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SCmasterblaster
03-26-2012, 16:19
http://www.newsmax.com/US/trayvon-martin-zimmerman-killing/2012/03/26/id/433912?s=al&promo_code=E854-1


It turns out that the shooting ws indeed self-defence, according to the witness and injuries.

OctoberRust
03-26-2012, 16:45
but he was unarmed. :crying: Think of the children.:crying:



....I think some people need to learn the definition of disparity of force. I'll bet this will still go to court now though. He will likely be found innocent (and rightfully so) if this witness is telling the truth.

cphilip
03-26-2012, 16:50
It appears someone in the Sanford PD leaked some of those facts that were already in evidence from earlier reports... but... it all is what we have heard early on.

Look like Mom is going to cash in on this though...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123

cowboywannabe
03-26-2012, 17:03
so, if, IF this witness' story is correct we have a stupidly acting president, stupid (and not acting) film producers and pimps who fleese gullable black folks threatening a man's life which will only lead to more black criminals being shot.

waitaminute, maybe thats the idea.

looks like the making of another tawanna brawley duke lacross team circus.

cphilip
03-26-2012, 17:25
We have race baiters who make their living off of stirring up controversy even where it isn't. The more outrageous the better for them. Problem is... there is racism and peoples rights getting trampled every day that go unchallenged and when these high profile cases fizzle, all the parties suffer and this allows this silent racism to persist. In fact it encourages and breeds it. Its a shame. But its the chance you take when you don't wait until all the facts are known and when you get involved emotionally in something you don't really know anything about.

cowboy1964
03-26-2012, 18:45
Has anyone tweeted Spike Lee's home address yet?

cowboy1964
03-26-2012, 18:45
so, if, IF this witness' story is correct we have a stupidly acting president

You'd think he would have learned after the last time he commented without knowing the facts.

I hope if and when the feds clear Zimmerman that Obama says something. I think he may have to if riots break out.

xmanhockey7
03-26-2012, 18:46
Go figure to sides to a story.

RedNine
03-26-2012, 19:18
The outraged citizenry won't give a ****. They don't care about facts. They don't even care about all the other killings that are happening while this story is in the limelight.

jb1911
03-26-2012, 19:29
You'd think he would have learned after the last time he commented without knowing the facts.

Obama? Learned? That's a good one.

dosei
03-26-2012, 20:12
http://www.newsmax.com/US/trayvon-martin-zimmerman-killing/2012/03/26/id/433912?s=al&promo_code=E854-1


It turns out that the shooting ws indeed self-defence, according to the witness and injuries.

Not exactly "New" news...this has been known since the day after the shooting...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

(The article linked above was published on 2/27/12, the day after the shooting)

ssharber
03-27-2012, 02:01
Just because he says he was attacked doesn't mean he had the right to take the guys life. He was told not to pursue this guy. I mean think about it. He could have easily pulled his pistol on this kid. Being confronted by someone with a pistol the guy may very well have been fighting for his life, therefore it doesn't mean Zimmerman is innocent. There's at least 2 sides to every story. Often there's more though.

arushus
03-27-2012, 02:32
I dont understand why people keep invoking the fact that he was told not to pursue by the 911 operator, as if he broke the law by not listening. He was told by some person who is trained to talk on the phone and type on the computer not to follow someone, big deal, just cuz they said not to, doesnt make it the right thing to do...

Longhammer
03-27-2012, 03:15
If in fact this was a justified shooting. It tells me that this kid Trayvon either thought he was bulletproof (like most kids under 25), or he wanted to be a martyr. A martyr or pawn acting in the name of lawlessness. I only mention the second possibility because of the polarized visibility of the case. I only hope our justice system sees fit to uphold the gunrights of the honest property owners in this country. I believe we are outnumbered now.

series1811
03-27-2012, 03:30
Who here really thinks Zimmerman stopped this kid from committing a crime that night?

What do people here think would have happened if Zimmerman had done what the dispatcher said?

I still don't know the facts, but it is starting to look like a legal killing, that just didn't have to happen.

Two fools collided, and one got killed. That only happens about 1000 times a year in the US. If not for the race thing, it would just be a small byline in the paper.

1911ES
03-27-2012, 03:41
They need to put this thing to bed .... now. These loud-mouth protesters of cities that are located 2000 miles away, who out out marching around with signs and hooded sweatshirts, have nothing better to do ? :zipmouth: Maybe they should start by cleaning up their own neihborhood streets ....

Oh ... since we're all here ........ the mail came yesterday. Two boxes of Ranger 124 gr. +P

SCmasterblaster
03-27-2012, 04:04
They need to put this thing to bed .... now. These loud-mouth protesters of cities that are located 2000 miles away, who out out marching around with signs and hooded sweatshirts, have nothing better to do ? :zipmouth: Maybe they should start by cleaning up their own neihborhood streets ....

Oh ... since we're all here ........ the mail came yesterday. Two boxes of Ranger 124 gr. +P

That sounds like some potent ammunition. I carry a G17 with WW +p+ 115gr JHPs.

:supergrin:

Beretta92guy
03-27-2012, 04:11
about two years ago i had some drunk guy try to bust in my back door one night....

i had my gun in hand on the phone with 911....operator told me to put the gun down and wait for police.....told her until i see the police here my gun stays in my hand...

did i break the law???....cops on the scene had no problem with it....

question is, does a 911 operators commands carry any weight of law????

my guess is NO

Bren
03-27-2012, 04:29
so, if, IF this witness' story is correct we have a stupidly acting president, stupid (and not acting) film producers and pimps who fleese gullable black folks threatening a man's life which will only lead to more black criminals being shot.

waitaminute, maybe thats the idea.

looks like the making of another tawanna brawley duke lacross team circus.

I have noticed that he keeps making personal phone calls to black people - only - who are complaining about the police and/or white people.

ssharber
03-27-2012, 04:32
I dont understand why people keep invoking the fact that he was told not to pursue by the 911 operator, as if he broke the law by not listening

Because as CCW holders, we must hold ourselves to a higher standard.

If a fight starts, try to walk away at all cost from it and eat your pride, because if you have the only gun in the fight, on moral grounds alone, you are required to use more DISCRETION than the other guy because ultimately, you have the option of LETHAL FORCE if certain criteria are met.

If he would have walked away and not pursued him, all this might not have happened. The police are the ones who should pursue someone, not an individual out trying to be the police. Thats why.

Also, 911 operators in most states are trained EMT's, some are even LEO's, not just someone typing on the computer and answering the phone.

c6601a
03-27-2012, 04:37
I dont understand why people keep invoking the fact that he was told not to pursue by the 911 operator, as if he broke the law by not listening.Once ALL the facts come to light, the whole case is going to hinge on one issue: Whether Zimmerman's actions meet the "reasonable person" test. In other words, would a "reasonable person" faced with exactly the same situation do what Zimmerman did. This interaction with the 911 operator will hurt him in two ways.

Was his decision to get out of the safety of his vehicle and chase someone he described as suspicious and possibly high a reasonable one? In real time, a supposedly reasonable operator gave the opinion that it was not a good idea. Not only did Zimmerman come to a different conclusion, but did so despite being advised about what was reasonable.

Was his decision to shoot at the moment he decided to shoot reasonable? If one believes that only a few minutes ago Zimmerman did something unreasonable despite being told what the reasonable thing was, then one can believe that he used the same level of decision-making at the time of the shooting and his claim that he was justified can be dismissed.

Most people who are saying that the interaction with 911 operator was important feel this at a gut level but are unable to articulate it this way.

rozz421
03-27-2012, 04:46
If it can be proven that he did in fact turn around and walk back to his car, I would think stand your ground would be his defense. I'm not justifying his decision to follow at first, but what if you did the same and then sense took over turned you around toward your car?

hardbargin
03-27-2012, 04:52
Has anyone tweeted Spike Lee's home address yet?

what for? no whites are going to bother him. we donot have it in us anymore. it has been brainwashed out from the 60's.:shocked:

cphilip
03-27-2012, 06:31
I suggest you remove your racist hateful post hardbargin. Way out of line dude.

220-9er
03-27-2012, 06:42
I suggest you remove your racist hateful post hardbargin. Way out of line dude.

+1. Losers like that make us all look bad by association.

FL Airedale
03-27-2012, 06:54
Because as CCW holders, we must hold ourselves to a higher standard.

If a fight starts, try to walk away at all cost from it and eat your pride, because if you have the only gun in the fight, on moral grounds alone, you are required to use more DISCRETION than the other guy because ultimately, you have the option of LETHAL FORCE if certain criteria are met.


:thumbsup:

My thoughts exactly.

There is often a difference between what is legal and what is moral. Theoretically, the law is the same for everyone. Morals are individual.

Morally, I'm going to do everything I can to avoid a confrontation. I'm only shooting if my back is against the wall and it's him or me.

As long as I do that, I should avoid breaking the law.

hardbargin
03-27-2012, 07:00
I suggest you remove your racist hateful post hardbargin. Way out of line dude.

remove if you choose.

hardbargin
03-27-2012, 07:02
+1. Losers like that make us all look bad by association.

so who are you?

mj9mm
03-27-2012, 07:08
so anyway, how did a white guy get dragged into this. :whistling: seems i read this was between a hispanic and a black person.
i'm trying to keep this to the facts

IndyGunFreak
03-27-2012, 07:23
Because as CCW holders, we must hold ourselves to a higher standard.

If a fight starts, try to walk away at all cost from it and eat your pride, because if you have the only gun in the fight, on moral grounds alone, you are required to use more DISCRETION than the other guy because ultimately, you have the option of LETHAL FORCE if certain criteria are met.
.

He did try to walk away. Zimmerman, in the police reports, is noted as having injuries to the back of his head... how did those happen?

Personally, it looks like the media is backpedaling, and I think we are going to see Zimmerman vindicated in the end... especially if the police report/witness accounts are accurate.

IndyGunFreak
03-27-2012, 07:26
Just because he says he was attacked doesn't mean he had the right to take the guys life. He was told not to pursue this guy. I mean think about it. He could have easily pulled his pistol on this kid. Being confronted by someone with a pistol the guy may very well have been fighting for his life, therefore it doesn't mean Zimmerman is innocent. There's at least 2 sides to every story. Often there's more though.

Actually, if the POLICE REPORT is true, his head was being banged on the concrete, that certainly rises to the "risk of great bodily harm" in most states lethal force statutes.

Second... every report I've saw on the gun, notes that the gun had a spent shell in the chamber, indicating the round was fired and could not eject. WHY WOULD THIS HAPPEN? (since I suspect you're a DU plant, I'll tell you) because someone was likely grabbing the slide (ie, struggling for the gun)... so no, he didnt "back down" when confronted by a guy w/ a pistol, he likely tried to take it.

IGF

cphilip
03-27-2012, 07:37
Second... every report I've saw on the gun, notes that the gun had a spent shell in the chamber, indicating the round was fired and could not eject. WHY WOULD THIS HAPPEN...

Well... it was a keltec... Or the slide was thrust or against the body of the recipient or somehow restricted movement of the slide by clothing etc. Not sure I have seen this in any report though. All I have seen is that they confirm that only one shot was fired.

bobandshawn
03-27-2012, 07:42
Are we ever going to see a current photo of the lumbering 6'2" football player - or just baby-faced photos from years ago?

:whistling:

~Bob

xXxplosive
03-27-2012, 07:45
Vicious Assault and Battery............as per witnesses.
What if that was one of your family members being beaten instead of Z.....think then it would have been alright to fire to defend yourself ?

Will not be placed under arrest...........