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05DodgeDakota
03-23-2012, 00:19
Just curious as to what SHTF senario you believe to be most plausible/the main reason you prepare. My prep compared to many is very minimal but the S that I am most concerned will HTF is Natural Disaters (katrina), and large scale social unrest (oakland riots, recent political riots overseas).

kirgi08
03-23-2012, 01:10
Social/Economic.'08.

SGT HATRED
03-23-2012, 01:48
Hordes of "zombies" when the government checks stop coming.

jeager
03-23-2012, 01:56
President losing re-election.
President winning re-election.

Syclone538
03-23-2012, 02:23
Social/Economic.'08.

+1

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1401523
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1387763

TangoFoxtrot
03-23-2012, 04:26
* Social and economic unrest.
* Oil shortages and excelerated prices.
* Natural or stellar event.

NDCent
03-23-2012, 04:52
I live near the New Madrid fault and tornado alley, followed by social/economic reasons.

In the last few years our county had a severe ice storm that took out power for days/weeks depending on your location, and (2) 100 year floods. In the past 20 years we've had (3) 100 year floods... I believe they need to redo some stats.

series1811
03-23-2012, 06:16
See Katrina and New Orleans, and what happened when social services stop for a few days, and then imagine them stopping for a few weeks.

jason10mm
03-23-2012, 07:30
I agree, a widescale natural disaster seems to be the most likely (as in, it happens ALL THE TIME). Lots of folks just don't realize how dependent they are on trucking and open roads. A severe ice storm, a hurricane punch, or an earthquake and they could be effectively cut off for days/weeks. Will folks starve, maybe not. But if you have the capability of riding it out in your house or hotel instead of being in a gov't shelter, why would you NOT plan accordingly?

I'm not that concerned about nuclear strikes or meteors from space. Rioting/social collapse is a concern but I'm not sure that stuff would spread very far from the denser urban areas. An increase in general chaos (more nighttime burglaries, assaults, etc) is a concern, and probably the one area all this firearms training will show a tangible benefit.

But then, I work for the gov't, so I have a reasonable expectation of having to report for duty and be supplied with some level of rations for me and my family(maybe). I don't really have the "turtle up" mindset.

wtf0ver
03-23-2012, 07:43
all of the various scenarios whether its natural disasters or man made all will basically result in social unrest/economic collapse in my opinion.

sebecman
03-23-2012, 07:46
Corn poo

cowboy1964
03-23-2012, 08:11
Economic collapse and pandemic are the most probable.

The really scary ones are EMPs, nukes, and extraterrestrial events (asteroids, comets, gamma ray burst) but they are much less likely.

cowboy1964
03-23-2012, 08:13
See Katrina and New Orleans, and what happened when social services stop for a few days, and then imagine them stopping for a few weeks.

Not to mention that if you traveled literally just a few dozen miles in any direction you were out of the zone and everything was normal.

quake
03-23-2012, 09:06
Most common in my area is weather problems (tornadoes & ice storms mostly), but short of a direct hit from a tornado, any weather-induced 'shtf' hit is fairly easy to deal with; so it's not the most worrisome to me.

Most worrisome to me personally is economic problems a la Argentina, Greece, etc.

emt1581
03-23-2012, 10:04
I agree with those who say financial disasters. And I've got quite a lengthy thread showing the concerns people have for what will happen to society if the checks stop.

Isn't it interesting how low the concern is about terrorism compared to the economy?? This could be for a few reasons but I'm thinking a big one is because of how long we have gone without an attack here on US soil combined with the plethora of stopped attacked smeared all over the media. Time to listen to some Darryl Worley folks. Have You Forgotten?

-Emt1581

matt_lowry123
03-23-2012, 12:24
Hordes of "zombies" when the government checks stop coming.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

mac66
03-23-2012, 17:06
Couple things that concerns me.

First is the escalation of the "have vs. have not" rhetoric. I think this country is really being divided by the political "progressive' rhetoric by the left, including our president and by reactionary rhetoric by the far right. It is scary to see the toehold hard core socialism has taken since Obama has been in power. Active protests against wall street and business; More and more talk about limiting freedom of speech. Celebrities coming out of the closet proclaiming themselves socialists; the media openly embracing socialism and censoring the right. It is getting scary. I think in another 4 years, if Obama is re-elected it will be tough to turn back the tide. This of course means some type of cultural confrontation is brewing.

The other thing is a "black swan" event. A "black swan" is something completely out of the blue that we can't conceptualize until it happens. It could be a nuke attack but from a direction we don't expect. Might be a terrorist attack or natural disaster we haven't thought of. It might be something like an attempted coup-De-tat in the US. What ever it is, we won't be expecting it and it will be devastating.

quake
03-23-2012, 17:16
...It is getting scary. I think in another 4 years, if Obama is re-elected it will be tough to turn back the tide. This of course means some type of cultural confrontation is brewing...
A thing that scares me is an Obama in the white house that doesn't have to care about re-election. Right now, he's at least making somewhat of an effort to hide his real beliefs & agenda.

Imagine if he had a free rein ("reign" may be more correct), being in a position of no longer having to worry about an upcoming election cycle.

Bolster
03-23-2012, 17:35
Here in So Cal, earthquake is the traditional worry.

But water is also a persistent worry...most all of ours is shipped in from No Calif. If electricity goes out, many of the pumping stations will go, too.

And in Los A, we're also concerned about a terror strike, either on LAX, or at the Los Angeles harbor.

Of course, we also have a grand tradition of racial riots breaking out along the 110 freeway. (See post #4 above.)

So there's plenty to worry about, and prep for. With everything on our plate, it's nice we don't have to worry about weather much.

And then there's this, which bears repeating:


First is the escalation of the "have vs. have not" rhetoric. I think this country is really being divided by the political "progressive' rhetoric by the left, including our president and by reactionary rhetoric by the far right. It is scary to see the toehold hard core socialism has taken since Obama has been in power. Active protests against wall street and business; More and more talk about limiting freedom of speech. Celebrities coming out of the closet proclaiming themselves socialists; the media openly embracing socialism and censoring the right. It is getting scary. I think in another 4 years, if Obama is re-elected it will be tough to turn back the tide. This of course means some type of cultural confrontation is brewing.

glock_collector
03-23-2012, 18:36
I have alot of kittens saves in my freezer to help the big feets survive along with my family. Chicken rice a roni anyone?

inzone
03-23-2012, 19:01
I see a radiological(dirty) bomb attack simultaneously in a dozen US cities and simultaneous economic collapse.They will hit us hardest when we are down.

Brianharless13
03-23-2012, 19:03
Couple things that concerns me.

First is the escalation of the "have vs. have not" rhetoric. I think this country is really being divided by the political "progressive' rhetoric by the left, including our president and by reactionary rhetoric by the far right. It is scary to see the toehold hard core socialism has taken since Obama has been in power. Active protests against wall street and business; More and more talk about limiting freedom of speech. Celebrities coming out of the closet proclaiming themselves socialists; the media openly embracing socialism and censoring the right. It is getting scary. I think in another 4 years, if Obama is re-elected it will be tough to turn back the tide. This of course means some type of cultural confrontation is brewing.

The other thing is a "black swan" event. A "black swan" is something completely out of the blue that we can't conceptualize until it happens. It could be a nuke attack but from a direction we don't expect. Might be a terrorist attack or natural disaster we haven't thought of. It might be something like an attempted coup-De-tat in the US. What ever it is, we won't be expecting it and it will be devastating.

I happen to agree with you completely on this. We ar not going to know what happens until it happens. It is best to be prepared for a variety of scenarios but be realistic. Zombies are out of the question. Aliens too, with the exception of illegals.
The weather is all over the place this year and as a spotter, has me quite concerned. Tornados are starting early this year after one of the most mild winters that I have seen in Indiana.
Just have to hang in there and see what happens.

bdcochran
03-23-2012, 19:59
1. Mayor Antonio Villaragosa being elected to another office.
2. People continuing to vote on the bases of promises of a job, hope, and a place in the lifeboat.
3. People voting for candidates on the basis of race instead of competence.
4. What Mac66 said

series1811
03-24-2012, 04:41
Not to mention that if you traveled literally just a few dozen miles in any direction you were out of the zone and everything was normal.

I was in Mississippi (which was hit ten times worse than New Orleans) and New Orleans, and the difference was startling. The wind had barely stopped blowing, and people in Mississippi were starting to clean up and rebuild.

One funny story. There was a funny picture in the paper of an old guy who was trying to get a tree out of his yard when a young guy in a pick up truck stopped and got out with a chainsaw and helped him cut it up and stack it. He took a picture of himself with the guy and showed it to his daughter later, who recognized the guy with the chainsaw as one of the members from the rock band, Three Doors Down, who lived nearby. :)

But, New Orleans was really bad. A couple of years ago, my former boss was reminiscing about those days and said, "I don't think people from other places will ever be ready to hear the truth about just how bad things really got." I agree.

Imagine dead bodies lying (or floating) in the street of a major American city, and not being picked up for three weeks, being eaten on my dogs, who had to be shot to get them to stop, because they were so hungry.

Once you have actually seen civilization completely fail, you never will believe it can't happen again.

Sgt. Rambo
03-24-2012, 08:31
I think with the head lines over the last two days, a race riot/war maybe on the horizion. Unfortunately it will have little to do with race and rather a criminal mentality vs peaceful folk, or as commented above, the "Haves vs the Have nots" OR the Workers vs the Non Workers... you classify it how you want. Keep those GHBs and BOBs packed!!!

emt1581
03-24-2012, 08:56
I think with the head lines over the last two days, a race riot/war maybe on the horizion. Unfortunately it will have little to do with race and rather a criminal mentality vs peaceful folk, or as commented above, the "Haves vs the Have nots" OR the Workers vs the Non Workers... you classify it how you want. Keep those GHBs and BOBs packed!!!

Can you imagine the look of shear panic on the puke's faces when the have nots with the criminal mentality discover that the haves who are otherwise peaceful have a rack of guns in their basement and are deadly shots with them??

Who was it that said that an armed society is a polite society? I do believe it was Ben Franklin but could be mistaken.

Just from my experience in working with them I know it to be true. I've talked to guys that were armed and in the process of committing a home invasion, but once they discovered the home owner was armed and waiting for them they bolted.

-Emt1581

Kasinefect
03-24-2012, 09:06
I happen to agree with you completely on this. We ar not going to know what happens until it happens. It is best to be prepared for a variety of scenarios but be realistic. Zombies are out of the question. Aliens too, with the exception of illegals.
The weather is all over the place this year and as a spotter, has me quite concerned. Tornados are starting early this year after one of the most mild winters that I have seen in Indiana.
Just have to hang in there and see what happens.

"Zombies" are simply a metaphor for things we cannot neccessaraily post-I doubt many people seriosly are worried about the walking dead regardless of how much we talk about it. Just in case though I will continue to practice head shots.

emt1581
03-24-2012, 09:38
"Zombies" are simply a metaphor for things we cannot neccessaraily post-I doubt many people seriosly are worried about the walking dead regardless of how much we talk about it. Just in case though I will continue to practice head shots.

Things we cannot post about?? No...

I can say "hords of have not entitlement class ghetto dwellers"... "zombies" is just an easier way to say it. :wavey:

-Emt1581

mac66
03-24-2012, 12:52
I re-read my original post and I kind of sound like one of those paranoid anti-government nuts. I am not. I am also not one of those gloom and doomers. I don't think the world will end or that we face eminent financial shutdown. I do think people are starting to choose sides based on the way the media is reporting and the way this administration is being run. The great society of the 1960's, i.e, the culture of entitlement, i.e, socialism is well implanted into our society. Even the corporations are in on it.

As this mentality becomes the norm, those resisting it become the outcasts and as such become subject to whims of big brother. Except that everyone on both sides are well armed. Something has got to give. I am concerned that it will be more than just a culture war.

nightwolf1974
03-24-2012, 17:19
Ok, first my strategy is geared towards...a "Black Swan" event,extreme/crippling weather conditions, social and economic unrest, and pandemic outbreaks.





NOW...

"Zombies" are simply a metaphor for things we cannot neccessaraily post-I doubt many people seriosly are worried about the walking dead regardless of how much we talk about it. Just in case though I will continue to practice head shots.

My idea about zombies... Although I'm a hardcore horror fan, the idea of reanimated corpses getting up and eating brains is a little obsurd. HOWEVER, zombies (in my opinion) would be a good metaphor for masses of infected people seeking shelter, food, and treatment. Which would be just as bad as the WALKING DEAD. :wow:

quake
03-24-2012, 18:52
...zombies (in my opinion) would be a good metaphor for masses of infected people seeking shelter, food, and treatment. Which would be just as bad as the WALKING DEAD. :wow:
Fwiw, for many here that list: "...seeking shelter, food, and treatment" would include "seeking, or reacting to, suddenly-stopped govt checks."

Whether those checks are welfare, pensions, whatever, the effect of their sudden disappearance - on large groups especially - could be very bad juju. "Large, irrational groups with malevolent intent" often come to equal 'zombies' metaphorically.

Real zombie hordes, not worried about at all. Social 'zombie' hordes concern me somewhat more; and would concern me greatly if I were in or near a large city.

Sgt. Rambo
03-25-2012, 06:09
I could take you to several spots in two North East cities right now that have literal hoardes of people living in and under railroad property that look, walk, and talk like zombies. It is bizarre. Most are serious drug addicts and mentally ill that have chosen their life situation or fallen through the cracks of the mental health facility but you will not find anything closer to a zombie then them. Sad and scary at the same time.

TangoFoxtrot
03-25-2012, 06:28
See Katrina and New Orleans, and what happened when social services stop for a few days, and then imagine them stopping for a few weeks.

Your right! You seen how local, state and the feds were slow in the gate to react. Rename New Orleans..New Haite and help will be pouring in within the hour next time. That is why it is important to be prepared and help yourself. We only pay taxes here in the U.S. and its more important to help other countries in need first.