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WoodenPlank
03-20-2012, 22:40
Looks like Colt is bringing a semi-auto M4A1 to market (http://networkedblogs.com/vp8mi), complete with KAC railed handguards and MaTech rear sight.

Iiiiiinteresting....

Foxtrotx1
03-20-2012, 22:52
Wow, it's the same old same old with a different rail and a mall ninja roll mark!

WoodenPlank
03-20-2012, 22:53
Wow, it's the same old same old with a different rail and a mall ninja roll mark!

I think the roll mark is the same as the current LE line, actually...

AK_Stick
03-20-2012, 23:26
Will be buying one, and re-barreling it with a proper 14.5 inch tube.

Javelin
03-20-2012, 23:29
So Colt throws a KAC rail on their gun (which you can get for $149 factory KAC rail seconds from their website currently) and it's the SOCOM? :cool:

But serious question here. I had that exact same setup in the Army (only with an M68 Aimpoint) and I was just regular old line Infantry. Does this make me SOCOM now?

:supergrin:

Foxtrotx1
03-21-2012, 00:11
I think the roll mark is the same as the current LE line, actually...

Lets face it, the roll mark is gonna sell the rifle.

CAcop
03-21-2012, 00:48
The roll mark also makes it legal to sell in CA with a fixed 10 round mag.

AK_Stick
03-21-2012, 02:37
Lets face it, the roll mark is gonna sell the rifle.



Precisely why I'm going to pick one up. I've carried a M-4 on multiple combat deployments. Now I can toss my M-68 ontop and have MY M-4.

Javelin
03-21-2012, 02:46
Precisely why I'm going to pick one up. I've carried a M-4 on multiple combat deployments. Now I can toss my M-68 ontop and have MY M-4.

You going to get the 6921 model?

pmcjury
03-21-2012, 05:43
Maybe someone can educate me on this. Other than different furniture what is the difference between this and the LE6920?

RyanNREMTP
03-21-2012, 06:40
Wow, it looks almost exactly like my M4.

MD357
03-21-2012, 07:29
These are being listed for $1499 that I've seen so far...... no thanks.

Patriot III
03-21-2012, 07:43
I'm not impressed. I'll just keep my plain 'ol 6920.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i90/TedG954/IMG_0080c.jpg

RJHUB
03-21-2012, 07:49
Javelin,
Is that KAC rail a clean swap out with original?
Snap off old and snap in KAC? For LE6920?

jwhite75
03-21-2012, 08:18
UHHHH isnt that just a 6940? Basically?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=277813144

fuzzy03cls
03-21-2012, 08:34
I'll keep my 14.5 LMT setup with Eotech, KAC rail, & MaTech rear sight. Looks & functions exactly the same.

WoodenPlank
03-21-2012, 11:05
Javelin,
Is that KAC rail a clean swap out with original?
Snap off old and snap in KAC? For LE6920?

Yeah, it is a drop in. You can buy a "blemished" rail direct from KAC for $150. If its a true m4a1 barrel, though, you may have to modify the rail slightly to make it fit.

Sent from the USS Sulaco, while nuking the site from orbit.

zhix
03-21-2012, 11:12
As someone already said I'm pretty sure Colt is using the same 'M4 Carbine' rollmark on all their ARs now.

From what I'm seeing the rear sight on this model is would be about the same cost as a Colt USGI carry handle, and the Knight's rail at full retail is about $350, which IMO is overpriced for a 2 piece rail anyhow.
So if you add it up you're actually paying more than you would buying a regular 6920 and getting the rail separately..

mvician
03-21-2012, 16:23
Maybe someone can educate me on this. Other than different furniture what is the difference between this and the LE6920?

The barrel profile. The M4A1 is the heavier barrel.



http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/mvician/100_3217.jpg

M&P15T
03-21-2012, 16:52
Precisely why I'm going to pick one up. I've carried a M-4 on multiple combat deployments. Now I can toss my M-68 ontop and have MY M-4.

Is the rear sight on it the correct, true M4 sight, just like what was on YOUR M4? Rails too?

Glock 1
03-21-2012, 17:23
Looks like my LE but with better handguard. I do love the AR. :supergrin:

NCHeel
03-21-2012, 18:26
UHHHH isnt that just a 6940? Basically?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=277813144
It is a cross between the 6920 and the 6940. Same stock, grip and rear sight as a 6940. A2 front sight and removable hand guards like the 6920. Guess it comes with 30 round mags instead of the 20's I got.

I'll keep my LE6940.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZLrAwP9l61s/T1wlOV16uYI/AAAAAAAAAi4/m6dL-yky2NU/s727/DSC00644.JPG

Foxtrotx1
03-21-2012, 18:36
The barrel profile. The M4A1 is the heavier barrel.



http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/mvician/100_3217.jpg

Oh screw that. Don't need the extra weight if it's not full auto.

mvician
03-21-2012, 18:49
Oh screw that. Don't need the extra weight if it's not full auto.


weight difference is 4 ounces :whistling:

zhix
03-21-2012, 19:00
Colt's site says the 6920 weighs 6.9 lbs and the 'socom' 7.0 lbs..

WoodenPlank
03-21-2012, 20:00
Is the rear sight on it the correct, true M4 sight, just like what was on YOUR M4? Rails too?

A lot of it is personal preference, from what I have seen, especially true in SOF units.

mvician
03-21-2012, 20:32
Colt's site says the 6920 weighs 6.9 lbs and the 'socom' 7.0 lbs..

The KAC rail adds some weight on the SOCOM model, then then difference between the carry handle and the Matech. Tenth of an ounce difference isn't much. :supergrin:


The SOCOM 14.5" barrel is 4 ounces heavier than the regular 14.5" M4 barrel. So I'm sure the SOCOM 16" barrel is the same 4 ounces heavier than the regular 16" 6920 M4 barrel.

samuse
03-21-2012, 20:43
I have a SOCOM barrel and I wouldn't do it again.

It's not really noticeable until you carry it for awhile. Then it gets annoying.

AK_Stick
03-22-2012, 18:40
Is the rear sight on it the correct, true M4 sight, just like what was on YOUR M4? Rails too?


When I ran a BUIS, yes I had the Ma-tech. While I strongly dislike the sight, it was free.

Yes, the rails are the same as what my M-4's have run on two of the deployments. I've also ran a SF rail when we local purchased our own.

Foxtrotx1
03-22-2012, 22:08
I would argue that 4 ounces forward of the center of balance is more than 4 ounces when your shouldering the rifle.

AK_Stick
03-23-2012, 00:31
If you're concerned about 4 ounces on the profile of the barrel, I'd argue you're probably in such poor physical shape that its nothing more than trivial anyways.

Snaps
03-23-2012, 00:37
also, Colt is not using the standard sized pins. I'll be buying one probably but I"m a colt guy

WoodenPlank
03-23-2012, 02:23
also, Colt is not using the standard sized pins. I'll be buying one probably but I"m a colt guy

I'm pretty sure Colt returned to both standard size trigger and takedown pins quite some time ago.

Airhasz
04-26-2012, 20:07
I just happened on this thread for the first time today that is a month or so old and got a laugh as this is the weapon I was purchasing at the time. I didn't know much about the AR world at the time except I wanted a complete weapon and I knew Colt's AR was a safe bet from decades of military use or it would have been scraped by now. This way I could enjoy AR shooting while I observe everyone building AR's and learning as much as possible from there posts while they debate parts and configurations. I knew at the time of purchase I was

overpaying for this weapon when regular 6920 was around $350.00 cheaper but this socom model truly had the look I wanted and was sitting in my LGS. So I took the hit and had my dream gun. But what made me laugh was the way people are so defensive about this socom model...the consensus was it is overpriced, not really socom and nothing new. I now see these things are true...but people act as if COLT IS PHYSICALLY FORCING EVERYONE TO PURCHASE THIS M4A1 WITH OVER INFLATED PRICING AND BANNING OWNERSHIP OF ALL OTHER ARs! Colt is a business and sell whatever they want, they do not owe the public anything that I'm aware of and there is no monopoly so people are free to buy or build whatever they want and companies can name their products anything they want. So they have another version of the M4 model, big deal, don't buy it if it's not for you. I'm not upset since I do enjoy my weapon but just surprised how intense of a subject this can be. I'm sure there is much more I don't know about the Colt sucks phenomenon and I'm sure I will learn more as time passes. Thanks for reading....:faint:

arclight610
04-26-2012, 20:21
Javelin,
Is that KAC rail a clean swap out with original?
Snap off old and snap in KAC? For LE6920?

Or you could just buy mine in the classifieds... Jus' sayin' :whistling:

DieselNut
05-01-2012, 17:22
Just give me a dpms







I'm full of _____

fnfalman
05-01-2012, 19:18
Wow, it's the same old same old with a different rail and a mall ninja roll mark!

Hell, it's the same-old-same-old since 1960 or whenever Armalite got it running. Throw on some plastic enhancement and it's all good.

Quiet
05-03-2012, 04:33
Colt is gearig up to sell semi-auto only M4 rifles to the civilian market because they lost the contract to supply M4s to the US Military. Remington Defense is now the new supplier of M-4s for the US Military.

M&P15T
05-03-2012, 05:34
Colt is gearig up to sell semi-auto only M4 rifles to the civilian market because they lost the contract to supply M4s to the US Military. Remington Defense is now the new supplier of M-4s for the US Military.
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2kh2wUhR11qad0who2_500.jpg

DieselNut
05-03-2012, 06:05
You think they'll maintain their standards or go for profit like some other brands?

Matthew Courtney
05-03-2012, 06:53
I just happened on this thread for the first time today that is a month or so old and got a laugh as this is the weapon I was purchasing at the time. I didn't know much about the AR world at the time except I wanted a complete weapon and I knew Colt's AR was a safe bet from decades of military use or it would have been scraped by now. This way I could enjoy AR shooting while I observe everyone building AR's and learning as much as possible from there posts while they debate parts and configurations. I knew at the time of purchase I was

overpaying for this weapon when regular 6920 was around $350.00 cheaper but this socom model truly had the look I wanted and was sitting in my LGS. So I took the hit and had my dream gun. But what made me laugh was the way people are so defensive about this socom model...the consensus was it is overpriced, not really socom and nothing new. I now see these things are true...but people act as if COLT IS PHYSICALLY FORCING EVERYONE TO PURCHASE THIS M4A1 WITH OVER INFLATED PRICING AND BANNING OWNERSHIP OF ALL OTHER ARs! Colt is a business and sell whatever they want, they do not owe the public anything that I'm aware of and there is no monopoly so people are free to buy or build whatever they want and companies can name their products anything they want. So they have another version of the M4 model, big deal, don't buy it if it's not for you. I'm not upset since I do enjoy my weapon but just surprised how intense of a subject this can be. I'm sure there is much more I don't know about the Colt sucks phenomenon and I'm sure I will learn more as time passes. Thanks for reading....:faint:

SOCOM - Sending Only Colt Our Money.

mvician
05-03-2012, 10:09
Colt is gearig up to sell semi-auto only M4 rifles to the civilian market because they lost the contract to supply M4s to the US Military. Remington Defense is now the new supplier of M-4s for the US Military.



Remington got an order for 24,000 M4A1's from the ARMY.

Airhasz
05-03-2012, 13:26
SOCOM - Sending Only Colt Our Money.

U forgot the guy ROFL...

nipperwolf
05-03-2012, 18:59
UHHHH isnt that just a 6940? Basically?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=277813144

Not at all. The 6940 is a monolithic frame.

whitebread
05-04-2012, 12:18
I never understood why someone would put a non-FF rail on a gun. And for the price of the KAC, there are many other options.

AK_Stick
05-04-2012, 12:33
non FF's work well for drop in installation for guys who want rails but can't work on weapons.


They've also been working just fine for the .mil for what 10 years of constant use?

Airhasz
05-04-2012, 16:00
non FF's work well for drop in installation for guys who want rails but can't work on weapons.


They've also been working just fine for the .mil for what 10 years of constant use?

Tough to argue with that statement...:shocked: