooting positions? Assuming you are a right handed shooter.

Your comment about being 'top heavy' is interesting. First time I've seen a comment like that. Do you consider it a drawback, or just something neutral?

profiler999
04-04-2012, 09:40
I have not been hit with any brass from either the Boberg or Rohrbaugh. I find that since the hand sits under the slide as opposed to the back of the slide, it feels top heavy. I think it's neutral if you shoot it significantly. I'm just not used to the feeling of a slide or any weight on the base of your thumb extending to your wrist, on the top of your hand.