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jerzeydevil77
03-16-2012, 14:15
which would it be, and why?

1) Les baer consept V

2) Nighthawk enforcer

3) Ed brown Kobra Carry

4) Wilson combat CQB Elite

Glock26z
03-16-2012, 14:22
None of the above. Have a Stainless slide P97 from Ruger that works better than them

nastytrigger
03-16-2012, 14:29
I'm torn between the Baer and the Wilson. I like Brown's, but not the Kobra itself. Offhand, I forget which one the Enforcer is, from NH.

If I had to chose between these four, I'd pick the Wilson. All are great pistols, but it's the one I'd prefer.

ronin.45
03-16-2012, 16:48
Baer. Any of those would be pure target guns for me and Baer makes his extra tight, which I like in a target gun.

TN.Frank
03-16-2012, 16:58
Need pics so I can see what kind of bells and whistles they all have on em'. When it comes to 1911a1's I'm a pretty simple kind of guy. Basically a stock Mil-Spec gun with good sights, flat main spring housing, beaver tail grip safety, Commander hammer and long trigger are about all the "crap" I like on my guns. Most all of em' come with a beveled mag well anymore and I can flute the ejector port on my own but that's mostly to keep your brass from getting dinged up more then anything.
Personally, if I had the budget I'd get a Springfield Armory Full Size Mil-Spec and add the mods I've listed if it already didn't come with them.

SauerChoi
03-16-2012, 17:11
None of the above. Have a Stainless slide P97 from Ruger that works better than them


:upeyes::upeyes::upeyes:


I vote Kobra Karry.

GlockFish
03-16-2012, 18:09
3) Ed brown Kobra Carry

I've always wanted one.

ctfireman
03-16-2012, 18:25
Ed Brown.

TN.Frank
03-16-2012, 18:41
I don't know, I've just never really been a fan of "Custom" 1911a1's. I mean, these guns are so easy to work on, they've been around forever and a day, plenty of great books and CD's that'll show you how to do things to em', like I said, get a bare bones Mil-Spec and do the mods yourself. You'll save a boat load of cash, learn about your gun and have the pride in knowing that you did it yourself. Why pay some gunsmith an extra $1000 bucks to do mods you can do practically for free at home with a few simple tools.

Bruce M
03-16-2012, 18:48
This doesn't help, but I would be happy with any.

WoodenPlank
03-16-2012, 18:50
Whichever one I could sell for the best price, and put that money towards other things.

Shadyscott69
03-16-2012, 19:03
None of the above. Have a Stainless slide P97 from Ruger that works better than them

Riiiight. Sure you do.

Of the ones listed, WC CQB.

Shadyscott69
03-16-2012, 19:04
I don't know, I've just never really been a fan of "Custom" 1911a1's. I mean, these guns are so easy to work on, they've been around forever and a day, plenty of great books and CD's that'll show you how to do things to em', like I said, get a bare bones Mil-Spec and do the mods yourself. You'll save a boat load of cash, learn about your gun and have the pride in knowing that you did it yourself. Why pay some gunsmith an extra $1000 bucks to do mods you can do practically for free at home with a few simple tools.

There is a little more involved that you are letting on, Frank.[

jwhite75
03-16-2012, 19:07
Brown followed closely by the Wilson

nastytrigger
03-16-2012, 19:13
Pics were requested, so here's the four:

Baer Concept V:
http://img.tapatalk.com/18df8005-e48b-bb17.jpg

EB Kobra Carry (borrowed from Bac):
http://img.tapatalk.com/18df8005-e4c4-1c9f.jpg

NH Enforcer:
http://img.tapatalk.com/18df8005-e50c-0eb0.jpg

Wilson CQB Elite:
http://img.tapatalk.com/18df8005-e53c-078e.jpg

bac1023
03-16-2012, 19:38
None of the above. Have a Stainless slide P97 from Ruger that works better than them

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yeah, and I'm sure you shot all of them too. :whistling:

SauerChoi
03-16-2012, 19:41
Whichever one I could sell for the best price, and put that money towards other things.
you would buy a gun and sell it to put it towards other things? jebus just stay out of 1911 threads...:upeyes:

bac1023
03-16-2012, 19:42
which would it be, and why?

1) Les baer consept V

2) Nighthawk enforcer

3) Ed brown Kobra Carry

4) Wilson combat CQB Elite

I've got them all and like the Enforcer best, actually. Its my favorite Nighthawk.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/072.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/047-2.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/039-2.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1871.jpg

jerzeydevil77
03-16-2012, 19:58
I've got them all and like the Enforcer best, actually. Its my favorite Nighthawk.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/072.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/047-2.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/039-2.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1871.jpg


I was hoping you would share your opinion Bac.
What do you like specifically about the nighthawk over the others? I have been leaning toward the Kobra carry, but appreciate, and respect your advice. I'd like to get them all eventually, but .... It's gonna be a while before I can afford them all.

SuperSleuth
03-16-2012, 20:30
Of the ones you listed I'd pick the Kobra Carry because of its Commander-size and bobtail. I've only owned full-size 1911s and always wanted a Commander.

gumbee
03-16-2012, 20:32
I own the EBKC, a bit heavy for carry compared to Glocks but a great gun never the less.

glock2740
03-16-2012, 20:38
which would it be, and why?

1) Les baer consept V

2) Nighthawk enforcer

3) Ed brown Kobra Carry

4) Wilson combat CQB Elite
Personally, I'd pick the CQB Elite out of those four models.

glock2740
03-16-2012, 20:41
I don't know, I've just never really been a fan of "Custom" 1911a1's. I mean, these guns are so easy to work on, they've been around forever and a day, plenty of great books and CD's that'll show you how to do things to em', like I said, get a bare bones Mil-Spec and do the mods yourself. You'll save a boat load of cash, learn about your gun and have the pride in knowing that you did it yourself. Why pay some gunsmith an extra $1000 bucks to do mods you can do practically for free at home with a few simple tools.
This is a pretty silly statement IMO. Either you're one hell of a "gunsmith", or you don't have much, if any, experience with upper end 1911's.

glock2740
03-16-2012, 20:43
I've got them all and like the Enforcer best, actually. Its my favorite Nighthawk.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/072.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/047-2.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/039-2.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1871.jpg
That Enforcer is one of the best looking Enforcer's I've ever seen. :thumbsup:

liberty911
03-16-2012, 20:52
Wilson, Nighthawk, Ed Brown then Les Baer. I wouldn't kick any of them out of my holster though!

AA#5
03-16-2012, 20:56
Wilson.

Of course, I'm a bit biased. The green & black CQB I bought years ago is the only 1911 I've ever owned that went 6,300 rounds without a malfunction. And it shoots more accurately than the 1"/25 yd. guarantee.

WoodenPlank
03-16-2012, 21:07
you would buy a gun and sell it to put it towards other things? jebus just stay out of 1911 threads...:upeyes:

I took the OP as "If you were gonna get one for free..."

I never saw a mention of BUYING it... :whistling:

SauerChoi
03-16-2012, 21:10
No matter how you read it, why are you making stupid comments in threads about guns you have no interest in?

trolls gonna troll I guess.

TN.Frank
03-16-2012, 21:33
There is a little more involved that you are letting on, Frank.[

I guess if someone never messed around with guns they'd be but I'm a tinkerer by nature. My "hobby" is getting a gun and taking it apart so I can refinish and fix it up. I enjoy doing stuff like that and I'm good at it. Same goes with working on cars/trucks, I've always be mechanically inclined and wish I'd went to Gun Smithing School when I was younger but things are what they are. I've even built up a 1911a1 from a parts kit I got from Sarco and an Essex frame and it worked perfectly. There really isn't much to these guns, ol' JMB knew what he was doing when he designed it, very simple and easy to work on.
Heck, I just love mod'ing guns, what can I say.:supergrin:

TN.Frank
03-16-2012, 21:35
NH Enforcer:
http://img.tapatalk.com/18df8005-e50c-0eb0.jpg

This would be my pic because it doesn't have that stupid ambi-safety. JMHO, YMMV.

bac1023
03-16-2012, 21:38
I think Wilson is the best builder overall out of those four, but I just happen to love the Enforcer.

38 Super Fan
03-16-2012, 21:39
I'd personally go with the Baer, just because they have a big edge in value, but those are all winners in that lot. I'd take a hard look at SACS or GunCrafter too.

TN.Frank
03-16-2012, 21:44
This is a pretty silly statement IMO. Either you're one hell of a "gunsmith", or you don't have much, if any, experience with upper end 1911's.

Guess will have to go with "hell of a gunsmith" on this one. I've been working on guns most of my life, mainly because I couldn't afford to have it done for me. Guns are a machine just like anything else. Once you understand the mechanism it's all pretty much the same as any other machine. If it's a 1911a1, S&W DA Revolver or Colt SAA I can and have worked on it.
Also, being a machinist by trade I'm use to working with small tolerances and building things to spec., even made fuel injector nozzles for the engines on the Boeing 777 and had to hold them to .0002" plus or minus on the CNC Lathe I was operating.
Also worked for McMilian helping to build the M-88's for the SEALs, even got to shoot em' quite a bit too.
For some reason some of ya'll think I'm some wet behind the ears 19 year old that don't know his ***** from a hole in the ground but at 50 I've "been there and done that" quite a few times and I DO know a thing or two when it comes to guns, cars/trucks and musical instruments(guitar/bass/harmonica) so let's get on with the thread if ya' please.

WoodenPlank
03-16-2012, 21:45
No matter how you read it, why are you making stupid comments in threads about guns you have no interest in?

trolls gonna troll I guess.

Internets are serious business, I suppose...

SauerChoi
03-16-2012, 21:53
Typical troll response. Have fun trolling

WarEagle32
03-16-2012, 23:18
Go with your gut on this one. Because they are all fine guns you can't go wrong. Get which one you will have the best feeling about when you wake up the day after you make the purchase. I'd buy the Ed Brown, Wilson would be 2nd!

Tallahassee
03-16-2012, 23:29
I've only shot a Les Baer out of the guns that you mentioned. It's a great gun, I personally like the tightness, and you should be able to find one a little cheaper than the other 3. If you go that route, I doubt you'll be disappointed unless you have your heart set on one of the other guns.

At the price of Browns, Wilsons, and Nighthawks, I'm going to second 38 super fan and suggest you take a look at Springfield's Custom shop and Guncrafter, too. I've been talking about a Brown for a little while now, but as expensive as they have gotten I might put my money towards a Springfield Custom gun instead.

1911ES
03-17-2012, 03:54
Ed Brown Cobra Carry.

Smooth ...... :perfect10:

bac1023
03-17-2012, 04:25
I don't know, I've just never really been a fan of "Custom" 1911a1's. I mean, these guns are so easy to work on, they've been around forever and a day, plenty of great books and CD's that'll show you how to do things to em', like I said, get a bare bones Mil-Spec and do the mods yourself. You'll save a boat load of cash, learn about your gun and have the pride in knowing that you did it yourself. Why pay some gunsmith an extra $1000 bucks to do mods you can do practically for free at home with a few simple tools.

Huh? :dunno:

Its not just about "mods" though. Its about parts quality and, most of all, tight fitting.

Thinking you can buy a base Springfield and turn it into anything remotely close to the 1911s listed in this thread is well beyond the capabilities of 99.99% of 1911 fans.

glock2740
03-17-2012, 06:45
I've only shot a Les Baer out of the guns that you mentioned. It's a great gun, I personally like the tightness, and you should be able to find one a little cheaper than the other 3. If you go that route, I doubt you'll be disappointed unless you have your heart set on one of the other guns.

At the price of Browns, Wilsons, and Nighthawks, I'm going to second 38 super fan and suggest you take a look at Springfield's Custom shop and Guncrafter, too. I've been talking about a Brown for a little while now, but as expensive as they have gotten I might put my money towards a Springfield Custom gun instead.
You definately wouldn't go wrong with a Guncrafter or a gun from SACS.

bac1023
03-17-2012, 07:49
You definately wouldn't go wrong with a Guncrafter or a gun from SACS.

Exactly. I'd take a Guncrafter or Springfield Custom over probably 90% of the guns from the four companies mentioned.

nastytrigger
03-17-2012, 10:37
Exactly. I'd take a Guncrafter or Springfield Custom over probably 90% of the guns from the four companies mentioned.

Ditto. I'm partial to Springfield since it's the only 1911 I chose to own. I'm sticking with them.

G26S239
03-17-2012, 12:45
I guess if someone never messed around with guns they'd be but I'm a tinkerer by nature. My "hobby" is getting a gun and taking it apart so I can refinish and fix it up. I enjoy doing stuff like that and I'm good at it. Same goes with working on cars/trucks, I've always be mechanically inclined and wish I'd went to Gun Smithing School when I was younger but things are what they are. I've even built up a 1911a1 from a parts kit I got from Sarco and an Essex frame and it worked perfectly. There really isn't much to these guns, ol' JMB knew what he was doing when he designed it, very simple and easy to work on.
Heck, I just love mod'ing guns, what can I say.:supergrin:If you really can build a 1911 to Wilson/Baer/Brown standards why are you installing carpet for a living?

TN.Frank
03-17-2012, 13:55
If you really can build a 1911 to Wilson/Baer/Brown standards why are you installing carpet for a living?

Whooo, man, catch up. I've not helped my buddy install carpet in quite a few months.
See, this is the problem with the internet. I never said I had a Gun Smithing Lic., also never said I could built a 1911a1 to ANY standards. Just said that I could and have built em' and that they worked fine.
You get a 1911a1 that's too tight and they become unreliable. Part of the reason why they worked so well was the lose tolerances, same goes for the AK, you want a bit of slop to allow the gun to work without binding up under heavy use.

Hokiegrass
03-17-2012, 14:31
This thread is getting good....

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/Hokiegrass/07393422-in.gif

Gregg702
03-17-2012, 14:46
The Ed Brown, for purely aesthetic reasons.

bac1023
03-17-2012, 16:52
Whooo, man, catch up. I've not helped my buddy install carpet in quite a few months.
See, this is the problem with the internet. I never said I had a Gun Smithing Lic., also never said I could built a 1911a1 to ANY standards. Just said that I could and have built em' and that they worked fine.
You get a 1911a1 that's too tight and they become unreliable. Part of the reason why they worked so well was the lose tolerances, same goes for the AK, you want a bit of slop to allow the gun to work without binding up under heavy use.

Frank, I seriously think you need to try out some of today's top 1911s.

glock2740
03-17-2012, 18:13
Frank, I seriously think you need to try out some of today's top 1911s.
Ditto.

NeverMore1701
03-17-2012, 18:18
Probably the Wilson.

I'd rather a GC NN over all 4 though, it tickles me just right.

bac1023
03-17-2012, 18:25
I'd rather a GC NN over all 4 though, it tickles me just right.

Its a great pistol indeed. :cool:

glock2740
03-17-2012, 18:38
Probably the Wilson.

I'd rather a GC NN over all 4 though, it tickles me just right.
This. :cool:

deadite
03-17-2012, 20:08
I just love the feel of the Kobra Karry, but any of them would be really great.

deadite

bac1023
03-17-2012, 21:07
I just love the feel of the Kobra Karry, but any of them would be really great.

deadite

I'm not really sure why the Kobra Carry is being compared to three full size 1911s. :headscratch:

deadite
03-18-2012, 14:16
I'm not really sure why the Kobra Carry is being compared to three full size 1911s. :headscratch:

Maybe it's just general price-point? Could be that they're all awesome or maybe personal preference. The OP would do great with any one of them. :)

Brian, it's cool that you have all of them.

deadite

jerzeydevil77
03-18-2012, 14:27
I'm not really sure why the Kobra Carry is being compared to three full size 1911s. :headscratch:

My reasoning is; although I want them all, they are all about the same price. At this time, I can only afford one of them. In the event that the economy continues to tank further, and I can't get the rest I wanted to make sure to choose the best 1st.

bac1023
03-18-2012, 14:48
My reasoning is; although I want them all, they are all about the same price. At this time, I can only afford one of them. In the event that the economy continues to tank further, and I can't get the rest I wanted to make sure to choose the best 1st.

Gotcha

I see what you're saying now. :)

How is the Concept V the same price? You should be looking at the SRP.

jerzeydevil77
03-18-2012, 15:08
Gotcha

I see what you're saying now. :)

How is the Concept V the same price? You should be looking at the SRP.
Noticed that after I posted.:embarassed:

bac1023
03-18-2012, 15:12
Brian, it's cool that you have all of them.

deadite

Thanks Matt :)

Actually, the Wilson is just a CQB, not the Elite. :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/000_0003-5.jpg

bac1023
03-18-2012, 15:17
Noticed that after I posted.:embarassed:

I'd actually take the SRP over the other three.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/043.jpg

jerzeydevil77
03-18-2012, 15:36
I'd actually take the SRP over the other three.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/043.jpg
Now I'm really confused:dunno:, I thought you favored the Nighthawk over the rest. You had me taking a hard look at it, and I like a lot of what you get standard on the Nighthawk.

38 Super Fan
03-18-2012, 22:15
Now I'm really confused:dunno:, I thought you favored the Nighthawk over the rest. You had me taking a hard look at it, and I like a lot of what you get standard on the Nighthawk.
I'd hate to see what an Enforcer would run nowadays. I enquired about one very similar to Brian's probably about a year ago and it was $3100, prices have really gone up since. I don't doubt that an Enforcer is a great 1911, but it ain't well over $3000 great, at least IMO.

bac1023
03-19-2012, 04:46
Now I'm really confused:dunno:, I thought you favored the Nighthawk over the rest. You had me taking a hard look at it, and I like a lot of what you get standard on the Nighthawk.

I wasn't comparing the SRP when I said that. We were talking about the Concept V.

bac1023
03-19-2012, 04:56
I'd hate to see what an Enforcer would run nowadays. I enquired about one very similar to Brian's probably about a year ago and it was $3100, prices have really gone up since. I don't doubt that an Enforcer is a great 1911, but it ain't well over $3000 great, at least IMO.

The CQB Elite has also gone up considerably as well.

glock2740
03-19-2012, 05:08
I'd hate to see what an Enforcer would run nowadays. I enquired about one very similar to Brian's probably about a year ago and it was $3100, prices have really gone up since. I don't doubt that an Enforcer is a great 1911, but it ain't well over $3000 great, at least IMO.

The CQB Elite has also gone up considerably as well.
Both Nighthawk and Wilson have had 6% price hikes recently. Just makes Guncrafter look that much more appealing. Also wait times have gone up too. Wilson's lead times are pushing a year and Alex seems to be pretty swamped too. I hear that Nighthawk's lead time is long, but really don't hear about too many people talking about buying new NH's. :dunno:

s&wfan
03-19-2012, 06:10
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yeah, and I'm sure you shot all of them too. :whistling:

You're talking down to him. You're talking to him like he's a man who owns a blued slide Ruger. He clearly stated that he had the stainless slide. :rofl:

RYNOCG201
03-19-2012, 06:28
EB or the Wilson. In that order


RYNOC

TN.Frank
03-19-2012, 07:02
Still think you should start off with a S.A. Mil-Spec and shoot it for a while then add the parts you feel you need as you go along. You just might find that you like the Mil-Spec "as is" or you may only need to upgrade a couple things to get the gun to where you want it to be. Way cheaper way to go about this then to jump right into a Custom gun. JMHO, YMMV.
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/1911_Mil_Spec.html
The Mil-Spec has improved sights, lowered and beveled ejection port, a good looking set of grips. Only other things I'd want would be a Beaver Tail grip safety, Commander style hammer, flat main spring housing and a long trigger. All of which I could add myself, you can even fit the Beaver Tail grip safety at home with a jig from Brownell's and a good file. All total you'd probably be into it for around $850 or a bit less.
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/image/47795342.jpg

Brucev
03-19-2012, 07:16
Which would it be, and why?

1) Les baer consept V

2) Nighthawk enforcer

3) Ed brown Kobra Carry

4) Wilson combat CQB Elite

Why? Quality of parts and expertise of manufacturer, customer support, demonstrated on target accuracy, function, fit, finish.

TN.Frank
03-19-2012, 07:26
Also, after looking at it a bit more I think the S.A. Range Officer is set up just about perfect for what I like in a 1911a1 except for the adjustable sights but for $750 I could live with em'. All total this gun would run me $800 out the door after shipping and FFL fees which isn't bad at all for what is basically a "Custom" gun.
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/Range_Officer.html
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/image/47078778.jpg

deadite
03-19-2012, 07:32
Still think you should start off with a S.A. Mil-Spec and shoot it for a while then add the parts you feel you need as you go along. You just might find that you like the Mil-Spec "as is" or you may only need to upgrade a couple things to get the gun to where you want it to be.

I don't know, Frank. I started the way you're saying and was very dissatisfied with all of my 1911s until I eventually bought a higher end model. I felt like I wasted my time trying to go the less expensive route and if I had the opportunity to do it all over again, I would have just gone to a GS and handled all the higher quality 1911s they had. Then, as the saying goes..."buy once, cry once."

Don't get me wrong, I really learned a lot about 1911s, in general, but I wished I would have done it another way.

deadite

TN.Frank
03-19-2012, 08:06
I thought S.A. IS a higher end model of 1911a1.:dunno:
I know a lot of guys that have used them as a base to build up IPSC guns and they've been happy. The R.O. has all the stuff I'd ever want on a 1911a1 and I could even live with the adjustable sights and I'd still not be over $800 on it. I just can't see $2500 bucks for a gun design that's been out for over 100 years and that manufactures can pretty much make in their sleep, it's not that complicated of a design and it's not that hard to make em' run right so unless someone just wants to pay for the name and bragging rights I think $800 to $1000 is plenty to spend on a quality 1911a1 style pistol. JMHO, YMMV.

38 Super Fan
03-19-2012, 08:38
Both Nighthawk and Wilson have had 6% price hikes recently. Just makes Guncrafter look that much more appealing. Also wait times have gone up too. Wilson's lead times are pushing a year and Alex seems to be pretty swamped too. I hear that Nighthawk's lead time is long, but really don't hear about too many people talking about buying new NH's. :dunno:

Yep, GC is really worth a look. I'd probably go with the No Name if they were priced the same as an Enforcer or CQB Elite, the fact you can get one for considerably less would make it an easy call for me. :cool:

If I had a $3000+ budget, I'd also consider searching out a used Supergrade, I've seen some real nice lightly used ones in that range.

ca survivor
03-19-2012, 09:27
Ed brown Kobra Carry

camelotkid
03-21-2012, 20:53
of the options listed I would take a baer. They are indeed all great pistols but the others look like they have too much CNC work even though it is very good. The baer looks like it has more character and hand work. I could be wrong on that. I've never handled a wilson or a nighthawk.

bac1023
03-21-2012, 21:05
Both Nighthawk and Wilson have had 6% price hikes recently. Just makes Guncrafter look that much more appealing.

:agree:

bac1023
03-21-2012, 21:08
I thought S.A. IS a higher end model of 1911a1.:dunno:
I know a lot of guys that have used them as a base to build up IPSC guns and they've been happy. The R.O. has all the stuff I'd ever want on a 1911a1 and I could even live with the adjustable sights and I'd still not be over $800 on it. I just can't see $2500 bucks for a gun design that's been out for over 100 years and that manufactures can pretty much make in their sleep, it's not that complicated of a design and it's not that hard to make em' run right so unless someone just wants to pay for the name and bragging rights I think $800 to $1000 is plenty to spend on a quality 1911a1 style pistol. JMHO, YMMV.

The Springfield Custom guns are high end for sure, but not the others.

You aren't paying for a name when it comes to these semi custom 1911s. Its all about high quality parts and handfitting. There is a huge difference between these models and an $800 to $1000 1911. Its that simple.