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chevy01234
03-23-2012, 22:15
With my Enhanced Permit in Mississippi, I cannot carry in very few places. They are MHP station/Sheriff's Office/Police Dept, Jail/Correctional Facility, Courtroom Proceeding, Federal Buildings, and "Places of Nuisance"

I have had my enhanced permit since December and have often wondered what states have similar "restrictions" as our enhanced permit?


This is an "upgraded" permit of sorts, any other states have those?







Per HB 506 found here:
http://billstatus.ls.sta.../0500-0599/HB0506SG.pdf

A person licensed under Section 45-9-101 to carry a concealed pistol, who has voluntarily completed an instructional course in the safe handling and use of firearms offered by an instructor certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or by any other organization approved by the Department of Public Safety, shall also be authorized to carry weapons in courthouses except in courtrooms during a judicial proceeding, and any location listed in subsection (13) of Section 45-9-101, except any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1, any police, sheriff or highway patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail. The department shall promulgate rules and regulations allowing concealed pistol permit holders to obtain an endorsement on their permit indicating that they have completed the aforementioned course and have the authority to carry in these locations.


Places of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1 found here:
http://www.mscode.com/fr...tatutes/95/003/0001.htm

c. "Nuisance" shall mean any place as above defined in or upon which lewdness, assignation or prostitution is conducted, permitted, continued or exists or any other place as above defined in or upon which a controlled substance as defined in section 41-29-105, Mississippi Code of 1972, is unlawfully used, possessed, sold or delivered and the personal property and contents used in conducting or maintaining any such place for any such purpose. One single act of unlawful cohabitation, lewdness or possession, use, sale or delivery of a controlled substance about such property shall not come within the terms hereof.


With the "Regular" permit, you are restricted as follows:

http://www.dps.state.ms.us/dps/dps.nsf/webpages/firearms_carrylaw?OpenDocument
(13)
No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed pistol or revolver into any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1,Mississippi Code of 1972; any police, sheriff or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his courtroom; any polling place; any meeting place of the governing body of any governmental entity; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any public park unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any portion of an establishment, licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, that is primarily devoted to dispensing alcoholic beverages; any portion of an establishment in which beer or light wine is consumed on the premises, that is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any junior college, community college, college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; inside the passenger terminal of any airport, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal if the firearm is encased for shipment ,for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; any church or other place of worship; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. In addition to the places enumerated in this subsection, the carrying of a concealed pistol or revolver may be disallowed in anyplace in the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that the "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited." No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize the participants in a parade or demonstration for which a permit is required to carry a concealed pistol or revolver.

HarleyGuy
03-23-2012, 22:37
What training requirements are required to obtain this enhanced license/permit?

Such a bill is being discussed in Michigan.

Currently, certain groups of people, retired cops, judges and P.I's can apply for an receive an "exempt" status on their CPL but not so for the average guy or woman.

chevy01234
03-23-2012, 22:44
It was an 8hr + range time course on a Saturday.

NRA Basic Handgun + a couple hours on the actual laws was the classwork then we went to the range for a very basic 40 round shooting qualification.

It was not a super intensive course by any means. I enjoyed it and am looking forward to taking a few more classes in the near future. After the Qualifications at the range, the instructor set up some "fun stuff" for us to shoot as he is big into IPSC/USPSA.

I am interested to hear what Michigan comes up with! I was up there working for 2+ months last year!

chevy01234
03-24-2012, 10:08
Anyone else?

IndyGunFreak
03-24-2012, 11:00
Our permits here in Indiana have so few limitations, you'd really have to go to Constitutional carry to really improve our carry laws.

chevy01234
03-24-2012, 13:05
What locations are off limits to carry in Indiana? Y'all can get them at 18 right?

IndyGunFreak
03-24-2012, 14:49
What locations are off limits to carry in Indiana? Y'all can get them at 18 right?

Yup.... Pretty much jails, prisons, courts, schools and airports.

The Good:
Solid state preemption law,
Signs have no force of law (you have to be asked to leave by the property owner/mgr.)
permits can be acquired at 18,
you have the option of either a 5yr permit for $35, or a Lifetime permit for $100
no training required
solid "Stand Your Ground" law,\
employers cannot prohibit guns in your vehicle on company property.
Even with our big city PD's, I've had almost 100% positive interactions w/ Officers when guns were involved (traffic stops, accidents, etc.).

The "Bad" (really only two I can think of):
No form of "permitless" carry. Here, a permit is required to conceal or open carry. Fortunately, our permits are very easy to get.

There's also no option for having a firearm in a vehicle
Technically, you need a permit to even transport a firearm after it's point of sale, unless it's to a place of repair (I've never heard of anyone getting ran up on this, but the law's wording is strange and there's been efforts to change it).

It's almost a gun owners utopia here in Indiana.

IGF

possum_128
03-24-2012, 16:49
"There's also no option for having a firearm in a vehicle
Technically, you need a permit to even transport a firearm after it's point of sale, unless it's to a place of repair (I've never heard of anyone getting ran up on this, but the law's wording is strange and there's been efforts to change it)."

Incorrect. This law was passed last year, see below.


IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without a license or by a person convicted of domestic battery; exceptions
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (c), a person may carry a handgun without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun if:
(1) the person carries the handgun on or about the person's body in or on property that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by the person;
(2) the person carries the handgun on or about the person's body while lawfully present in or on property that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by another person, if the person:
(A) has the consent of the owner, renter, lessor, or person who legally controls the property to have the handgun on the premises;
(B) is attending a firearms related event on the property, including a gun show, firearms expo, gun owner's club or convention, hunting club, shooting club, or training course; or
(C) the person is on the property to receive firearms related services, including the repair, maintenance, or modification of a firearm;
(3) the person carries the handgun in a vehicle that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by the person, if the handgun is:
(A) unloaded;
(B) not readily accessible; and
(C) secured in a case;
(4) the person carries the handgun while lawfully present in a vehicle that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by another person, if the handgun is:
(A) unloaded;
(B) not readily accessible; and
(C) secured in a case; or
(5) the person carries the handgun:


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(A) at a shooting range (as defined in IC 14-22-31.5-3);
(B) while attending a firearms instructional course; or
(C) while engaged in a legal hunting activity.

IndyGunFreak
03-24-2012, 16:57
"There's also no option for having a firearm in a vehicle
Technically, you need a permit to even transport a firearm after it's point of sale, unless it's to a place of repair (I've never heard of anyone getting ran up on this, but the law's wording is strange and there's been efforts to change it)."

Incorrect. This law was passed last year, see below.


IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without a license or by a person convicted of domestic battery; exceptions
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (c), a person may carry a handgun without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun if:
(1) the person carries the handgun on or about the person's body in or on property that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by the person;
(2) the person carries the handgun on or about the person's body while lawfully present in or on property that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by another person, if the person:
(A) has the consent of the owner, renter, lessor, or person who legally controls the property to have the handgun on the premises;
(B) is attending a firearms related event on the property, including a gun show, firearms expo, gun owner's club or convention, hunting club, shooting club, or training course; or
(C) the person is on the property to receive firearms related services, including the repair, maintenance, or modification of a firearm;
(3) the person carries the handgun in a vehicle that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by the person, if the handgun is:
(A) unloaded;
(B) not readily accessible; and
(C) secured in a case;
(4) the person carries the handgun while lawfully present in a vehicle that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by another person, if the handgun is:
(A) unloaded;
(B) not readily accessible; and
(C) secured in a case; or
(5) the person carries the handgun:


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(A) at a shooting range (as defined in IC 14-22-31.5-3);
(B) while attending a firearms instructional course; or
(C) while engaged in a legal hunting activity.


I thought I remembered something about this passing, but couldn't find a reference. I thought I was just mistaken.

So from the sounds of it, so long as it is unloaded and in a case, it's fine (assuming you don't have a CCW).

Thanks!

chevy01234
03-24-2012, 17:50
Nice! Got to love states that have good gun laws!

chevy01234
03-25-2012, 19:41
So is it safe to say, there are not many other states with "good" CCW laws like Mississippi? I mean, with the enhanced permit of course, there are very few places we are not allowed to carry?

I see all the time other states boasting their state has the best CCW laws?














(Yes this is an attempt to "bait" a response, come on folks! Appease my curiosity please)

glockurai
03-25-2012, 19:52
Florida is one of the best states for ccw IMO. Even though Stand Your Ground is being scrutinized because of the shooting in Sanford.

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Louisville Glocker
03-25-2012, 20:05
Here is a great site that tells you the laws for each state, including updates : http://handgunlaw.us/

Enjoy.

p.s. I carry in Kentucky and Indiana, and fortunately the laws are similar. Courthouses, schools, daycare facilities are all banned from carrying. Police stations too. And alcohol establishments. (I don't drink, so haven't paid as much attention to that aspect, but I couldn't go hang at a place where alcohol is the main item sold). And the no guns signs don't make it illegal, it just means you could be subjected to trespass charge if the owner asks you to leave and you don't.

Anyway, check out the site before you go to a state.

Warp
03-25-2012, 20:26
Our permits here in Indiana have so few limitations, you'd really have to go to Constitutional carry to really improve our carry laws.

Right you are.

It's fantastic in Indiana.

rockapede
03-26-2012, 06:43
***disregard****

xmanhockey7
03-26-2012, 07:46
Is there no training in Mississippi already. It looks the to get the enhanced (maybe I read it wrong) you just need to do a basic NRA class. That's what required here (Michigan) to get the permit. Under the proposed law you have to take that class plus another NRA class to be exempt from the concealed pistol free zones. I'm wondering if more states start to do this sort of thing if they'll reciprocate the exemptions.

chevy01234
03-26-2012, 09:57
No formal training required for our "regular" permit. Mississippi is a shall issue state as well. To get the enhanced permit, you have to take a class.

I lived in Battle Creek last year for a couple months while I was working. I didn't get to Kzoo but a few times. We would go out to eat over there occasionally on the weekends and I got drug to "Angel's" one night for a co-workers birthday ha!

It sure would be nice if more states did enhanced permits and had reciprocity among themselves! I'm rooting for you Michiganders, hope y'all get the enhanced deal passed!

bear62
03-26-2012, 10:45
As far as I know Colorado doesn't have "enhanced" permits. All in all CO is a good gun state.........:wavey:

RockyMtnG20
04-04-2012, 01:38
As far as I know Colorado doesn't have "enhanced" permits. All in all CO is a good gun state.........:wavey:

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010

http://www.rmgo.org/gun-law-faqs

Don't quote me, but this is how I remember it:

-Colorado is a "Shall Issue" state.
-Open carry without a permit is allowed, but is complicated
-CCW is for pistols & revolvers only, all long guns must be unloaded when transported in cars or on any moving vehicles including ATV's & Snowmobiles. No hunting allowed from a snowmobile.
-No Enhanced Permits, you either have a permit to carry or not, law enforcement have separate provisions.
-21yrs of age to get CCW & 21 yrs reciprocal state permits
-CCW Requires classroom training & 50 round range session.
-In car, unloaded or loaded & ready to go is permitted even to Nonresidents & without a permit because it is considered an extension of your home and carrying in your car is not considered to be CCW.
-not permitted to conceal on person from car to residence, hotel room, etc.. without a permit.
-Signs posted at the door to a business are legal means to stop people from CCW'ing on their property. Very few do this.
-Legal to carry in a bar as long as you have zero alcohol in your system.
- A permit issued does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law (http://www.rmgo.org/concealed-carry-guide). but you can leave it in your locked car in the parking lot, (on school grounds anyway).
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birdie
04-04-2012, 09:52
Actually for CO you don't require any range time, not something I agree with, I am an Instructor and in all our classes we include range time. But the law does allow you to attend a class without range time and it meets the CO training requirement.

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RockyMtnG20
04-05-2012, 01:34
Actually for CO you don't require any range time, not something I agree with, I am an Instructor and in all our classes we include range time. But the law does allow you to attend a class without range time and it meets the CO training requirement.

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I feel the same way you do that it should include range time. The class I took did include range time. There were people in my class that had just bought their first pistol days before the class & were firing it for the first time in the class. In fact the guy to my left and gal to my right were both in this boat.

I did my firing as quick as I could so I could watch them & keep them safe. The gal had bought a Taurus TCP .380 & shot the dirt 5 feet out and the awning overhead! The guy bought one of those cheap brick of a pistol called Hi Point. He had a hard time cycling the slide back and would point it to his left down the line of shooters with his arthritic finger naturally ending up on the trigger. He did this at least three times & I kept having to point it down range for him.

Having been a shooter for many years before moving here where I could get my CCW, I couldn't believe people were getting their CCW the day they first fired a pistol.

Dooger
04-05-2012, 08:35
MI, w/o an "Exempt" license. The new law would wipe a lot of these PFZ off the list with a bit of training:

Pistol Free Areas

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:


Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino


"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.



A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:


First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked

Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."



For the OP, I'd like to see where you can't carry w/o the "enhanced" license. Seems like you have more restraint compared to MI>

chevy01234
04-06-2012, 10:28
MI, w/o an "Exempt" license. The new law would wipe a lot of these PFZ off the list with a bit of training:

Pistol Free Areas

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:


Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino


"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.



A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:


First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked

Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."



For the OP, I'd like to see where you can't carry w/o the "enhanced" license. Seems like you have more restraint compared to MI>



With the "Regular" permit, you are restricted as follows (last paragraph of my first post):

http://www.dps.state.ms.us/dps/dps.n...w?OpenDocument
(13)
No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed pistol or revolver into any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1,Mississippi Code of 1972; any police, sheriff or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his courtroom; any polling place; any meeting place of the governing body of any governmental entity; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any public park unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any portion of an establishment, licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, that is primarily devoted to dispensing alcoholic beverages; any portion of an establishment in which beer or light wine is consumed on the premises, that is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any junior college, community college, college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; inside the passenger terminal of any airport, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal if the firearm is encased for shipment ,for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; any church or other place of worship; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. In addition to the places enumerated in this subsection, the carrying of a concealed pistol or revolver may be disallowed in anyplace in the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that the "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited." No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize the participants in a parade or demonstration for which a permit is required to carry a concealed pistol or revolver.

Similar to MI with just a regular permit but with my Enhanced permit, I can carry pretty much wherever I want that I normally go on a day to day basis. I hope Michigan passes the exempt license too! It sure makes it nice not having to disarm at all throughout normal day to day life.