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Z71bill
03-11-2012, 21:29
I have been looking for a home defence 45 ACP - I will not CC this gun - so big - heavy - is not a problem.

I saw a picture of a CZ97 BD 45 - and realized - I have only been looking at plastic guns - :embarassed:

What metal 45 ACPs should I be looking at?

Only limits are -

It is still being manufactured - so it will be available NIB

High capacity - at least 10+1

Like to stay under $1,500 -

I will use the CZ97 BD 45 as a starting point - only nit I can pick is - a gun this big should hold 15 +1 rounds - :dunno:

What guns am I missing?

SCSU74
03-11-2012, 21:37
Why no 21? Fits all your criteria besides metal frame


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markmt
03-11-2012, 22:05
I have a cz 97, it is a tank, you can rely on it 100%, then pound tent stakes after your are finished shooting. incredible handgun, but it is big. put one in your hands before purchase. good luck.

mark taylor

RedHaze
03-11-2012, 22:07
The CZ97 is a good choice me thinks!
http://www.gun-wallpapers.com/bulkupload/gun_wallpapers/pistols/gun_cz97.jpg

Or an EAA Hunter in .45 ACP... nice long sight radius!
http://eaacorporation.com/images/480_Witness_Hunter.jpg

Glock40man
03-11-2012, 22:21
I know it only has an eight round magazine. But, take a look at a Sig 220.

Z71bill
03-11-2012, 22:23
Why no 21? Fits all your criteria besides metal frame


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I have looked at every poly gun 10x - I may end up with a G21 - M&P - FNP-45 - but want to consider all my options.

collim1
03-12-2012, 00:07
I know it only has an eight round magazine. But, take a look at a Sig 220.

My thoughts exactly. My P220 sits on my nightstand every night for HD.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/collim1/DSC02371.jpg

427
03-12-2012, 00:59
Smith 4506

NEOH212
03-12-2012, 03:08
Sig 220 Combat with the 10 round mags.

bac1023
03-12-2012, 04:42
The CZ 97 is outstanding.

bac1023
03-12-2012, 04:43
Why no 21? Fits all your criteria besides metal frame



:rofl:

Yeah, just a minor difference. :whistling:

Bruce M
03-12-2012, 06:28
223701

ArmoryDoc
03-12-2012, 06:35
Smith 457S. Oops. Not Hi Cap.

http://app.onlinephotofiler.com/Img1/A_7/8/1/6/226187/a8122b221a714a7fb2f6c63152881214.JPG?uid=20996d67-2c50-4b94-9cfb-f39ac9ec2cba

liberty911
03-12-2012, 06:52
The CZ 97 is on of the best shooting firearms I have ever shot! Great ergo's and amazing accuracy. And it's a damn fine looking piece.

SigFTW
03-12-2012, 07:13
Baby Eagle II 45
3.93 barrel, semi-compact.

TN.Frank
03-12-2012, 07:24
Shop around and you should be able to find a Ruger P90 in the $325-$375 range. With the new mags they're 8+1 and built like a tank. Other then that if funds allow the Sig P220 is probably one of the best handguns on the planet but like I said, they're not cheap.

Z71bill
03-12-2012, 07:42
Thanks for the replies -

I started out looking for a full size 1911 - my plan was buy buy a couple 10 round magazines from Tripp - and use it with these mags as my HD - bump in the night pistol.

Then I went plastic - looking at every thing under the sun -

After all that I still have not found the perfect gun. (I know it doesn't exist)

My head says - 10 rounds is enough for most HD situations -

I do have an M&P40 with 15 rounds and a G19 with 33 if I really need greater capacity -

Seems strange the metal frame guns have such limited capacity (for their size) I can only guess - when they were designed 8-10 rounds was HIGH capacity VS a revolver. :dunno:

The CZ 97 B - or 97BD does look sweet - I found it sort of cool - most of the time gun specs list the weight in ounces -29.3 or 26.9 - CZ just says 2.5 pounds. :supergrin:

My assumption is - a gun this heavy would soak up the recoil.


I did a few searches - can't find a single CZ 97 in stock -

Sometimes good things are worth waiting for

TN.Frank
03-12-2012, 08:15
Thanks for the replies -

I started out looking for a full size 1911 - my plan was buy buy a couple 10 round magazines from Tripp - and use it with these mags as my HD - bump in the night pistol.

Then I went plastic - looking at every thing under the sun -

After all that I still have not found the perfect gun. (I know it doesn't exist)

My head says - 10 rounds is enough for most HD situations -

I do have an M&P40 with 15 rounds and a G19 with 33 if I really need greater capacity -

Seems strange the metal frame guns have such limited capacity (for their size) I can only guess - when they were designed 8-10 rounds was HIGH capacity VS a revolver. :dunno:

The CZ 97 B - or 97BD does look sweet - I found it sort of cool - most of the time gun specs list the weight in ounces -29.3 or 26.9 - CZ just says 2.5 pounds. :supergrin:

My assumption is - a gun this heavy would soak up the recoil.


I did a few searches - can't find a single CZ 97 in stock -

Sometimes good things are worth waiting for

Sounds like you've been on "The Quest" same as I've been for most of my life,LOL. See my sig line to find out what I've finally settled on after over 30 years of looking for the "perfect" handguns. :supergrin:

dabigguns357
03-12-2012, 08:33
hi-cap and .45 are not used in the same sentence.

I have owned a glock 21 sf and i liked it but traded it(yes plastic) 13+1

I do own a Sig 220 and i love it(all metal)problem is it's only holds 8+1

I do own a S&W 4506-1 and i love it (all metal)same problem 8+1

All three of the guns i have mentioned are beautiful and flawless but all have something you must look past or you may be out of the .45 range.

ronin.45
03-12-2012, 08:49
The CZ 97 is outstanding.

Agreed. No need to look any further.

NG VI
03-12-2012, 10:43
97B was my second pistol. Outstanding gun, it's not as big as it looks, just a little long front to back.

Other than that, I'd be looking hard at the FNP/FNX if I was inclined to get a poly framed gun.

dosei
03-12-2012, 11:13
CZ
EAA Witness
Para (their P14 line of double-stack 1911s hold 14+1)

I believe the Para P14 is the highest capacity steel/alloy framed 45acp handgun (excluding things such as an AR pistol in 45acp using 30 round mags or a handgun using uber high capacity aftermarket mags).

Z71bill
03-12-2012, 11:53
97B was my second pistol. Outstanding gun, it's not as big as it looks, just a little long front to back.

Other than that, I'd be looking hard at the FNP/FNX if I was inclined to get a poly framed gun.

FNP45 is at the top of my poly list - Buds has the all black model with night sights $641 -

I need to do a little more research - the CZ97B & 97BD I like the night sights on a gun when I buy it - I always end up putting them on anyway - so might as well get it that way from the start.

I do not ever recall seeing a CZ in 45 ACP at a gun show - but I was not really looking.

aircarver
03-12-2012, 12:13
The CZ 97 is outstanding.

The CZ 97 is my best .45 shooter.... & I have a 1911 and a 220

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PlasticGuy
03-12-2012, 15:36
CZ or Para Ord. Both are good guns.

Personally, I would give up a couple rounds to get a better gun. I would get a S&W 4506 or Sig 220 ST.

Tim151515
03-12-2012, 19:19
another vote for the .45 cz. I dont have it, but I have the cz75 in 9mm. Easily the best, most accurate gun I have. And, as others have said, it is a tank. On top of that, it is very beautiful...especially with the new stippled tulipwood grips i just got from hogue today :-). makes it look very hi power-ish.

.45Super-Man
03-12-2012, 19:40
Smith 4566 or SIG220ST. I really like the CZ 97 as well, but ive always felt that it would have been far better as a single stack.

.45Super-Man
03-12-2012, 20:01
.......and dont forget the Beretta Cougar 8045F!:cool:

Glock21Owner
03-12-2012, 20:05
I have the CZ97 as well, and had their custom shop put night sights on it. Great pistol. I also got the stainless Tanfoglio/EAA Witness which came with a .22LR conversion kit. Another great pistol

bac1023
03-12-2012, 20:09
There's actually not a whole lot of options for a hi cap metal 45ACP. People keep mentioning the P220, but that's a single stack gun.

NoJoy
03-12-2012, 20:09
How is the trigger feel and the CZ97? Is it simuliar to a Sig P220?

Z71bill
03-12-2012, 20:16
Maybe I am too focused on capacity. But

My logic is - logical.:upeyes:

I can use my 1911 with a 10 round mag from Tripp Research - I have a few of their 7 and 8 round mags - they work 100% - I assume the 10 rounder will also be reliable.

If the gun is a range toy & bedside HD gun & it will never be carried - why not get a BIG HEAVY soft shooting beast that hold 14/15 +1?

Maybe I should just bite the bullet and order the FNP-45.

I am getting tired chasing my self around in circles.

huskres
03-12-2012, 20:18
Smith 457S. Oops. Not Hi Cap.

http://app.onlinephotofiler.com/Img1/A_7/8/1/6/226187/a8122b221a714a7fb2f6c63152881214.JPG?uid=20996d67-2c50-4b94-9cfb-f39ac9ec2cba

Damn I love those!

.45Super-Man
03-12-2012, 20:24
If FN would address the issue of trigger pin walk in the FNP45 by issuing a recall,Id be interested.

CDR_Glock
03-12-2012, 20:24
Get what makes you most comfortable. What do you shoot the best? What feels best in hand? What you can afford.

The only high capacity 45 ACPs that I know are the FN 45, Para P14 and Glock 21.

I would get so focused upon recoil. Recoil is nothing compared to a 40S&W. For home defense, I have an 8 shot 357 Magnum and a 12 gauge shotgun with 00.

For carry, it's a Glock.

My range guns are 1911s, 357s and 9mm.


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bac1023
03-12-2012, 20:28
Maybe I am too focused on capacity. But

My logic is - logical.:upeyes:

I can use my 1911 with a 10 round mag from Tripp Research - I have a few of their 7 and 8 round mags - they work 100% - I assume the 10 rounder will also be reliable.

If the gun is a range toy & bedside HD gun & it will never be carried - why not get a BIG HEAVY soft shooting beast that hold 14/15 +1?

Maybe I should just bite the bullet and order the FNP-45.

I am getting tired chasing my self around in circles.

I'd go with the CZ 97.

bsg1
03-12-2012, 20:39
Sig Sauer P220. there are 10 round factory magazines available, if a 10 round magazine is a must. i own w german variants of the P220, without rails and with the early 7 round magazines; personal preference based on my history with the gun.

bac1023
03-12-2012, 20:50
Sig Sauer P220. there are 10 round factory magazines available, if a 10 round magazine is a must. i own w german variants of the P220, without rails and with the early 7 round magazines; personal preference based on my history with the gun.

The older Sigs are the only models I like.

chris in va
03-12-2012, 21:04
Started with a Sig 220, traded toward a Witness, got a G21SF and now have my dream gun CZ 97b.

One thing I need to point out to everyone. The 97b is almost exactly the same size as my 75bd. The grip has a bit more LOP, and has a full length dust cover. Same height, width and slide length (almost). It only looks big due to the cover. Heck, my G21 was considerably wider.

Another thing, even with the newer throated model, you'll want to use hollowpoints with a narrower profile as the feed ramp is the same width on the 75.

Z71bill
03-12-2012, 21:21
I'd go with the CZ 97.

I can't even find one to look at -

Any opinion - input on deciding between the 97B and 97BD?

Maybe someone should do a CZ buyers guide. :whistling:

I did enjoy reading your 1911 buyers guide. :wavey:

bsg1
03-12-2012, 21:37
The older Sigs are the only models I like.


the proof is in the puddin.

elsolo
03-12-2012, 23:03
I can't even find one to look at -

Any opinion - input on deciding between the 97B and 97BD?

Maybe someone should do a CZ buyers guide. :whistling:

I did enjoy reading your 1911 buyers guide. :wavey:

Don't get the decocker model CZ's.
They mucked up the trigger mechanism to add a decocker to the 75 series, only has half the sear engagement, complicates disassembly, has less potential for a great triggerjob, it eliminates the ability to "high thumb hold" on the safety, and eliminates cocked and locked single action first shot. All that for zero benefit.
(The 97 has the same fire control part design as the 75)

I have done a bunch of triggerjobs on 75's, shoot them exclusively in IPSC for the last decade.

You should be able to get nightsights, CZ put them on SP-01's and they are the same dimensionally. I have removed them to put target sights on other people's CZ's.

The witness and IMI guns are CZ clones, parts don't interchange but ergonomics are similar.

crazymoose
03-13-2012, 00:29
Sarsilmaz K2. 14 rounds of .45, steel frame.

Tim151515
03-13-2012, 19:32
Don't get the decocker model CZ's.
They mucked up the trigger mechanism to add a decocker to the 75 series, only has half the sear engagement, complicates disassembly, has less potential for a great triggerjob, it eliminates the ability to "high thumb hold" on the safety, and eliminates cocked and locked single action first shot. All that for zero benefit.
(The 97 has the same fire control part design as the 75)

I have done a bunch of triggerjobs on 75's, shoot them exclusively in IPSC for the last decade.

You should be able to get nightsights, CZ put them on SP-01's and they are the same dimensionally. I have removed them to put target sights on other people's CZ's.

The witness and IMI guns are CZ clones, parts don't interchange but ergonomics are similar.

I guess different strokes for different folks. I LOVE my decocker model 75..even though most prefer the safety. I can easily be combat accurate with double action(even though its not really true double action..because the decocker puts the hammer at half cock which is much lighter than hammer completely down.) it all comes down to this..if you would prefer cocked and locked go with the standard version. But, if you are more used to sigs/berettas/glocks where you would rather pull and shoot w/o having to mess with a safety, than go decocker.

And, I DEFINATELY wouldnt recomend getting the cz97b if you want to carry hammer down. I manualy decock the hammer after I clear...and at least one out of 10 times..due to the shape of the hammer, it slips out of my hands. Like i said, if you want cocked and locked, go 97b all the way. But, if you want hammer down, pull and shoot, go decocker version.

elsolo
03-13-2012, 20:01
I guess different strokes for different folks. I LOVE my decocker model 75..even though most prefer the safety. I can easily be combat accurate with double action(even though its not really true double action..because the decocker puts the hammer at half cock which is much lighter than hammer completely down.) it all comes down to this..if you would prefer cocked and locked go with the standard version. But, if you are more used to sigs/berettas/glocks where you would rather pull and shoot w/o having to mess with a safety, than go decocker.

And, I DEFINATELY wouldnt recomend getting the cz97b if you want to carry hammer down. I manualy decock the hammer after I clear...and at least one out of 10 times..due to the shape of the hammer, it slips out of my hands. Like i said, if you want cocked and locked, go 97b all the way. But, if you want hammer down, pull and shoot, go decocker version.
You are doing something wrong during decocking, are you using both hands or thumbing it down?

I have to decock and fire DA first shot too, it's one of the rules in IPSC/USPSA production division. I haven't seen anybody do what you say happens to you 10% of the time, it would be an immediate match DQ.

When shooting matches that only differentiate between limited and open, SA first shot.

SonnyCrockett
03-14-2012, 04:09
That CZ is nice...S&Ws 4506s also come to mind
P220s......I always prefer full railed shooters and they are always METAL

Tim151515
03-14-2012, 04:25
You are doing something wrong during decocking, are you using both hands or thumbing it down?

I have to decock and fire DA first shot too, it's one of the rules in IPSC/USPSA production division. I haven't seen anybody do what you say happens to you 10% of the time, it would be an immediate match DQ.

When shooting matches that only differentiate between limited and open, SA first shot.

Maybe I am. I just pull the hammer, pull the trigger, and let it down with my thumb. I never have that problem with my 1911 or my sig, but due the the hammer being circle on the cz 75, its like I can't get a good grip on it as well as my others.

I mean don't get me wrong, it sounds like you have a lot of experience and know what your talking about...I was just saying, if someone(especially someone who's not a seasoned competition shooter) was looking to get a cz for defensive purposes, and prefered hammer down carry, I wouldn't recomend chambering a live round and letting the hammer down manualy every day. Even if someone doesn't have the same problem I have with it, if that one time out of a million, for whatever reason, it does slip out, even if pointed in a safe direction, they could get in trouble for discharging in city limits.

But, I def agree with you about if you are looking for a competition/range type gun. Then I would go B all the way and get trigger work done on top of that to boot.

fowler
03-14-2012, 04:39
Get a new SIG220r there reliable and accurate right out of the box. The new ones have a better IONBOND Nitron finish on a stronger onepiece milled stainless slide. Much more rust proof and stronger than the old rust prone weaker welded slides of old. PLus they can handle +P where the old ones have a shorter service life and cannot recomend +P ammo. Great carry 45.

Bren
03-14-2012, 04:56
If I wanted a non-1911, metal frame .45 (which I probably would not want) I'd only look at a Sig P220.

bac1023
03-14-2012, 06:30
I can't even find one to look at -

Any opinion - input on deciding between the 97B and 97BD?



I prefer the B.

DubfromGA
03-17-2012, 19:54
My all steel nightstand gun.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/Dub007_photo/2012-02-14_09-46-53_709.jpg


No, it's not high-cap, but I'm confident it will take care of bidness should the need arise. :)

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/Dub007_photo/2011-05-02_09-32-49_391.jpg

She's a peach to shoot.