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malleable
03-15-2012, 16:08
I've been reading about this treatment & they state that afterwards you won't need to lubricate again, how is this possible? Has anyone here had this done to a firearm?

faawrenchbndr
03-15-2012, 16:13
I would not agree that you will not have to lube the weapon.
The finish does have properties to it that lessen the need for lube.

It's a lot like NP3 or RoGuard offered by RoBar.....but Black T is better.

Bill Keith
03-15-2012, 16:26
I have had the Black T treatment done on my 1911 Commander several years ago after shooting the snot out of the gun. The phosphate finish was looking ratty. It made the gun look great. I still use some lube, but there is Teflon in the finish. It'll scratch, but the finish is durable in normal use. Mr birdsong died a few years back, but I do believe his family still runs the business. The ph # is 601-939-7448:wavey:

malleable
03-15-2012, 18:10
I have had the Black T treatment done on my 1911 Commander several years ago

Do you have any pics?

bac1023
03-15-2012, 20:05
Black T is one of my favorite finishes.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1724s.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1725.jpg

malleable
03-15-2012, 20:34
Black T is one of my favorite finishes.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1724s.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1725.jpg

Wow! that's beautiful.

bac1023
03-15-2012, 20:36
Thanks :cool:

USSOCOM
03-15-2012, 21:02
I have a Colt Commander in Black-T and had a Sig P228 refinished in Black-T. Really like the finish properties, but do expect it to wear.

glock2740
03-15-2012, 23:16
Isn't the SA Pro finished in Black-T? If so, I'll fill you in after I get mine. :cool:

bac1023
03-16-2012, 04:39
Isn't the SA Pro finished in Black-T? If so, I'll fill you in after I get mine. :cool:

Yes it is :cool:

38 Super Fan
03-16-2012, 08:47
I would not agree that you will not have to lube the weapon.
The finish does have properties to it that lessen the need for lube.

It's a lot like NP3 or RoGuard offered by RoBar.....but Black T is better.
I've never owned a Black T gun, but I would have thought that Robars finishes were a step up from the Birdsong finish.

G33IWB
08-10-2012, 20:06
Have to bring this thread back to life for a min. as I have a question :cool:

For those who use Black T, can you speak to its durability?

I am thinking of getting the slide of my G33 done in there green (kind of a OD color). But curious how it will stand up to daily carry and the longevity of the finish of a EDC firearm.

Thanks

bac1023
08-10-2012, 20:21
I've been reading about this treatment & they state that afterwards you won't need to lubricate again, how is this possible? Has anyone here had this done to a firearm?

It's not possible.

USSOCOM
08-11-2012, 17:22
I had a long conversation with Walt Birdsong on the phone a very long time ago and he related me a story from the field, so to speak. A certain group of "operators" were concerned about weapons lubricity and subzero weather. Old Walt told them "Guys, if they freeze up piss on them, cycle the action manually and continue your mission."

faawrenchbndr
08-11-2012, 17:58
Sadly Walter passed a few years back.
His legacy continues,..........rest in peace Walter.

Trigger Finger
08-11-2012, 19:38
Is there a Link to this site? I never heard of it!!

malleable
08-11-2012, 19:43
http://www.black-t.com/

faawrenchbndr
08-11-2012, 20:05
Is there a Link to this site? I never heard of it!!

:wow:....

Trigger Finger
08-11-2012, 23:36
:wow:....


Sorry, I just never heard of it. Or if I did I forgot. Old age and all.

Thanks for the link!

prez1967
08-12-2012, 01:17
I have two 1911s in Black-T... Eventually they will all be refinished in this finish. Thats how much i like it! You still need to lube however....

G33IWB
08-13-2012, 11:39
I have two 1911s in Black-T... Eventually they will all be refinished in this finish. Thats how much i like it! You still need to lube however....

Hope this does not sound to stupid...

But you would recommend this finish for a EDC firearm?


Aside from story's of operators pissing on them ;) It seems every time I read something about the finish there are comments like "Its really beautiful" followed by pictures of 1911's in oak boxes with velvet lining. Cant seem to find any pics of guns that get carried daily and have this finish.

Big Bird
08-13-2012, 14:34
I have several guns don in black T. Its very durable but will wear on the high spots like ALL finishes will... I like Cerakote as well. But Black T is a high performance finish.

Only Hard Chrome is more durable IMO.

GRIMLET
08-13-2012, 14:59
A couple of our armorers took a rusty m4 to them for refinishing. Don't ask why, the issued owner f'd up. The rifle came back great. A few of my coworkers sent their post Katrina guns there.
They do very good work.

If I was looking for a protective coating, I would use them any day of the week.

I understand they also do FBI and some OGA as well as some from Israel. If so, what better recommendation is there?

glock2740
08-13-2012, 15:10
NP3+ is some good stuff.

lvl1trauma
08-13-2012, 19:45
Having used to live relatively close to his shop I have been there several times. All firearms are taken completely down. Every spring, pin, everything!. Black-T (or Nato green, if you prefer) is sprayed on with an airbrush after the parts are parkerized. Everything is then baked on. It was always neat to walk in and see, say, a lot of 50 or 100 .45's being coated for gub'ment work. Walter was very proud of his finish. He had the connections, too! His son continues the business.

prez1967
08-14-2012, 03:13
Hope this does not sound to stupid...

But you would recommend this finish for a EDC firearm?




110% my custom carry compact is black-t and its wearing nicely in my cbst and my milt spaks ssII