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Turbo810
03-19-2012, 17:19
While millions of people have been preparing (http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/doomsday-report-three-million-preppers-in-america-are-getting-for-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it_02112012) for the possibility of a catastrophic event by relocating to rural homesteads or farms, as well as stockpiling food, water, personal defense armaments and other essential supplies with the intention of utilizing these preparations if the worst happens, the latest executive order signed by President Obama on March 16, 2012 makes clear that in the event of a nationally deemed emergency all of these resources will fall under the authority of the United States government.
The signing of the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness) grants the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Labor, the Department of Defense and other agencies complete control of all US resources, including the ability to seize, confiscate or re-delegate resources, materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense as delegated by the following agencies:
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a)

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

(b) The Secretary of each agency delegated authority under subsection (a) of this section (resource departments) shall plan for and issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources and establish standards and procedures by which the authority shall be used to promote the national defense, under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.
The new order provides specific definitions for each of these essential infrastructure elements, indicating that all resources, not just those owned by large farms and businesses, are to be directly controlled by the government. Thus, if you think the investments you made in digging a water well, building a solar array, or stockpiling food were for your own personal use, think again:
Excerpt:
Sec. 801. Definitions. In addition to the definitions in section 702 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2152, the following definitions apply throughout this order:

(b) “Energy” means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of these forms of energy.

(c) “Farm equipment” means equipment, machinery, and repair parts manufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market use of food resources.

(e) “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

(f) “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).

(i) “Health resources” means drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.

(j) “National defense” means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

(n) “Water resources” means all usable water, from all sources, within the jurisdiction of the United States, that can be managed, controlled, and allocated to meet emergency requirements, except “water resources” does not include usable water that qualifies as “food resources.”
Additionally, like the Selective Service established to draft Americans into the military in the event of war, all Americans are automatically registered for the National Defense Executive Reserve, an agency responsible for identifying experts and skilled laborers for jobs that may need to be performed during a national security. That means your entire work history is now stored, aggregated and flagged in a national database and you can be called on at any time and forced into service for national security reasons at a government-run institution or labor camp:
Sec. 501. National Defense Executive Reserve. (a) In accordance with section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER) composed of persons of recognized expertise from various segments of the private sector and from Government (except full time Federal employees) for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of a national defense emergency.


(d) The head of each agency with an NDER unit may exercise the authority under section 703 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2153, to employ civilian personnel when activating all or a part of its NDER unit. The exercise of this authority shall be subject to the provisions of sections 501(e) and (f) of this order and shall not be redelegated.


Sec. 601. Secretary of Labor. (a) The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

(1) collect and maintain data necessary to make a continuing appraisal of the Nation’s workforce needs for purposes of national defense;

(2) upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;

(3) upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order, consult with that agency with respect to: (i) the effect of contemplated actions on labor demand and utilization; (ii) the relation of labor demand to materials and facilities requirements; and (iii) such other matters as will assist in making the exercise of priority and allocations functions consistent with effective utilization and distribution of labor;
The EO also outlines compensation for resources and labor that may be seized by the government. Payments would be made debt receipts and overseen by the Treasury Department in conjunction with the Federal Reserve. Similar to compulsory eminent domain provisions, a government official would determine what your land, resources or labor are worth, and you would have no choice but to agree to that value:
Sec. 301. Loan Guarantees. (a) To reduce current or projected shortfalls of resources, critical technology items, or materials essential for the national defense, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense, as defined in section 801(h) of this order, is authorized pursuant to section 301 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2091, to guarantee loans by private institutions.

(b) Each guaranteeing agency is designated and authorized to: (1) act as fiscal agent in the making of its own guarantee contracts and in otherwise carrying out the purposes of section 301 of the Act; and (2) contract with any Federal Reserve Bank to assist the agency in serving as fiscal agent.
As of March 16, 2012, your land, your food, your water and your abilities as a laborer are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the United States government at any time they choose to initiate the provisions of this order, which according to the order itself, can be during an emergency or a non-emergency.

While some reports indicate that the general impact of this new executive order is negligible (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/18/national-defense-resources-preparedness-executive-order-power-grab-or-update/), when considered with the broader implications including the introduction and passage of laws allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charge or trial, restricting the general assembly of individuals to protest (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/congress-criminalizes-the-right-to-assembly-strips-basic-protections-of-first-amendment_02292012), the establishment of an internet ‘kill switch’ (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/kill-switch-president-can-shut-down-internet-for-4-months_06262010) contingency plan and jamming of all non-government communications (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/goverment-jams-protest-organizers-do-you-have-a-fundamental-right-to-cell-phone-service_08152011), the existence of FEMA refugee and detainment camps (http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/fusion-centers-fema-camps-and-martial-law-conspiracy-fact-or-theory_12042010), coupled with confirmations that the U.S. government is training members of the armed forces for domestic policing (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/national-guard-training-for-riot-control-mass-detentions_06152010) duties and preparing for economic collapse and civil unrest (http://www.shtfplan.com/marc-faber/pentagon-military-actively-war-gaming-large-scale-economic-breakdown-and-civil-unrest_11222010), this latest legislation may very well be the final nail in the coffin for American liberty as we have known it under the US Constitution.

When implemented simultaneously with existing laws and Presidential orders, the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness) establishes a clear chain of command and control over all aspects of American life in what can only be described as a police state under martial law.

Link to actual law:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness)

samurairabbi
03-19-2012, 17:29
A little-known aspect of the US interstate highway network: the full title of the original authorization act from the '50s is The National System Of Interstate AND DEFENSE Highways (emphasis added). The price for getting the 90% Federal matching money was giving the military/government the ability to pre-empt usage of these highways in the event of "declared national emergency".

RedHaze
03-19-2012, 17:33
OpSec. They can't take it if they don't know you have it.

And...

http://condition1industries.com/images/SpartanHelmetWMolanLabeWeb.jpg

garyo
03-19-2012, 18:32
Umm, I didn't sign anything.

wheels41
03-19-2012, 18:37
Thanks for dissecting this for us. This is just one more step to fulfilling his promise to fundamentally change this country. We all got what the idiots voted for and is yet another reason we need to make sure he's a one term pres. JMHO

mac66
03-19-2012, 18:57
Of course you know that this executive order first came out when Harry Truman was president and has been resigned, with modifications and additions by every president since then, right?

Seems pretty scary but is pretty much just another bureaucratic thing put in place so someone doesn't have to try and figure out a way to do it after nuclear war or global attack by space aliens.

cowboy1964
03-19-2012, 19:09
This is identical to EOs signed by Eisenhower, Clinton, etc. It's just an update for the changes in federal structure over the years.

Worry about real stuff.

Bilbo Bagins
03-19-2012, 21:11
This is identical to EOs signed by Eisenhower, Clinton, etc. It's just an update for the changes in federal structure over the years.

Worry about real stuff.

Boooo. You are no fun. I had my tin foil and hat making book ready to go on and everything.

samurairabbi
03-19-2012, 22:27
Boooo. You are no fun. I had my tin foil and hat making book ready to go on and everything.

Try this one for size, from the other end of the governmental spectrum: If the certificate of habitability of your dwelling is revoked, because of natural disaster or some other kind of major damage, the authorities can prevent you from even entering the premises! Not just force you to vacate with your belongings; even ENTERING the place!

Ethereal Killer
03-19-2012, 23:02
I see a lot of talking but not much doing.

I'm pretty comfortable with my chains of slavery (at least for now), they rest lightly upon my shoulders and they come with cookies!!

;)

TangoFoxtrot
03-20-2012, 05:00
Bottom line is the government can sign, state and swear all they want, but SEIZEING it is another story! Do you think they will have the resources to do that? This government couldn't find its own *** with both hands, let alone do something on that scale. Besides do you really think the people are just going to let the government come in a take thousand of dollars worth of survival assets just like that. It would rip what left of this country apart in civil unrest big time!

coastal4974
03-20-2012, 06:19
The little Nazi is just making sure that everything is in place for his next term.

Bilbo Bagins
03-20-2012, 06:26
Try this one for size, from the other end of the governmental spectrum: If the certificate of habitability of your dwelling is revoked, because of natural disaster or some other kind of major damage, the authorities can prevent you from even entering the premises! Not just force you to vacate with your belongings; even ENTERING the place!

Yep and its done everyday at a local level for a lot less.

Its called condemning a property :dunno:

http://www.thebig3zone.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/condemnedsign1.jpg

bdcochran
03-20-2012, 07:57
Thank you mac66. I also think that the conspiracy theorists and alarmist should understand:

1. the first executive order was issued in 1789;
2. Presidents don't need a law or court order to trample upon rights, just do it and deal with the consequences later has been the attitude.
3. You have a lot of restrictions upon your rights or what you think are your rights.

kirgi08
03-20-2012, 08:39
What folk are missing is whom signed on ta these addittions.A Marxist/socialist that has a 50/50 chance of another 4yrs in office.He's laying the foundation for his plans.'08.

DrSticky
03-20-2012, 10:00
Luckily I don't have any of those things they said they might want, and my only skills relate to reading books about Marx (and Dora the explorer). You will find me in line for bread like everyone else.

wjv
03-20-2012, 10:36
Nothing new. .
Been that way for decades. .

As RedHaze said, they can't take it if they don't know you have it. All I got is 2 cans of green beans. . Honest. . :whistling:

rem2429
03-20-2012, 13:26
Maybe I will just refuse to work like so many already do...

In reality, I want there to be a plan like this, but the reach of it is too great.
I want there to be a plan to deal with the hordes and try to feed them and keep them safe so they will not be at my door or running through the streets. I think there is a place for government. I just don't want them doing it by taking what I have been working for. Let the government pay for things with my tax money instead of studying cow farts and other wasteful spending.

bdcochran
03-20-2012, 13:53
"I want there to be a plan to deal with the hordes and try to feed them and keep them safe so they will not be at my door or running through the streets. I think there is a place for government."

It is nearly impossible to store foodstuffs or fuel on a large scale for any period of time. The US government doesn't have food depots for an emergency. The strategic oil reserve is not there for the public to get to work or shop at the mall.

The State of California, the County of Los Angeles, the City of Los Angeles have not stockpiled medical supplies, food for the masses or fuel. The total supply of .223 ammo at Fort Roberts at the last riot time was a total of 500,000 rounds.

You really are on your own.

Nothing different than the governments of central America not having the resources to help their own people every year in the hurricane season, or the free countries of Africa to deal with their recurrent droughts.

Bravo 1
03-20-2012, 14:35
Bottom line is the government can sign, state and swear all they want, but SEIZEING it is another story! Do you think they will have the resources to do that? This government couldn't find its own *** with both hands, let alone do something on that scale. Besides do you really think the people are just going to let the government come in a take thousand of dollars worth of survival assets just like that. It would rip what left of this country apart in civil unrest big time!



Yes they will actually,


just like they allowed the police to confiscate legal, law-abiding citizens' firearms shortly after Katrina.


Citizens were handcuffed, their weapons were taken, per the Governers order, and nothing was done about it.

Talk about the one time you actually NEED a weapon...

Hurricane Katrina Firearms Confiscation - YouTube


NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina - YouTube


on and on and on,,,,,,,,,,,



So yes, they will herd the sheep in this country to the camps, if push comes to shove.

bdcochran
03-20-2012, 15:51
"Besides do you really think the people are just going to let the government come in a take thousand of dollars worth of survival assets just like that. It would rip what left of this country apart in civil unrest big time!"

The question was answered by the sentence following. This is exactly what happened in the American Civil War. Personally, I think that General Sherman had no viable alternative than to do a march to the sea for his own survival and to loot and lay waste to the countryside. Notice, I wrote "viable". I am not condoning, just observing.

In the American revolution, by forensic analysis of then in print newspapers, about 15% supported the British, 10% supported the rebels, and 75% tried not to take sides. When the chips are down, most people will give the government whatever the local official demands. (Hell, the starvation of 6,000,000 Ukrainians was handled fairly smoothly in the 1930s without eye recognition, gps, mine detectors, waterboarding and high tech!).

The problem with philosophy is that you can't eat it or defend yourself with it.:wavey:

nightwolf1974
03-20-2012, 17:38
Nothing new. .
Been that way for decades. .

As RedHaze said, they can't take it if they don't know you have it. All I got is 2 cans of green beans. . Honest. . :whistling:

i have less than that! just a picture of a can of soup!

lawman800
03-20-2012, 19:24
i have less than that! just a picture of a can of soup!

I don't even have that. I have a borrowed hand drawn picture of an empty can of soup.

codecowboy
03-20-2012, 23:00
From what I have gathered this EO has been around forever, and just gets updated every few presidents. The last time was Clinton. From what I read the major change this time around was that the DHS didn't exist during the last update and had to be accounted for.

mgs
03-21-2012, 07:56
Like said before here......who will enforce it? LE and Military will be with their own families dealing with the worst of society on the prowl. Won't take long to thin out the heard, Mike.

kalifornia
03-21-2012, 09:30
Like said before here......who will enforce it? LE and Military will be with their own families dealing with the worst of society on the prowl. Won't take long to thin out the heard, Mike.
I always wonder how many LE&military will tow the company line and how many will decide not to?

kirgi08
03-21-2012, 09:46
COTUS 1st.'08.

lawman800
03-21-2012, 09:57
Countdown to Oathkeepers or whatever that group's name is... in 3... 2... 1....

kirgi08
03-21-2012, 10:18
I made the "oath" and will abide by it.'08.

ponders
03-21-2012, 10:42
I made the "oath" and will abide by it.'08.


i only hope there are more of you out there that will keep the oath to uphold the COTUS,

keep on fighting the good fight :patriot:

wtf0ver
03-21-2012, 17:09
I always wonder how many LE&military will tow the company line and how many will decide not to?

a very good question. being military I've pondered the same question and i know the vast majority would want to stay and protect their families, and we will not want to point our guns on our own countrymen. heres to praying that we are never faced with that decision and/or ordered to.

kirgi08
03-21-2012, 17:17
If the military/LEO refuse such an order,it'll give the potus a reason ta request "UN" help.'08.

mac66
03-21-2012, 17:38
As said earlier, in the event of a catastrophic nationwide event (nuke, asteroid strike, black swan event) there has to be some kind of continuity plan in place to reorganize, rebuild etc. It sounds dastardly but considering the situation should something occur, something has to be in place. Also consider that even if something is in place it doesn't mean the government will have the ability to carry out the plan.

You can get the most liberty loving president in history in the white house in the next few years and he will sign the papers the same as our affirmative action president did.

mgs
03-21-2012, 19:08
If the military/LEO refuse such an order,it'll give the potus a reason ta request "UN" help.'08.

The UN would never stand a chance against Americans....they hide in stadiums.

ponders
03-21-2012, 19:25
so given this new executive order that gives the president power to do a number of things,,,,


one question is still on my mind, ive tried looking for answers elsewhere but to no avail,,,,

now with the new executive order that allows the president to reinstate the military draft, if that were to happen would it still have to go through congress for a vote one way or the other or can he go around congress and reinstate it anyway without aproval of congress?:dunno:

kirgi08
03-21-2012, 20:57
The UN would never stand a chance against Americans....they hide in stadiums.

Ya they would,there was a UN admin that was involved with Africa.She stated "We use food ta get the results we need".

Do ya reckon the same could be said about 75% of Americans?.:upeyes:


This nation has been "nurtured" ta rely on the .gov people,they will not take care of/think/or fend for themselves.So a potus that requests/allows the UN in this nation,"ta save" it the sheep will gleefully go along with it.


All the welfare folk and those that believe "their" need/s will be taken care of will cheer the UN.FOOLS.'08.

Bolster
03-21-2012, 21:22
OT but Ponders I think your avatar is hilarious...!! :rofl:

ponders
03-21-2012, 21:32
OT but Ponders I think your avatar is hilarious...!! :rofl:



thanks lol:wavey:

alexanderg23
03-21-2012, 21:35
By the time they get here, I'll have eaten all 12 bags of ramen, and drank all the beer i had stored. If they need Microsoft Excel experts all they have to do is ask. I'll sit behind a desk and type for food, it's what i do now anyways.

Gunhaver
03-22-2012, 01:37
Obama can't take a floating crap without some big government conspiracy forming around it.

The democrats are better served by this kind of fear mongering than anyone else. Their whole campaign strategy this election will consist of pointing at the other side and saying, "Look how crazy these people are!" and it won't cost them a dime because the MSM will do it for them for free.

Ethereal Killer
03-22-2012, 07:40
Obama can't take a floating crap without some big government conspiracy forming around it.

The democrats are better served by this kind of fear mongering than anyone else. Their whole campaign strategy this election will consist of pointing at the other side and saying, "Look how crazy these people are!" and it won't cost them a dime because the MSM will do it for them for free.

Their current campaign strategy is to accumulate large amounts of cash and get romney nominated (or santorum or gingrich, doesnt matter). if they can do that they get an automatic win. the deck is stacked so heavily in BO's favor it's not even funny. ANY one of those three candidates will ensure the political discourse stays within bounds. Only Ron Paul would change the arguments and slay BO.

In any event voter fraud begins at the county level and the republicans are already torpedoing their chances at a win like they always do. bunch of fools if you ask me.

lawman800
03-22-2012, 12:32
Obama can't take a floating crap without some big government conspiracy forming around it.

I heard only UN sanctioned Manchurian candidates who changed his name 7 times and has no personal history that can be verified in any way has **** that floats... wow... what a crazy theory... oh wait, it's the truth!:whistling:

jason10mm
03-22-2012, 12:57
This is why most SHTF doomsday type prepping is kinda silly, well, misguided perhaps.

You need supplies to last you the few days/weeks till gov't help can REACH you, or you need preps to help offset rising costs of still available supplies. But to think that your preps will allow you to sit on your porch having a BBQ while your neighbors watch and starve, you are nuts. It is basic population management and crisis leadership. If 10 guys have a ton of stuff and 90 guys are dying, you are going to take what the 10 guys have and redistribute it! I can't really imagine any government leader that wouldn't make that decision. This EO just makes it legal.

And think about it. How many of you guys can sit on 30 barrels of food supplies while your town dies around you? Sure, we all know that EVERYONE should have this stuff to some extent, but human nature is what it is. So unless your bug-out location is really remote or damn well hidden I'd just plan on surrendering it up if/when the FEMA guys come a'looking. Might not be a bad idea to have a few back-up storage locations and a convincing "for show" larder, eh? If things are not too desperate they might not keep looking or return in a week when they notice you don't show up to the food line each day.

I suppose you could have a real widespread event that throws us back to the 1800s, in which case your preps will be all yours because there is nothing but total chaos, but what is the actual likelihood of that?

sebecman
03-23-2012, 07:57
That law has been on the books for ever, just so they can have some legal backing to seize warehouses and grocery stores, large scale farms etc...

anyone that thinks their gonna come to your house and bag up your groceries needs to adjust the straps on their tinfoil hat.

blueyedmule
03-25-2012, 07:20
I think all this talk of black helicopters is racist!!!1 ;)

I when I wonder what might be done, I like to look at what has already been done either here or in other contemporary countries within the last few generations.

Wickard v. Filburn was landmark to the government's ability to control agriculture at whatever level they choose and deem necessary.

In Argentina, when the economy collapsed, many who had set themselves up in the boonies found their food and other goods confiscated by the government, or targeted by criminals (or criminal LE) because they were too isolated to defend themselves long-term with what few people they had.

These are worthwhile things to consider, and that laws such have been cited as long-standing in our country can still be grossly misused under the excuse of emergency conditions, and that more and more the administrations of any party seem more likely to ignore the Constitution and do whatever seems expedient at the moment.

I personally prefer low-profile, under-the-radar, hiding-in-plain-sight methods. Something to ponder anyway.