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boomhower
03-19-2012, 19:18
My new buy was going to be a CM9 for a work BUG. The I went through some thinking of situations they could have had a different outcome and the data is very very sparse. The end decision I made to was skip adding another to my equipment and get better with what I have. Which leads to the next comporo



My current collection of firearms consists of my previous duty Gen 3 G22, my current issued Gen 4G22, and my off duty gun a SIg P239-40. I want something different. They are all great guns but I just don't get the Glock trigger. It just doesn't work well with me. I shoot it well enough to quality at the top of the charts. As a combat pistol it's perfect. This is going to be a range gun. Somewhere where accuracy is more the end game. I know Glocks can/are very very accurate, I just can't with them. I know it's me and not the gun. I'm not knocking the gun at all. But for more precision shooting my shooting style is going to have to a different trigger.

In the switch I going to add 9mm to my arsenal. The two firearms I have narrowed it down to is CZ 75b SAO and the 1911 STI Spartan. Both seem to be great guns and I must say I am attracted to it since I have never owned a 1911. the other side of coin is it seems CZ's are for those who don't want a 1911. They are both great guns.

This is going to be range only gun. No carry all. Maybe some competitions down the line.

So what's everyone think?

bac1023
03-19-2012, 19:28
I prefer a good 1911, but the CZ 75 is an outstanding pistol. I'd probably take it over any 1911 in its price range.

BuckyP
03-19-2012, 19:35
No contest, the CZ. Having owned 3 9mm 1911s I've become bitter towards them. That being said, I'm still quite fond of the 1911 in .45, .40, and .38 super.

craig19
03-19-2012, 19:35
I have a CZ75B and have shot 1911s all my life, own a .45, not 9mm. I would say get the CZ75 over the Spartan. I just can't get behind the Spartan. I was thinking about buying one a couple of weeks ago, but it really doesn't off much more than RIA tactical, yes I know it has STI parts, but that's about it.

The CZ has been great, I have had to the range a few times since I got, 0 FTFs and FTEs. I really like it, great well made pistol, can't beat the price either.

craig19
03-19-2012, 19:37
I prefer a good 1911, but the CZ 75 is an outstanding pistol. I'd probably take it over any 1911 in its price range.

Case closed, if BAC says get the CZ over a 1911, that should be the end of it.

High Altitude
03-19-2012, 19:48
For a 9mm pistol, CZ.

JK-linux
03-19-2012, 19:49
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Tim151515
03-19-2012, 19:52
Haven't shot a spartan, but you cant beat a cz75 for a 9mm range gun(unless you consider the gun that it was based off of, the p210, but thats 2 grand). The fact that its 500 bucks makes it even better.

TexasVine
03-19-2012, 20:02
I prefer a good 1911, but the CZ 75 is an outstanding pistol. I'd probably take it over any 1911 in its price range.

I think bac makes a good statement here. I regard him as a very solid authority on handguns.

I shoot both the 1911's and CZ's and enjoy both. The CZ is extremely reliable, accurate and fun to shoot. I think it is one of the best 9mm available on the market. With that being, there is nothing better than a nice 1911. Check out bac's 1911 Buyer's Guide.

Dubble-Tapper
03-19-2012, 20:48
if you want a 9mm, the CZ...

and if you want a .45, well....the CZ97 :)

Reb 56
03-19-2012, 21:40
For a Range gun I'd go with the 1911 every time, for me it's the trigger on a 1911 that makes it so accurate. I'd prefer the 1911 in .45 cal but a 9mm 1911 is a very soft shooting Pistol.

boomhower
03-19-2012, 22:09
. I'd prefer the 1911 in .45 cal but a 9mm 1911 is a very soft shooting Pistol.

That's what I am going for. Right now range time isn't much fun. I don't enjoy shooting glocks but that's the hand I dealt. It's training, not fun. Now the AR is training and just plain fun. I want a pistol that is actually fun to shoot. A soft 9mm round paired with a heavy ass frame along with a nice SAO trigger sounds like a lot of fun to me. The CZ was the original choice but I was intrigued at owning a 1911 and the Spartan fit that bill. hhhmmm

Ruggles
03-19-2012, 22:19
Both world class platforms IMO. Really can not go wrong either way really. I vote 1911 but would be very happy with a CZ as well.

elsolo
03-20-2012, 01:11
My first centerfire pistol was a CZ-75.
My first "nice" pistol was a 1911.

The CZ now has over 100K through it, and two twins.
The 1911 has maybe 1K through it, I haven't shot it in 10 yrs.

The CZ will need a triggerjob and sights, the 1911 will come already setup.

TN.Frank
03-20-2012, 03:50
9x19mm in a 1911a1 is just wrong IMHO, that gun should be in 45acp or at the very least 38 Super. If you want to go 9x19mm then go CZ or better yet get a Beretta 92FS. Lots of surplus mags available on the cheap, tons of parts since the M9 is our current Military Side Arm and very smooth action. Not saying anything bad about CZ but If I want a 9mm then it's a 92FS. Better yet though, I'd really think about a 1911a1 in 45acp.

Bob Hafler
03-20-2012, 06:00
I own both, Here's my take on it .
If your going 9mm get one of the CZ 75 series models. They really are great pistols. Here's a good video that says it all.
http://youtu.be/WgDhURHa0OQ

If your thinking 1911 then go 45 caliber. It's just the right thing to do, and the way things were meant to be. John Moses Browning says so, and he is God when it comes to the 1911. Nuff said.

Lior
03-20-2012, 06:04
Comparing 9mm carry 1911s and CZ75s I would take the CZ75 route.
For competition, there are more 1911 options than CZ75 ones, in all calibers.

I shoot competitively with both platforms and they are both really good. It's down to personal taste.

Disclosure: my EDC is a CZ75 Phantom.

Golddog
03-20-2012, 07:38
My CZ 75 SA trigger may not quite match the best 1911's, but it's certainly at least as good as run-of-the-mill 1911 pulls, and the gun has been totally reliable through thousands of rounds, which may not happen with a 9mm 1911.

WarEagle32
03-20-2012, 10:36
I like 1911's a lot! But I love my CZ! My CZ Customs 85 Combat is hands down the best pistol my hands have ever touched! CZ's aren't the best kept pistol secret anymore. They use to be everywhere, now they are a lot tougher to find than they use to be! Go with the CZ!

SigFTW
03-20-2012, 10:52
I first learned about the CZ after I bought a Baby Eagle II, a CZ copy. I like the Baby Eagle so much that I want to get a CZ 9mm also. I'd get the CZ9mm because of price and feel.

Danimal3805
03-20-2012, 18:05
I own both, Here's my take on it .
If your going 9mm get one of the CZ 75 series models. They really are great pistols. Here's a good video that says it all.
http://youtu.be/WgDhURHa0OQ

If your thinking 1911 then go 45 caliber. It's just the right thing to do, and the way things were meant to be. John Moses Browning says so, and he is God when it comes to the 1911. Nuff said.

If JMB is god of 1911, does that make Bac Jesus?:rofl:

GAFinch
03-20-2012, 19:07
While I'd give a 1911 a slight edge for looks, it's hard to beat the price of a CZ, especially with the top of the slide being serrated which is nice for outdoor range use.

fnfalman
03-20-2012, 19:10
For the price, I'll take the Czech goodness over a jazzed up Filipino gun with unnecessary cost markup. If you want a cheap Filipino M1911 then get a cheap Filipino M1911 (they're great for the price).

40 0'Glock
03-20-2012, 19:19
I have a CZ75B (not the SAO version) and an STI Spartan in .45. They both shoot extremely well. The CZ gets the edge in reliability as the Spartan is a bit magazine sensitive in my experience. I wouldn't own a 1911 in 9mm mainly because I'm weird like that.

For a great all around range gun get the CZ. It is one of the easiest guns to shoot accurately in my opinion. The ergos are exceptional.

farmer-dave
03-20-2012, 19:20
You could split the difference and get a high-power. I like my cz-75 stainless.

chris in va
03-20-2012, 21:15
Bought and sold a fair amount of handguns the past ten years. My 75bd survived the cut(s).

I now have my dream gun, 97b.

If I had to do it over, it would be a 75b polished stainless instead of the BD.

TN.Frank
03-21-2012, 05:55
Still think the 1911a1 is better when it comes to inexpensive parts availability, selection of grips and quality, inexpensive mag prices. Sure, with reliable flush fit mags it only holds 7+1 but for God sake, it's a 45acp, how many rounds do you need. They do make non-flush fit 8 round and 10 round mags that are reliable so you can up the capacity a bit.
I had a CZ75 in 40S&W Ctg. when that ctg. first came out and the CZ is decent enough but nothing beats a good ol' 1911a1. The guns been around for over a 100 years for a reason, it's just that good. JMHO, YMMV.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-21-2012, 10:07
or better yet get a Beretta 92FS. Lots of surplus mags available on the cheap, tons of parts since the M9 is our current Military Side Arm and very smooth action. Not saying anything bad about CZ but If I want a 9mm then it's a 92FS.

Yes, give the Beretta 92FS a consideration. You might not like it for whatever reason, but it is worth a look, and see how it fits in your hands. :)

Z71bill
03-21-2012, 10:33
I have been trying to decide between a

CZ97BD VS Springfield Parkerized 45acp PX9109LP

I decided the CZ was the cat's meow - but can't locate one.

I even called CZ - they will be making 100 next month - 75 are already sold.

Cambo
03-21-2012, 10:51
After being a Glock Kool Aid Drinker for years, I have sold off most of my Glocks and have gone with CZ. I can't seem to stop buying them and I don't miss with them, ever. The CZ 75 Single Action is a work of art, with the 85 Combat close behind. I can't recommend CZ enough.

Veedubklown
03-21-2012, 17:32
For a Range gun I'd go with the 1911 every time, for me it's the trigger on a 1911 that makes it so accurate. I'd prefer the 1911 in .45 cal but a 9mm 1911 is a very soft shooting Pistol.

+1. I love my 9mm 1911, and I'd go for the STI. There's still the option of double stack 1911's. I like em, alot dont.

http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/DBImages/bul-m5-Govt.gif

I like the CZ, and if I had to get a CZ, I'd get the CZ-75BSA (single action only trigger). At least you get a BHP-like trigger, with the internal slide railing of the CZ.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/candm1998/CZ75BSA-3.jpg

I still prefer the 1911 trigger.