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TBO
03-28-2012, 09:46
New Orleans police officer Jason Giroir suspended for online comments about Trayvon Martin shooting

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57405177-504083/new-orleans-police-officer-jason-giroir-suspended-for-online-comments-about-trayvon-martin-shooting/


1st Amendment?

CAcop
03-28-2012, 09:52
You know better than that. Police officers don't have first amendment rights.

John Rambo
03-28-2012, 10:01
New Orleans police officer Jason Giroir suspended for online comments about Trayvon Martin shooting

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57405177-504083/new-orleans-police-officer-jason-giroir-suspended-for-online-comments-about-trayvon-martin-shooting/


1st Amendment?


How about, "Talk like an idiot, get the boot like an idiot."

It happens in the private sector, too. People just never learn.

TBO
03-28-2012, 10:03
How about, "Talk like an idiot, get the boot like an idiot."

It happens in the private sector, too. People just never learn.
The private sector isn't what the 1st Amendment is about.

Gundude
03-28-2012, 10:06
1st Amendment?

Nope, just employment contract:The NOPD's policy on the internet says no employee should post anything that is illegal, or anything that embarrasses, humiliates, discredits, or harms the operation and reputation of the police department.

John Rambo
03-28-2012, 10:06
The private sector isn't what the 1st Amendment is about.

Public sector employees don't get to say whatever they want and be protected from getting fired for their poor conduct by the 1st amendment. Thats not what the 1st amendment is about, either. Barring other things like unions or contracts, if your employer wants to fire you, they get to fire you. If thats because you were an idiot, then you deserve it.

Dragoon44
03-28-2012, 10:11
Public sector employees don't get to say whatever they want and be protected from getting fired for their poor conduct by the 1st amendment. Thats not what the 1st amendment is about, either. Barring other things like unions or contracts, if your employer wants to fire you, they get to fire you. If thats because you were an idiot, then you deserve it.

Not government employees since they work for the Govt. They must be afforded Due process before termination. The Govt.cannot just fire at will.

John Rambo
03-28-2012, 10:15
Not government employees since they work for the Govt. They must be afforded Due process before termination. The Govt.cannot just fire at will.

I don't support that. But its their employment contract, their call. I live in a right-to-work state and it works out pretty well for us.

Regardless, he hasn't been fired yet. Just suspended. Due process or not, don't run to the 1st amendment for cover when you open up with stupid **** that makes your employer look bad. You deserve to get a swift kick out the back door for that.

TBO
03-28-2012, 10:17
What is this "contract" that you speak of?

snerd
03-28-2012, 10:19
What is the ultimate irony? The Hutaree Militia just had their First Amendment right upheld after they expressed their hatred for LE. I know that's gotta sting a little.

ChuteTheMall
03-28-2012, 10:21
How many spokespersons does the NOPD have?

:okie:

Gundude
03-28-2012, 10:23
What is this "contract" that you speak of?The one that states that you abide by the policies of the department you work for as a condition of your employment.

Dragoon44
03-28-2012, 10:26
I don't support that. But its their employment contract, their call. I live in a right-to-work state and it works out pretty well for us.

umm no it is not first and foremost a matter of contract it is a matter of the Constitution. Unless the officer is on probationary status he has a property interest in his job and the Govt. cannot deprive him of it without due process.

Regardless, he hasn't been fired yet. Just suspended. Due process or not, don't run to the 1st amendment for cover when you open up with stupid **** that makes your employer look bad. You deserve to get a swift kick out the back door for that.

A lot will revolve around whether or not he identified himself as a police officer and identified his dept.. If he did both he is pretty much toast if the Dept. can sustain a claim that his statements caused a lack of public confidence in the Dept. and or caused irreparable breech of trust and the ability of him being able to work in the Dept.

*** Just read the link apparently he did identify himself as an employee of the NO PD.

John Rambo
03-28-2012, 10:32
umm no it is not first and foremost a matter of contract it is a matter of the Constitution. Unless the officer is on probationary status he has a property interest in his job and the Govt. cannot deprive him of it without due process.

Sounds like a crock of crap used to give the people who earn a living on my tax dollars yet more preferential treatment. The guy got disciplined at work and might get fired. The 1st amendment doesn't protect about that - I don't care who your employer is.



A lot will revolve around whether or not he identified himself as a police officer and identified his dept.. If he did both he is pretty much toast if the Dept. can sustain a claim that his statements caused a lack of public confidence in the Dept. and or caused irreparable breech of trust and the ability of him being able to work in the Dept.

*** Just read the link apparently he did identify himself as an employee of the NO PD.

Yep, hes toast.

Gundude
03-28-2012, 10:40
A lot will revolve around whether or not he identified himself as a police officer and identified his dept.. If he did both he is pretty much toast if the Dept. can sustain a claim that his statements caused a lack of public confidence in the Dept. and or caused irreparable breech of trust and the ability of him being able to work in the Dept.

*** Just read the link apparently he did identify himself as an employee of the NO PD.I think a public demonstration of an officer going out of his way to denigrate a dead black kid without knowing any of the facts is pretty likely to cause both a lack of public confidence and an irreparable breech of trust.

EmbryRiddle
03-28-2012, 13:49
I think a public demonstration of an officer going out of his way to denigrate a dead black kid without knowing any of the facts is pretty likely to cause both a lack of public confidence and an irreparable breech of trust.

now they will probably go back to see if he had any OIS involving black teens.....

people in certain career fields need to stay off of social networks if they don't know how to use common sense

itstime
03-28-2012, 13:57
now they will probably go back to see if he had any OIS involving black teens.....

people in certain career fields need to stay off of social networks if they don't know how to use common sense

Bat me to it. Just had An employee terminated because of Facebook. Common sense needs to be applied.

Sporaticus
03-28-2012, 14:54
Hopefully the union will get him back on with back pay. Do any of the LEO here actually think this will stick?


You cannot argue with the sentiment though. (what he posted online)

ericridebike
03-28-2012, 15:06
Just another example of why you need to delete details of your employment from your Facebook.

QNman
03-28-2012, 16:27
New Orleans police officer Jason Giroir suspended for online comments about Trayvon Martin shooting

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57405177-504083/new-orleans-police-officer-jason-giroir-suspended-for-online-comments-about-trayvon-martin-shooting/


1st Amendment?


The first entitles you to express yourself without legal repercussions. It does not protect you from being reprimanded by your employer when you post who you work for.

Dragoon44
03-28-2012, 16:31
The first entitles you to express yourself without legal repercussions. It does not protect you from being reprimanded by your employer when you post who you USED TO work for.

The alteration probably reflects the outcome of this incident.

:wavey:

QNman
03-28-2012, 16:37
The alteration probably reflects the outcome of this incident.

:wavey:

:rofl:

Indeed!

GRIMLET
03-28-2012, 16:49
An issue on his employment may be that he was involved in a shooting with a couple of young black men a few weeks ago. The local news also claims he had a report of assault in the past few years.

He should have had a warm glass of shut up before posting on a news website identifying himself.

Gunnut 45/454
03-28-2012, 17:32
Yep he was dumb enough to ID himself as LEO. As to what he said I find nothing wrong with it! I guess the truth hurts. Live the thug life usually finds you on the wrong end of a gun. Via another thug or a armed citizen that will not take your lawlessness laying down. Lifes about choices and they always have consequenses!:supergrin:

Kingarthurhk
03-28-2012, 18:29
How about, "Talk like an idiot, get the boot like an idiot."

It happens in the private sector, too. People just never learn.

First Amendment lawsuits are expensive for the foolish people that do that. The Bill of Rights doesn't end when you accept employment. You are a worker, not a slave.

John Rambo
03-29-2012, 06:40
First Amendment lawsuits are expensive for the foolish people that do that. The Bill of Rights doesn't end when you accept employment. You are a worker, not a slave.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"


How does this have ANYTHING to do with getting fired for running your yap?