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DOC44
03-26-2012, 06:48
More flexible after the election.

open mics are a good thing

:rofl:


http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/03/obama-asks-russia-for-space-through-election-118623.html

Doc44

Goaltender66
03-26-2012, 06:51
More flexible to do what, exactly? More flexible to betray our allies?

Big Mad Dawg
03-26-2012, 06:54
He has been very flexible at the waist from the start just ask the Saudis. No surprise the Russians want some intimate time with the clown too.

JLB768
03-26-2012, 08:06
More flexible to do what he wants, without fear of pissing off possible voters. If re-elected, he has free reign this time around to do what he pleases.

engineer151515
03-26-2012, 09:43
We are already unilaterally disarming our nuclear warheads to 300 v/s 1550 for the Russians.


Flexible? I think this Socialist just surrendered.

series1811
03-26-2012, 10:09
He won't be President after the next election so he will have lots of flexibility.

CAcop
03-26-2012, 10:24
Sounds like Medvedev was not happy with Obama's request. The Russians will probably aqueeze him harder. Or they might hang on figuring if he wins they get a patsy they can push around.

QNman
03-26-2012, 11:53
Yeah... Romney is just as bad. :upeyes:

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JFrame
03-26-2012, 12:00
Being discussed on this thread also:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1410986

We clearly have nothing to fear as much as an Obama unleashed for a second term, and no longer giving even a pretense of moderation due to concerns about reelection.


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Javelin
03-26-2012, 12:12
President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.


This is his last election. I wonder what else he has planned for us? Transimit that information to Vladamir. The State Department is denying speculation :upeyes:

Maybe they mean more flexibility in terms of being able to bend all the way over!

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Obama_bow.jpg

So pathetic. I have a feeling he has lots of things planned for his last election. He's already pretty much taken our civil rights away and right to due process and right to an attorney and right to privacy and the list goes on and on. I can't wait to see what he has planned next for us.


:steamed:

Javelin
03-26-2012, 12:20
Yeah... Romney is just as bad. :upeyes:

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Actually. I don't think it would be any different with Romney other than possibly making a little money on the side deal.

He is scum too. I (we) have all been scammed in this election. It is a complete joke.

:steamed:

Fred Hansen
03-26-2012, 12:44
On the eve of his landslide reelection August 11, 1984:

Reagan Bombing Joke - YouTube

coastal4974
03-26-2012, 14:19
Yep, if your favorite liberal Pub candidate doesn’t get knighted, better not vote and hope to use all your SHTF supplies.

Won’t that be cool? :rock:

zackwatt
03-26-2012, 14:26
Just Arrogance.

engineer151515
03-26-2012, 15:15
On the eve of his landslide reelection August 11, 1984:

Reagan Bombing Joke - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos)

How does Reagan's joke relate whatsoever to Obama's appeasement?

:dunno:

Fred Hansen
03-26-2012, 15:23
How does Reagan's joke relate whatsoever to Obama's appeasement?

:dunno:180 degrees different. As in being the polar opposite. IOW a great President who gladly told the Soviets to go **** themselves vs. a useless ****bag who rolls over like a little ***** looking for a belly-rub from a Russian.

m51
03-26-2012, 15:33
More flexible after the election.

open mics are a good thing

:rofl:


http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/03/obama-asks-russia-for-space-through-election-118623.html

Doc44

Once again Obama shows his lack of presidential security awareness. A local park board president knows about being quiet out in the public arena, but when the POTUS reveals his positions are different to the Russian president than what he tells the US citizens, Houston we have a problem. Besides he, above all people should know mics are everywhere. Either he is not being briefed properly or he is not listening.

DOC44
03-26-2012, 15:45
Once again Obama shows his lack of presidential security awareness. A local park board president knows about being quiet out in the public arena, but when the POTUS reveals his positions are different to the Russian president than what he tells the US citizens, Houston we have a problem. Besides he, above all people should know mics are everywhere. Either he is not being briefed properly or he is not listening.

"This is a big Fn deal." Right Joe?

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LASTRESORT20
03-26-2012, 15:48
He won't be President after the next election so he will have lots of flexibility.



This.....

engineer151515
03-26-2012, 15:59
180 degrees different. As in being the polar opposite. IOW a great President who gladly told the Soviets to go **** themselves vs. a useless ****bag who rolls over like a little ***** looking for a belly-rub from a Russian.

Thank you.

I totally missed that.

:wavey:

m51
03-26-2012, 16:06
"This is a big Fn deal." Right Joe?

Doc44

Exactly, it's hard to believe he could be so inept about things at his level. Well maybe not so hard.

Fred Hansen
03-26-2012, 16:19
Thank you.

I totally missed that.

:wavey:No problem. :wavey:

QNman
03-26-2012, 16:20
Actually. I don't think it would be any different with Romney other than possibly making a little money on the side deal.

He is scum too. I (we) have all been scammed in this election. It is a complete joke.

:steamed:

What fact could possibly lead you to that conclusion? I'm not a Mittens fan, but do not believe for one second he is a big a wuss as Obama when talking to other dignitaries. He saves his big boy pants for dropping bombs on American citizens without due process.

I believe there are (thankfully) precious few Americans who would as gladly and thoroughly dismantle the COTUS as Obama. Particularly with the whole pesky election thing behind him.

QNman
03-26-2012, 16:21
180 degrees different. As in being the polar opposite. IOW a great President who gladly told the Soviets to go **** themselves vs. a useless ****bag who rolls over like a little ***** looking for a belly-rub from a Russian.

This. Perfect.

nursetim
03-26-2012, 16:51
I hope this opens the eyes of his employed supporters. I hope it ruins his chances of reelection and get huge media scrutiny.

Stubudd
03-26-2012, 17:07
I don't think i'm following here. What did he give up? What did he do? He told medvedev it's an election, talk to me after. All politicians do that- say one thing and do another, especially in election years. Every president ever did that. All presidents game with foreign leaders, stall, flatter, lie, whatever. What is the big surprise?

Stubudd
03-26-2012, 17:10
Once again Obama shows his lack of presidential security awareness. A local park board president knows about being quiet out in the public arena, but when the POTUS reveals his positions are different to the Russian president than what he tells the US citizens, Houston we have a problem. Besides he, above all people should know mics are everywhere. Either he is not being briefed properly or he is not listening.

I've got bad news for you brother, you don't know the half. The president of the US has been lying to you and deceiving you as to his positions since you were born. We don't know half of the half what really goes on in foreign policy- you can be sure whatever any POTUS tells you is happening, that ain't it, especially if there's any kind of violence involved.

G17Jake
03-26-2012, 17:28
In a sane world, this would sink any chance Obama had of being re-elected.

wjv
03-26-2012, 17:36
Being discussed on this thread also:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1410986

The thread with the title that doesn't give a clue as to what it is about. . .

JFrame
03-26-2012, 17:58
The thread with the title that doesn't give a clue as to what it is about. . .


True dat -- but it's still being discussed there... :supergrin:


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QNman
03-26-2012, 19:21
In a sane world, this would sink any chance Obama had of being re-elected.

Yeah... Wish we lived there.

Vic777
03-26-2012, 19:34
As the Priest told Carmella in Sopranos, "You will never be able to say, you weren't told"

Read Dick Morris's latest book ... out in two weeks.

Basically if Obama is reelected it's the end of America, but we on GT already know this.

Stubudd
03-26-2012, 19:41
As the Priest told Carmella in Sopranos, "You will never be able to say, you weren't told"



that guy was a psychiatrist vic. that's a good scene

here you go vic, off topic but oh well. i love it when it he says "probably the least of his misdeeds"

the sopranos - a dose of reality from dr. krakower - YouTube

fortyofforty
03-27-2012, 05:03
This is what you get from an anti-American president. I don't think we've ever had one before. There were plenty of bad ones but I think Odumbo is the first anti-American president. And now his media enablers are covering for him, allowing Odumbo to make light of it instead of hammering him on the clear suggestion that he will be free to weaken our national security once the election is over.

JFrame
03-27-2012, 05:55
All of Obama's training, background, and mental conditioning have woven betrayal of the United States into his behavioral pattern. This is indisputable.


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aircarver
03-27-2012, 06:06
Where is the media, pursuing this 'Watergate' ? ....:steamed:

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JFrame
03-27-2012, 06:12
Where is the media, pursuing this 'Watergate' ? ....:steamed:

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With their noses firmly ensconced up where the sun don't shine on O's backside...


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Ringo S.
03-28-2012, 10:35
Nobody in Russia has no doubt about US missile defense system. They know, that it is created not against Iran or China, but against Russia. No doubt at all. And they know, that despite of word "defense" in the name of system, this is the weapon of first, preemptive strike against Russia. Because missile defense system, that established on the borders of Russia, dedicated and able to destroy only missiles, that left intact in Russia after preemptive strike of USA. This is the ONLY goal of missile defense system in Europe - weapon of first strike, weapon of aggression, if you like.
How do you think, russians like this idea and what they think about US in that case? They gonna prepare themselves against destruction... Do you really want new nuclear weapon race? Do we really so bored with our lives, that we have to engage in confrontation with the only country, that still can ruin USA? And what is excuse for this now? Russia is not a socialist country "Evil empire", so people in Russia, seeing this actions of USA began to think, that USA just didn't like idea of strong and independent Russia, whatever it is, USSR or Russia...
USSR lost in "Cold war" not because" of loosing the arms race, as some think here in US. Defeat was result of treasonous behavior of rotten soviet leadership of Gorbachov and his crew. It was result of USA winning propaganda campaign of advantages of free market. Idea of free market lost a lot of glitter for the last 20 years... And modern russian leadership began to understand, that they could lose their position and money in foreign banks not because of their membership in communist party, but just because they are russians! This make you think... (especially after watching the fate of leaders like Kaddafi).
So, despite of weakness of modern Russia, but still armed enough to ruin USA, we have there leadership, that loosing illusions of have USA as friend, and, that more important, population, that, unlike 20 years ago, will be not fallible to american propaganda of advantages of freedom, despite of all the money, that CIA spend on creating and supporting of opposition in Russia, through different "freedom" organizations. In time of Internet it could not be hidden, that opposition in Russia is a "fifth's column", that's how majority of russians see them (So, millions and millions of US taxpayers went wasted). Yes, people and organizations, that 20-25 years ago were seeing as freedom fighters, now seeing by majority of russians as traitors (as lots of them always were, frankly saying).
In these circumstances, I don't think it wise to go with old politics of the times of "Cold war" . Russia is not the same and most important - USA is not the same...

fortyofforty
03-28-2012, 20:11
Nobody in Russia has no doubt about US missile defense system. They know, that it is created not against Iran or China, but against Russia. No doubt at all. And they know, that despite of word "defense" in the name of system, this is the weapon of first, preemptive strike against Russia. Because missile defense system, that established on the borders of Russia, dedicated and able to destroy only missiles, that left intact in Russia after preemptive strike of USA. This is the ONLY goal of missile defense system in Europe - weapon of first strike, weapon of aggression, if you like.
How do you think, russians like this idea and what they think about US in that case? They gonna prepare themselves against destruction... Do you really want new nuclear weapon race? Do we really so bored with our lives, that we have to engage in confrontation with the only country, that still can ruin USA? And what is excuse for this now? Russia is not a socialist country "Evil empire", so people in Russia, seeing this actions of USA began to think, that USA just didn't like idea of strong and independent Russia, whatever it is, USSR or Russia...
USSR lost in "Cold war" not because" of loosing the arms race, as some think here in US. Defeat was result of treasonous behavior of rotten soviet leadership of Gorbachov and his crew. It was result of USA winning propaganda campaign of advantages of free market. Idea of free market lost a lot of glitter for the last 20 years... And modern russian leadership began to understand, that they could lose their position and money in foreign banks not because of their membership in communist party, but just because they are russians! This make you think... (especially after watching the fate of leaders like Kaddafi).
So, despite of weakness of modern Russia, but still armed enough to ruin USA, we have there leadership, that loosing illusions of have USA as friend, and, that more important, population, that, unlike 20 years ago, will be not fallible to american propaganda of advantages of freedom, despite of all the money, that CIA spend on creating and supporting of opposition in Russia, through different "freedom" organizations. In time of Internet it could not be hidden, that opposition in Russia is a "fifth's column", that's how majority of russians see them (So, millions and millions of US taxpayers went wasted). Yes, people and organizations, that 20-25 years ago were seeing as freedom fighters, now seeing by majority of russians as traitors (as lots of them always were, frankly saying).
In these circumstances, I don't think it wise to go with old politics of the times of "Cold war" . Russia is not the same and most important - USA is not the same...

You do know that the Soviet Union fielded a missile defense system for years (throughout the Cold War), right? Russia doesn't give a crap if Iran or North Korea or another one of their friends launches a nuclear missile or two against America. Our President should. And I think Socialism had a little to do with the downfall of the USSR.

janice6
03-28-2012, 20:33
After he loses, he is free to say anything he wants to anyone.

G17Jake
03-28-2012, 20:39
For those that haven't seen and heard it, a video of Obama telling Medvedev to relay a message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J80AlgEQNoI&feature=youtu.be

Obama is caught on camera with a live microphone ready to sell out the country he has sworn to defend.

Fred Hansen
03-28-2012, 23:51
I thought Hussein's No Bell prize was meant to solve all these issues. :upeyes:

juggy4711
03-29-2012, 00:10
This. Perfect.

So from Romney we can expect a president that talks a good game and only sells us out in smaller amounts than the D alternative? That sounds crappy to me. Reagan was a great communicator, but not a great conservative.

I don't give a rat's butt about Russia, Iran or North Korea. I want a president that is first and foremost concerned about the USA.

Vic777
03-29-2012, 02:39
I hope this opens the eyes of his employed supporters. I hope it ruins his chances of reelection and get huge media scrutiny.The lieberals love Obama, he steals your money and gives it to them. If he wins his "last" election and gets more "space" he will totally destroy America. This video of him sneaking to the Soviet Union and plotting with the Communists should be front and centre in the GOP Campaign. No more McCain, "Hands off Obama", crap. Why is the GOP afraid to say his middle name?

Big Mad Dawg
03-29-2012, 04:30
The lieberals love Obama, he steals your money and gives it to them. If he wins his "last" election and gets more "space" he will totally destroy America. This video of him sneaking to the Soviet Union and plotting with the Communists should be front and centre in the GOP Campaign. No more McCain, "Hands off Obama", crap. Why is the GOP afraid to say his middle name?

I agree he is what he is and it should be stated openly and loudly at every opportunity.

QNman
03-29-2012, 05:22
So from Romney we can expect a president that talks a good game and only sells us out in smaller amounts than the D alternative? That sounds crappy to me. Reagan was a great communicator, but not a great conservative.

I don't give a rat's butt about Russia, Iran or North Korea. I want a president that is first and foremost concerned about the USA.

Yeah... Thats right. :upeyes:

And that old Reagan, he was practically FDR. :dunno:

Ringo S.
03-29-2012, 18:39
Russia doesn't give a crap if Iran or North Korea or another one of their friends launches a nuclear missile or two against America. Our President should.
So you don't like idea of N.Korea or Iran or whoever else launching nuclear missile against USA? Understandable.
But I think you didn't read my post properly... US missile defense system on the borders of Russia is part of FIRST STRIKE system against Russia. Part of PREEMPTIVE STRIKE. And only under this condition it has any military sense. It aimed not against N.Korea, not against Iran, or other country of you imagination, but against Russia.
So if you don't like idea of preemptive strike from mighty N.Korea or Iran, what do you think russians think about very real threat from US nuclear system on their borders?
And please, don't tell me, that you don't care...

fortyofforty
03-29-2012, 18:55
So you don't like idea of N.Korea or Iran or whoever else launching nuclear missile against USA? Understandable.
But I think you didn't read my post properly... US missile defense system on the borders of Russia is part of FIRST STRIKE system against Russia. Part of PREEMPTIVE STRIKE. And only under this condition it has any military sense. It aimed not against N.Korea, not against Iran, or other country of you imagination, but against Russia.
So if you don't like idea of preemptive strike from mighty N.Korea or Iran, what do you think russians think about very real threat from US nuclear system on their borders?
And please, don't tell me, that you don't care...

Really? Russia has claimed for years that any US missile defense system will be ineffective against a Russian missile attack that would overwhelm any defense system. So, if that is true, what are they afraid of? You seem to think one missile hitting a city is no big deal, even if it's launched by "mighty N.Korea or Iran". I don't care who launches it, or how big or small, powerful or weak is their military. One nuclear missile is one too many.

A missile defense system should include our close allies in Europe. You seem to have a very pro-Russia view of foreign policy. I don't think we should cater to our frenemies.

We could have attacked the Soviet Union with atomic weapons after the Second World War. We chose not to. If Russia wants to be our friend, they should start acting like it instead of acting like our enemy of old.

juggy4711
03-29-2012, 20:00
Yeah... Thats right. :upeyes:

And that old Reagan, he was practically FDR. :dunno:

Reagan wasn't FDR but he caved, sold out or however one wants to think of it on major conservative issues.

He was certainly the most skilled orator and politician in my life time, edging out Clinton for #1. Doesn't mean he was the bastion of conservatism he is made out to be.

From Shakespeare on the sentiment has been made, and likely before, but I like Franklin's the best, "Well done is better than well said". Reagan was a let down on major issues no matter how well spoken he was and that is that. No amount of demagoguery is going to revise history to the contrary.

Reagan was just another stop gap measure but the end result was still bigger government, irresponsible spending, reduction in freedom and the addition of powers to the federal government proscribed by CotUS.

Not trying to say Reagan was as bad as Obama is, but for some reason it seems Republicans and so called conservatives are willing to take what the Democrats and liberal are dishing out as long as it is in smaller increments. That way there candidate is somehow better when the path leads to the same place. The slower pace is like a frog boiling I guess.

It's two card monte where the dealer takes 50 cents instead of a dollar.

I know, I'm just a crazy libertarian that wants legalized weed and no foreign entanglements; one joint shy of needing to be locked up in an insane asylum.

Again I will invoke Ben Franklin. To paraphrase...This will not end well and when it doesn't, it will be our own fault.

So in closing let me say that I have a tremendous amount of respect for the ideals and philosophies Reagan talked about, however he was a failure in his execution. Well said didn't lead to well done and it is possible it never will but it would be refreshing to have a President that vetoes just about everything and directs the blame directly to the Legislature. Veto everything they do not agree with regardless of the chance of it being overridden.

At least then, regardless of the outcome, I could have some respect for a principled President rather than a compromising leader afraid to ruffle some feathers.

Speaking of feathers I hope I ruffled at least 1200 of them. :whistling:

fortyofforty
03-29-2012, 20:07
Reagan did take Democrat leaders like Tip O'Neill at their word. When they promised to cut spending Reagan believed they would. Of course, more important than anything else, Reagan helped bring an end to the Soviet Union and liberated millions of people throughout Europe. If he did nothing else, he'd still be one of our greatest presidents. You might be too young to remember having to deal with the Soviet Union as a deadly adversary every day, though.

Ringo S.
03-30-2012, 10:39
We could have attacked the Soviet Union with atomic weapons after the Second World War. We chose not to. If Russia wants to be our friend, they should start acting like it instead of acting like our enemy of old.

"Choose you friends wisely, choose your enemies even wiser" (c) And I state, that according to this old saying, USA foreign politics were leaded by morons, at least for 25 years.

fortyofforty
03-30-2012, 10:41
"Choose you friends wisely, choose your enemies even wiser" (c) And I state, that according to this old saying, USA foreign politics were leaded by morons, at least for 25 years.

What do you mean? Should we have been friends with the Soviet Union under Stalin in the late 1940s and early 1950s?

Ringo S.
03-30-2012, 15:38
What do you mean? Should we have been friends with the Soviet Union under Stalin in the late 1940s and early 1950s?
And why not?!

QNman
03-30-2012, 19:09
And why not?!

That you even ask that question means you are beyond hope.

Curious - how long does it take for the propaganda to turn you into you?

QNman
03-30-2012, 19:12
Ringo, you do know if the US were interested in a preemptive strike, we could do it from anywhere in the US, right? We're not developing ICBM's - we already have them.

Use your mind, man.

Fred Hansen
03-30-2012, 19:15
And why not?!:freak:

Fred Hansen
03-30-2012, 19:17
That you even ask that question means you are beyond hope.

Curious - how long does it take for the propaganda to turn you into you?At least we know Obama's screen name now.

Ringo S.
03-30-2012, 20:19
Ringo, you do know if the US were interested in a preemptive strike, we could do it from anywhere in the US, right? We're not developing ICBM's - we already have them.

Use your mind, man.
Your bombastic uppityness amused me, thank you.
But anyway, back to education of masses - US can strike any time from US territory, you are right... only problem with it, this will be followed with reply, that you will not like... And even if reply will be not as big as possible(because of preemptive strike), it still would be devastating for USA.
That's, where all this "peaceful" anti-missile defense system in Europe come handy(at least idiots politicians in USA think so) - to strike whatever Russia could launch, after american preemptive blow...
If you think otherwise, you don't know what you talking about. Period.

Fred Hansen
03-30-2012, 21:47
Your bombastic uppityness amused me, thank you.
But anyway, back to education of masses - US can strike any time from US territory, you are right... only problem with it, this will be followed with reply, that you will not like... And even if reply will be not as big as possible(because of preemptive strike), it still would be devastating for USA.
That's, where all this "peaceful" anti-missile defense system in Europe come handy(at least idiots politicians in USA think so) - to strike whatever Russia could launch, after american preemptive blow...
If you think otherwise, you don't know what you talking about. Period.Obviously "idiots politicians" in Glorious Soviet Homeland think so too, otherwise they wouldn't be whining to their Secular Humanist Messiah sleeper agent about it.

The age old die-in-the-frozen-mud-for-the-Родина trick doesn't work so well with a thousand Big Sylvania Blue-Dots going off in the sky. Life is tough; invest in a helmet. Remember to say "cheese" when you see the flash.

QNman
03-30-2012, 22:56
Your bombastic uppityness amused me, thank you.
But anyway, back to education of masses - US can strike any time from US territory, you are right... only problem with it, this will be followed with reply, that you will not like... And even if reply will be not as big as possible(because of preemptive strike), it still would be devastating for USA.
That's, where all this "peaceful" anti-missile defense system in Europe come handy(at least idiots politicians in USA think so) - to strike whatever Russia could launch, after american preemptive blow...
If you think otherwise, you don't know what you talking about. Period.

Yeah... You're right. I don't know what I'm talking about... :freak:

I'm glad my "bombastic uppityness" amuses you so much. Your attempts at use of the Englich language keep me in stitches too.

The truth is, Russia isn't a giant pile of glass because we have no interest in making it as much. Think about it... How easy would it have been to reduce Russia to a giant parking lot in, say, 1991? We're not the evil empire your government sponsored newspapers would have you believe.

Again, use your noodle. Break free from the programming.

Ringo S.
03-31-2012, 00:09
Think about it... How easy would it have been to reduce Russia to a giant parking lot in, say, 1991?
I think, it wasn't so easy in 1991, 1992 or even in 1999... Cos, you know, first, Russia is not some tiny country, like Germany, for example, and one could only hope in vain to destroy the all of the russian missile sites on almost 1/6 of the Earth surface, and as we all know, if even one US city turned to"giant parking lot", it would be not so good during election time...Especially, that it wasn't be only one city.
Second, you probably never heard about soviet "Perimetr" system and that is good, may let you sleep better.
So, what I am trying to say, Mike Tyson shouldn't be thankful to me, because I didn't beat him up somewhere in 1988...
That's why, russians should be thankful first to comrade Stalin, who in very hard and hungry days of after WWII 1940s, did everything to create very fast russian own nuclear weapons. And that is how US plan of A-bombing of 100 soviet towns never come to reality. And world didn't suffer another World war for almost 70 years.
And only then, I may think about kindness of american politicians as a reason why A-bombs were used only once in the war and never used against USSR or Russia.

I generally don't understand, with all these bad memories about "Cold war" scare moments, when world was hanging on the thread of opening of last nuclear Armageddon, still some people want to do all this again...

G19G20
03-31-2012, 01:30
Obama got caught saying something similar to the PM Harper during the 2008 election. He's running on whatever he thinks he can win on. So are the Republicans. Both say the same things behind closed doors. "Oh it's just campaign rhetoric"

fortyofforty
03-31-2012, 07:02
How many nuclear weapons would it take to wipe out Russia? Have you ever heard of "nuclear winter"? Do you think fallout might be a slight concern even if no Russian missiles got through our perfect missile defense?

And if you think we should have been friends with the Soviet Union, I suggest you read a few books on Stalin and his tens of millions of people murdered and hundreds of millions of people enslaved.

Ruble Noon
03-31-2012, 07:17
I think, it wasn't so easy in 1991, 1992 or even in 1999... Cos, you know, first, Russia is not some tiny country, like Germany, for example, and one could only hope in vain to destroy the all of the russian missile sites on almost 1/6 of the Earth surface, and as we all know, if even one US city turned to"giant parking lot", it would be not so good during election time...Especially, that it wasn't be only one city.
Second, you probably never heard about soviet "Perimetr" system and that is good, may let you sleep better.
So, what I am trying to say, Mike Tyson shouldn't be thankful to me, because I didn't beat him up somewhere in 1988...
That's why, russians should be thankful first to comrade Stalin, who in very hard and hungry days of after WWII 1940s, did everything to create very fast russian own nuclear weapons. And that is how US plan of A-bombing of 100 soviet towns never come to reality. And world didn't suffer another World war for almost 70 years.
And only then, I may think about kindness of american politicians as a reason why A-bombs were used only once in the war and never used against USSR or Russia.

I generally don't understand, with all these bad memories about "Cold war" scare moments, when world was hanging on the thread of opening of last nuclear Armageddon, still some people want to do all this again...

The Russian missile defense system?

QNman
03-31-2012, 07:19
Mike Tyson? You think of yourselves as Mike Tyson? Seriously? Maybe the current Tyson from Hangover...

Comrade Stalin? What about Comrade Mao? Is he your hero too?

Wow... The fail is strong in this one.

But getting back on topic, Obama's open mike mishap should warn all Americans what we have been preaching all along... If you think the last 3-1/2 years have been bed, just wait until Obama is a lame duck. That's when the real Obama will fly his true colors.

Ringo S.
03-31-2012, 09:52
I suggest you read a few books on Stalin and his tens of millions of people murdered and hundreds of millions of people enslaved.
What would happen to your mind if you find out, that it is big lie, all these tens of millions murdered and enslaved?

QNman
03-31-2012, 14:23
What would happen to your mind if you find out, that it is big lie, all these tens of millions murdered and enslaved?

Do have anything that even resembles proof that hundreds of historians are lying? Or do you just believe whatever you're told to believe?

Ringo S.
03-31-2012, 17:38
Do have anything that even resembles proof that hundreds of historians are lying? Or do you just believe whatever you're told to believe?
I have book "Geschichte der juden in Deutschland", printed in 1935 in Germany. Something about jews. I can not read in german, but I am sure, that hundreds of german historians of pure race written many, many books at that time on topic how bad jews are...
My believe system came through several periods and trials and during them I found out, that things I believe in were not exactly as they seemed to be. And if you meaning, that I shouldn't believe in thing, I was told long time ago, I am with you on this one - since I was child, way into my 30s I was told, that Stalin was very bad guy, mass murderer and all that crap. It took a lot of information to find out, that I was lied to...
It looks like we are talking like deaf would talk to blind.
Thing is, when you see american liberals, that human waste, you think they are comunists, so Lenin and Stalin should be the same, as modern american liberals.
The thing is, if you want to look for comparison of real american conservatives in Russia, you will find them among Stalin and his crew. And disgusting american liberals will find their match in soviet era dissidents and modern opposition - same allien crowd to their country, as american liberals to USA.
As strange as it looks, it is the fact, cos' USA and Russia very different. As russian proverb says: "What healthy for russian, will kill the german".

QNman
03-31-2012, 19:57
I have book "Geschichte der juden in Deutschland", printed in 1935 in Germany. Something about jews. I can not read in german, but I am sure, that hundreds of german historians of pure race written many, many books at that time on topic how bad jews are...
My believe system came through several periods and trials and during them I found out, that things I believe in were not exactly as they seemed to be. And if you meaning, that I shouldn't believe in thing, I was told long time ago, I am with you on this one - since I was child, way into my 30s I was told, that Stalin was very bad guy, mass murderer and all that crap. It took a lot of information to find out, that I was lied to...
It looks like we are talking like deaf would talk to blind.
Thing is, when you see american liberals, that human waste, you think they are comunists, so Lenin and Stalin should be the same, as modern american liberals.
The thing is, if you want to look for comparison of real american conservatives in Russia, you will find them among Stalin and his crew. And disgusting american liberals will find their match in soviet era dissidents and modern opposition - same allien crowd to their country, as american liberals to USA.
As strange as it looks, it is the fact, cos' USA and Russia very different. As russian proverb says: "What healthy for russian, will kill the german".

You know, of course, that you are utterly insane... And an anti-Semite. Right?

Goaltender66
04-01-2012, 08:08
You know, of course, that you are utterly insane... And an anti-Semite. Right?

He's more entertaining if you read his posts with the voice of Boris Badenov.

"and then we get moose and squirrel."


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G17Jake
04-01-2012, 10:12
He's more entertaining if you read his posts with the voice of Boris Badenov.

"and then we get moose and squirrel."


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:rofl:

fortyofforty
04-01-2012, 14:28
What would happen to your mind if you find out, that it is big lie, all these tens of millions murdered and enslaved?

What would happen to your mind if you . . . ? Never mind. You have lost the capacity to reason. Love of Socialism has eliminated your ability to judge history, and you need to excuse the most heinous crimes in order to support actions taken "in defense" of Socialism. I almost cannot believe you are serious. :dunno:

snerd
04-01-2012, 16:26
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Chuck TX
04-01-2012, 19:52
He's more entertaining if you read his posts with the voice of Boris Badenov.

"and then we get moose and squirrel."


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Oddly enough, that is precisely what I've been doing for quite some time. :rofl:

Ringo S.
04-02-2012, 20:39
You know, of course, that you are utterly insane... And an anti-Semite. Right?
I over-estimated your brain power. Excuse me... At least, sarcasm is totally foreign for you.

QNman
04-02-2012, 21:12
I over-estimated your brain power. Excuse me... At least, sarcasm is totally foreign for you.

No... But English is foreign to you...

Nothing you said sounded sarcastic - just rabidly anti-Semitic and entirely brain-washed.

Ringo S.
04-04-2012, 18:31
No... But English is foreign to you...

Nothing you said sounded sarcastic - just rabidly anti-Semitic and entirely brain-washed.

Yes, English is foreign for me, but it much better, that to have your brain, not just foreign for your head, but alien...

You said, that if hundreds of historains wrote something bad about USSR - that makes it true- right?
I answered to you buy making sample with german "historians and scientists" in 1930s, that wrote many books about how jews are inferior. With your twisted logic, the big number of these books and "scientific works" makes it to be true... So who is anti-semite?
And who is simpleton, that needs explaining of very plain and easy things? (Hint - you):tongueout:

QNman
04-04-2012, 18:44
Yes, English is foreign for me, but it much better, that to have your brain, not just foreign for your head, but alien...

You said, that if hundreds of historains wrote something bad about USSR - that makes it true- right?
I answered to you buy making sample with german "historians and scientists" in 1930s, that wrote many books about how jews are inferior. With your twisted logic, the big number of these books and "scientific works" makes it to be true... So who is anti-semite?
And who is simpleton, that needs explaining of very plain and easy things? (Hint - you):tongueout:

If I misunderstood your views on the Jewish, then I offer my sincere apologies.

HOWEVER... This little claptrap...

... And if you meaning, that I shouldn't believe in thing, I was told long time ago, I am with you on this one - since I was child, way into my 30s I was told, that Stalin was very bad guy, mass murderer and all that crap. It took a lot of information to find out, that I was lied to...

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The thing is, if you want to look for comparison of real american conservatives in Russia, you will find them among Stalin and his crew. And disgusting american liberals will find their match in soviet era dissidents and modern opposition - same allien crowd to their country, as american liberals to USA.
As strange as it looks, it is the fact, cos' USA and Russia very different. As russian proverb says: "What healthy for russian, will kill the german".

If Stalin is your hero, then you got one fact right... "USA and Russia very different" (sic).