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D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-20-2012, 12:57
I thought I'd share something I've been watching the development of for about the last 16 months or so. I've mentioned it on here before, but now I think its time it had its own thread

The goal is to have a rifle capable of accurate shooting out to 5000+ meters. Nothing else even comes close to that right now.

Some preliminary numbers for you

The rifle is built around a 14.9mm cartridge designed specifically for this project. There are 2 different projectiles available, 1690gr and 1020gr. The 1690gr should be running 3350-3600 fps and the 1020gr should be 4000+ fps. COAL is 6.5"-7.25" depending on the projectile used. Muzzle energy is 42,000 ft. lbs - 45,000 ft. lbs. Based off current calculations the 1690gr projectile should reach 1000 meters in 0.96 seconds and still be doing 3000 fps with 32,000 ft. lbs of energy. At 5000 meters it should still have 7300 ft. lbs of energy.

And now for some of the pictures

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/killsdeer4fun/photo-4.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/killsdeer4fun/photo-5.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/killsdeer4fun/photo-6.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/killsdeer4fun/photo-7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/ExtremistX2/5851690SP011b.jpg

More pics and testing videos to come :cool:

syntaxerrorsix
03-20-2012, 13:30
Sweet :thumbsup:

WarEagle32
03-20-2012, 13:54
That looks awesome!

Breadman03
03-20-2012, 14:02
Whoever nestles that into their shoulder pocket better bring a sling for the ride home!

ithaca_deerslayer
03-20-2012, 14:07
My local Walmart has them for $2199.95.
Only 3 in stock.

TexasGlockster
03-20-2012, 14:18
So that is really cool. My question is this, assuming fps degrades over time (which as we know it does), but my very rough calculation it would probably take between 5.5 and 6 seconds for the bullet to reach its target (at least for the heavier bullet). Under what circumstances would this weapon be utilized? Maybe I just don't understand the uses of high powered ballistics but it seems to me that not much stays reliably still for 6 seconds, except for static machinery perhaps. Like I said, very cool, but I just don't know about its usefulness.

:dunno:

Good luck with the project and keep us up to date!

SigFTW
03-20-2012, 14:24
Cool cannon?!?!?!

Just to sight it in would cost 1+k :wow::wow::wow: :dunno:

GlockFish
03-20-2012, 14:28
That's sick, man! Sick.

4TS&W
03-20-2012, 14:36
Funnel zombies single file for a quarter mile... this will penetrate them all for a one shot stop! :)

Agree about the shoulder... probably want to mount this on something you can tow..

DonD
03-20-2012, 14:51
Most anything such as this that is interesting ballistically or pushes into new territory appeals to me.

Don't think I'll be vying to buy one though.

Don't think it will be at a weight that would make it very portable. Don

Zombie Steve
03-20-2012, 14:52
Most ballistic coefficient calculators don't let me go that high... Any idea what BC you'd be getting? Just a personal curiosity.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-20-2012, 15:08
So that is really cool. My question is this, assuming fps degrades over time (which as we know it does), but my very rough calculation it would probably take between 5.5 and 6 seconds for the bullet to reach its target (at least for the heavier bullet). Under what circumstances would this weapon be utilized? Maybe I just don't understand the uses of high powered ballistics but it seems to me that not much stays reliably still for 6 seconds, except for static machinery perhaps. Like I said, very cool, but I just don't know about its usefulness.

:dunno:

Good luck with the project and keep us up to date!

I see it as an experiment to see what is actually possible. Practical uses for the rifle would include an anti material role. Ultra long range anti personnel shooting would also be possible in certain circumstances. An EOD role for detonating unexploded ordinance is also a possibility. The idea is that you could have a weapon capable of disabling aircraft and vehicles with ease from beyond 3 miles away. While using an artillery or an airstrike would also accomplish this, they are not always immediately available.

I should also clarify this is not my personal rifle, its just a project I've been following and thought was worth sharing.

Cool cannon?!?!?!

Just to sight it in would cost 1+k :wow::wow::wow: :dunno:

Ammo cost isn't that bad all things considered, about $13-15 per round. This ammo is of course being custom made at this stage, costs would certainly drop if the rifle ever makes it to the commercial stage.

Funnel zombies single file for a quarter mile... this will penetrate them all for a one shot stop! :)

Agree about the shoulder... probably want to mount this on something you can tow..

Recoil should certainly be pretty stiff, but its not too much of a worry with this rifle. Its just a prototype for testing purposes at this point, so size and weight aren't a concern. The barrel alone weighs about 70lbs. It will also be used with either a brake or suppressor. Cutting down the size and weight to make it more portable as well as more development of recoil reduction systems will come down the road.

DonD
03-20-2012, 15:18
In any event, very interesting project, good luck with it.

In the old days of uninformed hype where people would falsely claim that a .357 would shoot right through an engine block, THAT gun certainly would with that wicked (assuming) solid bronze slug. Don :supergrin:

magman687
03-20-2012, 18:42
what optics are going on that badboy?

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-20-2012, 18:43
Most ballistic coefficient calculators don't let me go that high... Any idea what BC you'd be getting? Just a personal curiosity.

Supposedly 2.18 :wow:

In any event, very interesting project, good luck with it.

In the old days of uninformed hype where people would falsely claim that a .357 would shoot right through an engine block, THAT gun certainly would with that wicked (assuming) solid bronze slug. Don :supergrin:

I can't think of many things short of a tank this monster couldn't punch a hole in:supergrin:

TSAX
03-20-2012, 18:48
Your neighbors must be really be keeping their radios on too loud :supergrin:






:50cal:

PhantomF4E
03-20-2012, 19:03
Do those come nuclear tipped ? Yikes !!!

plouffedaddy
03-20-2012, 19:18
This is fantastic! I can't wait to see more pictures :wavey:

ronin.45
03-20-2012, 20:41
Anything that big should have explosive projectiles!

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-20-2012, 20:45
Anything that big should have explosive projectiles!

Payload projectiles are being planned for later on down the line :cool:

427
03-20-2012, 20:54
How will this be stocked - like the old school anti-tank rifles or something else?

arclight610
03-20-2012, 20:59
I'd love to shoot a groundhog with that.

bac1023
03-20-2012, 21:56
Wow! :wow:

RedHaze
03-20-2012, 22:57
Wow! :wow:

:agree:

faawrenchbndr
03-20-2012, 23:20
Sweet,.........how much powder is in a load?

jp3975
03-20-2012, 23:48
Was 20mm too big?

Isnt a caliber over .50 illegal? If so, how does the licensing work?

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-21-2012, 04:42
How will this be stocked - like the old school anti-tank rifles or something else?

XLR Industries are making the chassis

The final production version will have recoil reduction systems built into the stock which should make it far more manageable to shoot, but for now this is just a test platform.

Sweet,.........how much powder is in a load?

690-758gr

Was 20mm too big?

Isnt a caliber over .50 illegal? If so, how does the licensing work?

The whole project is designed around the projectile. If the projected numbers prove correct during testing, it should far surpass the energy levels and downrange performance of the 20mm.

As far as legality goes, generally speaking anything over .50 is in destructive device territory, and destructive devices are NFA regulated. This doesn't mean they're illegal, you just have to deal with some red tape to own one, just as you would with any other Class 3 item. However, this round may be able to get an exemption from the ATF. These exemptions are typically given for specialist application rounds and big bore hunting rounds (like say the .600NE). The .950JDJ is a good example of another hugely powerful specialist round that was given an exemption, although the 14.9mm is on another level in terms of performance.

According to the guy behind the project, if the project is a success and the rifle becomes commercially available, he'd expect it to run about $10,000

Bren
03-21-2012, 04:49
Was 20mm too big?

Isnt a caliber over .50 illegal? If so, how does the licensing work?

$200 to register - NFA destructive device.

I'm not sure it serves a practical purpose - there is a point, in both rifle size and distance, where a rifle isn't the best weapon.

DonD
03-21-2012, 07:30
I'd love to shoot a groundhog with that.

I usually say that there is no such thing as overkill with what we typically call personal firearms. THIS one would qualify but I'd love to see the result on slow motion!

Ground pigs must have evolved for the entertainment of shooters. Has been a very long time but as a late teen/early 20s, 150 gr slugs out of a 7mm Remington Mag really messed them up. Don :supergrin:

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-21-2012, 11:55
$200 to register - NFA destructive device.

I'm not sure it serves a practical purpose - there is a point, in both rifle size and distance, where a rifle isn't the best weapon.

Its practicality is certainly debatable, but I think it definitely has potential in certain applications. Its just at the early prototype stage right now, so its too early to tell.

Besides that, its R&D done for projects like this that will eventually trickle down to the everyday shooter. Perhaps down the line this may lead to the development of a higher BC .30 cal bullet

DIXIE DUCK
03-21-2012, 15:09
Can I get a short barrel tactical version with more rails?

Brucev
03-21-2012, 15:50
More power to you. But, can't see it having any practical use. The military has no lack of weapons that more than fill that niche.

syntaxerrorsix
03-21-2012, 15:52
More power to you. But, can't see it having any practical use. The military has no lack of weapons that more than fill that niche.

Why does it have to be practical?

Why can't it be cool as **** and fun?

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-21-2012, 16:28
Can I get a short barrel tactical version with more rails?

The SBR length room clearing version is coming later. Should be great for those times when you want to put a softball sized hole in somebody and set them on fire at the same time from 10ft away :tongueout:

oldnoob
03-21-2012, 17:18
That is one scary round.

Berto
03-21-2012, 17:29
The Man's rifle, since the Boy's was only .55cal.

DonD
03-21-2012, 18:53
The SBR length room clearing version is coming later. Should be great for those times when you want to put a softball sized hole in somebody and set them on fire at the same time from 10ft away :tongueout:

Room clearing? Really?? Don't you mean room demolition? If you missed, as you said, they'd be stunned by the blast and muzzle flash! Don

jp3975
03-21-2012, 18:57
XLR Industries are



The whole project is designed around the projectile. If the projected numbers prove correct during testing, it should far surpass the energy levels and downrange performance of the 20mm.

As far as legality goes, generally speaking anything over .50 is in destructive device territory, and destructive devices are NFA regulated. This doesn't mean they're illegal, you just have to deal with some red tape to own one, just as you would with any other Class 3 item. However, this round may be able to get an exemption from the ATF. These exemptions are typically given for specialist application rounds and big bore hunting rounds (like say the .600NE). The .950JDJ is a good example of another hugely powerful specialist round that was given an exemption, although the 14.9mm is on another level in terms of performance.

According to the guy behind the project, if the project is a success and the rifle becomes commercially available, he'd expect it to run about $10,000


$200 to register - NFA destructive device.

I'm not sure it serves a practical purpose - there is a point, in both rifle size and distance, where a rifle isn't the best weapon.

Well that's interesting. I assumed 20mm would perform better.

I meant illegal to have without license.

Having to pay $200 per round before the cost of the round will put a big damper on civilian sales.

I dont know if they could get an exemption. That's not really a hunting gun. More of a take out tanks and aircraft from miles away gun.


Why does it have to be practical?

Why can't it be cool as **** and fun?

I guess it doesnt have to be. I already want one. But it probably needs to have a practical purpose to sell in significant quantities. Especially given that it's projected cost is 10k plus a $215 per round cost with a 6 month wait.

WinterWizard
03-21-2012, 19:37
Looks like a cannon to me, not a rifle. Anything that fires a non-guided projectile 3 miles is probably not going to be "accurate." There are too many factors at that distance. Even the best shooter in the world is probably not going to be able to hit any normal-sized target at 3 miles with any regularity. JMO. Would be fun to watch it fire, though.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-22-2012, 07:09
Well that's interesting. I assumed 20mm would perform better.

I meant illegal to have without license.

Having to pay $200 per round before the cost of the round will put a big damper on civilian sales.

I dont know if they could get an exemption. That's not really a hunting gun. More of a take out tanks and aircraft from miles away gun.

I guess it doesnt have to be. I already want one. But it probably needs to have a practical purpose to sell in significant quantities. Especially given that it's projected cost is 10k plus a $215 per round cost with a 6 month wait.

The 20mm doesn't even beat it when it come to muzzle energy. The real difference is the insane BC of the 14.9mm, which means it retains its velocity far more effectively.

There wouldn't be a $200 tax stamp required for the standard solids, you could buy it just like any other regular ammo. You'd just need a tax stamp for the rifle. If a real production run of ammo is made, we're talking maybe $12 a round, possibly less. Not cheap, but not that bad when you consider match grade .50 bmg is $5-$6 a round.

As far as the exemption goes, if it happens then great, but I don't see it hurting the project that much if it doesn't. I think it certainly has a chance though, considering the .950JDJ certainly isn't a hunting round either and it was able to get it.

Looks like a cannon to me, not a rifle. Anything that fires a non-guided projectile 3 miles is probably not going to be "accurate." There are too many factors at that distance. Even the best shooter in the world is probably not going to be able to hit any normal-sized target at 3 miles with any regularity. JMO. Would be fun to watch it fire, though.

I disagree. You'd be surprised whats possible for a good shooter with the right gear. I know of guys who can hit targets at 2 miles. Its far from easy, but it can be done. Heres a pic of a target being engaged at 3500 yards with a .408CT. A .375CT would be even more capable at that distance. The red arrow shows where the target is.

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af311/jimmym40a3/2milearrow.jpg

Heres the video

Shooting 2 miles with Cheytac Intervention m200 - YouTube

Hell heres a video of a shooter thats never shot beyond 400 yards before making hits at 2000 yards. Sure its not every shot but its not bad for a first time

Gap 7wsm at 2000 yards - YouTube

While nothing is certain when you're pushing into new territory like this project is, if the projected numbers hold up in testing then 3 mile shooting may indeed be possible. All I know is I can't wait to find out :cool:

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-22-2012, 09:49
Some of the 4" long projectiles

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/ExtremistX2/5851690SP011a.jpg


Another point to consider with the project as far as possible military applications go, is the effectiveness of this round compared to say the 20mm Vulcan or even the 30x113mm used in the likes of the of the Apache's M230. In terms of ballistics those rounds are rocks compared to the 14.9mm. With its energy retention as a result of its huge BC, it could be a more effective long range mounted weapons system

motorcycleman
03-22-2012, 15:36
Can we open carry this!??

Batesmotel
03-22-2012, 17:04
I was talking to a guy who was pushing the 416 Barrett to some EXTREME ranges. He was saying there are a lot of guns and rounds doing extreme ranges accurately but the failure is in the optics. The target is just so far away you can't see it.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-22-2012, 20:44
I was talking to a guy who was pushing the 416 Barrett to some EXTREME ranges. He was saying there are a lot of guns and rounds doing extreme ranges accurately but the failure is in the optics. The target is just so far away you can't see it.

It isn't so much about not being able to see your target, there are 80x scopes available these days, its getting one that has both the magnification and the elevation travel to get you there. There are options out there though

Scott3670
03-22-2012, 23:29
The SBR length room clearing version is coming later. Should be great for those times when you want to put a softball sized hole in somebody and set them on fire at the same time from 10ft away :tongueout:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Atomic Punk
03-22-2012, 23:57
looks awesome. lot of fun can be had with that.

i would suggest you look into microlon
http://www.microlon.com/

i used to work near the company. despite what it looks like, really not snake oil.

jp3975
03-23-2012, 02:57
The 20mm doesn't even beat it when it come to muzzle energy. The real difference is the insane BC of the 14.9mm, which means it retains its velocity far more effectively.

There wouldn't be a $200 tax stamp required for the standard solids, you could buy it just like any other regular ammo. You'd just need a tax stamp for the rifle. If a real production run of ammo is made, we're talking maybe $12 a round, possibly less. Not cheap, but not that bad when you consider match grade .50 bmg is $5-$6 a round.

As far as the exemption goes, if it happens then great, but I don't see it hurting the project that much if it doesn't. I think it certainly has a chance though, considering the .950JDJ certainly isn't a hunting round either and it was able to get it.


Oh...so just the rifle needs the tax stamp? Thats not bad then.

I look forward to hearing more about it.

Dont suppose they have a facebook?