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Danimal3805
03-20-2012, 10:31
I came in to work today and my boss (the owner) and his future son in law (both great guys and normally pretty smart) were standing around trying to decide the best way to attach an ACE skeleton folding stock to his Draco AK pistol. :wow::faint: I work for a small family-owned and operated auto repair facility (which for legal purposes shall remain nameless...) so drilling and tapping the back of the receiver would likely take about 10 minutes. I about **** my pants and said "umm guys I'm about 99% sure that makes it a Short Barreled Rifle, and thus illegal without a BATFE stamp/paperwork or something..." Am I crazy or were they about to get in some deep doo-doo? Also is it legal to have a forward pistol grip on it? I was pretty sure that's OK, but not 100%...

Travclem
03-20-2012, 10:37
You are correct.

Edmo01
03-20-2012, 11:00
It is even easier to get into trouble with the AR15 pistols...

Take the short-barrel pistol upper off and put it on a rifle lower and presto... Instant illegal SBR. OK, may not instant, but 30 seconds or so for the swap.

Edmo

G36's Rule
03-20-2012, 11:05
Shoulder stock makes it an SBR, short barreled rifle. Forward grip makes it an AOW, any other weapon. Both need BATFE approval and stamp.

arclight610
03-20-2012, 11:05
You are correct.

He is correct.

arclight610
03-20-2012, 11:06
Shoulder stock makes it an SBR, short barreled rifle. Forward grip makes it an AOW, any other weapon. Both need BATFE approval and stamp.

Except the Magpul AFG.

TSAX
03-20-2012, 11:10
This might be a dumb question but what about adding a sling. Would the BATFE need to be informed.






:50cal:

ChuteTheMall
03-20-2012, 11:17
Sling is OK, vertical grip on AK interfere's with mag changes, if you want to add a stock to a Draco it's much cheaper to pay the BATFE up front.

Use the front of the mag as a vertical grip instead.:cool:

The_Gun_Guru
03-20-2012, 19:16
If memory serves...

SBR - $200 tax stamp

AOW - $5 tax stamp


Tell him he is the owner of the company and can afford the $200 if he takes it out of your check:rofl:


Seriously, you saved his butt.....literally:whistling:


TGG

faawrenchbndr
03-20-2012, 19:33
Except the Magpul AFG.


Correct,......the statute states VERTICAL forward grip

faawrenchbndr
03-20-2012, 19:34
Buy them both a Soap on a Rope......sounds like they will need it!

chemcmndr
03-20-2012, 19:50
If memory serves...

SBR - $200 tax stamp

AOW - $5 tax stamp


TGG

The $5 tax for AOW's only applies to transferring them on a Form 4. To manufacture one yourself on a Form 1 is still $200.

WoodenPlank
03-20-2012, 20:39
If memory serves...

SBR - $200 tax stamp

AOW - $5 tax stamp


Tell him he is the owner of the company and can afford the $200 if he takes it out of your check:rofl:


Seriously, you saved his butt.....literally:whistling:


TGG

The $5 tax for AOW's only applies to transferring them on a Form 4. To manufacture one yourself on a Form 1 is still $200.

Correct. Making tax is ALWAYS $200, AOW, SBR, SBS, etc.

OP, as others have said, slapping a stock on that Draco is highly illegal. 10 years in federal PYITA prison and $250,000 fine illegal.

faawrenchbndr
03-20-2012, 20:41
10 years in federal PYITA prison



Now that thares funny, I don care who ya R! :rofl:

WoodenPlank
03-20-2012, 20:43
Now that thares funny, I don care who ya R! :rofl:

Well, funny until you get handed the orange jumpsuit... :wow:

jp3975
03-20-2012, 23:20
If you pay for the sbr and suppressor tax stamp, do you also have to pay for a foregrip tax stamp?

It would suck to have to pay $600.

Javelin
03-20-2012, 23:24
If you pay for the sbr and suppressor tax stamp, do you also have to pay for a foregrip tax stamp?

It would suck to have to pay $600.

Once you pay the $200 tax stamp to SBR/SBS the item on a Form 1 (or it is xfered on a Form 4) there are no limitations to stock, foregrip, barrel length, etc.

jp3975
03-20-2012, 23:52
Once you pay the $200 tax stamp to SBR/SBS the item on a Form 1 (or it is xfered on a Form 4) there are no limitations to stock, foregrip, barrel length, etc.

Thanks.