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random southpaw
03-24-2012, 18:30
Just this week, I have enjoyed two good chats with some folks who enjoy shooting. However, I was a bit surprised to learn that neither of them has gotten their permit to carry concealed.

With the surging growth in the number of people that are choosing to get their permit, this took me off guard.

I just wanted to ask if this is reflected in your experiences also, or if you are seeing more folks get their permits.

HKLovingIT
03-24-2012, 18:45
I would think the majority of people who own guns do not have a permit.

Of those who do, it would be interesting to know those who carry always, sometimes, never, never carry but lie and say they always do, and those who are 5' 3", 145 lbs and appendix carry a G20 in just basketball shorts and a white t-shirt. :whistling::wavey::dunno:

All kidding aside, I never ask people about it. I know a couple close friends that I shoot with who carry but otherwise, the first rule of fight club...

I will add that I did not originally intend to carry. I got my license because we have a law that you can only transport the unloaded handgun to and from the range, place of hunting or to and from a store or place of repair. Point A to Point B. I got my permit just so I wouldn't be in violation for stopping for a burger on the way back from shooting or any nonsense about my handgun not being far enough away from my ammo can in the cargo area. Later on I started to carry.

racer88
03-24-2012, 18:58
I agree... I would bet most gun owners do not carry concealed... EVER. Of those that DO carry, I'd bet most do not carry full time, but rather "when they think they need to." Then there's the rest of us. :)

chevy01234
03-24-2012, 19:11
I agree... I would bet most gun owners do not carry concealed... EVER. Of those that DO carry, I'd bet most do not carry full time, but rather "when they think they need to." Then there's the rest of us. :)

That is what I have noticed with folks a lot down here too. I am one of those "full time" guys though! I don't have many places I can't carry legally under my permit, those places I avoid like the plague anyways! I haven't had to "disarm" during day to day life except once since December and that was to mail a package at the post office.

kensteele
03-24-2012, 19:14
I've been shooting gun at the range for a lot longer than I've CCW. And that includes most of my adult life. Never really crossed my mind while I enjoyed shooting at the range. It was probably after I stopped enjoying shooting at the local ranges.....

HarleyGuy
03-24-2012, 20:33
As hard as it is for some of us to believe, some folks choose not to obtain a carry license and I support their right to choose 100%.
Let's face it, somefolks just don't want the responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm, and in some cases it definitely changes your lifestyle.

TBO
03-24-2012, 20:43
In MN a permit to carry is also a permit to acquire (buy) a handgun.
A permit to acquire a handgun is only good for one year. A permit to carry is good for 5 years.

I know folks who get a permit to acquire a handgun every year, but have never considered getting a permit to carry.

I point out to them it's more cost effective to get a permit to carry as it's both good for 5 years and cheaper over 5 years than getting a permit to acquire every year.

Several have gotten carry permits based upon this advice.

I figure having more people with permits is a good thing, and there's more than one way to skin a cat.

bigcountry31987
03-24-2012, 20:46
I would think the majority of people who own guns do not have a permit.

Of those who do, it would be interesting to know those who carry always, sometimes, never, never carry but lie and say they always do, and those who are 5' 3", 145 lbs and appendix carry a G20 in just basketball shorts and a white t-shirt. :whistling::wavey::dunno:

All kidding aside, I never ask people about it. I know a couple close friends that I shoot with who carry but otherwise, the first rule of fight club...

I will add that I did not originally intend to carry. I got my license because we have a law that you can only transport the unloaded handgun to and from the range, place of hunting or to and from a store or place of repair. Point A to Point B. I got my permit just so I wouldn't be in violation for stopping for a burger on the way back from shooting or any nonsense about my handgun not being far enough away from my ammo can in the cargo area. Later on I started to carry.

Sounds like Maryland laws.....if so how did you get your carry permit I hear its next to impossible to get one in Maryland

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HKLovingIT
03-24-2012, 21:20
Sounds like Maryland laws.....if so how did you get your carry permit I hear its next to impossible to get one in Maryland

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I don't live there. :supergrin: :wavey:

I went to my local state rep's office. The sherrif has a deputy go there on certain nights to assist the citizens with getting their permit. I filled out the form, showed ID, he took my picture and my fees. Two weeks later he called and said I could drop by to pick it up.

We just have a couple annoying laws like the one I noted above.

Adjuster
03-25-2012, 11:29
I know handfuls of avid hunters with the best of the best firearms that don't have a permit to carry and would never even consider it.



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slickt0mmy
03-25-2012, 11:42
My girlfriend loves shooting (and using up all my ammo!!) but she has no interest in carrying. I'm still working on her though. :tongueout:

Brucev
03-25-2012, 12:57
Just this week, I have enjoyed two good chats with some folks who enjoy shooting. However, I was a bit surprised to learn that neither of them has gotten their permit to carry concealed.

With the surging growth in the number of people that are choosing to get their permit, this took me off guard.

I just wanted to ask if this is reflected in your experiences also, or if you are seeing more folks get their permits.

I have owned and used a wide variety of firearms for over 30 years. I have not ever and do not now carry a cw. The current noise over cc is in my opinion hype pure and simple. For some, it simply reflects their own Chicken Little view of life. For some, it helps them deal with their "gadgetis." The vast majority who buy cc handguns do not have any training, etc. It would be surprising if they even continue to cc, once the new has worn off. For those who have a actual need to cc, more power to them. I'm glad the law support their cc. For those who simply want to, fine. Again, I am glad the law supports their cc. But those who cc comprise a very small portion of the total population of firearm owners and users. It should not then be surprising to discover that many many firearms enthusiast do not cc... and may not even keep a firearm loaded in their home.

slickt0mmy
03-25-2012, 15:05
I have owned and used a wide variety of firearms for over 30 years. I have not ever and do not now carry a cw. The current noise over cc is in my opinion hype pure and simple. For some, it simply reflects their own Chicken Little view of life. For some, it helps them deal with their "gadgetis." The vast majority who buy cc handguns do not have any training, etc. It would be surprising if they even continue to cc, once the new has worn off. For those who have a actual need to cc, more power to them. I'm glad the law support their cc. For those who simply want to, fine. Again, I am glad the law supports their cc. But those who cc comprise a very small portion of the total population of firearm owners and users. It should not then be surprising to discover that many many firearms enthusiast do not cc... and may not even keep a firearm loaded in their home.

Funny, some people thought seatbelts were all hype when they first came out too.

geoemery
03-25-2012, 15:49
I have a CCL but seldom CC. I live in a rural area/community that probably never had an attack outside a bar or domestic situation. I do have it for 3 reasons. The first is transporting firearms to and from the range. Secondly for hiking, especially on snowshoes. And finally when I'm in a position of having valuables (cash and guns) that others would know about.

I try to get to the range weekly so transporting guns is common. I hike and snowshoe in northern WI where they have wolf packs and bears. Since I'm on private property where they have been sighted frequently, precaution is prudent. The range I go to is a private club, which I'm at alone frequently. You are at the range closer to a larger town with firearms so I worry about being attacked for the guns. (maybe I'm paranoid).

I know several people who that are gun owners and see no need for a CCL. In WI, CCL does provides a few added benefits for the hunter. I'm surprised more have not applied.

SCmasterblaster
03-25-2012, 18:54
The only people who should carry defensive handguns are the ones who have studied the issues and technicalities thoroughly. We don't need raw rookies carrying handguns.

Z28ricer
03-25-2012, 18:59
Leave it at home sometimes ? I think not.

Hell I carry to and from the bathroom.

H&K 4 LIFE
03-25-2012, 19:04
In Connecticut, the only reasonable way you can purchase a handgun (besides obtaining the pointless "eligibility certificate") is to posses a permit to carry.

As such, I know many people who have a permit, and own handguns/firearms which they shoot regularly... but they do not carry. Some of them conditionally, but the majority of them not at all.

While I always carry, I respect others decision to not do so. With carrying a handgun comes huge responsibilities and it is up to everyone to make their own individual choice about whether or not they are prepared to take that on.

racer88
03-25-2012, 19:05
The only people who should carry defensive handguns are the ones who have studied the issues and technicalities thoroughly. We don't need raw rookies carrying handguns.

Let's have some fun with this:

The only people who should VOTE are the ones who have studied the issues and technicalities thoroughly. We don't need raw rookies VOTING.

Other words suitable for substitution might include:

SPEAK FREELY

NOT BE SUBJECT TO UNLAWFUL SEARCH AND SEIZURE

and so on....

slickt0mmy
03-25-2012, 19:07
The only people who should carry defensive handguns are the ones who have studied the issues and technicalities thoroughly. We don't need raw rookies carrying handguns.

And who would you propose have the authority to decide whether you've studied enough or not?

A6Gator
03-25-2012, 19:08
I shoot competitively (IDPA, USPSA, Steel Challenge and IMGA 3 Gun) with a lot of guys who are absolutely amazing pistol shooters who never put a carry gun on when they leave the range and wouldn't even think about it. Some people have brown eyes, some people have blue eyes.

Sheep, sheepdogs...

kimber6
03-25-2012, 23:09
I started carrying because I work in an industry that puts me in bad parts of town, working with clients I have never met in non-public places. I carry 24-7 because I never know when I will be working, and also have become accustomed to having my firearm on me. Once you get used to always having it with you it almost seems wrong to leave it behind. It is not a nuisance to carry it and I don't even give it a second thought now. I support others choices about when/if they carry, I just happen to carry all the time and that is my choice.

racer88
03-26-2012, 05:03
I started carrying because I work in an industry that puts me in bad parts of town, working with clients I have never met in non-public places. I carry 24-7 because I never know when I will be working, and also have become accustomed to having my firearm on me. Once you get used to always having it with you it almost seems wrong to leave it behind. It is not a nuisance to carry it and I don't even give it a second thought now. I support others choices about when/if they carry, I just happen to carry all the time and that is my choice.

I agree. For me it's like wearing my watch. If I don't have it on, it feels weird. And, I also understand that some would choose not to carry.

I love sports cars. I enjoy wringing them out at the track. Personally, I can't imagine having a sports car and not exploring its capabilities and limits (on the track). But, certainly MOST owners of sports cars will NEVER take their cars on the track. Different strokes...

ssharber
03-26-2012, 06:36
I have a CCL but seldom CC.......

I had a close friend who always wore his seat belt. He insisted everyone who rode with him wear theirs too. And this was way back when seat belts weren't mandatory like they are now. He was killed 3 weeks ago when he was thrown from his car. He didn't have his seat belt on. We all were shocked and can't imagine why. Maybe he took it off to reach for something and lost control or just was adjusting it, but the point is you could wear it for years and never need it, but that one time when you do.........

I carry every single day, every single place I go. My fear is not for my life but the life of those I love, my family.

In my line of work I see all too much the consequences of bad things happening to good people. I understand everyone may not wish to carry and that is their right and while I respect it, I'll never be caught in a situation where I regret not having carried.

Leave it at home sometimes ? I think not.

Hell I carry to and from the bathroom.

Amen brother. Amen

geoemery
03-26-2012, 16:32
I should have mentioned my employment prohibits carrying a weapon of any kind due to federal regulation. Violating could ban you from the industry nation wide. Choosing CC all the time or employment. I'm not willing to loose my excessive income for minimal gain, especially in the low crime area I live.

Gun Shark
03-26-2012, 16:57
I should have mentioned my employment prohibits carrying a weapon of any kind due to federal regulation. Violating could ban you from the industry nation wide. Choosing CC all the time or employment. I'm not willing to loose my excessive income for minimal gain, especially in the low crime area I live.


I'm intrigued. What employment prohibits one from carrying and not just while at work?

TexasFats
03-26-2012, 17:20
I don't have my CHL because, five days a week, I have to enter an environment where it is illegal for me to carry--buildings on a college campus. I can have one in my truck without a CHL, and, with our new Parking Lot law, I cannot be fired for that. I know that still leaves me vulnerable when I don't have to be, but at the moment, the MD's are getting a bunch of money from me for co-pays, plus I just don't have time during the semester. Maybe this summer. . .

profiler999
03-26-2012, 17:53
Whether or not you carry, one needs to get their permit. Most places its painless.

In Mississippi you can legally carry in your car without a permit. However the moment you step outside your car it's a problem.

Don't carry, your choice. Now at least get your permit "just in case".

geoemery
03-26-2012, 19:27
A nuclear plant

gunowner1
03-26-2012, 19:34
Everyone who is legally allowed to carry should carry where it is legal to carry. I think of all the victims of crimes that could of had a chance if they had been armed.

JK-linux
03-26-2012, 19:56
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HKLovingIT
03-26-2012, 20:08
I should have mentioned my employment prohibits carrying a weapon of any kind due to federal regulation. Violating could ban you from the industry nation wide. Choosing CC all the time or employment. I'm not willing to loose my excessive income for minimal gain, especially in the low crime area I live.

Nothing wrong with that at all. Common sense. You have to eat.

HKLovingIT
03-26-2012, 20:12
Whether or not you carry, one needs to get their permit. Most places its painless.

In Mississippi you can legally carry in your car without a permit. However the moment you step outside your car it's a problem.

Don't carry, your choice. Now at least get your permit "just in case".

That's a good point because like I mentioned earlier there are laws on transport, etc. that apply here if you don't have your permit. It might be the same in a lot of states so it would seem better to have one so those laws don't apply to you and you get "extra" gun rights.

Nyper
03-27-2012, 09:20
I guess I can contribute a little here.. I'm an enthusiast, but I rarely ever carry.

Why?

It's a pain in the butt!

...because so many places are off limits. The majority of the time when I leave the house, it's often with my wife or friends - eating, shopping, movies, etc. I can't carry in 90% of the restaurants we visit. I can't carry any place that charges admission (theaters, etc). I can't carry in the local shopping malls. I can't carry at work.

I keep one in the center console of my truck 24/7 and will put one in the wife's vehicle if we're taking it very far. I know that isn't the best plan... but it's better than being entirely unarmed.

gunowner1
03-27-2012, 18:16
I guess I can contribute a little here.. I'm an enthusiast, but I rarely ever carry.

Why?

It's a pain in the butt!

...because so many places are off limits. The majority of the time when I leave the house, it's often with my wife or friends - eating, shopping, movies, etc. I can't carry in 90% of the restaurants we visit. I can't carry any place that charges admission (theaters, etc). I can't carry in the local shopping malls. I can't carry at work.

I keep one in the center console of my truck 24/7 and will put one in the wife's vehicle if we're taking it very far. I know that isn't the best plan... but it's better than being entirely unarmed.
Does North Carolina really prohibit carrying in all those places or are they just those annoying signs people put up that I usually ignore?

Tx-SIG229
03-27-2012, 18:35
if you see me at home, i'm CCing. if you see me outside the house, i'm CCing. if you see me at work, i'm CCing. like others have said, its like leaving the house without your watch or cellphone at this point. prior to moving to tx, i lived in two non ccw states (md and wi). all i can say is that not all "good guys" are "good guys"...