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jeremy_283
03-29-2012, 08:15
A buddy of mine is looking for a 9mm. He doesn't have a lot of cash to drop on a pistol so he's looking for the most affordable yet reliable 9mm. I was thinking Kel-Tec PF-9. I think it's awesome cause it's one of the smallest 9mm available. Any other opinions?
http://media.gunup.s3.amazonaws.com/handgun_images/images/PF9/PF9_1.jpg

took
03-29-2012, 08:17
I have one with a couple thousand rounds through it!!! I love it AMD depend on it when I need to be discrete

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mingaa
03-29-2012, 08:23
For carry - yes. A full size gun for range or SD (CAN be carried but bulky) look at a Ruger P95. They will be close to $300 and are great guns for the money. The LC9 is wortha look for a pocket 9 IMHO.

bac1023
03-29-2012, 08:23
Is he looking for a carry gun?

If my budget was under $350 for a 9mm, I'd go with a used gun for sure.

jeremy_283
03-29-2012, 08:24
Is he looking for a carry gun?

If my budget was under $350 for a 9mm, I'd go with a used gun for sure.

He's interested in CCW courses but he also just likes to shoot. He has no other pistol to my knowledge.

LoadToadBoss
03-29-2012, 08:33
I have the PF-9. It is a fine gun. I have 1,000+ rounds through mine. A couple issues to be aware of:
1. They have a long hard 9 lb trigger pull that takes time to master.
2. They can be ammo sensitive. Mine does not like 147 gr ammo.
3. Kel Tel says avoid +P ammo. Only standard pressure.
4. They have a snappy recoil; definitely not meant as a range gun.

mingaa
03-29-2012, 08:43
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/index.html good site to troll for used Sigs and Glocks - deals on nice LEO trade ins.

TSAX
03-29-2012, 08:55
Is he looking for a carry gun?

If my budget was under $350 for a 9mm, I'd go with a used gun for sure.

:agree:, I have seen some good deals of Glock 17 and Glock 22 police trade ins for $349








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easyg
03-29-2012, 09:10
For carry - yes. A full size gun for range or SD (CAN be carried but bulky) look at a Ruger P95. They will be close to $300 and are great guns for the money. The LC9 is wortha look for a pocket 9 IMHO.
I agree 100%

MrVvrroomm
03-29-2012, 09:12
...a used Glock

DeputyAlex
03-29-2012, 10:05
Ruger P94 you can find them used for around $300-$350. They are very ugly but they are very reliable

bsg1
03-29-2012, 10:31
if he wants a new handgun... he'd be smart to consider the Pro Series offering from Sig.

i'd suggest he consider used, as well as new... to open up the playing field of choices.

Dave.1
03-29-2012, 10:45
If he doesn't mind a used pistol have him check out 3rd Generation S&Ws. You can often find them in local shops. For carry I'd recommend a 6906 or 3913.

I paid $375 for my 3913 but you can find a 6906 (double stack) for less in CDNNs catalog.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/

Dave

m2hmghb
03-29-2012, 10:57
Check out summit gun broker, he has some 639s for under 365. A sig P6 should be around that price as well, it's only a single stack but it's a good pistol. In order of preference for me, Sig(used), glock(used), S&W(used), Beretta(used).

Haldor
03-29-2012, 11:28
The PF9 is the best concealed carry 9mm in that price range. Be aware that the PF9 (like any lightweight, compact pistol) is unforgiving of poor shooting technique. If you limp wrist it, it will have feeding and ejecting failures. I have seen this first hand with my pistol in the hands of novice shooters. I once let a couple of interested shooters try mine at the range and two of the 3 had FTF jams on their first shots. The 3rd shooter was more experienced and he had no problem. I have about 1000 rounds through my PF9 with zero malfunctions.

You can also get police trade-in Glocks for around that price.

If you are looking for a full sized pistol I would also look at the Ruger P series pistols. They are underrated (and consequently under-priced) pistols.

Haldor
03-29-2012, 11:39
I have the PF-9. It is a fine gun. I have 1,000+ rounds through mine. A couple issues to be aware of:
1. They have a long hard 9 lb trigger pull that takes time to master.
2. They can be ammo sensitive. Mine does not like 147 gr ammo.
3. Kel Tel says avoid +P ammo. Only standard pressure.
4. They have a snappy recoil; definitely not meant as a range gun.

Disagree with point one. The trigger pull is long, but is not excessively hard. Perhaps you are thinking of the Keltec P11 which does have a hard pull?

The FP9 recoil is definitively stout. It is hard to image how it couldn't be considering that the PF9 only weighs 12.7 oz empty (the LC9 by comparison weighs 17.1 oz). One thing that I found helped a lot was to clean up the mold lines with an exacto knife. Any trace of the parting line becomes quite unpleasant during recoil.

I run standard pressure 115g FMJ practice ammo and 124g Federal HST through mine and it operates flawlessly on both. The 9mm was optimized for a 124g bullet and the only reason I can see for 147g loads in 9mm is if you are running a suppressor and need a subsonic load.

Bilbo Bagins
03-29-2012, 11:53
It depends what you friend wants. If he wants a 9mm for concealed carry there are tons of options. especially if he bumps his price up $50 or so bump

KT PF9 = $280

KT P11 = $270

Ruger LC9 = $350

Kahr CW9 = $380

Kahr CM9 = $410

Full sized service pistols

Ruger P95 $300 to $350 (blued or stainless)

Ruger SR9 = $420

S&W 9VE or whateve the sigma is called these days = $340

And there are other like the Bersa thunder 9 but I don't know the price, but I gather its near $350.

Here is the thing. I have a Kel Tec Pf9 and for carry its OK , but for home defense and range use I wouldn't do it. Recoil sucks, its not a long term heavy use gun, and it has issues. Its for someone how is already a "gun person" , and not the best choice for a first time gun buyer.

For carry I would take a hard look at the Kahr CM9, because its a much better carry gun then the Kel tec and very worth the money.

If you want something a tad bigger , that can do both home defence and carry work, look at the CW9 and maybe the ruger SR9 compact.

Pure home defense hard use workhorse gun, get the P95. Its a frickin' tank, but the grip is chunky. If you don't like that look at the SR9 or the S&W

KarlThomas
03-29-2012, 12:05
You know what's more expensive than a quality gun?
Buying a cheap gun, selling it to the gun shop for pennies on the dollar, and then buying a quality gun. That was the lesson I learned when I bought a SW Sigma 9mm as my first gun. (some may like the Sigma, but the trigger pull on mine was like 12lbs.) Always make sure you're buying a quality product that serves your needs.

That said, if he wants a range gun that he can shoot a lot and can double as a home defense gun, the Ruger P95 is the way to go. If he doesn't want to go with that, I would advise him to seriously consider upping his price limit by a couple hundred, or buying something used.

The PF9 is pretty far away from being a range gun.

1gewehr
03-29-2012, 12:07
Other choices might be:
Norinco 213 (copy of Tokarev)
Star BM, BKM, or BKS (if you see a BKS for under $350, snag it!)
Helwan (Copy of Beretta 951)
Walther P1 (might get lucky and find one under $350)
S&W M59, 439, 459 are sometimes seen in that price range

Haldor
03-29-2012, 12:34
It depends what you friend wants. If he wants a 9mm for concealed carry there are tons of options. especially if he bumps his price up $50 or so bump

KT PF9 = $280

KT P11 = $270

Ruger LC9 = $350

Kahr CW9 = $380

Kahr CM9 = $410

Full sized service pistols

Ruger P95 $300 to $350 (blued or stainless)

Ruger SR9 = $420

S&W 9VE or whateve the sigma is called these days = $340

And there are other like the Bersa thunder 9 but I don't know the price, but I gather its near $350.

Here is the thing. I have a Kel Tec Pf9 and for carry its OK , but for home defense and range use I wouldn't do it. Recoil sucks, its not a long term heavy use gun, and it has issues. Its for someone how is already a "gun person" , and not the best choice for a first time gun buyer.

For carry I would take a hard look at the Kahr CM9, because its a much better carry gun then the Kel tec and very worth the money.

If you want something a tad bigger , that can do both home defence and carry work, look at the CW9 and maybe the ruger SR9 compact.

Pure home defense hard use workhorse gun, get the P95. Its a frickin' tank, but the grip is chunky. If you don't like that look at the SR9 or the S&W

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I agree, my PF9 is not a range gun. It is a CCW carry piece pure and simple and it is not a good beginner's pistol. If you want an inexpensive, foolproof pistol for both CCW and the range it is hard to beat a Glock (my G26 is on the never sell list).

I didn't realize the Kahr CW9 was so reasonably priced. I am having to take a look at that (like I need another 9mm pistol).

Spiffums
03-29-2012, 12:46
If he wants a KelTec better get em quick before they ban all those "Saturday Night Special Baby Killers"!!!

TN.Frank
03-29-2012, 12:57
Another vote for the Ruger KP-95(stainless version) for a great full size 9x19mm that won't break the bank. Had one and kept it probably longer then most any other gun I've had and that's saying a lot.

bac1023
03-29-2012, 13:00
Other choices might be:
Norinco 213 (copy of Tokarev)
Star BM, BKM, or BKS (if you see a BKS for under $350, snag it!)
Helwan (Copy of Beretta 951)
Walther P1 (might get lucky and find one under $350)
S&W M59, 439, 459 are sometimes seen in that price range

I wouldn't put the Helwan in that mix. They don't have a good track record.

snewsoG22
03-29-2012, 14:27
I hear mostly good things about the S&W S9VE Sigma. The trigger supposedly sucks out of the box but can be easily bettered and it should be in the price range.

Bilbo Bagins
03-29-2012, 14:29
:goodpost:

I agree, my PF9 is not a range gun. It is a CCW carry piece pure and simple and it is not a good beginner's pistol. If you want an inexpensive, foolproof pistol for both CCW and the range it is hard to beat a Glock (my G26 is on the never sell list).

I didn't realize the Kahr CW9 was so reasonably priced. I am having to take a look at that (like I need another 9mm pistol).

I love my glocks too, but I was poor once and dropping $550 for a new glock is kind of rough. Everyone says buy used, but honestly I have never found a glock that was in decent shape for a reasonable price, unless it was part of a police trade in.

The Kahr are nice pistols. Its funny because most of them are insanely priced, but the CW and CM models are real reasonable.

It came up on another thread. the CW45 is even cheaper than the CW9, and the CW45 is basically the same size and capacity as a Glock 36. If have been debating if I want a single stack .45acp for concealed carry, I might be more tempted look at the $360 Kahr CW45 before I look at the Glock 36.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-29-2012, 14:30
Police trade in Glock would be my choice.

TSAX
03-29-2012, 14:35
Is that $350 including taxes and fees. If thats the case then you are into the $300 range and that gets more difficult.







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TSAX
03-29-2012, 14:39
If its under $350 total and you want 16 rounds then this might be an option although it isnt the greatest gun in the world.



https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13283




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mj9mm
03-29-2012, 14:40
if i can't find a glock in that price range, my Taurus PT111 has been a very reliable gun,13 rounds, a very good trigger small enough to conceal easily. no issues in 3 years and thousands of rounds through it.

12131
03-29-2012, 14:46
The Ruger P95 would be a great pistol for truck/car/home defense. But for carry, a potential disaster could be waiting for you. This is due to the way the mag release is designed. It's a push forward release and is very easily dropping the mag. When drawing from concealment, it can get snagged on your clothing, releasing and dropping the mag, and you're dead. Just FYI.

fowler
03-29-2012, 17:06
The best bang for your buck in a well made 9mm is the Sig2022 for $400-450. These are good pistols in use with Military and L.E ,even the U.S. Tank command. The test pistols used in in military test ran up to 460,000 rounds and still worked in contract tests.The frame is polymere just like most modern pistols today. The hard stainless rails are what the onepiece stainless Nitron coated slide ride on. They are super accurate and reliable. A best buy.

Apetrulis01
03-29-2012, 17:11
Sig P6. Great gun and the size of a Glock 19.

bac1023
03-29-2012, 18:01
The S&W Sigma is also a good option.

Mine has been great.

Bruce M
03-29-2012, 18:15
As said for the price point a used pistol may well be the best choice. I don't think the PF9 would be especially enjoyable for regular range use; one of the larger choices would probably be more fun. Without a specific choice, probably whatever could be found for the lowest price among the recommended guns.

Warp
03-29-2012, 18:49
Makarov or step up and buy a used and better gun, like a used Glock, XD, M&P, etc.

DaBurna
03-29-2012, 18:54
If its under $350 total and you want 16 rounds then this might be an option although it isnt the greatest gun in the world.



https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13283




https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/13/13283.jpg
















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Keep your eyes peeled... I bought a LNIB SW9VE (Allied Forces "Black Melonite") for $199.00!! The only thing was they had 2-10 round mags... I bought 2 16 rounders for about $60 so over all I've only got about $270 invested in it!! I did the trigger job to lighten the pull to 7lbs.... And it's RELIABLE!! :supergrin:

427
03-29-2012, 18:58
5906 $275
http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000277&dir=700|1012|1026

majette
03-29-2012, 19:42
i suggest putting that 350.00 down on a new gun or a quality used gun via layaway. even can be done on budsgunshop.com, then add money over the 60-90 days and end up with a quality gun. the minimum pistol i recommend for a new shooter is a glock 19.

buying what you can afford does not have to mean what you can afford right now.

sigman69
03-29-2012, 20:25
All I can say is listen to Bilbo Bagins said..I totally agree. You might look at the new Bersa BP9...it is supposed to be a real nice gun also.

Folsom_Prison
03-29-2012, 22:11
My vote would be for the P95, great gun!

Gdirty5
03-29-2012, 22:36
I've had a few in this range, ruger p95, keltec pf9, used sig 239 (think I bought it for 350), 2nd gen glock's. For a little more than the pf-9 you can get the kahr CM9 (375). And I've seen CW series kahr's go for in the low 300's all day used... I think I've also seen the sig p250's run in the mid 300 dollar range. They aren't the best sigs, but their DA pull is smooth and clean like a revolver.

M1a65
03-29-2012, 23:49
I think you've gotten a few good pistols from the above list to choose from. Rent a few if your range does that and see what feels right for you. Wish I did before buying the Kel Tec P11 (long long heavy trigger pull) thou they say the PF9 has a lighter, smoother pull. I also own a Ruger P95 that I bought used for $250. After polishing the feed ramp it feeds anything I throw at it and is a pleasure to shoot and carry (when I don't have my G30 on me...). Good luck and let us know how you make out

WarEagle32
03-30-2012, 01:20
Used Glock for sure. Summitgunbroker.com has great deals sometimes. Other than that I'd for sure go Ruger P95, excellent gun for the money!! I wouldn't even consider a Kel tec PF9 I've owned 2 of them and they aren't in the same universe as the other two I recomended!!

MinnesnowtaWild
03-30-2012, 01:36
Fork out a little more and get an SR9c from Ruger. They are the best all around gun in the $400 price range. I just sold mine used for $375. They are so easy and enjoyable to shoot at the range...you can shoot it all day long. Plus they are compact enough to be able to carry if needed or wanted. Slap a light on it for home defense and pop in the 17 round mag with sleeve that comes with.

Great all around gun with a great trigger, plus it has the safety features that might be desirable for a new shooter and someone new to concealed carry. WELL worth the $50 more than the price of a Sigma.

KK40384
03-30-2012, 07:25
CDNN has the Sig P250 for around $340 or look for a LEO trade in Glock


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mingaa
03-30-2012, 07:41
Check out summit gun broker, he has some 639s for under 365. A sig P6 should be around that price as well, it's only a single stack but it's a good pistol. In order of preference for me, Sig(used), glock(used), S&W(used), Beretta(used).

FYI the 639 is a S&W - open the drop down list and look at the last one. Mark has a constantly rotating inventory of all of the above and more. It's a great site to keep an eye on and he's 100% good guy in my experience.

If your friend opens his search to 9mm and 40cal. He'll have many more options available to him.

Creatism
03-30-2012, 10:09
The pf9 while a great gun, is not the easiest shooter, my g36 is a dream by comparison, and the 36 is not an easy gun to shoot. Now I got my pf9 for 210 and it's been flawless. It will completely give you a new respect for the 9mm! I've seen good used xd 9 for 350-400 and would recommend one if those over a pf9.


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bxny10455
03-30-2012, 10:24
I have a cm9 which can be found between $350- $380. The CW9 is another option:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/18442


"Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy"- Alexander Hamilton

arclight610
03-30-2012, 10:35
CZ82

It's cheap ($209+s/h/transfer). It uses 9mm mak, which is just as cheap as 9x19 if you order it online. It's comfortable enough to be shot as a range again due, but small enough that it could be pressed into CCW role. Reliable and has a chrome-lined hammer forged barrel. I'm thinking about picking one up as a "stash" gun.

SGT278ACR
03-30-2012, 11:09
I hear mostly good things about the S&W S9VE Sigma. The trigger supposedly sucks out of the box but can be easily bettered and it should be in the price range.

I agree. The trigger does suck but can be modified and I've been seeing them go for as low as $299 new.

cowboywannabe
03-30-2012, 12:09
i had no idea i could get a Kahr pm9 type Kahr for $380.00!!!

that said, in my area, for ccw the PF9 is under $300.00 everyday. for range, house or cooler climate ccw the Sigma can be had for under $350.00 as well.

L Pete
03-30-2012, 14:39
Ruger P-95. The gun for the money.They're a little big for CCW, but will last many lifetimes.

Like Tony the Tiger says, "They're Great".

Just_plinking
03-30-2012, 17:12
I found a local shop that advertised a new cm9 for $375. When I called about it they said a guy had just walked out with it. I checked their website a couple days later and the price had gone up, I don't remember to what. I ended up getting a gen 4 g19. Never wanted a glock 'till I held one. I'm glad it worked out that way. I'm still planning on getting a sub-compact in the future though.

bxny10455
03-30-2012, 17:49
i had no idea i could get a Kahr pm9 type Kahr for $380.00!!!

that said, in my area, for ccw the PF9 is under $300.00 everyday. for range, house or cooler climate ccw the Sigma can be had for under $350.00 as well.

CM9 not PM9.
PM9 are almost $200 more.


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fowler
03-30-2012, 18:02
Best nine mm under $450 is The Military Grade Sig Sauer SO2022 15 shot 9mm. These are class well made auto,s with near 3/4 million in service worldwide in Military ,Goverment,U.S Tank Command,LE, The French contract was 300,000+ alone. They have the Mil-spec 1913 rail,one piece stainless slide from barstock and ionbond Nitron finish,decocker,da/sa or can be converted to DA only. These are built to last 400,000 plus rounds.

KiltedSoule
03-30-2012, 18:52
if he wants a new handgun... he'd be smart to consider the Pro Series offering from Sig.

i'd suggest he consider used, as well as new... to open up the playing field of choices.
^ This is my recommendation as well

arclight610
03-30-2012, 19:04
Best nine mm under $450 is The Military Grade Sig Sauer SO2022 15 shot 9mm. These are class well made auto,s with near 3/4 million in service worldwide in Military ,Goverment,U.S Tank Command,LE, The French contract was 300,000+ alone. They have the Mil-spec 1913 rail,one piece stainless slide from barstock and ionbond Nitron finish,decocker,da/sa or can be converted to DA only. These are built to last 400,000 plus rounds.

I can second this. Mine has been great. Very reliable, and scary accurate for a production pistol.

hsprincipal
03-30-2012, 20:35
KAHR CW9. Nicely built and affordable.

.45Super-Man
03-30-2012, 21:38
No question, the Zastava EZ9 wins. It was originally the CZ99 and has been imported under several names. CDNN still has them for 299, however...KVAR just became the new importer and their prices are higher. Even at KVAR's pricing, it's worth every penny.

mingaa
03-30-2012, 21:44
KAHR CW9. Nicely built and affordable.

My top EDC IWB by far. Job dictates very discreet carry. 3.5" barrel is better than pocket guns AND as a single stack I can almost make it disappear on my large frame bod.

hsprincipal
03-30-2012, 22:13
The SP2022 is a good choice as well.

MinnesnowtaWild
03-31-2012, 01:22
Starting to wish I would have waited to find a SP2022 instead of my FNP-40...

TSAX
03-31-2012, 02:20
The SP2022 is a good choice as well.

These guns are a steal at $399







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bac1023
03-31-2012, 05:40
The SP2022 is a good choice as well.

Awesome pistols indeed :cool:

bac1023
03-31-2012, 05:41
These guns are a steal at $399







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fowler
03-31-2012, 13:42
DEA and SWiss Police bought some Sig SP2022 too. Fine 9mm pistol which can be had for 399.99 right now for awhile.

bac1023
03-31-2012, 14:53
DEA and SWiss Police bought some Sig SP2022 too. Fine 9mm pistol which can be had for 399.99 right now for awhile.

Yeah, $400 is a bargain for an SP2022.

Haldor
03-31-2012, 17:59
Yeah, $400 is a bargain for an SP2022.

I wonder how much the SP2022 Nitron TB is going for?

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/2022-NitronTB-detail-Hero.jpg

bac1023
03-31-2012, 18:49
I wonder how much the SP2022 Nitron TB is going for?

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/2022-NitronTB-detail-Hero.jpg

Not sure

I haven't seen any for sale.

45caldan
04-01-2012, 06:02
Even though I am not a fan of DA/SA pistols, I have to agree the Sig Pro is a good value. The Sig P6 is another as well.
The Ruger P95 is ok but I'd go Sig....

bac1023
04-01-2012, 06:56
Even though I am not a fan of DA/SA pistols, I have to agree the Sig Pro is a good value. The Sig P6 is another as well.
The Ruger P95 is ok but I'd go Sig....

I definitely want a P226/P6 at some point.

I can't believe I don't own one yet.

Bob Hafler
04-01-2012, 07:13
For $350 I say search the local Gun shops for a good used pistol. That is not to bad mouth the PF9 in any way. There are quite a few good used pistols out there to be had for some decent money. Some may have a little cosmetic damage but that really has nothing to do with how many rounds have been put through tthe pistol. I'm sure that if you ask the GS they'll let you strip the gun down or they will and you'll be able to have some indication on how much the gun has been shot and how it was maintained.
If there not willing to strip the gun down so you can see the inside of the pistol then take a walk. What I've seen lately is that many people are short on cash in this economy and trade some of there least favorite pistols in. It's a situation that is not so good for them, but can be a blessing for a guy looking for a good gun but has limited funds to spend. I personally picked up a Glock G26 (see avatar)for $350 that has had very few rounds ( Like Ten) put through it buy a friend who bought it new in 09 put it in the safe and never shot it again. He wanted to make room in his safe for some new CZ's he bought. So I got the G26 and another friend bought the G17 along with a 22 cal conversion kit he had for it. This sort of thing is not as unusual as you might think as many people buy guns that they do not do there homework on before they buy them, only to find later on it's not the gun they thought it was. There are some very good deals to be had if your patient and not in a hurry. I have also bought a slightly used Kahr PM9 that has been flawless.

rvanpelt
04-01-2012, 10:16
I love my glocks too, but I was poor once and dropping $550 for a new glock is kind of rough. Everyone says buy used, but honestly I have never found a glock that was in decent shape for a reasonable price, unless it was part of a police trade in.

The Kahr are nice pistols. Its funny because most of them are insanely priced, but the CW and CM models are real reasonable.

It came up on another thread. the CW45 is even cheaper than the CW9, and the CW45 is basically the same size and capacity as a Glock 36. If have been debating if I want a single stack .45acp for concealed carry, I might be more tempted look at the $360 Kahr CW45 before I look at the Glock 36.
I have both the Glock 36 and the Kahr CW9. Here are some pics to show the comparison of the two guns.
As you can see the Glock is longer thicker and heavier. I paid 389 out the door at Cabelas for the CW9. They both have their selling points. I do have an 8 rd. mag for the CW9.
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/vanpeltrk/20120401100329.jpg
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/vanpeltrk/20120401100231.jpg
:cool:Thanks,
Rod

fowler
04-01-2012, 13:32
With a few practice shots at a empty milk jug at 50yds off hand the SP2022 9mm was hitting two out of three times. Very impressive indeed.

cowboywannabe
04-01-2012, 13:36
damn i wish i could trade my LC9 with extra mag and some cash for a CW9 or CM9.....

i like the kahr design. like a glock, simple with no gizmos. the LC9 is build for those who like a thumb safety and magazine disconnector.

tacops5372
04-01-2012, 14:58
I picked up a taurus 9mm millennium pro on trade. I thought i would just trade it out some day? I took it to the range and put 3boxes of ammo. No issues or complaints whatsoever... I have since added her to my rotation of everyday carry guns.. I think they retail at like 350 or less. Magazine capacity is 12 rd. Very easy to conceal. But as far as range gun goes? Well I go by the old saying "Practice with what you carry."

Bob Hafler
04-01-2012, 16:32
damn i wish i could trade my LC9 with extra mag and some cash for a CW9 or CM9.....

i like the kahr design. like a glock, simple with no gizmos. the LC9 is build for those who like a thumb safety and magazine disconnector.

When I was looking for a single stack 9mm I looked at quite a few brands but by far the Kahr PM9 seemed to work the best for me. The CW 9 is just a little less inexpensive model of the PM9. I've never regretted buying the Kahr pistol. It's my EDC.

hsprincipal
04-01-2012, 18:28
After buying and shooting all three. I think the Sig 2022, CW9, and CW45 would be on the top of my list for quality, reliability, and affordability. The $350 price point is a tough one to come up with lots of offerings IMO. But for another $10-$50 dollars I think you can have a very good handgun. Check out Buds before you buy. I have been unable to find anyone in KY that can beat their prices. I did find a special one week sale on the CW45 and CW9 for $329 at Sportsmans Warehouse. I ended up buying them both. Why not at that price? Good luck in your search.

stopatrain
04-01-2012, 19:12
I would save up for the SP2022 if I wanted cheap and good.

series1811
04-02-2012, 07:58
Yeah, $400 is a bargain for an SP2022.

I keep thinking this is the best firearms bargain in quite a while. I wonder how long they will stay that cheap.

JTSmith
04-02-2012, 08:22
When I was looking for a single stack 9mm I looked at quite a few brands but by far the Kahr PM9 seemed to work the best for me. The CW 9 is just a little less inexpensive model of the PM9. I've never regretted buying the Kahr pistol. It's my EDC.

The CM9 is the cheaper version of the PM9, not the CW9. The PM/CM's are the smallest of the Kahrs. That being said, I purchased my CM9 a few months ago for $350 from CTD. It has been great so far and would definitely see a lot more carry action if I didn't have a new 36:)

Bob Hafler
04-02-2012, 09:34
The CM9 is the cheaper version of the PM9, not the CW9. The PM/CM's are the smallest of the Kahrs. That being said, I purchased my CM9 a few months ago for $350 from CTD. It has been great so far and would definitely see a lot more carry action if I didn't have a new 36:)

I knew that,:embarassed: Typeo or Brain fart not sure which one.

fowler
04-02-2012, 10:33
The SP 2022 SIG Sauer Slide rides on hard stainless steel rails front and back with a solid one piece Stainless slide coated with IONBOND Nitron finish same as Glocks with there hard rails and Tenifer coating. This is where the 400,000 plus round life comes from in Sig,s 2022 and Glock models Not polymere rails as the Ruger P95 has and others with alloy rails. Kahrs service life less than 10,000 in the sub compacts.

usmc2537gunny
04-02-2012, 10:48
I just took a young lady to the range that had a NIB PF-9 that didn't perform well at all. Out of 100 rounds she had 23 lite primer hits. She called Kel-Tec who told her to remove the slide and send that portion of the gun back. They told her it will be a two week turn around. I was actually looking to buy one for my wife, but now I'm a bit hesitant.