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GTownGlockMan
03-21-2012, 02:38
So we've all seen the cop mags filled with the newest toys from Springfield, Colt, and so on and we've decided we need them all so we buy them.
But what about those tools of the trade that you never thought you'd need until you're on that call and say to yourself "man I wish I had _____". How about offering some helpful albeit non typical gear recommendations for those of us who have not been doing this quite as long as you. A brief explanation of how it's used is always helpful.
So far I've found I needed:
Dog Leash
In the past 2wks I've used a dog leash twice since ACO doesn't work outside of 8-5 M-F. When you're trying to drag the dog into the back seat to take it out to the shelter this is super helpful. Some dogs will freak when you try and pick them up. Ask me how I know.
Thick Cow Hide Gloves
No joke I was dispatched to a squirrel in a cabinet call a couple months back. Then and there I was saying to myself how great it would have been to have my brush-clearing gloves from the house so I don't get munched on by a possibly rabid squirrel.
A 2nd Pair of Dry Socks and Boots
Last night our little town got 5" of rain. My issued rain coat worked great from about the knees up but below the knees was a different story. I was miserable working the remaining 7hrs of my 12hr shift with a lake in my boots. I've got an old set of boots from the Academy I plan on tossing in the back with a dry set of socks for the future. Fool me once Rain...
Candy
I am not a medic nor will I ever profess to be trained as such however if I have a diabetic saying she's having a blood sugar emergency and needs sugar NOW I'll be damned if I'm working a DOS bc it took FD/EMS too long to get out of bed or put down the PS3 controller to save her in time. And if you don't ever have to use it for that you can munch on it at 4am when you're literally counting the minutes until 6am and debating with yourself the likelihood of getting caught nodding off by your partner (who will go get your spare key just to open up your car and mess with you while you sleep).
Just a few that came to mind :)
Your right about the dog lead as it also works great as a prisoner leg restraint run it through the loop and over the legs and clip the hook to the handcuff chain . The 4ft length is what you need.
Ohio Copper
03-21-2012, 03:36
A shovel. Regular garden variety. You never know what you're going to have to scoop off the roadway. Keep one in the trunk.
Sent from my Calculator.
FiremanMike
03-21-2012, 05:10
FWIW a diabetic that is talking to you and telling you they need sugar isn't as critically low as you might think and is more than capable of waiting 5-10 mins for medics to show up. Those who are critically low are going to be unresponsive or barely responsive and should not receive anything by mouth under any circumstances whatsoever as they cannot protect their airway.
CanIhaveGasCash
03-21-2012, 05:20
Your right about the dog lead as it also works great as a prisoner leg restraint run it through the loop and over the legs and clip the hook to the handcuff chain . The 4ft length is what you need.
I do the opposite. I carry a nylon leg restraint that works great as a dog leash.
Every cop should have a leatherman type tool. I use mine at least once a shift, and have another cop ask to borrow it almost as frequently.
Napkins come in handy for a variety of reasons. As does a big bottle of hand sanitizer.
Hearing protection is something I always have in my bag, useful when it's time to take care of critters.
FWIW a diabetic that is talking to you and telling you they need sugar isn't as critically low as you might think and is more than capable of waiting 5-10 mins for medics to show up. Those who are critically low are going to be unresponsive or barely responsive and should not receive anything by mouth under any circumstances whatsoever as they cannot protect their airway.
Speaking as a diabetic, I find that to be faulty information. If you come across a diabetic who cannot walk straight, is slurring in speech, and having difficulty forming words, any form of rapid acting glucose, or the equivalent is a very good thing to give one having a hypoglycaemic reaction. Personally I carry glucose tablets, and have my meter on me; as well I wear a medic alert bracelet.
Edited to add: diabetics come in different varying degrees of being affected by this disease. Some when starting on that downward spiral into low sugar territory may be heading real low, and rapidly. The only thing you can do for an unconscious diabetic is to give one a glucagon shot, which is more trouble than giving a piece of candy; some sugar or whatever else that is rapid acting that you may have handy.
Then, depending on services where you live, (or work), it may be longer than five to ten minutes for EMS to get to the person whom you are concerned with.
FiremanMike
03-21-2012, 06:38
I'm not going to take anything from you and your experience as a diabetic, but generally speaking (nearly always) someone with "critical values" for low sugar (<20mg/dL) that need sugar immediately is not self aware enough to follow commands and you run a real and palpable risk of creating a massive airway problem on top of their low sugar. Someone staggering around, slurring their speech, stating a previous history of diabetes, is likely able to follow verbal commands and take oral glucose without a problem, however they are most likely in the 50-70mg/dL range and no where near "critical levels" requiring "immediate intervention".
This is not to say "never give a diabetic sugar especially when they are asking for it", but rather to say "don't carry around candy to give to all diabetics you encounter with potentially low sugar". You simply cannot put stuff in someones mouth who is unresponsive. You laugh, and some may be mumbling under their breath "what, does this guy think I have no common sense?" but I have seen "medical professionals" squirting tubes of oral glucose into people who were completely unresponsive, this is flatly unacceptable.
On a final note, one was remember that as a police officer, you probably aren't allowed to give medical treatment. This is a point that was driven home to me time and time again during the academy and FTO "I don't care what your background is, when you put the gun belt on, you are a cop, not a medic". My reason for this last point is this - if you give candy to a diabetic and they choke on it and die, you have to expect they are going to **** you sideways with no lube.
RyanNREMTP
03-21-2012, 06:51
As for the diabetics, I recommend a tube of cake icing instead of something that can lodge in the airway and choke them.
Not on patrol yet but I taking the information here to heart. Amazing I got most of this stuff laying around the house except the shovel. Might make a trip to the Army Navy Surplus and pick up a folding one there cheap.
I keep a pair of reuseable earplugs (the blue ones with the orange string from Wal-Mart) in my cargo pocket. Useful on alarms, when putting down a deer, or most recently, helping carry an EDP who was screaming at the top of her lungs non-stop down three flights of stairs. Coworkers laughed at me when I put them in, wasn't so funny when we got to the bottom.
As for the diabetics, I recommend a tube of cake icing instead of something that can lodge in the airway and choke them.
Yeah, 'cuz that would definitely last if I had it in my bag. ;)
Kadetklapp
03-21-2012, 08:22
Wet wipes are a must, so is a disposable camera (my phone chooses the most inconvenient time to die).
DoogieHowser
03-21-2012, 09:12
If you live in an area that has a longer fire/ems response time than the 10min it would take. Try cake icing tubes, very similar to the stuff we use. If they want it and can protect their airway it isn't going to hurt.
ETA: I see others in the 'know' already posted it, I've got to disagree with ya Mike. I've had plenty of patients that tank fast and are still capable of protecting the airway. WTH do we carry oral glucose? It's not rocket science, every officer has to make their decision on personal reasons and transport/response times.
ChuteTheMall
03-21-2012, 09:19
A teddy bear in the trunk, in case you end up with a crying child?
OfficerChris
03-21-2012, 09:43
A teddy bear in the trunk, in case you end up with a crying child?
I recommend a toy pig like in the movie RED
Kadetklapp
03-21-2012, 09:53
A teddy bear in the trunk, in case you end up with a crying child?
Ah! Yes. I have carried one around for YEARS and never had occasion to hand it out, but I did a few weeks ago. I actually NEEDED three but I was able to use one and charge each child with chores to take care of it. Poor kids. I've never been to a domestic where the kids were so grief-stricken. Poor things....
My field of law enforcement, (which is federal corrections), is a bit different concerning EMS practices. No medical staff are on overnight, but are on call, as per the national policy. So, we are for all intents and purposes on our own as to initial response. The inmate has stuff in their cells usually if he is diabetic, and in segregation we have some emergency supplies given to us to use, which includes glucose gel. If it is discernible that he is having a low sugar problem we give it, and make the call to the LT who in turn makes the call to the on call health services person; who in turn makes the decisions. Sometimes if it looks like the there is a possibility of a more immediate need the EMS is activated, and we proceed from there. During the other hours of the day there is at least an EMT on duty, including during the weekends; in which case most minor emergencies can be taken care of on the spot.
However, if I am out in the field on escort trips we have a whole different thing in play. If necessary EMS is immediately activated, as well possibly involving out of agency law enforcement for reasons of security.
So, there are hard fast rules concerning diabetics, but flexibility is key as well.
Other equipment that I might take on the outside would be sanitizer wipes, a little extra food, and if escorting a diabetic inmate I may have a little extra glucose handy from prison health services stores for the escorted inmate.
merlynusn
03-21-2012, 11:39
First, you must ensure you are acting within the scope of your medical training and employment. You cannot give oral glucose/sugar/candy to someone who is not lucid enough to take it themselves. They have to know exactly what you are giving them and what they are to do. If they can't form that understanding, then you are acting outside the scope of your training and practice. An EMT basic would be acting outside the scope of their training at that point.
If your agency does not give you the scope of practice to give diabetics sugar, then you are acting of your own volition and will be not be covered if anything goes wrong.
JBaird22
03-21-2012, 12:54
In an effort to get the wheels back on the bus....I carry an E Tool in my bag. I once had to dig my stuck patrol car out of the snow with an ice scraper. E tool much more efficient.
DBBR suggested ear plugs. I carry the Surefire ones with the little extra plug in it for even more sound dampening.
Benadryl lotion (it comes in a pen with a roller ball on the end). I swell up from bug bites like you would not believe and this takes the edge off.
Some sort of anti-diarrhea medication. Nothing worse than having the squirts and having to run back to the PD every so often fearing not making it.
I have an entire spare set of under clothes in the trunk of my POV.
I oddly don't carry extra food for myself on duty. I live by the mantra of a good cop never goes hungry, thirsty or has to take a leak. So, as long as I stay fueled, I am good to go for an extended engagement.
A teddy bear in the trunk, in case you end up with a crying child?
thats what those teddy bears are for? i always tag them as personal property for drunks when we arrest them. when they are released they are given the teddy bear.
I carry a pack of cigarettes. I don't smoke, but giving someone a cigarette has often been very beneficial in the information department.
nikerret
03-21-2012, 14:05
Toilet paper.
Thought of another one: I keep micro and mini USB cables and a microSD to SD adapter on hand. Every once in a while you'll have somebody snap a picture or take a video of something you're investigating, and it's nice to be able to extract it immediately.
I carry a pack of cigarettes. I don't smoke, but giving someone a cigarette has often been very beneficial in the information department.
Same here. Still going off the same pack probably two or three years later. I'm sure they're not very "good" as far as cigarettes go, but I've never been turned down.
nursetim
03-21-2012, 15:07
Firemanmike, I've had several patients in the 20's talking to me and able to follow commands, granted not a lot 6 at most. Frosting in a tube PO or PR will make sure they do not go down due low blood sugar. Under the tongue and the Lg bowel are rich capillary beds that allows the sugar to enter the blood quickly and get to the brain.
Arvinator
03-21-2012, 15:58
I keep a roll pf papertowells in the front seat of the patrol car with me. It is multi-purpose from wiping tears/sweat/etc.
Also I keep a can of insect repellent in the trunk with other items such as pliers, screwdrivers, and a small crowbar. I have had to break into a house more than once of a elderly person needing help and the house was like a Fort.
I use Gorilla tape and paracord all the time.
I have repaired Stop signs, fixed a school bus, mended all sorts of car body parts and such with the tape and paracord.
Wet wipes are nice to have too.
Bug spray, first aid supplies, etc.
I have a wide variety of stuff in my trunk.
FiremanMike
03-21-2012, 16:28
Firemanmike, I've had several patients in the 20's talking to me and able to follow commands, granted not a lot 6 at most. Frosting in a tube PO or PR will make sure they do not go down due low blood sugar. Under the tongue and the Lg bowel are rich capillary beds that allows the sugar to enter the blood quickly and get to the brain.
Yep, I've seen 2, both were able to follow verbal commands and thus fit into my category of "appropriate to give oral stuff", the rest of my <20 were totally gorked.
Look you guys do what you want, just be aware of the ambulance chasers. I am content waiting several minutes for a squad to come and check sugar, give IV sugar and move on with life. Generally speaking hypoglycemia needs to persist for an excessive amount of time (many hours) before it becomes a life threatening issue.
blueiron
03-21-2012, 16:33
Bug juice, a Glock folding shovel [it is a great tool], a GPS to call in aviation assets - medevac, SAR, etc. when out in the boonies, a ball peen hammer to break windows and pound out the crumpled fender on a car to get it off the road, "appropriated" firefighter gloves - great when needing to nose around a freshly burned stolen auto or when dealing with sharp or jagged items, duct tape, Swiss Army knife, my USMC issue KaBar, granola bars for something to eat when on a long scene or a disaster, a Zippo lighter, and couple of strong AlNiCo magnets [useful for tacking documents onto a vehicle exterior while parked at an accident/scene/incident].
I oddly don't carry extra food for myself on duty. I live by the mantra of a good cop never goes hungry, thirsty or has to take a leak. So, as long as I stay fueled, I am good to go for an extended engagement.
I was always trained that it was:
A good cop never gets Cold, Wet or Hungry.
:rofl:
In truth though the first few that come to mind for me:
Hand Sanitizer
Bug Dope
Bottled Water, Granola Bars, Beef Jerkey
Duct Tape
Heavy Duty Leather Gloves
Hunca Munca
03-21-2012, 21:11
I'm not going to take anything from you and your experience as a diabetic, but generally speaking (nearly always) someone with "critical values" for low sugar (<20mg/dL) that need sugar immediately is not self aware enough to follow commands and you run a real and palpable risk of creating a massive airway problem on top of their low sugar. Someone staggering around, slurring their speech, stating a previous history of diabetes, is likely able to follow verbal commands and take oral glucose without a problem, however they are most likely in the 50-70mg/dL range and no where near "critical levels" requiring "immediate intervention".
This is not to say "never give a diabetic sugar especially when they are asking for it", but rather to say "don't carry around candy to give to all diabetics you encounter with potentially low sugar". You simply cannot put stuff in someones mouth who is unresponsive. You laugh, and some may be mumbling under their breath "what, does this guy think I have no common sense?" but I have seen "medical professionals" squirting tubes of oral glucose into people who were completely unresponsive, this is flatly unacceptable.
On a final note, one was remember that as a police officer, you probably aren't allowed to give medical treatment. This is a point that was driven home to me time and time again during the academy and FTO "I don't care what your background is, when you put the gun belt on, you are a cop, not a medic". My reason for this last point is this - if you give candy to a diabetic and they choke on it and die, you have to expect they are going to **** you sideways with no lube.
A can of regular coke or pepsi would do the same trick without the whole choking liability scenario...
Hunca Munca
03-21-2012, 21:16
Firemanmike, I've had several patients in the 20's talking to me and able to follow commands, granted not a lot 6 at most. Frosting in a tube PO or PR will make sure they do not go down due low blood sugar. Under the tongue and the Lg bowel are rich capillary beds that allows the sugar to enter the blood quickly and get to the brain.
You give cake frosting enemas???!!! :faint::faint::faint:
D50>Glucagon>oral glucose> cake frosting enema
Just sayin'......
Pepper45
03-21-2012, 23:35
E-tool
Bolt Cutters
Duct Tape
Paracord
adhesive backed velcro
Small tool kit
Wet Wipes
Small personal med kit (allergy pills, Tylenol, Immodium, Gas-X, etc)
Toilet paper.
Is that so you dont have to use your tickets again?
I remember that from a post a while back.... :)
Sometimes we have teddy bears in the car but I don't bother giving it out to the kid. Usually I am the first officer on scene and it may be quite some time before another officer gets there for backup. I don't have time to hand out teddy bears. Sorry it sounds bad but thats just how I think. I'll try to comfort the kid but we dont have the luxury of 5 officers responding and baby sitting the suspect and the kids.
Ive carried a dog leash that has a built in collar for quite some time.
Bought a grappling hook from countycomm a couple years ago along with a breaching bar and have yet to use the grappling hook. I'm waiting for the day though :)
Ive had another officer that she goes to McDonalds and gets the packets of honey and keeps those in her bag for diabetics. Never have tried it thought. When I went to the academy they told us to give the diabetics sugar if they ask for it even if they didn't have a way to check the blood sugar.
Bought a grappling hook from countycomm a couple years ago along with a breaching bar and have yet to use the grappling hook. I'm waiting for the day though :)
I've used my grappling hook. Helps if you have a sense of humor. :rofl:
Sar you are going to leave that open and not tell me the background story on this grappling hook usage?
Condoms? They're for protection, after all. Just saying is all.
Dog Leash
In the past 2wks I've used a dog leash twice since ACO doesn't work outside of 8-5 M-F. When you're trying to drag the dog into the back seat to take it out to the shelter this is super helpful. Some dogs will freak when you try and pick them up. Ask me how I know.
Think about what goes in your back seat - the dogs are probably concerned about germs.
The leash is a great idea, I am gonna grab a cheapy at wal mart.
Goldendog Redux
03-22-2012, 08:29
thats what those teddy bears are for? i always tag them as personal property for drunks when we arrest them. when they are released they are given the teddy bear.
Brilliant
My old department gave us these decals of our badges that said "Junior Police Officer" on it. The only time I found myself in the presence of kids was when I was either taking mommy or daddy out of the house, or taking them out of the house.
I didn't give them to the kids because I felt they were too busy screaming and crying to appreciate what a fine thing my department did in buying them these badges...
Weirdest things in my warbag are a big roll of paper towels, scissors, and a screwdriver...oh yeah, and a tube of Prep H, but that's for the bags under my eyes...I swear! :whistling:
Condoms? They're for protection, after all. Just saying is all.
Officer safety?
SonOfMallNinja
03-22-2012, 10:02
I have had to break into a house more than once of a elderly person needing help and the house was like a Fort.
A few years ago the deadbolt on my parent's house jammed tight. It was about ten degrees out, so I took them to my house and went back to drill the lock on the back door. One of the neighbors saw me and called it in (good on them). Three officers responded, get the story from me, dispatcher calls my house and confirms, end of story.
My wife tells me later, "You know honey, just for a moment, I thought about telling the dispatcher I had no idea who you were..."
nikerret
03-22-2012, 10:14
Is that so you dont have to use your tickets again?
I remember that from a post a while back.... :)
Sometimes we have teddy bears in the car but I don't bother giving it out to the kid.
Yes, that and tracking. The use of the NTA's still haunts me, from time to time. No one, around here, has forgotten, either :rofl:
I still have the original teddy bear given to me when I started here in Aug '08. Tried to give it to a little girl, once, she went from upset with tears, but composed to screaming and bawling, fit to be tied. That was sure a kick in the happy.
nursetim
03-22-2012, 10:22
Hunca munch, no frosting enemas, baby Ruth goes there. It's an old wilderness medicine trick.
BamaTrooper
03-22-2012, 10:57
I will pass this along-
Large garbage bags. What for you ask? Well, say you have a pissy drunk, not pissed off but pissed on, just snip off the two bottom corners, slip in on like a diaper and tape the top with duct tape. Instant diaper.
lawman800
03-22-2012, 12:15
USB cables/car chargers
Disinfectant spray (Purell gel but spray form) sometimes you don't want to get that close to dispense gel (Clorox wipes work as well for wiping down surfaces)
Box of nitrile gloves
Wet wipes
Lots of napkins (I usually grab a handful from a stop&rob or restaurant at the beginning of a shift and leave it in my bag's side pouch)
I used to carry a stuffed toy for the distraught kid, but only had to use it once... so I resorted to something easier that won't get ratty from being in the trunk forever... and went with stickers. Every kid loves stickers, easier to carry a lot of them too. I give out way more stickers too. Everytime you see a kid, here's a sticker, instant smiles.
Eyeglass spray/wipes, because your cool Oakleys will get smudged or dirty sometime and if you use anything but a proper spray/wipe cloth, the lenses will be destroyed soon enough, I know because I have a collection of almost new frames with destroyed lenses
Multi-tool, nuff said (used to secure my own stuff sometimes, like tightening a screw on my pocket knife clip)
Nail clipper/file because it's really annoying when you have a little piece break off or the nail front get ragged for some reason and it ends up snagging on your nice wool shirt all day... the pocket knife doesn't work too well for that, also works well as scissors for that occasional Irish pendant on the uniform, better than tugging at it or using a knife because you can't cut as close with it
Plastic grocery bags (never know when you need to throw something in a plastic bag that you don't want flopping around unbagged or if you generate some trash of your own while driving and don't want to throw it out the window of a marked unit)
Lighter/cigarettes, for myself as well as useful in general for people who ask for a light or cig to gain that rapport if you needed to... just make sure you stay tactically aware so you don't end up with a lit cig in your eye...
The utility gloves (gardening gloves) are a great idea... I have a spare pair for that same purpose at home, but I will get a pair for work. Also, I will definitely get some duct tape for work. If you can't fix it with duct tape, it's broken.
evilwill
03-22-2012, 12:25
I will pass this along-
Large garbage bags. What for you ask? Well, say you have a pissy drunk, not pissed off but pissed on, just snip off the two bottom corners, slip in on like a diaper and tape the top with duct tape. Instant diaper.
oohh..practical and humiliating ...I will add this to my collective.
windex and paper towels: have you seen the headrests on some of our vehicles?? It also doubles as a fingerprint darkener for the livescan machine
plastic packing strap from heavy cardboard boxes: can be used to strap things down or to open car doors
a cattle prod: to keep all the hot women at bay
PinkoCommie
03-22-2012, 13:40
The leash is a great idea, I am gonna grab a cheapy at wal mart.
A leg restraint works in a pinch. I've used mine several times as a leash. And several more as a leg restraint. ;)
lawman800
03-22-2012, 16:01
Hobble is awesome.
I will pass this along-
Large garbage bags. What for you ask? Well, say you have a pissy drunk, not pissed off but pissed on, just snip off the two bottom corners, slip in on like a diaper and tape the top with duct tape. Instant diaper.
Forgot all about that. Also useful for confiscated beer not otherwise found in a suitable container.
lawman800
03-22-2012, 16:05
Beer is always in a suitable container until you imbibe it.
Beer is always in a suitable container until you imbibe it.
Try taking two thirty packs, minus the packs.
We once had a guy take something like 30 cases off a kid. It was the night before a football game (Big Ten team in town) and was hauling it all to a buddy's house near the stadium for tailgating. It was in a Hyundai and it was loaded down pretty good. Thirty cases of beer.
lawman800
03-22-2012, 17:46
Why did you guys seize the beer?
Why did you guys seize the beer?
Not old enough to possess said beer. I usually make them dump it out, but thirty cases was never going to get dumped. It sat in our garage for months before it got tossed. An officer at a neighboring agency got in deep **** (and ended up resigning) after re-purposing some confiscated booze. Ultimately he got stuck testifying about what happened to it and his department didn't back him on it (as I recall).
Nine Shooter
03-22-2012, 19:53
In my trunk I carry... a sharps container, two boxes of rubber gloves, evidence bags, commonly used form file, stuffed animals, stickers, pencils for the kiddos, a dog leash, first aid kit, PPE, lots of bottled water, a metric ton of road flares, a stop/go sign I snagged from public works, crime scene tape, fingerprint kit, spare tire/jack/iron, DVD player hooked to my camera, measuring tape, spray paint for marking tires at crashes, tire chains, MRE, my patrol bag containing a bunch of other stuff... and I'm sure I am forgetting at least something.
My most uncommon item would probably be a lasso. There are a lot of loose livestock calls on day shift :upeyes:
Eyeglass spray/wipes, because your cool Oakleys will get smudged or dirty sometime and if you use anything but a proper spray/wipe cloth, the lenses will be destroyed soon enough, I know because I have a collection of almost new frames with destroyed lenses
http://www.oakley.com/search?Ntt=Replacement+Lenses
Just like resoling boots. About the same price too.:cool:
BULLRUNN
03-22-2012, 21:32
Sledge Hammer, Battering Ram, door wedges, para cord, flar gun, zip ties, trash bags(the BIG ones), tools, dog leash, binoculars, spotting scope, enough ammo to kill everyone in the neighborhood twice, GLOCK KNIFE, tow cable/rope, slimjim door pick, spare fuses for the patrol unit, MRE's, first aid kit, thats about all...
lawman800
03-22-2012, 22:30
http://www.oakley.com/search?Ntt=Replacement+Lenses
Just like resoling boots. About the same price too.:cool:
Prevention, not replacement, my friend. Lenses cost way too much compared to a simple spray and wipe cloth which I get for free from my optometrist.
cowboywannabe
03-22-2012, 22:32
tourniquet, quick clot, asherman chest seal. hope i never need them but without SABA being met nothing else matters.
lawman800
03-22-2012, 22:38
I didn't include the standard items like forms and patrol level first aid trauma kits because those are pretty normal now and the cars actually have those already in the trunk box without us having to pack them.
In my trunk I carry... a sharps container, two boxes of rubber gloves, evidence bags, commonly used form file, stuffed animals, stickers, pencils for the kiddos, a dog leash, first aid kit, PPE, lots of bottled water, a metric ton of road flares, a stop/go sign I snagged from public works, crime scene tape, fingerprint kit, spare tire/jack/iron, DVD player hooked to my camera, measuring tape, spray paint for marking tires at crashes, tire chains, MRE, my patrol bag containing a bunch of other stuff... and I'm sure I am forgetting at least something.
My most uncommon item would probably be a lasso. There are a lot of loose livestock calls on day shift :upeyes:
Hmm, the stop sign is a good idea. If we had our own cars I'd throw something like that in the trunk. A "Road Closed" sign would be good for short term deals where you are shutting down the roadway and don't want every nitwit with a driver's license trying to squeeze between your car and the curb.
knoxvegasdaddy
03-23-2012, 11:02
Firemanmike, I've had several patients in the 20's talking to me and able to follow commands, granted not a lot 6 at most. Frosting in a tube PO or PR will make sure they do not go down due low blood sugar. Under the tongue and the Lg bowel are rich capillary beds that allows the sugar to enter the blood quickly and get to the brain.
I don't care what you say, I ain't shooting a tube of icing in anybodys butte!
blueiron
03-23-2012, 12:32
Hmm, the stop sign is a good idea. If we had our own cars I'd throw something like that in the trunk. A "Road Closed" sign would be good for short term deals where you are shutting down the roadway and don't want every nitwit with a driver's license trying to squeeze between your car and the curb.
If the idiots can't comprehend what a huge American fleet vehicle that no one in their right mind would buy as a POV and with a myriad of flashing lights, all parked perpendicular to a road means - they are far too stupid to read and understand what two words on a piece of metal means.
nursetim
03-23-2012, 12:40
I don't care what you say, I ain't shooting a tube of icing in anybodys butte!
Me thinks my homie doth protest too much.:rofl:
RetailNinja
03-23-2012, 13:42
Traffic gloves and vests don't do squat, I like the stop sign idea.
I've never needed a leash, but I carry beggin' strips. ALL dogs love beggin strips.
lawman800
03-23-2012, 13:46
I find that if I criss-crossed a ****load of POLICE tape across an area, it works better than parking an unit or anything else for blocking a road. You can't just do one simple line across though, you have to go back and forth a few times like diagonally and make it look like a spider web almost... then it makes people think about it because nobody likes walking into a spider web, right?
Condoms? They're for protection, after all. Just saying is all.
New Mexico State Police Officer Caught Having Sex On Hood of His Car. . .
lawman800
03-23-2012, 16:11
New Mexico State Police Officer Caught Having Sex On Hood of His Car. . .
Better than our sergeant who got caught having sex inside his marked unit... By a neighboring agency... After someone called it in to them when he saw a bare ass because the sergeant was parked in their jurisdiction...
4949shooter
03-23-2012, 17:26
Too much information lawman. :whistling:
I've heard of some guys carrying paper shopping bags, in case they get a spitter.
lawman800
03-23-2012, 17:29
No piece of arse is worth it. He ended up working as a security guard after the whole ordeal.
larry_minn
03-23-2012, 17:31
If the idiots can't comprehend what a huge American fleet vehicle that no one in their right mind would buy as a POV and with a myriad of flashing lights, all parked perpendicular to a road means - they are far too stupid to read and understand what two words on a piece of metal means.
"Excuse me, Can I drive thru here, could you move your car?"
Ohio Copper
03-23-2012, 17:36
"I'm just goin down the street to the park. But it's just a fender bender why can't you let me through"?
That made my blood boil. Would have gladly taken the complaint for what I said after.
"Excuse me, Can I drive thru here, could you move your car?"
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4949shooter
03-23-2012, 17:46
No piece of arse is worth it. He ended up working as a security guard after the whole ordeal.
That was an expensive date.
lawman800
03-23-2012, 17:57
That was an expensive date.
That didn't include the shot out windows in the station lobby either when she didn't take the break up too well.:whistling:
series1811
03-24-2012, 05:41
Hammer and nails, long screws, battery powered screw gun.
After waiting hours, dozens of times, for someone to arrive with tools to secure broken down doors after we had served warrants, and arrested everybody present, I started making sure I always had the basic tools to put a door back together (as well as to take it apart) :supergrin:
Wife just picked up a 6' leash for me. Pink.
lawman800
03-24-2012, 07:03
Wife just picked up a 6' leash for me. Pink.
Hey, this is for work stuff. Keep your bedroom antics out of this thread!: whistling:
Slinger646
03-24-2012, 09:03
Something I haven't seen yet on here: BEE KILLER!
Door Chocks, Surveyors Tape, Grease Pencil for working ICS on the trunk lid, Duct Tape, Sharpie, Glow Sticks, IFF Glow Sticks, Dog Leash, Dog Biscuits, Stickers, wire coat-hangers, extra damn-its, multi-tool, bug spray, sun screen, space-blankets, Socks sealed in a food-saver, TP in Food Saver bags, push broom with handle cut into 3 sections for ease of transport, Minimal Ropes gear for going over embankments, Water-Rescue Throw bag, Fox40 whistles in every coat, Stanley FatMax demo bar, tools, inspection sticker scraper, yard stick (for bumper height), Super Sharpie for marking doors in a search, shove knife, interior removal tools, IR streamlight stylus for Fake ID detection....the list goes on til next week.
Maybe I missed it, but doesn't anyone include things like tampons, and such like? Works real well if you cannot afford a container of Quick-Clot.
cowboywannabe
03-24-2012, 11:49
Maybe I missed it, but doesn't anyone include things like tampons, and such like? Works real well if you cannot afford a container of Quick-Clot.
quick clot has a coagulant in it. besides, i'll save up to not have to use femine products....:rofl:
self aid buddy aid, aka SABA. if youre not equiped for the basics on that nothing else matters. most cops i know arent set up for basic self aid let alone buddy aid.
quick clot has a coagulant in it. besides, i'll save up to not have to use femine products....:rofl:
self aid buddy aid, aka SABA. if youre not equiped for the basics on that nothing else matters. most cops i know arent set up for basic self aid let alone buddy aid.
In the sandbox stuff like that has saved lives. Just sayin'.:wavey:
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_071905_Quigley,00.html
I am more than willing to use a pad or a tampon to plug a bullet wound. It worked before quick-clot. Think of it as a different form of pressure dressing.:supergrin:
cowboywannabe
03-24-2012, 12:30
In the sandbox stuff like that has saved lives. Just sayin'.:wavey:
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_071905_Quigley,00.html
I am more than willing to use a pad or a tampon to plug a bullet wound. It worked before quick-clot. Think of it as a different form of pressure dressing.:supergrin:
im sure it has, but i thought we were talking about state side police duties.
quick clot is not expensive unless youre using it every week or so, and id hope youd get more time off than that if you had to use it. :cool:
im sure it has, but i thought we were talking about state side police duties.
quick clot is not expensive unless youre using it every week or so, and id hope youd get more time off than that if you had to use it. :cool:
I work near Kansas City. In some parts it is like being in a war zone, and some of the hospitals that I have worked at are right near or in the war zone areas. In fact Truman Medical, (we don't have a contract with it so we haven't used it), is well known for being excellent at patching up people after a gun fight. It would actually be one of my first choices for myself if I was involved in one, and nearby the hospital. Fortunately none of our own staff have been shot at recently, but some of the other departments have had to put up with it. Off duty I have nearly had to pull out my own roscoe to take care of business.
MikeLadner
03-24-2012, 12:54
FWIW a diabetic that is talking to you and telling you they need sugar isn't as critically low as you might think and is more than capable of waiting 5-10 mins for medics to show up. Those who are critically low are going to be unresponsive or barely responsive and should not receive anything by mouth under any circumstances whatsoever as they cannot protect their airway.
I'll be damned. The day has arrived when I agree with a firefighter... :faint:
:tongueout:
merlynusn
03-24-2012, 13:11
Quik Clot shouldn't be used unless you absolutely have to. It is great if you're in a rural area or out in the boonies. If you're in the middle of a major city with a medic 5 minutes away and a trauma center 15 minutes away, pressure points work just as well with none of the after effects of quik clot.
Quik Clot shouldn't be used unless you absolutely have to. It is great if you're in a rural area or out in the boonies. If you're in the middle of a major city with a medic 5 minutes away and a trauma center 15 minutes away, pressure points work just as well with none of the after effects of quik clot.
I would think that would depend on where the bullet/stab wound is located. Would you do pressure points for places in the neck? A sucking chest wound, how would you address that one? My first aid for that is probably a little bit old when it comes to that stuff, so I am not trying to be a smart arse. But, I would think for a sucking chest wound for example I would use thick plastic if available and a direct pressure dressing. But, since direct pressure dressings are expensive, whereas feminine pads, and tampons are not as expensive a quick insertion of a tampon, plus a covering of the pad is very effective. The pad has some plastic to help shield from leakage. Tape or tie over as you would with a direct pressure dressing. Also, if IIRC it is easier to take out of the wound than quick-clot.
For a neck wound, or head wound, anywhere else direct pressure would not be advised or effective, I would use one of the tampons or pads, and keep covering with gauze dressing until the victim is in the ER.
For us on the inside we have limited medical staff as a Class 2 care facility. So, that means for us that we may well be on our own until a given situation is secure enough to bring EMS. Otherwise they are held off until it is secure. That's another reason to have quick-clot; tampons; feminine napkins, and other items as necessary for my first aid kit. During the big emergencies, (which thankfully are very seldom, perhaps more often in with the more dangerous criminals), nearly a 24 hour period may go by before one goes home to rest up.
cowboywannabe
03-24-2012, 14:31
a torniquet and a quick clot sponge can save your life. if you dont need either of these you arent hurt that bad lest it be internal core bleeding or head injury.
wear your vest. arms and legs can be torniquetted if an artery is hit.
lawman800
03-24-2012, 22:49
Maybe I missed it, but doesn't anyone include things like tampons, and such like? Works real well if you cannot afford a container of Quick-Clot.
Tampons go somewhere nice....:whistling:
series1811
03-25-2012, 04:25
I work near Kansas City. In some parts it is like being in a war zone, and some of the hospitals that I have worked at are right near or in the war zone areas. In fact Truman Medical, (we don't have a contract with it so we haven't used it), is well known for being excellent at patching up people after a gun fight. It would actually be one of my first choices for myself if I was involved in one, and nearby the hospital. Fortunately none of our own staff have been shot at recently, but some of the other departments have had to put up with it. Off duty I have nearly had to pull out my own roscoe to take care of business.
That sounds like the old Charity Hospital in New Orleans. The Army used to send trauma surgeons there to train for gunshot wounds. They would take the most shot up person you ever saw, and save their life, and then they would die a week later because the nurse forgot to give them their meds.
We used to say, "If I get shot, take me to Charity, and then as soon as I am stable, move me somewhere else." :supergrin:
They had more than one group come into the hospital and try to finish what they had started on the street.
4949shooter
03-25-2012, 04:45
That sounds like the old Charity Hospital in New Orleans. The Army used to send trauma surgeons there to train for gunshot wounds. They would take the most shot up person you ever saw, and save their life, and then they would die a week later because the nurse forgot to give them their meds.
We used to say, "If I get shot, take me to Charity, and then as soon as I am stable, move me somewhere else." :supergrin:
They had more than one group come into the hospital and try to finish what they had started on the street.
Sounds like a war zone there.
merlynusn
03-25-2012, 08:50
I would think that would depend on where the bullet/stab wound is located. Would you do pressure points for places in the neck? A sucking chest wound, how would you address that one? My first aid for that is probably a little bit old when it comes to that stuff, so I am not trying to be a smart arse. But, I would think for a sucking chest wound for example I would use thick plastic if available and a direct pressure dressing. But, since direct pressure dressings are expensive, whereas feminine pads, and tampons are not as expensive a quick insertion of a tampon, plus a covering of the pad is very effective. The pad has some plastic to help shield from leakage. Tape or tie over as you would with a direct pressure dressing. Also, if IIRC it is easier to take out of the wound than quick-clot.
For a neck wound, or head wound, anywhere else direct pressure would not be advised or effective, I would use one of the tampons or pads, and keep covering with gauze dressing until the victim is in the ER.
For us on the inside we have limited medical staff as a Class 2 care facility. So, that means for us that we may well be on our own until a given situation is secure enough to bring EMS. Otherwise they are held off until it is secure. That's another reason to have quick-clot; tampons; feminine napkins, and other items as necessary for my first aid kit. During the big emergencies, (which thankfully are very seldom, perhaps more often in with the more dangerous criminals), nearly a 24 hour period may go by before one goes home to rest up.
And I understand those circumstances. In that I can fully understand it. Where I work, I'm usually within 3-5 minutes of FF getting to me and less than 10 for a Medic. Our Level 1 Trauama Center is probably less than 20-30 minutes away from when we get shot. Yeah, if you're pinned down and it'll be a good 45 minutes to get to you, quik clot all the way. But on the street and you can get to a hospital within 20 minutes, I don't think that's what Quik Clot was designed for.
If you have the newer version, it isn't as bad. But the older ones had granules that would get into the wound and would have to be cleaned, which caused more damage to the wound than if they had just used pressure points and direct pressure.
cowboywannabe
03-25-2012, 09:47
And I understand those circumstances. In that I can fully understand it. Where I work, I'm usually within 3-5 minutes of FF getting to me and less than 10 for a Medic. Our Level 1 Trauama Center is probably less than 20-30 minutes away from when we get shot. Yeah, if you're pinned down and it'll be a good 45 minutes to get to you, quik clot all the way. But on the street and you can get to a hospital within 20 minutes, I don't think that's what Quik Clot was designed for.
If you have the newer version, it isn't as bad. But the older ones had granules that would get into the wound and would have to be cleaned, which caused more damage to the wound than if they had just used pressure points and direct pressure.
they sell the quick clot sponges now. no more loose granuals in the wound.
CJStudent
03-25-2012, 12:57
they sell the quick clot sponges now. no more loose granuals in the wound.
As well as the "Combat Gauze", with the quik-clot made into the gauze. That's what I was taught to use the last time I went through Combat Lifesaver with uncle sam.
Hack, hearing your stories kind of make me glad I work at a Medical Center; we always have at least an RN or PA on duty, PLUS the staff on the hospital floor. Daytime, we also have a Paramedic that's on our DCT that's VERY good.
series1811
03-26-2012, 04:43
Sounds like a war zone there.
It led the nation in murders for two or three of the years I was there (I always remember right around 430 one year because I barely missed winning the pool because of a four person dope killing right at the end of the year).
That's for a city of less than half a million people back then (for a what, 1 in 1200 chance of being murdered that year if you lived there. The numbers of people who just got shot were off the charts.
actionshooter10
03-26-2012, 14:51
Small bucket with horse feed in it.
A lasso is great if you get close enough to use it but the feed will work every time.
I keep a Magna Doodle in the trunk of my car - the one with the attached "pen". It comes in real handy when working with the hearing impaired community. They really seem to appreciate it as it shows that I've "thought" of this before. It's a pretty good communication tool. Plus I can give it to little kids to play with when I'm on a call. My son outgrew it and I "repurposed" it.
firedog03
03-26-2012, 18:33
heres a quick little trick that I found to work out well. I carry Zip-ties, and I know you can use them for everything, but a couple years ago, I had handcuffed a female behind her back, she didnt have a belt on, and her pants kept falling down, so i zip-tied the handcuffs to her back belt loop, kept her pants up... worked like a charm and I didnt have to see her nasty @$$.
It also works for someone that is known to slip cuffs from behind their back to the front..zip-tie the cuffs to there belt loop, and they wont be able to do that.(well not as easy anyway)
ca survivor
03-27-2012, 06:58
FWIW a diabetic that is talking to you and telling you they need sugar isn't as critically low as you might think and is more than capable of waiting 5-10 mins for medics to show up. Those who are critically low are going to be unresponsive or barely responsive and should not receive anything by mouth under any circumstances whatsoever as they cannot protect their airway.
when a diabetic is low on sugar it is CRITICAL you don't know how long it's been low, before help got there......
merlynusn
03-27-2012, 09:03
when a diabetic is low on sugar it is CRITICAL you don't know how long it's been low, before help got there......
But if you are acting outside your protocol, you're up the river. It doesn't matter how low it is. As a police officer, you are not an EMT or a certified first responder. If you haven't been trained in it, then you can be held personally liable for what happens with them. If you act within your training and protocols, you have qualified immunity and will be covered.
FiremanMike
03-27-2012, 09:18
when a diabetic is low on sugar it is CRITICAL you don't know how long it's been low, before help got there......
I'm not really sure why this was dug back up. My advise is based on my experience, if you chose to ignore it or disagree, that's your choice.
nitesite10mm
03-27-2012, 10:50
Chewable aspirin tablets I might need some my own damn self one day.
A Cold Steel sjambok kept in the trunk for keeping chomping dogs at bay. Face it, a Taser maybe won't get both darts in and anyway dogs don't recognize Tasers unless you successfully deploy them. Trust me... A sjambok effin works. Dogs know that it will seriously wound them and they stay back. I have one in my unit. Walk thru a chain link gate and face a territorial dog menace, show 'em the sjambok effectively, and tuck it under your arm. Problem solved for the most part.
The LOT of free BlueBell ice cream "take home" brown paper bags found hanging near the ice cream in the frozen aisle of a supermarket. They are three times thicker than regular brown paper bags, will hold a ton of weight, don't leak, can be written on, stand up vertically because of their flat base, and are multi-use. Best kept secret.
I keep a Sears Craftsman soft tool bag in which I keep accident investigation forms that are now out of print (helps me to not forget critical information while on scene) because now E-Crash is all electronic and the printing office stopped making paper forms. In that bag I also keep two bottles of water, a 150' measuring tape, Day-Glo orange spray paint, granola bars, bright colored grease pencils, a compass, and thick leather gloves. The bag is no larger than a shoe-box.
An unopened pack of cigarettes and a lighter. I don't smoke but offering a cigarette works wonders both on-scene and at the sallyport.
Wholeheartedly agree with the cheap dog leash for canines (I keep collars attached to the loop handle in two sizes) as well the leash makes a pretty decent hobble.
I bought my own 5-point tearaway ANSI-rated traffic vest w/ POLICE in reflectorized material all over it. I've worn it for entire shifts when working mostly traffic and I'm on a 4-lane highway with speed limits of 65-mph. I feel way more comfortable with it and it costs maybe $45 or so. If I get a 10-97 or other call it comes off in seconds and I am back into stealth ninja mode. :)
Chik-Fil-A honey packs, MIO water flavoring, Payday bars (they don't melt), a crowbar, a window-punch and seat belt cutter tool, at least one extra full-sized duty pistol to loan out with a full mag, a knit watch cap and two pair of warm gloves for assisting officers who show up in cold temps with nothing for their hands or noggins, gel-pad contractor grade knee pads (don't go there. I mean it), mosquito spray, a FrogTog rainsuit (ever crawled in an attic with exposed insulation?), Goody's Powder, extra socks and underwear, pens you can give out for witness's statements that you don't want back because of blood or other contaminants left on them, a full roll of quarters in the door pocket...
EXTRA keys for your patrol unit kept both on you and in the car.
A Kubotan. They are so much effin fun to surprise people with.
OK, how many of you are Googling "Cold Steel sjambok" right about now?
Goldendog Redux
03-27-2012, 13:33
OK, how many of you are Googling "Cold Steel sjambok" right about now?
I did and was subjected to a youtube video of a goateed man in little shorts swinging a whip a various fruits. Last time I saw that I was leaving a Dropkick Murphys show in the Tenderloin district of San Francisco
lawman800
03-27-2012, 21:15
A Cold Steel sjambok kept in the trunk for keeping chomping dogs at bay.
OK, how many of you are Googling "Cold Steel sjambok" right about now?
I'm telling you, we must be twins separated at birth. I had a Sjambok for years and even just whipping that thing to make the "whoosh" noise gets a dog's attention like... "huh?"
nitesite10mm
03-28-2012, 07:38
Hehehehhh~ I figured if anybody'd "get it" it would be you.
I actually own two sjamboks. One hangs on a hook out in the garage (at home) for stray dogs that wander onto the property. The other stays in the trunk of my unit. I've used the one in my unit many, many times and it has always been effective at keeping them at bay.
lawman800
03-28-2012, 09:20
We were talking about Sjamboks last weekend too when I was working out with my martial arts group. We were doing weapons practice and somebody brought it up.
One I haven't seen is a small jar of Vicks Vapor Rub. A little
smeared around the nostrils helps you stand a lot of the odors
we run into; dead bodies, drunks puking or deficating, etc. etc..
Never leave home wthout it.
Dano :harley:
FWIW a diabetic that is talking to you and telling you they need sugar isn't as critically low as you might think and is more than capable of waiting 5-10 mins for medics to show up. Those who are critically low are going to be unresponsive or barely responsive and should not receive anything by mouth under any circumstances whatsoever as they cannot protect their airway.
I carry Kool-aid jammers for that same reason. It's liquid so if they go un-con they'll either swallow or cough it out.
rmiller4292
03-28-2012, 22:12
When I was on patrol, I always carried a can of rubbing compound and a soft rag...my dept is super anal about you bumping into things with with your patrol vehicle....I got busted for it once at an inspection, but lo and behold my Sgt. Called and wanted to meet up...seems he needed to borrow said compound!
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One I haven't seen is a small jar of Vicks Vapor Rub. A little
smeared around the nostrils helps you stand a lot of the odors
we run into; dead bodies, drunks puking or deficating, etc. etc..
Never leave home wthout it.
Dano :harley:
this is one thing I will actually take away from this thread. as a rookie with an incredible sense of smell this will be very useful.
socalchuckster
03-29-2012, 17:07
this is one thing I will actually take away from this thread. as a rookie with an incredible sense of smell this will be very useful.
Dead people smell like roses compared to a rancid case of tweaker foot lol
lawman800
03-29-2012, 17:37
this is one thing I will actually take away from this thread. as a rookie with an incredible sense of smell this will be very useful.
Vick's might block the smell of a body for a bit but you will still smell it and you will continue to smell it for days. Death has a smell that lingers.
Ohio Copper
03-30-2012, 23:46
Vick's might block the smell of a body for a bit but you will still smell it and you will continue to smell it for days. Death has a smell that lingers.
You know it's been a bad night when your uniform goes home with you in a paper evidence bag. :whistling:
lawman800
03-31-2012, 00:01
Never had that happen... but I will take your word for it.
Ohio Copper
03-31-2012, 00:16
I musta been the only one...I didn't want the funk getting on my car seats. I woulda burned them if they weren't so expensive!
lawman800
03-31-2012, 00:17
Can't you get your work to replace them if they were that bad? I would put in a claim to get new uniforms issued. Just make the brass smell it.
Can't you get your work to replace them if they were that bad? I would put in a claim to get new uniforms issued. Just make the brass smell it.
Concerning bad stinky uniform from corpses: Oxyclean is great for da funk. Vinegar, or baking soda work pretty well too. I have heard that gasoline may help, but it is a EPA violation to use gasoline for laundry.
OMEGA5 One I haven't seen is a small jar of Vicks Vapor Rub. A little
smeared around the nostrils helps you stand a lot of the odors
we run into; dead bodies, drunks puking or deficating, etc. etc..
Never leave home wthout it.
Dano
I take that stuff in my bag to work with me everyday. Seg units can be stinkers at times, especially with some deranged inmate using fecal material as an art medium.:whistling:
lawman800
03-31-2012, 00:33
Concerning bad stinky uniform from corpses: Oxyclean is great for da funk. Vinegar, or baking soda work pretty well too. I have heard that gasoline may help, but it is a EPA violation to use gasoline for laundry.
I would just set the thing on fire if I poured gas on a corpse smelling uniform.:whistling:
I take that stuff in my bag to work with me everyday. Seg units can be stinkers at times, especially with some deranged inmate using fecal material as an art medium.:whistling:
Gives new meaning to "You call that art? It ****ing stinks!":supergrin:
I would just set the thing on fire if I poured gas on a corpse smelling uniform.:whistling:
Gives new meaning to "You call that art? It ****ing stinks!":supergrin:
Yeppers.:ack::supergrin:
Ohio Copper
03-31-2012, 00:51
I think it was just the smell had set in from processing the scene for so long. Just didn't wanna drive home in it so I tossed it in the bag. Oxyclean is a miracle worker when it comes to cleaning uniforms etc. it was good after one heavy soil cycle with an extra rinse!
Sent from my Calculator.
blueiron
03-31-2012, 02:11
I tried Vicks, but switched to cigars back in the day at the recommendation of a retired homicide detective. A summer decomp can get to the point where you can almost taste the stench. The cigars took that away and covered over the smell.
Unfortunately, smoking a stogie is probably a firing offense now days.
lawman800
03-31-2012, 11:04
I agree, a good cigar hides a lot of smells... mainly because its own smell is so strong.
I had a car share partner back in the late '80's that had a foot locker in the trunk of our unit. Among the many other things he carried in there was a complete set of phone books for Houston to include the yellow pages. They came in handy a couple of times. This was before cell phones and the Internet for you younger guys.
Steve
I had a car share partner back in the late '80's that had a foot locker in the trunk of our unit. Among the many other things he carried in there was a complete set of phone books for Houston to include the yellow pages. They came in handy a couple of times. This was before cell phones and the Internet for you younger guys.
Steve
Yeah, those were the days. Travelers checks; money orders; someone's goober on a handset of a pay phone. I'm old enough to remember, and not to miss it.:)
But, I do miss some of the values that some of the older folk held dear. It seems to be less common in some places. That is one thing I like about the KC area. People still hold open doors for other people. But, I digress.
Yeah, those were the days. Travelers checks; money orders; someone's goober on a handset of a pay phone. I'm old enough to remember, and not to miss it.:)
But, I do miss some of the values that some of the older folk held dear. It seems to be less common in some places. That is one thing I like about the KC area. People still hold open doors for other people. But, I digress.
I only used pay phones if there was no way I could get to a friendly convenience store and use theirs. When I had to there was usually a paper towel in between my skin and the pay phone.
:supergrin:
Steve
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